Science > Physics > The speed of light can not be physically constant to all
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The speed of light can not be physically constant to all |
The speed of light, 186,000 miles per second (rounded off of course),
can not be constant to all observers simply because it is a speed.
There is no such thing as a speed that can be constant to all observers
For such a speed to be constant to all observers it would have to
be able to ignore and adjust (instantly) to the relative motion of all
things.
c is not a constant.
It is a speed and all speeds are variable to a relative observer.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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14 Mar 2006 03:35:05 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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The speed of light, 186,000 miles per second (rounded off of course),
can not be constant to all observers simply because it is a speed.
Idiot.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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14 Mar 2006 05:42:40 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Idiot.
You are the "idiot" Sir Troll Wake.
If lightspeed was truly a constant speed to all.
It would mean that if something was moving at say 0.5c
towards a lightsource and the lightsource was turned
on, then off for a total of 1 second, you would be stating
that the object moving towards it would still see the light for 1
second because the speed would not be relative.
LOL.
You truly are a moron!
ROFLOL
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 06:04:22 AM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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<poor T Wake had to use the troll tactic of changing groups>
Its funny how many messages you sent to alt.local.village.idiot though,
isn't it.....
Actually I thought, given your total lack of understanding regarding
physics, that this was not the best group for you and simply pointed your
mewling replies elsewhere.
Sorry if it took a while for you to notice.
"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Idiot.
You are the "idiot" Sir Troll Wake.
If lightspeed was truly a constant speed to all.
It would mean that if something was moving at say 0.5c
towards a lightsource and the lightsource was turned
on, then off for a total of 1 second, you would be stating
that the object moving towards it would still see the light for 1
second because the speed would not be relative.
You are two thick for words. You are confusing concepts here. The photons in
the light are moving at c. Experimentally prove otherwise.
You dont understand the difference between seeing 1/2 second worth of
photons and the photons moving at c.
You genuinely are so thick I am surprised you can turn your computer on.
You truly are a moron!
Yeah, whatever.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 10:53:38 AM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Its funny how many messages you sent to alt.local.village.idiot though,
isn't it.....
Yup,
It is funny, since it is merely proof of your trolling.
Grats on that.
BTW: no answer about the 1 second pulse huh?
You are two thick for words. You are confusing concepts here. The photons
in the light are moving at c. Experimentally prove otherwise.
If they are moving at c to all observers, the 1 second pulse
should be 1 second to all observers.. but it can not be so
the photons are not moving at c to all observers and therefore
lightspeed is not constant to all observers.
You dont understand the difference between seeing 1/2 second worth of
photons and the photons moving at c.
You don't know what the difference in total time means.
It simply means no constant to all speed is occuring.
Too bad you can't grasp such a simple fact.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:03:52 AM |
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Its funny how many messages you sent to alt.local.village.idiot though,
isn't it.....
Yup,
It is funny, since it is merely proof of your trolling.
Oh well.
Grats on that.
BTW: no answer about the 1 second pulse huh?
Well, other than the three times I have answered so far.
You are two thick for words. You are confusing concepts here. The photons
in the light are moving at c. Experimentally prove otherwise.
If they are moving at c to all observers, the 1 second pulse
should be 1 second to all observers.. but it can not be so
the photons are not moving at c to all observers and therefore
lightspeed is not constant to all observers.
No. The photons are still traveling at c. The pulse duration is the issue.
Feel free to provide any evidence which contradicts this. It is
experimentally tested and forms the basis for phase switched radar arrays.
You dont understand the difference between seeing 1/2 second worth of
photons and the photons moving at c.
You don't know what the difference in total time means.
The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person moving
towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the pulse and
therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still travelling at c.
It simply means no constant to all speed is occuring.
Too bad you can't grasp such a simple fact.
Do you have a list of sentences you have to get in each post or do you
actually type this crap in each time?
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: The speed of light can not be physically constant to all |
15 Mar 2006 11:09:37 AM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person
moving towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the pulse
and therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still travelling
at c.
