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User:	"Laurent"
Date:	30 Jan 2006 10:09:24 PM
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"The Schrodinger wave does not act like, for example, a water wave on a
floating object to push the particle mechanically with a force proportional
to its intensity. Rather, a better analogy would be to a ship on automatic
pilot guided by radar waves. The ship with its automatic pilot is a
self-active system, but the form of its activity is determined by the
information content concerning its environment carried by the radar waves.
This latter is independent of the intensity of these waves (as long as they
can be received by the equipment available) but depends only on their form,
which in turn reflects the form of the environment.
To achieve this, however, we had to bring in the notion that the Schrodinger
wave does not act mechanically on the particle, but rather, that the
particle, as a self-active system, responds to something analogous to
information about its entire context that is contained in the Schrodinger
wave. This gives us some insight into the wholeness that is, as we have
seen, essential to Bohr's view. For now, it is clear that we cannot always
isolate the electron from distant features of its relevant environment, if
we want to understand the details of how it moves even in what would
otherwise be free space. But even more important for our purposes here is
that by developing an intuitive model for how something analogous to
information comes in at the most fundamental level of physics known to us,
we are beginning to get a feeling for how mind and matter may ultimately not
be nearly so different as they may seem to be at first sight.
One may quite generally see the essential relationship of information and
its meaning with the aid of the notion of energy. That is to say,
information is a form which literally "informs" (i.e., forms from within) an
"unformed" energy to give rise to a corresponding determinate activity.
Consider, for example, a radio wave, on which information is carried as a
form. This wave has a certain small energy, but it is not the energy of the
wave that comes out of the loud speaker. Rather, the form of the radio wave
is impressed, through a vacuum tube or a transistor, on the (relatively)
unformed electrical energy acting in the radio. Similarly, the form in the
state of the silicon chips enters into the energy in the computer, to give
shape to a corresponding activity. Likewise, in our subjective experience,
when we see a printed page, for example, the form of the letters gives rise
in our nervous and physical energy to a whole set of virtual activites
(e.g., in the imagination), some of which may be further actualized
according to context and circumstance.
If we now return to the causal interpretation of the quantum theory, it is
clear that the "dance" of the electrons may similarly be regarded as the
objective meaning of the information content in the "score" of the wave
function. As in the previous examples, the wavefunction contains information
implying a vast range of potential or virtual activities. In this case,
these will be actualized by entering into the energy of the self-active
particles, in ways that depend on the initial configuration of the whole
system. The notion of participation, guided by a common "pool" of
information and its meaning, is thus given an objective significance. In
this way, we see that, even at the most fundamental levels of physical law
known at present, the mechanical notion of an interactive universe is seen
to be inadequate. It is in need of replacement by the notion of an
objectively participative universe that includes our own participation as a
special case." --- David Bohm
.

User: ""
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	31 Jan 2006 01:30:27 AM

What I propose re your very interesting disssertation is that the
particle does not follow the the Schrodinger waves -- but rather the
waves are a mathematical description of the self determining motion of
the particle.
If you are interested in a paper called "On the Quantum as a Physical
Entity" which is a model for quantum mechanics, go to
http://www.wbabin.net/ -- and then go to List of Authors and click on
Vertner Vergon
.

User: "Laurent"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	31 Jan 2006 04:05:18 PM

