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"Timo Nieminen" |
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18 Oct 2005 12:32:14 AM |
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Theories of light 2: ether theories |
Abstract
This is the second section of a discussion in three posts on
theories of light. This part is about ether theories of
light; the first part was about emission theories, and the final
part is about light in the framework of the special theory of
relativity.
The ether is often dealt with in accounts of optics,
electromagnetics, or relativity by the simple, but
insufficient, "the Michelson-Morley experiment proved that
there was no ether". While appealing in its simplicity, this
fails to capture either the scientific or the historical aspects.
A closer look at why conventional physics abandoned the ether
is worthwhile.
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Introduction
The idea of a continuous medium filling all space (or at least
the space between material bodies) is an old one, and has served
several theoretical functions, from simply filling space since
Nature abhors a vacuum, to explaining heat flow, gravitational and
electromagnetic forces, and the propagation of light. As Huygens
wrote, "We cannot help believing that light consists in the motion=20
of a certain material" (Crew 1900). In the case of optics, this
led to the idea that light waves are mechanical waves in a physical
medium; and in the case of electromagnetic forces, that these
are forces exerted on matter by waves, pressures, or some other
mechanical disturbance or effect in a physical medium. With the
benefit of hindsight, knowing that light is an electromagnetic
wave, we can treat the postulated luminiferous and electromagnetic
ethers as identical from the beginning.
The earliest ether theory that can be called "scientific" in the
modern sense is perhaps that of Huygens (see Crew 1900 for
a translation of Huygens work). Into the corpuscule-wave debate
stepped Huygens, who rejected corpuscular theories on the basis
that counter-propagating rays of light do not disturb each
other. Transmission of light through a vacuum then shows that the
luminiferous medium - the ether - is not ordinary matter. Huygens
concluded that the ether, like gases and liquids, was composed of
small particles, but composed of much smaller ether molecules, able to
freely move among the particles of gases and liquids, and also
able to penetrate the pores of solid bodies, which must "have a
structure similar to that of a sponge." Due to the great speed at
which light waves travel, the ether molecules must be extremely
hard.
Young (1802) successfully explained most known optical phenomena
in terms of waves in a highly elastic ether. Young noted the smallness
of the wavelength of light (accurately) and the exceedingly
high frequencies of the waves (inaccurately, since he assumed
a value for the speed of light approximately half the true value).
Difficulties remained however - polarisation of light was unexplainable
while light waves were assumed to be pressure waves in the ether,
analagous to sound waves in air. The key element in the general
acceptance of the wave theory of light was the explanation of
polarised light by Fresnel in terms of transverse waves in the ether
(Frankel 1976).
That light consists of transverse waves, and only transverse waves,
has some important consequences for ether theories: an ether that
behaves like an atomic gas, with "ether atoms" that basically bounce
off each other during collisions can only support longitudinal waves,
not transverse waves. Thus, Huygen's gas-like ether was ruled out.
An ether, then, must be either fundamentally continuous, or, if
"atomic", consist of particles that can interact at a distance.
Electromagnetism
The early history of electromagnetic theory and experiment following
Oersted's discovery shows very rapid progress, with Ampere, Biot,
Savart, and Faraday rapidly completing the foundations that would
be needed for a unified theory of electromagnetism.=20
While continental attempts at explaining electromagnetic phenomena
were based firmly on action-at-a-distance in true Newtonian style,
Faraday was picturing electromagnetism in terms of lines of force
connecting charges. Incidentally, Faraday also discovered some
phenomena that complicated the early simple ether theory of light,
such as Faraday rotation.
Following the beginning made by Faraday, and work by W. Thomson,
Maxwell (1861-1862, 1865) then obtained a unified theory of
electromagnetism based on the mechanical properties of the ether.
Maxwell (1865) showed that the speed of electromagnetic waves
in the ether was equal to the speed of light, leading to the
conclusion that the luminiferous medium and the electromagnetic
ether were the one and same thing.
Maxwell (1861-1862) explicitly used vortices in a fluid to model
magnetic fields, showing the properties that the fluid and the
vortices therein must have if this was to be the mechanical
explanation of magnetic fields. Despite his success, there remained
some severe problems; it is worth quoting Maxwell on this: "We have
yet given no answer to the questions, "How are these vortices set in
rotation?" and "Why are they arranged according to the known laws
of force about magnets and currents?" These questions are certainly
of a higher order of difficulty than either of the former; and I wish
to separate the suggestions I may offer by way of provisional answer
to them, from [the answers to the earlier questions]".
In Maxwell's later work, he appears to step back from his earlier
model:
I have on a former occasion attempted to describe a particular
kind of motion and a particular kind of strain, so arranged as
to account for the phenomena. In the present paper I avoid any
hypothesis of this kind (Maxwell 1865)
=20
The theory proposed in the preceding pages is evidently of a
provisional kind, resting as it does on unproved hypotheses
relating to the nature of molecular vortices, and the mode in
which they are affected by the displacement of the medium. We
must therefore regard any coincidence with observed facts as of
much less scientific value in the theory of the magnetic
rotation of the plane of polarization than in the electromagnetic
theory of light, which, though it involves hypotheses about the
electric properties of media, does not speculate as to the
consitution of their molecules. (Maxwell 1873)
=20
Despite these reservations, Maxwell remained firmly committed to the
idea of a medium, closing his Treatise (1873) with "Hence all these
theories lead to the conception of a medium in which the propagation
takes place".
The downfall of the ether
Early experiments and observations (Fizeau-Fresnel ether drag and
aberration) suggested that the ether was "stationary". It is worth
pointing out that, at the time, it was believed that our galaxy
was quite small, and, furthermore, that our (small) galaxy might
constitute the entire universe. "Stationary", therefore, should be
taken to mean stationary relative to the universe as a whole.
This, then, suggested the possibility of determining the motion
of the earth through the ether by electromagnetic or optical means.
Maxwell (1880) himself noted the possibility, and the attempts
to actually measure the motion of the earth are well-known
(eg the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble, etc), as
is the fact that all yielded a null result. (Let us not be
diverted by the Miller arguments! Even if Miller's result
was a genuine non-null result, it still rules out a=20
stationary ether.)
Contrary to the modern simplification that ether was therefore
proved to exist, active experimentation to determine the
properties of the ether continued (eg looking for ether drag in
the vicinity of moving massive bodies), as did theoretical
investigations (for example, Larmor's monumental work). As is
quite well known, investigations of this nature led to Lorentz
developing a theory that explained all known observations and
experiments to date.
Special relativity offered a simpler alternative to the rather
ad hoc modifications to ether theories to accomodate the
"experimental foundations of special relativity", and it is
within reason to state that special relativity eliminated the
need for ether. This is, however, historically inaccurate, at
least in a strict sense. Lorenz had already formulated a theory
of electromagetism, including the identification of light as
an electromagnetic wave, without recourse to ether. Lorenz's
work, however, does not seem to have attracted much notice
(Keller 2002).
The actual downfall of the ether was more complex. Firstly,
EInstein's theory of special relativity attracted little
attention in England until 1920, and work on ether proceeded
in the meantime. This led to some serious theoretical difficulties:
if the ether was continuous, then the interaction of matter
with the ether would result in the rapid cooling of matter
(Jeans 1905, 1922) - essentially the ultraviolet catastrophe
in ether guise. The inability of the continuous ether to deal
with such difficulties led to its demise.
Possible ethers?
