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"Mike" |
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31 Oct 2004 04:39:11 AM |
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The universality of free fall conspiracy |
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: The universality of free fall conspiracy |
31 Oct 2004 10:36:49 AM |
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"Mike" <eleatis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message
news:9c1b39be.0410310239.6e795567@posting.google.com...
: This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
: second). I do this because the information in the link below is
: fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
: science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while
Einstein
: fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
: from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve
that:
:
: http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
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: Mike
On the surface it looks interesting, Mike, but I fear the author has
made an oversight of his own.
Consider the following three bodies, initially at rest.
----A----------B---------C----
Quote:
"The situation is even simpler for the separate release of the 2
bodies. Since the heavier body causes e.g. the Earth to accelerate
toward it more quickly, heavier bodies will always fall faster than
lighter bodies in the reference frame of either the Earth or the other
body. "
Unquote.
After release, A and B are moving toward each other, so we have
----A----B----C---------------- in the frame of A fixed to the page.
----------A----B----C---------- in the frame of B fixed to the page.
----------------A----B----C---- in the frame of C fixed to the page.
C is attracted by *BOTH* A and B.
Androcles.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: The universality of free fall conspiracy |
31 Oct 2004 06:06:11 AM |
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"Mike" <eleatis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message news:9c1b39be.0410310239.6e795567@posting.google.com...
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second).
As "Undeniable" you started 8 of them:
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308070505.3b40503d@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308061044.5d37adfb@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308051552.1f9b4534@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0307170642.114a21b4@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0307301023.5c607107@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308080625.7e988941@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308200550.63c8b2a1@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0309110621.10e650be@posting.google.com
Dirk Vdm
I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: The universality of free fall conspiracy |
01 Nov 2004 03:47:09 AM |
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<Ty4hd.5463$Vp5.395400@phobos.telenet-ops.be>...
"Mike" <eleatis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message news:9c1b39be.0410310239.6e795567@posting.google.com...
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second).
As "Undeniable" you started 8 of them:
2 or even 8 are of the same order of magnitude idiot. Have you figured
out whether sqrt is a function or formula yet?
Mike
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308070505.3b40503d@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308061044.5d37adfb@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308051552.1f9b4534@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0307170642.114a21b4@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0307301023.5c607107@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308080625.7e988941@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0308200550.63c8b2a1@posting.google.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?&threadm=1f366ae.0309110621.10e650be@posting.google.com
Dirk Vdm
I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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| Title: Re: The universality of free fall conspiracy |
31 Oct 2004 12:14:57 PM |
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(Mike) wrote in message news:<9c1b39be.0410310239.6e795567@posting.google.com>...
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
What is your point? Other than you know nothing? There is no
equivalence principle conspiracy, it is just that the point of the
page is trivially obvious to anyone with a moderate amount of 'clue'
regarding gravitation. Hell, it is trivially obvious to anyone who has
went through any course that even touches upon electrostatics.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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31 Oct 2004 09:39:19 AM |
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Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton,
[snip crap]
Idiot.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Mike" |
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01 Nov 2004 03:44:41 AM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<41850727.3C85FF2A@hate.spam.net>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton,
[snip crap]
Idiot.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
I thought you claimed the EP can be falsified. Did you changed your
mind now and bend backwards to GR?
Mike
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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01 Nov 2004 04:02:08 PM |
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(Mike) wrote in message news:<9c1b39be.0411010144.5868d31e@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<41850727.3C85FF2A@hate.spam.net>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton,
[snip crap]
Idiot.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
I thought you claimed the EP can be falsified. Did you changed your
mind now and bend backwards to GR?
Mike
Reading is fundamental, fuckwit.
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| User: "Mike" |
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02 Nov 2004 01:44:44 AM |
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(Eric Gisse) wrote in message news:<fd0fc2fa.0411011402.31daf74c@posting.google.com>...
eleatis@yahoo.gr (Mike) wrote in message news:<9c1b39be.0411010144.5868d31e@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<41850727.3C85FF2A@hate.spam.net>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton,
[snip crap]
Idiot.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
I thought you claimed the EP can be falsified. Did you changed your
mind now and bend backwards to GR?
Mike
Reading is fundamental, fuckwit.
I bet you don't even know the correct form of Newton's second law
idiot.