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The waves are a mathematical description of the self determining motion of
the wave/particle system. :)
At subatomic levels, I think we are confusing wave generating vibration with
spin.
State wave packet collapse does not happen to objects only once, after
objective state reduction occurs an object doesn't just continues to float
in space without any more stress-energy expectation values to be reset,
following every new position in a spacetime geometry. Objects exist as solid
3D things only at the 'now' moment.
Take a look at the picture in this page.
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/mass.html
What are those ripples made of?
They are ZPR, 10^-33cm sized particles which are continuously condensed by
matter waves into forming bigger particles.
How many times smaller a ZPR particle is at 10^-33cm diameter compared to
electrons or protons at 2.82 x 10^-15m diameter? How many times is that
smaller than a proton?
The de Broglie's wavelength is in reality the space between the ripples you
see in that Laue Diffraction pattern.
http://www.spaceandmotion.com/albert-einstein-quantum-physics.htm
Quantum particles are always both, particle and wave at the same time.
Objective reality is a continuous self-maintained thermodynamically open
process developing in a sea of discontinuities (CMBR, ZPF...). Atoms are
open thermodynamical systems, there is always energy/information/space being
exchanged between matter and the environment in which it exists.
Right now there is EMR and matter waves between you and everything around
you, flowing towards you and every object around you. EMR 'bounces' off,
picking and transmitting information regarding each object's objective
state, while matter waves flow inwardly, towards each object, bringing
information about the metric in which particles exists, as objects
continuously crystallize into spacetime.
Space is full of energy in complete and utter disorder... and fields are
simply ordered space. Order or information is what makes particles into
solids. As a particle moves through space it doesn't displace space, it
ordinates it. This means that what is really moving through space is an
organizing process, matter as active information trying to maintain the
relation of its structural parts.
Reality is like a wave propagating in water... the form moves carrying
information as water molecules are left behind. As a particle moves, it is
the information that constitutes its material body which is really moving,
the underlying medium (CMBR) stays unchanged. The particle is more like a
pattern of motion rather than a solid, permanent, and space independent
thing.
Picture the rings that form and spread outwards after you throw a rock in
the water, now hit reverse and picture the rings moving inwards, towards the
rock. The rock (particle) represents actuality and the inwardly flowing
waves bring information about the past. It's a concentric wave that is
constantly feeding the particle information about its inertial frame and
environment, as it develops a trajectory according with its relationship to
the surrounding space.
A particle maintains its shape and internal structure, as it moves through
space, by keeping intact the geometric and energetic relationships that
exist between its parts and the environment. As process moves forward,
particles in spacetime must continuously reset their geometrical structure,
therefore they need to continuously process all kinds of information in
order to continue their existence. They are, in fact, information... active
information. There is no ordered information contained in hyperspace, just
randomly fluctuating quanta, which is ordered as particle/wave systems move
through it.
Quantum matter (dark matter or ZPR) is carried by matter selective, inwardly
flowing photons, in an electrical current, just like electrons are moved by
electromotive forces.
Timothy Boyer described the ZPR as fundamental to space, and thermal
radiation as a product generated by the motion of ZPR particles, which in
turn were buffeted back into motion by this thermal radiation which they
themselves had produced, providing the basis for a perpetual motion system,
and solving the riddle of infinite energies coming from space. [See Puthoff,
Haisch and Rueda's papers]
Space is made from two types of particles, one which resists compression, or
exhibits negative-gravitation (thermal radiation, light), and the other
which is infinitely compressible and exhibits positive-gravitation
(zero-point radiation, dark matter).
According to Timothy Boyer, the CMBR (space) is constituted by al least two
different spectrums, EMR and ZPR, one is noisy and expanding, while the
other is condensable by matter waves. One exhibits negative gravitation, the
other, positive gravitation. From one, space is created, from the other,
matter is created. Matter waves are constantly flowing inwards into matter,
while heat and light flow away and into matter at the same time. There is a
continuos condensation and expansion of the substrate (CMBR) taking place.
We need two separate matter states, two types of motion with opposite
directions, one deterministic and the other inderterministic, objective and
subjective, matter and quantum matter. Particle-wave systems in a continuos
exchange of information between matter and space, an eternal quest for
self-consistency. Order (matter) coming out of chaos (quantum matter).
These ZPR particles are gathered and organized by matter waves (morphic
fields), as matter crystallizes or condenses into atoms, molecules, cells...
etc. Matter waves continuously flow inwardly into matter as concentric or
spherical standing waves, at the same time, EMR radiates from and into
matter, exchanging information with the surrounding objects in space about
their objective state.
Rosenfeld (1933, 1963) considered:
G_uv = 8pi(T^uv)psi
Where PSI is the quantum state of the matter fields.
Each object, regardless of size, is accompanied by its own particular matter
wave. Therefore the concept of super-wave-function where various particles
are described by a single wave-function applies.
Matter is a continuos, time dependent, self-organizing process.
Particle/wave systems, as they move through the CMBR/ZPE, will continuously
re-ordinate the space that constitutes them. Particle/wave systems must be,
internally and externally, in constant motion, continuously processing
space/information in order to continue their existence, if motion were to
cease, they would simply disintegrate.
Inertial forces come from this information exchange between particle/wave
systems and material space.
There is a delay as information about the metric is transferred and matter
reaches thermal equilibrium with its surroundings, it just takes time. We
experience that delay as inertia. This is the nature of Timothy Boyer's
'equilibrium spectrum'. It takes time for any moving object to reach thermal
equilibrium with its surroundings, as it jumps from frame to frame in
spacetime. Each frame being in reality marked by the collapse of matter
wave-fronts, like a quantum clock, as inwardly flowing EMR bring within them
some of the information necessary for each quantization, for each objective
state. Each object having its own rate, its own wavelength, or, its own
pulse, so to speak.
When a particle is moving at a constant rate there is no informational lag
created by space/information flow within the particle, its spatial energetic
relationships remain constant, but as the particle is accelerated, the
energetic relations between the particle and space will be in a constant
state of change, causing this space/information flow tension we call
inertia.
Inertia happens because of changes in space flow rate, into and from the
particle, if and when the particle moves through space at changing rates of
speed. As objects are accelerated in a space-time metric, each new position
creates new energy requirements from momentum space.
Inertia comes from the tension or 'informational lag' created by a system as
it changes its rate of space/information flow, or... as it accelerates
within the chaotic medium, not from particles colliding against accelerating
objects. It is an information exchange, through EMR, between a particle and
momentum space, as they continuously need to reset their spatial
relationships in order for the laws of thermodynamics to hold. (see
Unruh-Davies radiation)
While a particle is moving at a constant speed with all the geometrical
parameters already set, it won't experience any inertial forces, but as it
accelerates and the relationships change, it needs to keep adjusting to its
new energy/space consumption settings. That's why relativistic effects are
so real. When accelerated in relation to other particles, there are length
contractions, time slows down, and mass (process) grows within the particle
to balance energy usage in momentum space and maintain its dependence and
relation to spacetime in accordance to energy conservation laws.
The only external information being brought to the system by EM waves is the
momentum and location of the particle in relation to at least that section
of the universe. And this system must be comprised by a particle and its
particular inwardly flowing, concentric matter-waves. Information which is
picked and organized by standing waves as space is condensed into the
particle/system. But the parts (not the information) to construct and
maintain the system intact, as it moves through the medium, come from the
chaotic hyperspace (ZPR). CMBR is in charge of communications and ZPR is the
prime matter from which volumes are created. Matter is where new geometrical
information is created and incorporated into a material system as it moves
through spacetime.
The particle must first be in thermal equilibrium with the environment
before it can exist as matter in spacetime.
--
Laurent