As noted above, "atomic" gas-like ethers are ruled out, and
continuous ethers are ruled out. What remains - perhaps the
possibility of an "atomic" fluid or solid ether. If fluid,
the ether must be able to support transverse waves, which,
perhaps, suggests the possibility of a superfluid. One practical
problem remains: the absence of longitudinal waves; while
solids and superfluids can indeed support transverse waves, they
also support longitudinal waves, which are not observed.
An interesting idea is that atomic ethers are experimentally
testable - there must be a lower limit to the wavelength
of undulations in the ether. Any ether theorists out there
willing to make predictions? If we are moving through such an
ether, then presumably the lower limit is also anisotropic.
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
to be explained? If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
of ordinary matter?
The other is quantisation of light. Consider the emission
of light by a dipole. Classically, the light is emitted in
the radiation pattern of a dipole oscillator. The wave spreads
out in space. Quantumly, if a single photon is emitted, only
a single photon is detected, and the single photon is detected
at a point, not spread out in the manner of the classical wave.
How can this be explained by classical mechanical waves in
an ether? With classical electrodynamics having essentially the
status of a high-photon-number approximation to QED, an ether
theory needs to do more than simply reproduce the results
of classical electrodynamics.
Conclusion
This leads to an interesting final conclusion: the photon
hypothesis strongly suggest that some kind of emission theory
of light should be correct. However, old corpuscular theories
of light and the emission theories suggested in opposition to
special relativity failed to match observation and experiment.
Ether theories, on the other hand, proved remarkably resilient
and could be modified to accomodate the new evidence. This
will be explored further in part 3.
--=20
Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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| User: "Ilja Schmelzer" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
18 Oct 2005 02:53:43 AM |
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"Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
to be explained?
That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some axioms.
How to explain why these axioms hold?
If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
of ordinary matter?
The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a distance.
If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then it is clear
that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also waves of the
same medium. Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
forces.
The other is quantisation of light. ....
How can this be explained by classical mechanical waves in
an ether?
Why do you think that ether theory has to be classical?
an ether theory needs to do more than simply reproduce the results
of classical electrodynamics.
Of course. It has to reproduce GR and the SM.
GR is reproduces in gr-qc/0205035. Reproduction of the SM is not yet
finished, I have reproduced the fermionic part and I'm finishing the gauge
part (it gives the Pati-Salam theory with gauge group SU(3)_c x SU(2)_L x
SU(2)_R x U(1)_(B-L))
Then it should be quantized. Of course, it is much simpler to quantize an
ether theory (some discrete medium in flat three-dimensional space with
absolute time) than GR.
No problem of time, no infinities (the atomic structure of the ether defines
a regularization), possibility of canonical quantization using absolute time
and space.
Ilja
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
18 Oct 2005 09:01:39 PM |
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"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in message
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| "Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
| > Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
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| See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
|
| > However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
| > first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
| > ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
| > to be explained?
|
| That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some axioms.
| How to explain why these axioms hold?
|
| > If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
| > distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
| > to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
| > of ordinary matter?
|
| The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a
distance.
|
| If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then it is
clear
| that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also waves
of the
| same medium. Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
| forces.
Yep. And IMHO, it is the only way to have successful "true"
unification.
FrediFizzx
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
19 Oct 2005 01:41:58 AM |
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| "Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in
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|| "Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
|| > Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
||
|| See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
||
|| > However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
|| > first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
|| > ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
|| > to be explained?
||
|| That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some axioms.
|| How to explain why these axioms hold?
||
|| > If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
|| > distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
|| > to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
|| > of ordinary matter?
||
|| The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a
| distance.
Ok, the aim of your aether theory is not that you don't like action
at a distance.
The aim of your aether theory is that you do like action at a distance.
So do I, but I don't need an aether theory for that.
So what is the aim of your aether theory?
||
|| If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then
(Proposition A)
ELSE
(Proposition B)
Propostion A: it is clear ( a term Einstein used extensively, followed
by a lie)
|| that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also waves
| of the
|| same medium.
Nope. Not clear at all.
What about proposition B, the speed of light is NOT related with some
medium?
Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
|| forces.
|
| Yep.
Nope.
| And IMHO, it is the only way to have successful "true"
| unification.
IMHO, you ignore empirical data. Therefore you can have
a successful pat each other on the back, that's about all.
Androcles.
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| User: "Ilja Schmelzer" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
19 Oct 2005 02:47:03 AM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> schrieb
"FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote
| "Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote
|| "Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
|| > Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
||
|| See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
||
|| > However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
|| > first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
|| > ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
|| > to be explained?
||
|| That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some axioms.
|| How to explain why these axioms hold?
||
|| > If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
|| > distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
|| > to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
|| > of ordinary matter?
||
|| The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a
|| distance.
Ok, the aim of your aether theory is not that you don't like action
at a distance.
The aim of your aether theory is that you do like action at a distance.
Doesn't follow. The aim of my ether theory is something completely
different.
So what is the aim of your aether theory?
There are many aims. Mostly to solve problems of modern physics.
Like quantization of gravity, unification of all forces and fields.
|| If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then
(Proposition A)
ELSE
(Proposition B)
Propostion A: it is clear ( a term Einstein used extensively, followed
by a lie)
|| that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also waves
|| of the same medium.
Nope. Not clear at all.
For me its clear. To use an ether to explain EM wave but not weak and strong
forces seems nonsensical.
What about proposition B, the speed of light is NOT related with some
medium?
I don't care.
|| Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
|| forces.
| Yep.
Nope.
At least it is my approach to the unification of all forces.
IMHO, you ignore empirical data.
I'm a theoretician. I don't want to care much about empirical data.
Fortunately, where are a lot of data which I can savely ignore: If I'm able
to obtain the SM and GR as limits of my ether theory (finished for GR, quite
close for the SM) this allows me to explain all data currently explained by
SM and GR. Thus, these data I can ignore.
It is only the next step where I have to care about empirical data: The step
where I have to consider the differences in the predictions of my ether
theory in comparison with GR and SM. In case of gravity this happens, for
example, near the black hole horizon and near the big bang singularity.
Which data do you have in mind?
Ilja
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
19 Oct 2005 07:11:50 AM |
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"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in message
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| "Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> schrieb
| > "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote
| > | "Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote
| > || "Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
| > || > Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
| > ||
| > || See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
| > ||
| > || > However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
| > || > first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
| > || > ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction
| > || > to be explained?
| > ||
| > || That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some
axioms.
| > || How to explain why these axioms hold?
| > ||
| > || > If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
| > || > distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
| > || > to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
| > || > of ordinary matter?
| > ||
| > || The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a
| > || distance.
| >
| > Ok, the aim of your aether theory is not that you don't like action
| > at a distance.
| > The aim of your aether theory is that you do like action at a
distance.
|
| Doesn't follow.
Of course it follows.
"not that I don't like action at a distance."
"NOT that I do NOT like action at a distance"
Double negative, remove it.
"that I do like action at a distance"
The aim of your aether theory is that you do like action at a distance.
The aim of my ether theory is something completely
| different.
Whatever it is, you do NOT follow the established rules of logic.
|
| > So what is the aim of your aether theory?
|
| There are many aims. Mostly to solve problems of modern physics.
Ok, here's a problem in modern physics.
Observation:
http://www.britastro.org/vss/gifc/00918-ck.gif
Here's an explanation:
http://www.ebicom.net/~rsf1/sekerin.htm (fig 3)
Herer's your aether theory explanation:
Stars explode twice in three months.
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| Like quantization of gravity, unification of all forces and fields.