Not according to the observer dingbat.
If they passed by that observer at c, the pulse would still be
1 second long.
LOL
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:14:52 AM |
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The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person
moving towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the pulse
and therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still
travelling at c.
Not according to the observer dingbat.
Which observer?
If they passed by that observer at c, the pulse would still be
1 second long.
Who is "they?" The photons or the person moving towards the transmitter?
You need to arrange for a visit to a high energy physics laboratory. Some
(if not all) of the things you see there will blow your mind. If you live in
Europe I can try to help you out. If you live in the US I am sure some one
else can arrange it.
Failing that, I have friends who are prepared to carry out whatever
experiment you want them to construct. As long as it doesn't take more than
a few hours (including setup) and doesn't use much in the way of resources,
they will do it and write it up for publishing for £500. You will get the
draft within two weeks.
Your call.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:22:32 AM |
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The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person
moving towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the
pulse and therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still
travelling at c.
Not according to the observer dingbat.
Which observer?
The observer that will not see the 1 second pulse.
DUH!
If they passed by that observer at c, the pulse would still be
1 second long.
Who is "they?" The photons or the person moving towards the transmitter?
The photons.
Sheesh,
You cant even extract what it being stated from a simple statement
anymore huh?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:33:44 AM |
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The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person
moving towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the
pulse and therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still
travelling at c.
Not according to the observer dingbat.
Which observer?
The observer that will not see the 1 second pulse.
Which observer is that?
The only two you mentioned will see every photon moving at c.
If they passed by that observer at c, the pulse would still be
1 second long.
Who is "they?" The photons or the person moving towards the transmitter?
The photons.
Nope. Prove otherwise.
Sheesh,
You cant even extract what it being stated from a simple statement
anymore huh?
Not when you write it.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:40:13 AM |
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The pulse leaves the emitter over the period of 1 second. The person
moving towards the transmitter spends less time in contact with the
pulse and therfore determines it being shorter. The photons are still
travelling at c.
Not according to the observer dingbat.
Which observer?
The observer that will not see the 1 second pulse.
Which observer is that?
The on heading towards the light source.
(and your evasion has been noted)
The only two you mentioned will see every photon moving at c.
Nope.
If all observers would measure c, they would also all measure a
1 second pulse.
Nope. Prove otherwise.
You are too ignorant to grasp the proof.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:45:32 AM |
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Which observer is that?
The on heading towards the light source.
(and your evasion has been noted)
Evading what? Your lack of detail is not something I have any control over.
The observer you mention here WILL detect each photon travelling at c.
There is an interesting lesson in light that, one day, you will come to
terms with.
Before I go on, do you understand the "wave-particle duality" of light? Is
this a theory you are happy with or do we need to go onto a long winded
debate over it as well as everything else?
Are you aware what the effect of hitting subsequent peaks of a pulse of
light at a faster or slower rate?
Do you realise that none of this implies the actual photons are moving at
anything other than c?
The only two you mentioned will see every photon moving at c.
Nope.
If all observers would measure c, they would also all measure a
1 second pulse.
Why? Is the pulse moving at c as well?
Nope. Prove otherwise.
You are too ignorant to grasp the proof.
You have no proof. You have hand waving and a demand we use the mathematics
YOU have chosen to be applicable. You require greater proof that you are
wrong than you can offer that you are correct.
Shocking, morally bankrupt, behaviour my dear Spaceman.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:50:25 AM |
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Which observer is that?
The on heading towards the light source.
(and your evasion has been noted)
Evading what? Your lack of detail is not something I have any control
over.
The observer you mention here WILL detect each photon travelling at c.
So he will also see the pulse for 1 second still then?
Guess what... he won't.. you are still wrong.
What duration of lightpulse do you think the observer will see?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:55:17 AM |
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Which observer is that?
The on heading towards the light source.
(and your evasion has been noted)
Evading what? Your lack of detail is not something I have any control
over.
The observer you mention here WILL detect each photon travelling at c.
So he will also see the pulse for 1 second still then?
Did I say that?