If you are interested in a paper called "On the Quantum as a Physical
Entity" which is a model for quantum mechanics, go to
http://www.wbabin.net/ -- and then go to List of Authors and click on
Vertner Vergon

User: ""
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	31 Jan 2006 05:22:07 PM

Laurent wrote:

Inertia happens because of changes in space flow rate, into and from the
particle, if and when the particle moves through space at changing rates of
speed. As objects are accelerated in a space-time metric, each new position
creates new energy requirements from momentum space.

Inertia comes from the tension or 'informational lag' created by a system as
it changes its rate of space/information flow, or... as it accelerates
within the chaotic medium, not from particles colliding against accelerating
objects. It is an information exchange, through EMR, between a particle and
momentum space, as they continuously need to reset their spatial
relationships in order for the laws of thermodynamics to hold. (see
Unruh-Davies radiation)

While a particle is moving at a constant speed with all the geometrical
parameters already set, it won't experience any inertial forces, but as it
accelerates and the relationships change, it needs to keep adjusting to its
new energy/space consumption settings. That's why relativistic effects are
so real. When accelerated in relation to other particles, there are length
contractions, time slows down, and mass (process) grows within the particle
to balance energy usage in momentum space and maintain its dependence and
relation to spacetime in accordance to energy conservation laws.