You don't have the math for that, you have an aether "theory".
|
| > || If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then
| > (Proposition A)
| > ELSE
| > (Proposition B)
| >
| > Propostion A: it is clear ( a term Einstein used extensively,
followed
| > by a lie)
| > || that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also
waves
| > || of the same medium.
| > Nope. Not clear at all.
|
| For me its clear.
Then make it clear to me, or I'll simply ignore your theory.
To use an ether to explain EM wave but not weak and strong
| forces seems nonsensical.
Who's using aether to explain EM wave?
Certainly not me.
|
| > What about proposition B, the speed of light is NOT related with
some
| > medium?
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| I don't care.
Ah... That solves problems in modern physics. You don't care.
Well, I don't care about your theory then.
|
| > || Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
| > || forces.
| > | Yep.
| >
| > Nope.
|
| At least it is my approach to the unification of all forces.
|
| > IMHO, you ignore empirical data.
|
| I'm a theoretician. I don't want to care much about empirical data.
Ok. Not much use for solving problems in modern physics, not
wanting to care and ignoring empirical data.
I'm a theoretician too. My theory is bright green flying elephants
lay eggs in black holes. If you come across a black hole, check
to see if there are any eggs inside for me, would you? Even a
broken shell will do.
| Fortunately, where are a lot of data which I can savely ignore: If I'm
able
| to obtain the SM and GR as limits of my ether theory (finished for GR,
quite
| close for the SM) this allows me to explain all data currently
explained by
| SM and GR. Thus, these data I can ignore.
|
| It is only the next step where I have to care about empirical data:
The step
| where I have to consider the differences in the predictions of my
ether
| theory in comparison with GR and SM. In case of gravity this happens,
for
| example, near the black hole horizon and near the big bang
singularity.
|
| Which data do you have in mind?
This data:
http://www.britastro.org/vss/
It won't interest you, you are theoretician.
Have a nice day.
Androcles.
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
18 Oct 2005 09:16:35 PM |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 19:01:39 -0700, "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in message
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| "Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> schrieb
| > Any ether theorists out there willing to make predictions?
|
| See gr-qc/0205035 and my other papers at arxiv.org
|
| > However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
| > first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
| > ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this interaction
| > to be explained?
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| That's a problem for every fundamental theory. It has some axioms.
| How to explain why these axioms hold?
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| > If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a
| > distance without further explanation, then why is it necessary
| > to invoke an ether to explain interaction between particles
| > of ordinary matter?
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| The aim of my ether theory is not that I don't like action at a
distance.
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| If the speed of light is a speed related with some medium, then it is
clear
| that all the other fields of the SM as well as gravity are also waves
of the
| same medium. Thus, ether theory is one approach to unification of all
| forces.
Yep. And IMHO, it is the only way to have successful "true"
unification.
Are you reading this Mr. Cain???
Evidence is in the eye of the beholder...
Paul Stowe
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Paul Stowe wrote:
Are you reading this Mr. Cain???
Watching carefully. :-)
Evidence is in the eye of the beholder...
Waiting for some to be presented.
Bob
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"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
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"Timo Nieminen" <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:
....[trimmed for brevity]...
Ether theories, on the other hand, proved remarkably resilient
and could be modified to accomodate the new evidence. This
will be explored further in part 3.
I noted that this is reserved for special relativity.
Do you plan to bring into your account a discussion
of light and GR and/or other theories of gravity?
Well summarised and presented material.
Looked forward to this second article
and was not disappointed.
--
Pete Brown
Falls Creek
OZ
www.mountainman.com.au
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:32:14 +1000, Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au>
wrote:
Abstract
This is the second section of a discussion in three posts
on theories of light. This part is about ether theories of
light; the first part was about emission theories, and the
final part is about light in the framework of the special
theory of relativity.
The ether is often dealt with in accounts of optics,
electromagnetics, or relativity by the simple, but
insufficient, "the Michelson-Morley experiment proved that
there was no ether". While appealing in its simplicity,
this fails to capture either the scientific or the
historical aspects. A closer look at why conventional
physics abandoned the ether is worthwhile.
And painful for some... :)
BTW, your part one was right on, emission ballistic theory
is DOA...
[Snip (of references)...]
Introduction
...[Snip]... With the benefit of hindsight, knowing that
light is an electromagnetic wave, we can treat the
postulated luminiferous and electromagnetic ethers as
identical from the beginning.
In fact, by the concept of KISS, & unification, "there can
be only one"... :) Which must include all phenomena.
The earliest ether theory that can be called "scientific"
in the modern sense is perhaps that of Huygens (see Crew
1900 for a translation of Huygens work). Into the corpuscule
wave debate stepped Huygens, who rejected corpuscular theories
on the basis that counter-propagating rays of light do not
disturb each other. Transmission of light through a vacuum
then shows that the luminiferous medium - the ether - is not
ordinary matter.
It was rather silly, in retrospect, to think that it was.
Huygens concluded that the ether, like gases and liquids, was
composed of small particles, but composed of much smaller
ether molecules, able to freely move among the particles of
gases and liquids, and also able to penetrate the pores of
solid bodies, which must "have a structure similar to that of
a sponge." Due to the great speed at which light waves travel,
the ether molecules must be extremely hard.
That last assumption isn't necessary.
Young (1802) successfully explained most known optical phenomena
in terms of waves in a highly elastic ether. Young noted the
smallness of the wavelength of light (accurately) and the
exceedingly high frequencies of the waves (inaccurately, since
he assumed a value for the speed of light approximately half
the true value).
Difficulties remained however - polarisation of light was
unexplainable while light waves were assumed to be pressure
waves in the ether, analagous to sound waves in air. The key
element in the general acceptance of the wave theory of light
was the explanation of polarised light by Fresnel in terms of
transverse waves in the ether (Frankel 1976).
That light consists of transverse waves, and only transverse waves,
has some important consequences for ether theories:
I think more so for the structure & possible responses of
physical matter (I'll expand on this below)...
... an ether that behaves like an atomic gas, with "ether atoms"
that basically bounce off each other during collisions can only
support longitudinal waves, not transverse waves.
Not quite true. What is true is that simple irrotational gases
cannot support transverse waves since there exist not resorative
element(s).
Thus, Huygen's gas-like ether was ruled out.
Not for an underpinning system. However, for macroscopic
phenomena, sure...
An ether, then, must be either fundamentally continuous, or, if
"atomic", consist of particles that can interact at a distance.
Continuous can be summarily ruled out by observation. Several
in fact as you ellude to in your closing.
Electromagnetism
The early history of electromagnetic theory and experiment
following Oersted's discovery shows very rapid progress, with
Ampere, Biot, Savart, and Faraday rapidly completing the
foundations that would be needed for a unified theory of
electromagnetism.
While continental attempts at explaining electromagnetic
phenomena were based firmly on action-at-a-distance in true
Newtonian style,
Newton summarily rejected action-at-a-distance as logically
unteniable. I would (and do) not attribute this concept to
Newton or Newtonian physics. In fact, the main reason and
evidence for aether was this observation. Another was, of
course, light.
Faraday was picturing electromagnetism in terms of lines of
force ...
Which is called today, streamlines in fluid dynamics...
... connecting charges. Incidentally, Faraday also discovered
some phenomena that complicated the early simple ether theory
of light, such as Faraday rotation.
Following the beginning made by Faraday, and work by W. Thomson,
Maxwell (1861-1862, 1865) then obtained a unified theory of
electromagnetism based on the mechanical properties of the ether.
Maxwell (1865) showed that the speed of electromagnetic waves
in the ether was equal to the speed of light, ...
Actually Timo it's in part III on pages 21-22 of his 1861-62 work.