Yet, you keep posting crap in these ng's while inslulting people to
hide your incompetence.
Mike
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| User: "Eric Gisse" |
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02 Nov 2004 08:21:37 AM |
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(Mike) wrote in message news:<9c1b39be.0411012344.67d0fbac@posting.google.com>...
fsegg@uaf.edu (Eric Gisse) wrote in message news:<fd0fc2fa.0411011402.31daf74c@posting.google.com>...
(Mike) wrote in message news:<9c1b39be.0411010144.5868d31e@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<41850727.3C85FF2A@hate.spam.net>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton,
[snip crap]
Idiot.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2001-4/index.html>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity
I thought you claimed the EP can be falsified. Did you changed your
mind now and bend backwards to GR?
Mike
Reading is fundamental, fuckwit.
I bet you don't even know the correct form of Newton's second law
idiot.
F = ma? F=dp/dt? Whats your pleasure?
Yet, you keep posting crap in these ng's while inslulting people to
hide your incompetence.
Mike
Do you know the difference between a running experiment with no
results and an experiment that has been finished and has its' results
published? "can be" is not "has been". As I said, reading is
fundamental, fuckwit.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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02 Nov 2004 09:42:29 PM |
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Gravity is a push to less energy.
As the universe expands , matter don't .
So a low forms around mass.
Matter is buoyant in energy.
All the parts of atoms are energ in motion in amounts named as its
parts in iensiens wavcal universe and the sum of all thier qualiies.
ALL the energy that ever was is still inside the universe pushing it
out.
EP has a new name DARK ENERGY.
Bent space is an energy gradiant .
Photons change directions and orbit in te pit to remain at C and are
ejected by changing directions to remain at C.
Photons are a rize and fall in the conductor .
More energy cant go faster than the rate energy will react with energy
so it changes directions and is a cohearant wavical.
Time dont change ,,energy reacts wth energ at C. Clocks change , the
same energy afecting more mass . But time don't.
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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31 Oct 2004 07:29:09 AM |
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Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
Looks like a good candidate for crank dot net
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| User: "Mike" |
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01 Nov 2004 03:39:01 AM |
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Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<FM5hd.338066$MQ5.337323@attbi_s52>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
Mike
Looks like a good candidate for crank dot net
Point out the error or shut up.
Mike
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| User: "Tom Roberts" |
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31 Oct 2004 08:45:16 AM |
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Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
The author of that site does not undestand the equivalence principle.
He/She thinks it applies everywhere, while in fact it applies only
locally. All the "counterexamples" given are attempting to apply it in
regions larger than it is really valid.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
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| User: "Mike" |
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01 Nov 2004 03:38:23 AM |
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Tom Roberts <tjroberts@lucent.com> wrote in message news:<0U6hd.18300$5b1.7509@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com>...
Mike wrote:
This is probably the first time I start a new topic (or maybe the
second). I do this because the information in the link below is
fascinating. It exposes in a way one of the biggest conspiracies in
science, started by Galileo and perpetuated by Newton, while Einstein
fell victim of it when he could have exposed it himself. This comes
from Palo Alto, so pay attention and start thinking, you deserve that:
http://paias.org/Science/Newton/Newt0Summary.htm
The author of that site does not undestand the equivalence principle.
He/She thinks it applies everywhere, while in fact it applies only
locally. All the "counterexamples" given are attempting to apply it in
regions larger than it is really valid.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
Why Tom, thanks for your contribution, it is always welcome. A few
questions and comments:
1. Do you distinguish between the "law of Free Fall" and EP in the GR
sense?
i.e. the author seems to discuss the law of free fall as adopted in
classical mechanics, not the EP postulate.
2. Can you quantify "locally" in terms of the fundamental dimesion of
[L]? When locallity breaks down? Furthermore, can you justify why a
set of consecutive local points where the EP holds at each and every
one, result in EP not holding in the whole set? Is that an antinomy,
i.e. each of the local points have a property that the set which
contains them does not have.
3. In GR, in which your are undoubtly an expert, is the classical law
of free fall true, i.e. that the rate of fall is independent of mass
and composition?
4. In your opinion, was Galileo correct to state a Law of Free Fall
given the limited reach of his experiments?
Thanks in advance
Mike
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