The only external information being brought to the system by EM waves is the
momentum and location of the particle in relation to at least that section
of the universe. And this system must be comprised by a particle and its
particular inwardly flowing, concentric matter-waves. Information which is
picked and organized by standing waves as space is condensed into the
particle/system. But the parts (not the information) to construct and
maintain the system intact, as it moves through the medium, come from the
chaotic hyperspace (ZPR). CMBR is in charge of communications and ZPR is the
prime matter from which volumes are created. Matter is where new geometrical
information is created and incorporated into a material system as it moves
through spacetime.

The particle must first be in thermal equilibrium with the environment
before it can exist as matter in spacetime.

--
Laurent

Interesting stuff. 3 things I'd like to know.
Do you believe in Big Bang?
If there is no Big Bang. Where does the CMBR come from?
If there is no Big Bang. How do you explain the doppler red shifting
of galaxies, etc. which is the basis for the belief about the universe
expanding?
If you can explain the CMBR and red shifting without any Big
Bang. Then we can do away the Big Bang and all the related
concepts.
aero flux
.

User: "Spaceman"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	31 Jan 2006 06:29:51 PM

<aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Do you believe in Big Bang?
I don't.
(If you mean the Big Bang that created something from nothing.)
| If there is no Big Bang. Where does the CMBR come from?
A big crash of stuff that was already there,
such as 2 Black Holes.
| If there is no Big Bang. How do you explain the doppler red shifting
| of galaxies, etc. which is the basis for the belief about the universe
| expanding?
2 Black holes of crazy massive proportions colliding
at an slight angle in space, creating the basic spin and the expansion
that creates the red shifting along with lightspeed not being constant
to all observers.
:)
| If you can explain the CMBR and red shifting without any Big
| Bang. Then we can do away the Big Bang and all the related
| concepts.
Because magical something from nothing is a bad phsyicists wet dream.
:)
.

User: "aero flux"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	31 Jan 2006 06:59:27 PM

Spaceman wrote:

<aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Do you believe in Big Bang?

I don't.
(If you mean the Big Bang that created something from nothing.)

| If there is no Big Bang. Where does the CMBR come from?

A big crash of stuff that was already there,
such as 2 Black Holes.

| If there is no Big Bang. How do you explain the doppler red shifting
| of galaxies, etc. which is the basis for the belief about the universe
| expanding?

2 Black holes of crazy massive proportions colliding
at an slight angle in space, creating the basic spin and the expansion
that creates the red shifting along with lightspeed not being constant
to all observers.
:)

| If you can explain the CMBR and red shifting without any Big
| Bang. Then we can do away the Big Bang and all the related
| concepts.

Because magical something from nothing is a bad phsyicists wet dream.
:)

This incredible Big Bang concept thing only says about the integrity
and mental flexibilities of physicists. I mean. As long as there
are evidences, physicists will believe in anything. So we have
a situation where crackpots are people whose belief system
is not flexible enough to reach out or explore the furthest
reaches of space, time (or unspace and untime).
aero flux
.

User: "aero flux"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	01 Feb 2006 06:08:55 AM