See for youreself.
... leading to the conclusion that the luminiferous medium and
the electromagnetic ether were the one and same thing.
Maxwell (1861-1862) explicitly used vortices in a fluid to model
magnetic fields, showing the properties that the fluid and the
vortices ...
Not just any vortices, but a equally sized "quantized" pattern
(3D lattice) and in so doing predicting the existence of Benard
cells.
... therein must have if this was to be the mechanical explanation
of magnetic fields. Despite his success, there remained some severe
problems; it is worth quoting Maxwell on this:
- We have yet given no answer to the questions, "How
are these vortices set in rotation?" and "Why are
they arranged according to the known laws of force
about magnets and currents?" These questions are
certainly of a higher order of difficulty than either
of the former; and I wish to separate the suggestions
I may offer by way of provisional answer to them, from
[the answers to the earlier questions].-
In Maxwell's later work, he appears to step back from his earlier
model:
I have on a former occasion attempted to describe a particular
kind of motion and a particular kind of strain, so arranged as
to account for the phenomena. In the present paper I avoid any
hypothesis of this kind (Maxwell 1865)
At that juncture the foundation had been laid he need only
utilize the known mathematical tools specific to the job of
describing the bulk behavior of such systems, those known as
Continuum Mechanics. Had he lived to see the advent of quantum
theory he most certainly would have revisited this earlier work.
The theory proposed in the preceding pages is evidently of a
provisional kind, resting as it does on unproved hypotheses
relating to the nature of molecular vortices, and the mode in
which they are affected by the displacement of the medium. We
must therefore regard any coincidence with observed facts as of
much less scientific value in the theory of the magnetic
rotation of the plane of polarization than in the electromagnetic
theory of light, which, though it involves hypotheses about the
electric properties of media, does not speculate as to the
consitution of their molecules. (Maxwell 1873)
Despite these reservations, Maxwell remained firmly committed to the
idea of a medium, closing his Treatise (1873) with "Hence all these
theories lead to the conception of a medium in which the propagation
takes place".
Maxwell was meticuous and wanted to clear delineate the known
from unknown or provisional. He was firmly convinced that the
vortex model was the right foundation but also realized that
the mathematical where-with-all to deal with this on a
fundamental level (extremmely turbulent chaotic organized
systems) did not yet exist. Does it yet???
The downfall of the ether
Early experiments and observations (Fizeau-Fresnel ether drag and
aberration) suggested that the ether was "stationary". It is worth
pointing out that, at the time, it was believed that our galaxy
was quite small, and, furthermore, that our (small) galaxy might
constitute the entire universe. "Stationary", therefore, should be
taken to mean stationary relative to the universe as a whole.
This, then, suggested the possibility of determining the motion
of the earth through the ether by electromagnetic or optical means.
Maxwell (1880) himself noted the possibility, and the attempts
to actually measure the motion of the earth are well-known
(eg the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble, etc), as
is the fact that all yielded a null result. (Let us not be
diverted by the Miller arguments! Even if Miller's result
was a genuine non-null result, it still rules out a
stationary ether.)
Do you really think Maxwell ignored of was unaware of Earth's
rotation and orbital motion? Not to mention the spiral rotation
of the galaxy. If not, then he knew also that all of Faraday's
finding & measurements were made in systems that MUST! not be
'at rest' in any aether. He explicitly took no account for this
motion when evaluating EM systems, and stated explicitly that
only relative motion between various E & M elements is necessary
to account for all the phenomena he modeled. Thus, as we know,
Maxwell's expressions were already Lorentz covariant as originally
penned. It was this fact that was at the bottom of the of the
so-called relativity crisis when OTHERS! (namely Heavyside & Hertz)
tried to modify these equation in the traditional manner to account
for the motion of a complete system thru the aether. As far as
I am aware, it was not Maxwell that did so.
Contrary to the modern simplification that ether was therefore
proved to exist, active experimentation to determine the
properties of the ether continued (eg looking for ether drag in
the vicinity of moving massive bodies), as did theoretical
investigations (for example, Larmor's monumental work). As is
quite well known, investigations of this nature led to Lorentz
developing a theory that explained all known observations and
experiments to date.
Yes. I what is funny is, again, as far as I am aware, Lorentz
never indicates any overt awareness of Maxwell's original model.
Special relativity offered a simpler alternative to the rather
ad hoc modifications to ether theories to accomodate the
"experimental foundations of special relativity", and it is
within reason to state that special relativity eliminated the
need for ether. This is, however, historically inaccurate, ...
Quite true as Einstein himself later acknowledged.
... at least in a strict sense. Lorenz had already formulated
a theory of electromagetism, including the identification of
light as an electromagnetic wave, without recourse to ether.
Lorenz's work, however, does not seem to have attracted much
notice (Keller 2002).
The actual downfall of the ether was more complex. Firstly,
EInstein's theory of special relativity attracted little
attention in England until 1920, and work on ether proceeded
in the meantime. This led to some serious theoretical difficulties:
if the ether was continuous, then the interaction of matter
with the ether would result in the rapid cooling of matter
(Jeans 1905, 1922) - essentially the ultraviolet catastrophe
in ether guise. The inability of the continuous ether to deal
with such difficulties led to its demise.
As well it should. Continuous is not plausible.
Possible ethers?
As noted above, "atomic" gas-like ethers are ruled out,
I'd say simple irrotational gas-like is ruled out. It is
the rotating action & reactions that can give rise to very
complicated behavior.
...and continuous ethers are ruled out.
Total agree, Sorry Henri Wilson :)
What remains - perhaps the possibility of an "atomic" fluid
or solid ether. If fluid, the ether must be able to support
transverse waves, which, perhaps, suggests the possibility of
a superfluid.
What about a supersolid?
One practical problem remains: the absence of longitudinal
waves; while solids and superfluids can indeed support
transverse waves, they also support longitudinal waves,
which are not observed.
The key here is, "not observed". What if the very nature of
matter is impervious to reacting to the P component. A
very crude analogy would be how a spider's web responds to
simple loginitudinal pulses.
An interesting idea is that atomic ethers are experimentally
testable - there must be a lower limit to the wavelength
of undulations in the ether. Any ether theorists out there
willing to make predictions? If we are moving through such an
ether, then presumably the lower limit is also anisotropic.
Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so? I do agree that
the very same thing that prevents the UV catastrophe also
set a lower wave length (upper frequency) limit. But, that
isn't based upon any supersolid (vortices) interaction or
spacing. In a Maxwellian vortex lattice the lattice itself
is composed of vortex cells that act as the solid medium.
Thus the 'super' solid. These have all of the basic
characteristics of a medium. A mean interaction distance
(length) and a discrete momenta. However, the vortices must,
in turn, consist of much smaller & more tightly packed
entities of some sort. It is those that form the vortices.
As frequency increases, the burden will shift from propagating
on the vortex lattice to propagating on these entities forming
the sub strata.
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction to be explained?
Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a distance without
further explanation, then why is it necessary to invoke an
ether to explain interaction between particles of ordinary
matter?
Why is it necessary to invoke the Big Bang hypothesis? The
answer to this is also the answer to your question above.
The other is quantisation of light. Consider the emission
of light by a dipole. Classically, the light is emitted in
the radiation pattern of a dipole oscillator. The wave spreads
out in space. Quantumly, if a single photon is emitted, only
a single photon is detected, and the single photon is detected
at a point, not spread out in the manner of the classical wave.
How can this be explained by classical mechanical waves in
an ether? With classical electrodynamics having essentially the
status of a high-photon-number approximation to QED, an ether
theory needs to do more than simply reproduce the results
of classical electrodynamics.