Guess what... he won't.. you are still wrong.
Well, as I never said that it is interesting that you think I am wrong.
What duration of lightpulse do you think the observer will see?
I have answered this elsewhere.
Stop evading my questions.
Do you want my friends to carry out a bespoke experiment for you?
Can you prove that the currently used methods of determining speed of c to
all observers is wrong?
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 11:59:42 AM |
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Which observer is that?
The on heading towards the light source.
(and your evasion has been noted)
Evading what? Your lack of detail is not something I have any control
over.
The observer you mention here WILL detect each photon travelling at c.
So he will also see the pulse for 1 second still then?
Did I say that?
Guess what... he won't.. you are still wrong.
Well, as I never said that it is interesting that you think I am wrong.
What duration of lightpulse do you think the observer will see?
I have answered this elsewhere.
I don't see it yet.
Why don't you place the answer here also.
Can you prove that the currently used methods of determining speed of c to
all observers is wrong?
Can you grasp the logic of the problem I just gave you at all?
It is doing such.
If the duration the observer measures for the lightpulse is not 1 second
the speed it is passing by is not c.
Simple as that.
Is it really too simple for you to grasp?
I feel bad for you if that is the case.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 12:08:00 PM |
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What duration of lightpulse do you think the observer will see?
I have answered this elsewhere.
I don't see it yet.
Why don't you place the answer here also.
The observer moving towards the light emitter will be "bathed" in the the
light for half a second.
The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
Can you prove that the currently used methods of determining speed of c
to all observers is wrong?
Can you grasp the logic of the problem I just gave you at all?
Oh, I do. You dont seem to grasp the answer.
It is doing such.
Nope. It proves nothing until you have experimentally demonstrated the
answer is the same as the one you predict.
At this moment in time, we have nothing other than you assertion that you
are correct.
If the duration the observer measures for the lightpulse is not 1 second
the speed it is passing by is not c.
The photons in the one second pulse of light are still travelling at c.
Simple as that.
Is it really too simple for you to grasp?
I feel bad for you if that is the case.
Why?
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 12:26:57 PM |
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What duration of lightpulse do you think the observer will see?
I have answered this elsewhere.
I don't see it yet.
Why don't you place the answer here also.
The observer moving towards the light emitter will be "bathed" in the the
light for half a second.
The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
Oh, I do. You dont seem to grasp the answer.
You do not.
You prove it by still ignoring the relative speed the observer
must measure to get a shorter pulse time.
The photons in the one second pulse of light are still travelling at c.
Only with reference to the emission point.
All other observers would measure a relative speed
and the observer in this case is proving such.
Simple as that.
Is it really too simple for you to grasp?
I feel bad for you if that is the case.
Why?
Because you are too ignorant to figure out that
the observer could not measure a speed of c and
also measure a shorter pulse time.
Sheesh!
You truly are brainwashed.
LOL
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: The speed of light can not be physically constant to all |
15 Mar 2006 12:42:48 PM |
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is made up
from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at c. .
Prove otherwise.
Oh, I do. You dont seem to grasp the answer.
You do not.
I do.
You prove it by still ignoring the relative speed the observer
must measure to get a shorter pulse time.
Which photon(s) in the pulse will be travelling at a speed not equal to c?
Assume for your mathematics that the pulse was made up of 1x10^8 photons.
Which ones will the observer determine are not moving at c?
The photons in the one second pulse of light are still travelling at c.
Only with reference to the emission point.
All other observers would measure a relative speed
and the observer in this case is proving such.
You are wrong. It is very simple. The photons are moving at the speed of
light, which (based on years of experimental evidence) is defined as a
constant.
The observer will determine each, and every, photon is travelling at c.
Prove otherwise.
Simple as that.
Is it really too simple for you to grasp?
I feel bad for you if that is the case.
Why?
Because you are too ignorant to figure out that
the observer could not measure a speed of c and
also measure a shorter pulse time.
You struggle to differentiate the pulse and the photons that make it up.
I suggest you re-study electromagnetism and the evidential support for the
current theories.