The following are seeming anomalies whether the CMBR is a
result of the Big Bang or something else. It is immensely
important to know what is the case. If there is no Big
Bang. There may be no symmetry breaking, etc. (but how
did Weinberg and company predicted the W, Z force for
example and even the values in eV).
http://vsevcosmos.livejournal.com/11322498.html?thread=1410
http://www.bautforum.com/showthread.php?t=28698
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0412276
http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0508047
About the Aether, my concern is .. Can a Big Bang
occur amidst the existence of an Aether (a dynamic
one). Or does belief in Aether automatically reject
the existence or occurence of the Big Bang?
I think we can't use the concept of quantum vacuum
to describe an Aether. I mean. There can't be any
coherence in the quantum vacuum because of
the fluctuations so I think instead of using the concept
of an enhanced quantum vacuum. We must go back
to the concept of a dynamic aether. When the MMX
showed null result. People should have commented that
it showed the Aether is dynamic. Not that it didn't exist.
It seems only an Aether concept can explain everything.
Beneath mass, energy, inertia.. there is something
lurking deep inside.... and it may be none other than
the Aether. Hope Laurent can quantify it more like showing
how aether can cook up the electron and its intrinsic
properties, etc. instead of philosophical explorations.
Or if we can't use the word Aether. Then try to suggest
a new term. What is it?
aero
.

User: "Laurent"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	01 Feb 2006 01:26:15 PM

"aero flux" <aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The aether is the empty space on which the universe stands, the space
between the points.
A point is the same as this empty space, dimensionless.
Space is not what separates us, it is what unites us.
The big bang ocurred. Look for Alan Guth's 'false vacuum'. I believe that
same peculiar substance he talks about still exists and is responsible for
the universe's actual expansive acceleration at the same time it is being
condensed by inwardly flowing standing waves of ZPR particles into forming
larger matter particles.

I think we can't use the concept of quantum vacuum
to describe an Aether. I mean. There can't be any
coherence in the quantum vacuum because of
the fluctuations so I think instead of using the concept
of an enhanced quantum vacuum.

Right, the aether giveth the law. It is from where the ratios, the
constants, the gears of reality, are determined and defined. The aether
itself is physical but immaterial.
We must go back

to the concept of a dynamic aether. When the MMX
showed null result. People should have commented that
it showed the Aether is dynamic. Not that it didn't exist.

You want to measure aether drag, just measure the inertia or momemtum of a
moving object, or put that object on a scale and measure its weight.

It seems only an Aether concept can explain everything.
Beneath mass, energy, inertia.. there is something
lurking deep inside.... and it may be none other than
the Aether.

Mass is the product of process.
Hope Laurent can quantify it more like showing

how aether can cook up the electron and its intrinsic
properties, etc. instead of philosophical explorations.

I can't, that's the thing, I am not a physicist, I post this here hoping one
of you guys will follow my line of reasoning and finish some form of a TOE.
--
Laurent
http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/

Or if we can't use the word Aether. Then try to suggest
a new term. What is it?

aero

User: "aero flux"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	01 Feb 2006 04:32:34 PM

Laurent wrote:

"aero flux" <aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138795735.947473.280950@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The aether is the empty space on which the universe stands, the space
between the points.

A point is the same as this empty space, dimensionless.

Space is not what separates us, it is what unites us.

The big bang ocurred. Look for Alan Guth's 'false vacuum'. I believe that
same peculiar substance he talks about still exists and is responsible for
the universe's actual expansive acceleration at the same time it is being
condensed by inwardly flowing standing waves of ZPR particles into forming
larger matter particles.

Right, the aether giveth the law. It is from where the ratios, the
constants, the gears of reality, are determined and defined. The aether
itself is physical but immaterial.

We must go back

to the concept of a dynamic aether. When the MMX
showed null result. People should have commented that
it showed the Aether is dynamic. Not that it didn't exist.

You want to measure aether drag, just measure the inertia or momemtum of a
moving object, or put that object on a scale and measure its weight.

It seems only an Aether concept can explain everything.
Beneath mass, energy, inertia.. there is something
lurking deep inside.... and it may be none other than
the Aether.

Mass is the product of process.

Hope Laurent can quantify it more like showing

how aether can cook up the electron and its intrinsic
properties, etc. instead of philosophical explorations.

I can't, that's the thing, I am not a physicist, I post this here hoping one
of you guys will follow my line of reasoning and finish some form of a TOE.