A related question. Sound waves are defined by both frequency
AND amplitude. Light has no direct analog for amplitude. See
the concept of phonons.
Conclusion
This leads to an interesting final conclusion: the photon
hypothesis strongly suggest that some kind of emission theory
of light should be correct. However, old corpuscular theories
of light and the emission theories suggested in opposition to
special relativity failed to match observation and experiment.
Ether theories, on the other hand, proved remarkably resilient
and could be modified to accomodate the new evidence. This
will be explored further in part 3.
Great, looking forward to it.
Paul Stowe
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19 Oct 2005 03:00:36 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so?
In my SM ether model the gauge group is
U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam). To give the
observed fields we need a symmetry breaking. One of the three
directions of the two groups SU(2) should be preferred, gives
the EM field.
But these three generators are in my ether model associated
with directions in space. Thus, the symmetry breaking gives an
anisotropy in space.
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction to be explained?
Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells. Each cell
may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation. In principle, the
interaction between these elementary cell may be generated by contact
forces.
Ilja
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19 Oct 2005 10:00:50 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:00:36 +0200, "Ilja Schmelzer"
<q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so?
In my SM ether model the gauge group is
U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam). To give the
observed fields we need a symmetry breaking. One of the three
directions of the two groups SU(2) should be preferred, gives
the EM field.
But these three generators are in my ether model associated
with directions in space. Thus, the symmetry breaking gives an
anisotropy in space.
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction to be explained?
Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells. Each cell
may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation. In principle, the
interaction between these elementary cell may be generated by contact
forces.
Indeed, in my mind your cells match Maxwell's cells of his vortex
lattice model.
Paul Stowe
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21 Oct 2005 12:17:01 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
<q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote:
In my SM ether model the gauge group is
U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam).
....
My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells. Each
cell
may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation. In principle, the
interaction between these elementary cell may be generated by contact
forces.
Indeed, in my mind your cells match Maxwell's cells of his vortex
lattice model.
But the purpose is different. I want to explain the SM, not only EM.
Ilja
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21 Oct 2005 01:45:01 AM |
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"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in message
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| "Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
| > <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote:
| > >In my SM ether model the gauge group is
| > >
| > >U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
| > >
| > >This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam).
| ...
| > > My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells.
Each
| cell
| > > may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation. In principle,
the
| > > interaction between these elementary cell may be generated by
contact
| > > forces.
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| > Indeed, in my mind your cells match Maxwell's cells of his vortex
| > lattice model.
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| But the purpose is different. I want to explain the SM, not only EM.
I think that is also Paul's point. Maxwell's cells could also produce
the SM and are actually related to more than just EM.
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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22 Oct 2005 10:59:05 AM |
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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:45:01 -0700, "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in message
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| "Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
|> <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote:
|>> In my SM ether model the gauge group is
|>>
|>> U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
|>>
|>>This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam). ...
|>> My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells.
|>> Each cell may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation.
|>> In principle, the interaction between these elementary cell may
|>> be generated by contact forces.
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|> Indeed, in my mind your cells match Maxwell's cells of his vortex
|> lattice model.
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| But the purpose is different. I want to explain the SM, not only EM.
I think that is also Paul's point.
Indeed...
Maxwell's cells could also produce the SM and are actually related
to more than just EM.
and the quantum nature of things. One point to remember is, in
1861-62 anything quantum OR related to the SM was not yet known.
You cannot fault Maxwell for that.
Paul Stowe
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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22 Oct 2005 02:25:01 PM |
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"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> wrote in message
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| On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 23:45:01 -0700, "FrediFizzx"
<fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
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| >"Ilja Schmelzer" <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote in
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| >| "Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> schrieb
| >|> <q6867901@mailstore.fernuni-hagen.de> wrote:
| >|>> In my SM ether model the gauge group is
| >|>>
| >|>> U(3)_c x SU(2)_L x SU(2)_R.
| >|>>
| >|>>This is a variant of the standard model (Pati Salam). ...
| >|>> My ether model may be close to this. I have a lattice of cells.
| >|>> Each cell may be deformed, by a simple affine transformation.
| >|>> In principle, the interaction between these elementary cell may
| >|>> be generated by contact forces.
| >|
| >|> Indeed, in my mind your cells match Maxwell's cells of his vortex
| >|> lattice model.
| >|
| >| But the purpose is different. I want to explain the SM, not only
EM.
| >
| > I think that is also Paul's point.
|
| Indeed...
|
| > Maxwell's cells could also produce the SM and are actually related
| > to more than just EM.
|
| and the quantum nature of things. One point to remember is, in
| 1861-62 anything quantum OR related to the SM was not yet known.
| You cannot fault Maxwell for that.
|
| Paul Stowe
A possible connection from Maxwell to baryonic matter?
http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/Papers/Monopoles%20Preview%20Paper.pdf
http://home.nycap.rr.com/jry/FermionMass.htm
Jay Yablon has done a tremendous amount of work on this aspect.
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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18 Oct 2005 11:14:17 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Paul Stowe wrote:
Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:
Following the beginning made by Faraday, and work by W. Thomson,
Maxwell (1861-1862, 1865) then obtained a unified theory of
electromagnetism based on the mechanical properties of the ether.
Maxwell (1865) showed that the speed of electromagnetic waves
in the ether was equal to the speed of light, ...
Actually Timo it's in part III on pages 21-22 of his 1861-62 work.
See for youreself.
So it is.
Despite these reservations, Maxwell remained firmly committed to the
idea of a medium, closing his Treatise (1873) with "Hence all these
theories lead to the conception of a medium in which the propagation
takes place".
Maxwell was meticuous and wanted to clear delineate the known
from unknown or provisional. He was firmly convinced that the
vortex model was the right foundation but also realized that
the mathematical where-with-all to deal with this on a
fundamental level (extremmely turbulent chaotic organized
systems) did not yet exist. Does it yet???
Not the last time I looked. There was interesting progress made on
modelling turbulent flow in the solar atmosphere a decade ago. Necessary
to resort to statistical treatment of the turbulence at smaller scales,
but it was a good start. Supercomputer-fodder, IIRC. I've been out of that
field since then, so I don't know what's current. I expect that the
cut-off scale could be lower these days, but nothing fundamentally
different. Reynolds numbers of 10^9 are yucky-poo when it comes to
numerical solution of the actual equations for the fluid flow.
Early experiments and observations (Fizeau-Fresnel ether drag and
aberration) suggested that the ether was "stationary". It is worth
pointing out that, at the time, it was believed that our galaxy
was quite small, and, furthermore, that our (small) galaxy might
constitute the entire universe. "Stationary", therefore, should be
taken to mean stationary relative to the universe as a whole.
This, then, suggested the possibility of determining the motion
of the earth through the ether by electromagnetic or optical means.
Maxwell (1880) himself noted the possibility, and the attempts
to actually measure the motion of the earth are well-known
(eg the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble, etc), as
is the fact that all yielded a null result. (Let us not be
diverted by the Miller arguments! Even if Miller's result
was a genuine non-null result, it still rules out a
stationary ether.)
Do you really think Maxwell ignored of was unaware of Earth's
rotation and orbital motion? Not to mention the spiral rotation
of the galaxy.
Was the spiral rotation of the the galaxy known at the time? It was known
that the solar system as a whole appeared to be moving relative to the
other stars on average; Herschel did some work on this in the early 1800s.