Sheesh!
You truly are brainwashed.
So original of you.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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| Title: Re: The speed of light can not be physically constant to all |
15 Mar 2006 12:47:43 PM |
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is made up
from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at c. .
And such collection of photons, if traveling at c to all observers
would not be measured to be less than 1 second of a pulse.
You lose.
And you are so ignorant.. it is amazing.
LOL
Which photon(s) in the pulse will be travelling at a speed not equal to c?
Any and all that pass by the observer that does not measure a
1 second pulse.
Assume for your mathematics that the pulse was made up of 1x10^8 photons.
Which ones will the observer determine are not moving at c?
All of them.
He will measure a relative speed of 1.5c or he would not
measure a shorter light pulse.
You are wrong.
No,
You are a moron.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 12:50:28 PM |
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is made
up from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at c. .
And such collection of photons, if traveling at c to all observers
would not be measured to be less than 1 second of a pulse.
Yes they would.
It is fairly easy for you to work out why if you bothered to look into it.
You lose.
Wrong.
Didnt realise this was a competition though. Is this what you need to do to
validate your existence?
And you are so ignorant.. it is amazing.
Cool. I like to amaze.
Which photon(s) in the pulse will be travelling at a speed not equal to
c?
Any and all that pass by the observer that does not measure a
1 second pulse.
None of the photons measure a 1 second pulse rate. Each photon is just a
photon.
Which ones are not moving at c?
Assume for your mathematics that the pulse was made up of 1x10^8
photons.
Which ones will the observer determine are not moving at c?
All of them.
He will measure a relative speed of 1.5c or he would not
measure a shorter light pulse.
So all the photons are sped up?
You are wrong.
No,
You are a moron.
Cool. A new insult. Well done.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 12:58:55 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is made
up from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at c. .
And such collection of photons, if traveling at c to all observers
would not be measured to be less than 1 second of a pulse.
Yes they would.
No *****,
because the passed by the observer at a faster than c speed.
Sheesh you are about as dense as lead inside a black hole.
None of the photons measure a 1 second pulse rate. Each photon is just a
photon.
No *****.
The total released in 1 second all pass by the observer
faster than the speed of c for the duration the observer measures
to be less than 1 second.
All of them.
He will measure a relative speed of 1.5c or he would not
measure a shorter light pulse.
So all the photons are sped up?
No you freaking twisting *****.
The relative speed they passed by the observer was different.
Why you need to twist my statements like that is simple
more proof of your ingorance or your total lack of understanding
relative speeds.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:02:59 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is made
up from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at c. .
And such collection of photons, if traveling at c to all observers
would not be measured to be less than 1 second of a pulse.
Yes they would.
No *****,
because the passed by the observer at a faster than c speed.
Nope.
Sheesh you are about as dense as lead inside a black hole.
None of the photons measure a 1 second pulse rate. Each photon is just a
photon.
No *****.
The total released in 1 second all pass by the observer
faster than the speed of c for the duration the observer measures
to be less than 1 second.
No they dont and there is no way for the observer to measure this. Each
photon will hit his detector at c and the overall "pulse" of photons will
pass the observer by in less than one second.
All of them.
He will measure a relative speed of 1.5c or he would not
measure a shorter light pulse.
So all the photons are sped up?
No you freaking twisting *****.
You need more meds.
The relative speed they passed by the observer was different.
The moving observer will still detect each photon as travelling at c.
Why you need to twist my statements like that is simple
more proof of your ingorance or your total lack of understanding
relative speeds.
Yadayadayada.....
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:14:08 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The light will still be moving away from the emitter at c.
No *****.
But that is not the relative speed the observer would measure
if he truly does not see a 1 second pulse.
The pulse is not the "light" that is travelling at c. The pulse is
made up from a collection of photons, each of which are travelling at
c. .
And such collection of photons, if traveling at c to all observers
would not be measured to be less than 1 second of a pulse.
Yes they would.
No *****,
because the passed by the observer at a faster than c speed.
Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
The total released in 1 second all pass by the observer
faster than the speed of c for the duration the observer measures
to be less than 1 second.
No they dont and there is no way for the observer to measure this. Each
photon will hit his detector at c and the overall "pulse" of photons will
pass the observer by in less than one second.
Are you really this dense?
The shorter time is telling him they passed by faster than c.
Sheesh you truly are so brainwashed you can not even attempt to
think about such anymore..
LOL
The relative speed they passed by the observer was different.
The moving observer will still detect each photon as travelling at c.
Nope.
If he did, the group would still take 1 second to pass by him.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:21:20 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Prove, experimentally, otherwise. If you cant the exisiting theory stands.
No they dont and there is no way for the observer to measure this. Each
photon will hit his detector at c and the overall "pulse" of photons will
pass the observer by in less than one second.
Are you really this dense?
How dense?
The shorter time is telling him they passed by faster than c.
No it isnt.
Sheesh you truly are so brainwashed you can not even attempt to
think about such anymore..
For a moment you were being original.
The relative speed they passed by the observer was different.
The moving observer will still detect each photon as travelling at c.
Nope.
If he did, the group would still take 1 second to pass by him.
Nope.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:30:01 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Not if the speed were c for all observers.
Prove, experimentally, otherwise. If you cant the exisiting theory stands.
Please post why the pulse time is shorter for the observer
without using a relative speed difference.
The shorter time is telling him they passed by faster than c.
No it isnt.
Yes it is.
Nope.
If he did, the group would still take 1 second to pass by him.
Nope.
Yes,
If not yes,
Please give your "cause" for the shorter pulse time.
and please feel free to show the math to.
:)
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:32:47 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Not if the speed were c for all observers.
The observer measuring the photons as he moved towards the emitter would
determine all were at c.
Prove, experimentally, otherwise. If you cant the exisiting theory
stands.
Please post why the pulse time is shorter for the observer
without using a relative speed difference.
Please post some evidence to support your overhaul of c as a constant.
Better still, why dont you send it to the international standards
organisation and get them to redefine c as no longer being a constant.
The shorter time is telling him they passed by faster than c.
No it isnt.
Yes it is.
Oh no it isnt.
(Do you get panto in the US?)
Nope.
If he did, the group would still take 1 second to pass by him.
Nope.
Yes,
Nope.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:35:36 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Not if the speed were c for all observers.
The observer measuring the photons as he moved towards the emitter would
determine all were at c.
No,
If such was true, he would still measure a 1 second pulse time.
Please define why he can measure a shorter pulse time while
the photons still pass by at c.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:37:43 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Not if the speed were c for all observers.
The observer measuring the photons as he moved towards the emitter would
determine all were at c.
No,
If such was true, he would still measure a 1 second pulse time.
Nope.
Please define why he can measure a shorter pulse time while
the photons still pass by at c.
I have already done this.
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| User: "Spaceman" |
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15 Mar 2006 01:57:14 PM |
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"T Wake" <taswakeAt@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yes, or the observer would nto measure a shorter than one second
pulse.
Yes the observer would.
Not if the speed were c for all observers.
The observer measuring the photons as he moved towards the emitter would
determine all were at c.
No,
If such was true, he would still measure a 1 second pulse time.
Nope.
Yup.
Please define why he can measure a shorter pulse time while
the photons still pass by at c.
I have already done this.
You have not, and you just said you couldn't in another post.
LOL
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| User: "T Wake" |
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15 Mar 2006 02:00:49 PM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote in message
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Nope.
Yup.
Nope
Please define why he can measure a shorter pulse time while
the photons still pass by at c.
I have already done this.
You have not, and you just said you couldn't in another post.
I did explain it. As you can see the other post was me telling you why you
could never be made to understand it.
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| User: "Euclid Uranium" |
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07 Apr 2006 11:20:47 AM |
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"Spaceman" <Realspace@comcast.not> wrote:
No,
If such was true, he would still measure a 1 second pulse time.
Please define why he can measure a shorter pulse time while
the photons still pass by at c.
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