--
Laurent

http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/

Or if we can't use the word Aether. Then try to suggest
a new term. What is it?

aero

So you believe in the Big Bang. Tell us what happened before
the Big Bang and what was the source of energy for the
Bang. Write an article about Time Before Bang. I guess you'd
say time doesn't exist before the Bang because the Aether
is without time and without space. But what I can't figure
out is how did the untime create time.. or could time be
an illusion perhaps caused by untime superposition?? But
how does untime superposition create time??
Speaking of superposition. Since you believe in Bohm pilot
waves. What do you think happen to the pilot waves during
quantum superposition. Convensional QM says before
measurement.. the properties such as spin doesn't even
exist. But after measurement, how come the property just
pop up. Where is the info stored during superposition. It
has to be stored somewhere because if the properties are
gone, after superposition, the electron can become any
thing like pion or quark or something.
Hope you can focus on these topics that matter. What
happen before Big Bang and what happen during quantum
superposition. These are the things that matter, the black
box physicists doesn't want to explore. Anyway. They
are said to be waiting for the right model of Quantum
Gravity before they can explore Zero Time in Big Bang
and prior to it.
And oh, what's quantum gravity to you? How do you
merge General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics or
modify them to fit into each other or be compatible down
to planck level.
aero
.

User: "Laurent"
Title: Re: The Schrodinger wave is nothing more than a glorified pilot wave	03 Feb 2006 06:55:58 AM

"aero flux" <aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Laurent wrote:

"aero flux" <aerofluxtreme@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138795735.947473.280950@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...

The aether is the empty space on which the universe stands, the space
between the points.

A point is the same as this empty space, dimensionless.

Space is not what separates us, it is what unites us.

The big bang ocurred. Look for Alan Guth's 'false vacuum'. I believe that
same peculiar substance he talks about still exists and is responsible
for
the universe's actual expansive acceleration at the same time it is being
condensed by inwardly flowing standing waves of ZPR particles into
forming
larger matter particles.

Right, the aether giveth the law. It is from where the ratios, the
constants, the gears of reality, are determined and defined. The aether
itself is physical but immaterial.

We must go back

to the concept of a dynamic aether. When the MMX
showed null result. People should have commented that
it showed the Aether is dynamic. Not that it didn't exist.

You want to measure aether drag, just measure the inertia or momemtum of
a
moving object, or put that object on a scale and measure its weight.

It seems only an Aether concept can explain everything.
Beneath mass, energy, inertia.. there is something
lurking deep inside.... and it may be none other than
the Aether.

Mass is the product of process.

Hope Laurent can quantify it more like showing

how aether can cook up the electron and its intrinsic
properties, etc. instead of philosophical explorations.

I can't, that's the thing, I am not a physicist, I post this here hoping
one
of you guys will follow my line of reasoning and finish some form of a
TOE.

--
Laurent

http://cyberdyno1.tripod.com/

Or if we can't use the word Aether. Then try to suggest
a new term. What is it?

aero

So you believe in the Big Bang. Tell us what happened before
the Big Bang and what was the source of energy for the
Bang. Write an article about Time Before Bang. I guess you'd
say time doesn't exist before the Bang because the Aether
is without time and without space. But what I can't figure
out is how did the untime create time.. or could time be
an illusion perhaps caused by untime superposition?? But
how does untime superposition create time??

Speaking of superposition. Since you believe in Bohm pilot
waves. What do you think happen to the pilot waves during
quantum superposition. Convensional QM says before
measurement.. the properties such as spin doesn't even
exist. But after measurement, how come the property just
pop up. Where is the info stored during superposition. It
has to be stored somewhere because if the properties are
gone, after superposition, the electron can become any
thing like pion or quark or something.

Hope you can focus on these topics that matter. What
happen before Big Bang and what happen during quantum
superposition. These are the things that matter, the black
box physicists doesn't want to explore. Anyway. They
are said to be waiting for the right model of Quantum
Gravity before they can explore Zero Time in Big Bang
and prior to it.