Maxwell's 1880 letter makes it pretty clear that he was interested in
trying to find out more about the motion of the earth & sun through the
ether. He also didn't think that any (existing) terrestrial experiment
could yield anything useful.
If not, then he knew also that all of Faraday's
finding & measurements were made in systems that MUST! not be
'at rest' in any aether. He explicitly took no account for this
motion when evaluating EM systems, and stated explicitly that
only relative motion between various E & M elements is necessary
to account for all the phenomena he modeled. Thus, as we know,
Maxwell's expressions were already Lorentz covariant as originally
penned. It was this fact that was at the bottom of the of the
so-called relativity crisis when OTHERS! (namely Heavyside & Hertz)
tried to modify these equation in the traditional manner to account
for the motion of a complete system thru the aether. As far as
I am aware, it was not Maxwell that did so.
See eg art 619 in Treatise. In modern notation, Maxwell writes
D=eE
but notice that Maxwell's E is not the modern E; Maxwell's E is
E = VxB - dA/dt - grad Phi,
differing by the first, velocity-dependent, term. The modern treatment
would be to use E = -dA/dt - grad Phi, and put the velocity dependent part
into the permittivity. Maxwell discusses the non-effect of such velocity
dependence on closed circuits in arts 600-601.
An interesting idea is that atomic ethers are experimentally
testable - there must be a lower limit to the wavelength
of undulations in the ether. Any ether theorists out there
willing to make predictions? If we are moving through such an
ether, then presumably the lower limit is also anisotropic.
Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so?
Relative to a stationary ether, it should be isotropic; if we move through
a stationary ether, Doppler shift means that it should appear anisotropic
to us.
I do agree that
the very same thing that prevents the UV catastrophe also
set a lower wave length (upper frequency) limit.
The photon hypothesis happily prevents the UV catastrophe _without_
setting an upper frequency limit. If, instead, an upper frequency
limit prevents the UV catastrophe, does the Planck function still result
for blackbody radiation?
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction to be explained?
Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
Back to the problem of simple gas-like ethers not supporting transverse
waves. The substances we know of that support transverse waves do say by
interaction-at-a-distance. If it's a purely bouncing-off-each-other
thing, then they can't interact anymore if they get pulled apart - thus no
elastic forces.
Sure, you can postulate interaction-at-a-distance between etherons, but if
that interaction isn't explained, then what does the introduction of an
ether in the first place explain?
If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a distance without
further explanation, then why is it necessary to invoke an
ether to explain interaction between particles of ordinary
matter?
Why is it necessary to invoke the Big Bang hypothesis? The
answer to this is also the answer to your question above.
I must disagree. The Big Bang is suggested by observed expansion; run it
back in time and the Big Bang is the natural result. My point above is
asking just what an ether model explains, if it itself contains
unexplained distant forces.
A related question. Sound waves are defined by both frequency
AND amplitude. Light has no direct analog for amplitude.
Sure it does, at least in the classical regime. Eg, AM radio. Which
suggests an idea I should have included in the original post: if EM waves
are mechanical waves in an ether, what is the
displacement/velocity/angular velocity (or whatever the wave actually is,
mechanically speaking) in metres/metres per sec. etc for an EM wave of a
given amplitude?
--
Timo Nieminen - Home page: http://www.physics.uq.edu.au/people/nieminen/
E-prints: http://eprint.uq.edu.au/view/person/Nieminen,_Timo_A..html
Shrine to Spirits: http://www.users.bigpond.com/timo_nieminen/spirits.html
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
19 Oct 2005 09:58:49 PM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:14:17 +1000, Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au>
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Paul Stowe wrote:
Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:
Following the beginning made by Faraday, and work by W. Thomson,
Maxwell (1861-1862, 1865) then obtained a unified theory of
electromagnetism based on the mechanical properties of the ether.
Maxwell (1865) showed that the speed of electromagnetic waves
in the ether was equal to the speed of light, ...
Actually Timo it's in part III on pages 21-22 of his 1861-62 work.
See for youreself.
So it is.
Despite these reservations, Maxwell remained firmly committed to the
idea of a medium, closing his Treatise (1873) with "Hence all these
theories lead to the conception of a medium in which the propagation
takes place".
Maxwell was meticuous and wanted to clear delineate the known
from unknown or provisional. He was firmly convinced that the
vortex model was the right foundation but also realized that
the mathematical where-with-all to deal with this on a
fundamental level (extremmely turbulent chaotic organized
systems) did not yet exist. Does it yet???
Not the last time I looked.
Yup, didn't think I'd miss that. :)
There was interesting progress made on modelling turbulent flow in
the solar atmosphere a decade ago. Necessary to resort to statistical
treatment of the turbulence at smaller scales, but it was a good start.
Supercomputer-fodder, IIRC.
Up until now, that the only way that the analyses can be done.
Finite element monti-carlo.
I've been out of that field since then, so I don't know what's
current. I expect that the cut-off scale could be lower these
days, but nothing fundamentally different. Reynolds numbers of
10^9 are yucky-poo when it comes to numerical solution of the
actual equations for the fluid flow.
I know. I am just amazed at Maxwell's insights...
Early experiments and observations (Fizeau-Fresnel ether drag and
aberration) suggested that the ether was "stationary". It is worth
pointing out that, at the time, it was believed that our galaxy
was quite small, and, furthermore, that our (small) galaxy might
constitute the entire universe. "Stationary", therefore, should be
taken to mean stationary relative to the universe as a whole.
This, then, suggested the possibility of determining the motion
of the earth through the ether by electromagnetic or optical means.
Maxwell (1880) himself noted the possibility, and the attempts
to actually measure the motion of the earth are well-known
(eg the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble, etc), as
is the fact that all yielded a null result. (Let us not be
diverted by the Miller arguments! Even if Miller's result
was a genuine non-null result, it still rules out a
stationary ether.)
Do you really think Maxwell ignored of was unaware of Earth's
rotation and orbital motion? Not to mention the spiral rotation
of the galaxy.
Was the spiral rotation of the the galaxy known at the time?
Yes, but how widely known this was, I don't know.
It was known that the solar system as a whole appeared to be moving
relative to the other stars on average; Herschel did some work on
this in the early 1800s.
Maxwell's 1880 letter makes it pretty clear that he was interested
in trying to find out more about the motion of the earth & sun
through the ether. He also didn't think that any (existing) terrestrial
experiment could yield anything useful.
Indeed, IIRC he wrote a letter around 1870 stating that he had
determined all experiments based upon the first order (v/c) can
be ruled out, he seriously doubted that any of the second order
([v/c]^2) would be any better.
If not, then he knew also that all of Faraday's
finding & measurements were made in systems that MUST! not be
'at rest' in any aether. He explicitly took no account for this
motion when evaluating EM systems, and stated explicitly that
only relative motion between various E & M elements is necessary
to account for all the phenomena he modeled. Thus, as we know,
Maxwell's expressions were already Lorentz covariant as originally
penned. It was this fact that was at the bottom of the of the
so-called relativity crisis when OTHERS! (namely Heavyside & Hertz)
tried to modify these equation in the traditional manner to account
for the motion of a complete system thru the aether. As far as
I am aware, it was not Maxwell that did so.
See eg art 619 in Treatise. In modern notation, Maxwell writes
D = eE
but notice that Maxwell's E is not the modern E; Maxwell's E is
E = VxB - dA/dt - grad Phi,
differing by the first, velocity-dependent, term. The modern
treatment would be to use E = -dA/dt - grad Phi, and put the
velocity dependent part into the permittivity. Maxwell discusses
the non-effect of such velocity dependence on closed circuits in
arts 600-601.
Which would seem to confirm that he did not 'forget' Earth's
motion.
An interesting idea is that atomic ethers are experimentally
testable - there must be a lower limit to the wavelength
of undulations in the ether. Any ether theorists out there
willing to make predictions? If we are moving through such an
ether, then presumably the lower limit is also anisotropic.
Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so?
Relative to a stationary ether, it should be isotropic; if we move
through a stationary ether, Doppler shift means that it should
appear anisotropic to us.
Does it not for the global CMBR frame (the preffered frame for GR
analyses)? But I was speaking to Local Lorentz covariance.
Because, if matter is distorted (shortened), that effect should be
canceled observationally.
I do agree that the very same thing that prevents the UV
catastrophe also set a lower wave length (upper frequency) limit.
The photon hypothesis happily prevents the UV catastrophe _without_
setting an upper frequency limit. If, instead, an upper frequency
limit prevents the UV catastrophe, does the Planck function still
result for blackbody radiation?
Short answer, I pretty sure it does. Ask yourself why there isn't
an ultrasonic catastrophe? Same reason, a finite positive effective
Action parameter (& low wavelength cutout).
However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
interaction to be explained?
Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
Back to the problem of simple gas-like ethers not supporting
transverse waves. The substances we know of that support transverse
waves do so by interaction-at-a-distance. If it's a purely
bouncing-off-each-other thing, ...
I'd say more like rattling a cage...
... then they can't interact anymore if they get pulled apart - thus
no elastic forces.
It's all in the rotation interactions by Bernoulli effects. I agree
if you were talking purely irrotational.
Sure, you can postulate interaction-at-a-distance between etherons,
but if that interaction isn't explained, then what does the
introduction of an ether in the first place explain?
The entire structure of, and a mechanism for, distributed field
effects.
If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a distance without
further explanation, then why is it necessary to invoke an
ether to explain interaction between particles of ordinary
matter?
Why is it necessary to invoke the Big Bang hypothesis? The
answer to this is also the answer to your question above.
I must disagree. The Big Bang is suggested by observed expansion;
run it back in time and the Big Bang is the natural result. My
point above is asking just what an ether model explains, if it
itself contains unexplained distant forces.
The very same thing. The ether is suggested by observed distributed
(otherwise decoupled) 'field effects'. Work out the mechanics (as
Maxwell did) and these can be explained. I'd say the Big Bang has
much that is, within it contexr, unexplained.
A related question. Sound waves are defined by both frequency
AND amplitude. Light has no direct analog for amplitude.
Sure it does, at least in the classical regime. Eg, AM radio. Which
suggests an idea I should have included in the original post: if EM
waves are mechanical waves in an ether, what is the
displacement/velocity/angular velocity (or whatever the wave actually
is, mechanically speaking) in metres/metres per sec. etc for an EM
wave of a given amplitude?
With the photon model how does one get varying amplitudes for a single
photon a fixed frequency? I think this same question will apply to a
single phonon.
Paul Stowe
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| User: "FrediFizzx" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
20 Oct 2005 01:04:05 AM |
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"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> wrote in message
news:6uudl11f1o40it4j3gvj6j9cnksdrpg1v8@4ax.com...
| On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:14:17 +1000, Timo Nieminen
<timo@physics.uq.edu.au>
| wrote:
|
| >On Wed, 19 Oct 2005, Paul Stowe wrote:
| >
| >> Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:
| >>
| >>> Following the beginning made by Faraday, and work by W. Thomson,
| >>> Maxwell (1861-1862, 1865) then obtained a unified theory of
| >>> electromagnetism based on the mechanical properties of the ether.
| >>> Maxwell (1865) showed that the speed of electromagnetic waves
| >>> in the ether was equal to the speed of light, ...
| >>
| >> Actually Timo it's in part III on pages 21-22 of his 1861-62 work.
| >> See for youreself.
| >
| > So it is.
| >
| >>> Despite these reservations, Maxwell remained firmly committed to
the
| >>> idea of a medium, closing his Treatise (1873) with "Hence all
these
| >>> theories lead to the conception of a medium in which the
propagation
| >>> takes place".
| >>
| >> Maxwell was meticuous and wanted to clear delineate the known
| >> from unknown or provisional. He was firmly convinced that the
| >> vortex model was the right foundation but also realized that
| >> the mathematical where-with-all to deal with this on a
| >> fundamental level (extremmely turbulent chaotic organized
| >> systems) did not yet exist. Does it yet???
| >
| > Not the last time I looked.
|
| Yup, didn't think I'd miss that. :)
|
| > There was interesting progress made on modelling turbulent flow in
| > the solar atmosphere a decade ago. Necessary to resort to
statistical
| > treatment of the turbulence at smaller scales, but it was a good
start.
| > Supercomputer-fodder, IIRC.
|
| Up until now, that the only way that the analyses can be done.
| Finite element monti-carlo.
|
| > I've been out of that field since then, so I don't know what's
| > current. I expect that the cut-off scale could be lower these
| > days, but nothing fundamentally different. Reynolds numbers of
| > 10^9 are yucky-poo when it comes to numerical solution of the
| > actual equations for the fluid flow.
|
| I know. I am just amazed at Maxwell's insights...
|
| >>> Early experiments and observations (Fizeau-Fresnel ether drag and
| >>> aberration) suggested that the ether was "stationary". It is worth
| >>> pointing out that, at the time, it was believed that our galaxy
| >>> was quite small, and, furthermore, that our (small) galaxy might
| >>> constitute the entire universe. "Stationary", therefore, should be
| >>> taken to mean stationary relative to the universe as a whole.
| >>> This, then, suggested the possibility of determining the motion
| >>> of the earth through the ether by electromagnetic or optical
means.
| >>> Maxwell (1880) himself noted the possibility, and the attempts
| >>> to actually measure the motion of the earth are well-known
| >>> (eg the Michelson-Morley experiment, Trouton-Noble, etc), as
| >>> is the fact that all yielded a null result. (Let us not be
| >>> diverted by the Miller arguments! Even if Miller's result
| >>> was a genuine non-null result, it still rules out a
| >>> stationary ether.)
| >>
| >> Do you really think Maxwell ignored of was unaware of Earth's
| >> rotation and orbital motion? Not to mention the spiral rotation
| >> of the galaxy.
| >
| > Was the spiral rotation of the the galaxy known at the time?
|
| Yes, but how widely known this was, I don't know.
|
| > It was known that the solar system as a whole appeared to be moving
| > relative to the other stars on average; Herschel did some work on
| > this in the early 1800s.
| >
| > Maxwell's 1880 letter makes it pretty clear that he was interested
| > in trying to find out more about the motion of the earth & sun
| > through the ether. He also didn't think that any (existing)
terrestrial
| > experiment could yield anything useful.
|
| Indeed, IIRC he wrote a letter around 1870 stating that he had
| determined all experiments based upon the first order (v/c) can
| be ruled out, he seriously doubted that any of the second order
| ([v/c]^2) would be any better.
|
| >> If not, then he knew also that all of Faraday's
| >> finding & measurements were made in systems that MUST! not be
| >> 'at rest' in any aether. He explicitly took no account for this
| >> motion when evaluating EM systems, and stated explicitly that
| >> only relative motion between various E & M elements is necessary
| >> to account for all the phenomena he modeled. Thus, as we know,
| >> Maxwell's expressions were already Lorentz covariant as originally
| >> penned. It was this fact that was at the bottom of the of the
| >> so-called relativity crisis when OTHERS! (namely Heavyside & Hertz)
| >> tried to modify these equation in the traditional manner to account
| >> for the motion of a complete system thru the aether. As far as
| >> I am aware, it was not Maxwell that did so.