And oh, what's quantum gravity to you? How do you
merge General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics or
modify them to fit into each other or be compatible down
to planck level.

aero

Aether is defined by topological properties, a set of ratios determined at
the aether scale; frame independent constants, a very small number of fixed
laws by which all matter and space must abide. Physical (real) but
non-material quantities (topological). Time independent continuity and
connectedness. We can also call it, topological space, inertial space, or
even momentum space.
Lorentz invariant values originate at the aether level, they are real but
non-material ratios which help determine Lorentz invariant geometrical
properties of objects. Take the fine structure constant for example, change
its value and you get a totally different universe.
"Topological space (aether) can be defined as a set with a collection of
subsets satisfying the conditions that both the empty set and the set itself
belong to the collection, the union of any number of the subsets is also an
element of the collection, and the intersection of any finite number of the
subsets is an element of the collection." -- Webster dictionary
Even Einstein's non-material aether of 1920 comforms to topological quantum
field theory.
" But therewith the conception of the ether has again acquired an
intelligible content, although this content differs widely from that of the
ether of the mechanical ondulatory theory of light. The ether of the general
theory of relativity is a medium which is itself devoid of all mechanical
and kinematical qualities, but helps to determine mechanical (and
electromagnetic) events. "
" Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of
relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense,
therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of
relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not
only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence
for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore
any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be
thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media,
as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion
may not be applied to it. " ------ Albert Einstein
[These are excerpts from a John Baez essay "Higher-dimensional algebra and
Planck scale physics", published in the book "Physics Meets Philosophy at
the Planck Scale"]
" ...in topological quantum field theory we cannot measure time in seconds,
because there is no background metric available to let us count the passage
of time! We can only keep track of topological change. "
" The topology of spacetime is arbitrary and there is no background metric.
"
" Quantum topology is very technical, as anything involving mathematical
physicists inevitably becomes. But if we stand back a moment, it should be
perfectly obvious that differential topology and quantum theory must merge
if we are to understand background-free quantum field theories. In physics
that ignores general relativity, we treat space as a background on which the
process of change occurs. But these are idealizations which we must overcome
in a background-free theory. In fact, the concepts of 'space' and 'state'
are two aspects of a unified whole, and likewise for the concepts of
'spacetime' and 'process'. It is a challenge, not just for mathematical
physicists, but also for philosophers, to understand this more deeply.
" ----- John Baez
"Quantum phenomena are caused by fractal topological defects embedded in and
forming a growing three-dimensional fractal process-space, which is
essentially a quantum foam." ----- R. Cahill
"When theorizing about an all-inclusive reality, the first and most
important principle is containment, which simply tells us what we should and
should not be considering. Containment principles, already well known in
cosmology, generally take the form of tautologies; e.g., "The physical
universe contains all and only that which is physical." The predicate
"physical", like all predicates, here corresponds to a structured set, "the
physical universe" (because the universe has structure and contains objects,
it is a structured set). But this usage of tautology is somewhat loose, for
it technically amounts to a predicate-logical equivalent of propositional
tautology called autology, meaning self-description. Specifically, the
predicate physical is being defined on topological containment in the
physical universe, which is tacitly defined on and descriptively contained
in the predicate physical, so that the self-definition of "physical" is a
two-step operation involving both topological and descriptive containment.
While this principle, which we might regard as a statement of "physicalism",
is often confused with materialism on the grounds that "physical" equals
"material", the material may in fact be only a part of what makes up the
physical. Similarly, the physical may only be a part of what makes up the
real. Because the content of reality is a matter of science as opposed to
mere semantics, this issue can be resolved only by rational or empirical
evidence, not by assumption alone." -------- Christopher Michael Langan
http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Articles/IntroCTMU.html
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Title: aero flux	23 Feb 2006 01:09:49 PM

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The aether is the empty space on which the universe stands, the space
between the points.

A point is the same as this empty space, dimensionless.

Space is not what separates us, it is what unites us.

The big bang ocurred. Look for Alan Guth's 'false vacuum'. I believe
that
same peculiar substance he talks about still exists and is responsible
for
the universe's actual expansive acceleration at the same time it is
being
condensed by inwardly flowing standing waves of ZPR particles into
forming
larger matter particles.