| >
| > See eg art 619 in Treatise. In modern notation, Maxwell writes
| >
| > D = eE
| >
| > but notice that Maxwell's E is not the modern E; Maxwell's E is
| >
| > E = VxB - dA/dt - grad Phi,
| >
| > differing by the first, velocity-dependent, term. The modern
| > treatment would be to use E = -dA/dt - grad Phi, and put the
| > velocity dependent part into the permittivity. Maxwell discusses
| > the non-effect of such velocity dependence on closed circuits in
| > arts 600-601.
|
| Which would seem to confirm that he did not 'forget' Earth's
| motion.
|
| >>> An interesting idea is that atomic ethers are experimentally
| >>> testable - there must be a lower limit to the wavelength
| >>> of undulations in the ether. Any ether theorists out there
| >>> willing to make predictions? If we are moving through such an
| >>> ether, then presumably the lower limit is also anisotropic.
| >>
| >> Is it anisotropic? Why do you think so?
| >
| > Relative to a stationary ether, it should be isotropic; if we move
| > through a stationary ether, Doppler shift means that it should
| > appear anisotropic to us.
|
| Does it not for the global CMBR frame (the preffered frame for GR
| analyses)? But I was speaking to Local Lorentz covariance.
| Because, if matter is distorted (shortened), that effect should be
| canceled observationally.
|
| >> I do agree that the very same thing that prevents the UV
| >> catastrophe also set a lower wave length (upper frequency) limit.
| >
| > The photon hypothesis happily prevents the UV catastrophe _without_
| > setting an upper frequency limit. If, instead, an upper frequency
| > limit prevents the UV catastrophe, does the Planck function still
| > result for blackbody radiation?
|
| Short answer, I pretty sure it does. Ask yourself why there isn't
| an ultrasonic catastrophe? Same reason, a finite positive effective
| Action parameter (& low wavelength cutout).
|
| >>> However, IMHO, there are two objections to such ethers. The
| >>> first is essentially philosophical: such ethers require the
| >>> ether "atoms" to interact at a distance. How is this
| >>> interaction to be explained?
| >>
| >> Would not etherons having a finite volume & momenta overcome
| >> this philosophical objection? No action at a distance, simply
| >> kinetic processes in a perfect fluid manner.
| >
| > Back to the problem of simple gas-like ethers not supporting
| > transverse waves. The substances we know of that support transverse
| > waves do so by interaction-at-a-distance. If it's a purely
| > bouncing-off-each-other thing, ...
|
| I'd say more like rattling a cage...
|
| > ... then they can't interact anymore if they get pulled apart - thus
| > no elastic forces.
|
| It's all in the rotation interactions by Bernoulli effects. I agree
| if you were talking purely irrotational.
|
| > Sure, you can postulate interaction-at-a-distance between etherons,
| > but if that interaction isn't explained, then what does the
| > introduction of an ether in the first place explain?
|
| The entire structure of, and a mechanism for, distributed field
| effects.
|
| >>> If it is OK for ether atoms to interact at a distance without
| >>> further explanation, then why is it necessary to invoke an
| >>> ether to explain interaction between particles of ordinary
| >>> matter?
| >>
| >> Why is it necessary to invoke the Big Bang hypothesis? The
| >> answer to this is also the answer to your question above.
| >
| > I must disagree. The Big Bang is suggested by observed expansion;
| > run it back in time and the Big Bang is the natural result. My
| > point above is asking just what an ether model explains, if it
| > itself contains unexplained distant forces.
|
| The very same thing. The ether is suggested by observed distributed
| (otherwise decoupled) 'field effects'. Work out the mechanics (as
| Maxwell did) and these can be explained. I'd say the Big Bang has
| much that is, within it contexr, unexplained.
|
| >> A related question. Sound waves are defined by both frequency
| >> AND amplitude. Light has no direct analog for amplitude.
| >
| > Sure it does, at least in the classical regime. Eg, AM radio. Which
| > suggests an idea I should have included in the original post: if EM
| > waves are mechanical waves in an ether, what is the
| > displacement/velocity/angular velocity (or whatever the wave
actually
| > is, mechanically speaking) in metres/metres per sec. etc for an EM
| > wave of a given amplitude?
|
| With the photon model how does one get varying amplitudes for a
single
| photon a fixed frequency? I think this same question will apply to a
| single phonon.
Do you mean varying amplitudes wrt it passing a "stationary" observer?
If so, I think it can only be done by "twisting". IOW, helicity.
Circular polarizaton. A single photon has to be circularly polarized,
IMHO.
http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/Optics/projects/singlePhotonOAM/
FrediFizzx
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.pdf
or postscript
http://www.vacuum-physics.com/QVC/quantum_vacuum_charge.ps
http://www.vacuum-physics.com
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
22 Oct 2005 10:53:46 AM |
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On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:04:05 -0700, "FrediFizzx" <fredifizzx@hotmail.com> wrote:
"Paul Stowe" <TheAetherist@best.net> wrote in message
news:6uudl11f1o40it4j3gvj6j9cnksdrpg1v8@4ax.com...
[Snip...]
|>> A related question. Sound waves are defined by both
|>> frequency AND amplitude. Light has no direct analog
|>> for amplitude.
|>
|> Sure it does, at least in the classical regime. Eg, AM
|> radio. Which suggests an idea I should have included in
|> the original post: if EM waves are mechanical waves in
|> an ether, what is the displacement/velocity/angular
|> velocity (or whatever the wave actually is, mechanically
|> speaking) in metres/metres per sec. etc for an EM wave
|> of a given amplitude?
|
| With the photon model how does one get varying amplitudes
| for a single photon a fixed frequency? I think this same
| question will apply to a single phonon.
Do you mean varying amplitudes wrt it passing a "stationary"
observer? If so, I think it can only be done by "twisting".
IOW, helicity. Circular polarizaton. A single photon has
to be circularly polarized, IMHO.
http://www.physics.gla.ac.uk/Optics/projects/singlePhotonOAM/
I've been thinking alot about this model. The more I do
the more I like it. Maxwell modeled light basically the
very same way. It would certainly answer the questions of
both fixed amplitude AND loginitudinal component. The
corkscrew motion would be induced by the circulating currents
of the vortex cells as logintudinal bulse passed thru. IOW,
a simple loginitudinal wave like,
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
would be forced into a path like that in your link's
illustation. The forward travel would be 0.57735 units along
the x axis for every unit of total travel. This then causes
the fixed amplitude, and distinct particle (photon-like) nature
of light as we detect it.
In fact, that would make the true nature of a light wave
loginitudinal, NOT transverse.
Most interesting...
Paul Stowe
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| User: "Paul Stowe" |
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| Title: Re: Theories of light 2: ether theories |
18 Oct 2005 01:29:03 AM |
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On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:32:14 +1000, Timo Nieminen <timo@physics.uq.edu.au>
wrote:
Abstract
This is the second section of a discussion in three posts on
theories of light. This part is about ether theories of
light; the first part was about emission theories, and the final
part is about light in the framework of the special theory of
relativity.
The ether is often dealt with in accounts of optics,
electromagnetics, or relativity by the simple, but
insufficient, "the Michelson-Morley experiment proved that
there was no ether". While appealing in its simplicity, this
fails to capture either the scientific or the historical aspects.
A closer look at why conventional physics abandoned the ether
is worthwhile.
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