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"Jerry" |
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13 Jan 2005 09:42:09 PM |
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Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
Someone asked the following:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on
5-year and i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a
subject. Can You advise me a subject.
.....
"
And a colleague of yours called "EL" replied the following:
"
[EL]
Study the wave function, superposition and interference
probability space of the negative electron shells in the
Gold atom. Notice that I do not mean to replicate the
classical study, but rather trying to justify the assumed
negative probability space of interfering electrons
that should be classically in a state of repulsion
while the strong force may not be a good excuse for the
mutual occupation of "common" probability space by a well
defined electron topology, which retains its
corpuscular existence as a consequence of ionisation.
If you ever figure out "how" the external (valence)
electrons of the Gold Atom are still related to the
nucleus's "positive charge" while being "shielded" by all
the lower negative energy levels, you should be well
prepared for a Nobel Prize.
EL"
***
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again. Can
anyone explain the above? Are they no explanations
currently available? EL mentions the Gold atom. Maybe
what he means is that if the nucleus has
79 protons/neutrons and there are 79 electrons. After all
the lower energy levels shielding, the valence elecron
should not able to feel the nucleus therefore there
should be more electrons than 79. Is that what EL meant?
Can anyone clarify what he was talking about and what
mystery is there whose solution equal a Nobel Prize?
Jerry
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 01:23:02 AM |
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"Jerry" <sciatomsphysics@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1105674129.712889.107870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
[snip]
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again. Can
anyone explain the above? Are they no explanations
currently available? EL mentions the Gold atom. Maybe
what he means is that if the nucleus has
79 protons/neutrons and there are 79 electrons. After all
the lower energy levels shielding, the valence elecron
should not able to feel the nucleus therefore there
should be more electrons than 79. Is that what EL meant?
Can anyone clarify what he was talking about and what
mystery is there whose solution equal a Nobel Prize?
His name is EL Hemetis.
He used to be trolling sci.physics.relativity.
At some point in time he started using the name "Lady Sanity"
to talk to himself and give himself some credibility. He disappeared
when he was exposed.
See also:
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Hbar.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Conclude.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/MolBioBra2.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LadySanity.html
http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/MolBioBra.html
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Jerry" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 06:53:42 AM |
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What's the matter with your people. EL is a professor. He is like
Uncle Al and Old Man. He is anti-crank and when he dislikes someone.
He curses you like Uncle Al that's why he made some enemies and
haters. Now why don't we just focus on what he stated. I mentioned
his name so you guys (esp the senior members of this group) would
recognize it comes from a colleague of yours and won't take it
lightly. What is he talking about the Gold atom and shielding,
etc.? Can anyone explain what he is talking about?
Jerry
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 09:17:08 AM |
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In article <1105674129.712889.107870@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry <sciatomsphysics@yahoo.com> wrote:
Someone asked the following:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on
5-year and i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a
subject. Can You advise me a subject.
....
"
And a colleague of yours called "EL" replied the following:
"
[EL]
Study the wave function, superposition and interference
probability space of the negative electron shells in the
Gold atom. Notice that I do not mean to replicate the
classical study, but rather trying to justify the assumed
negative probability space of interfering electrons
that should be classically in a state of repulsion
while the strong force may not be a good excuse for the
mutual occupation of "common" probability space by a well
defined electron topology, which retains its
corpuscular existence as a consequence of ionisation.
If you ever figure out "how" the external (valence)
electrons of the Gold Atom are still related to the
nucleus's "positive charge" while being "shielded" by all
the lower negative energy levels, you should be well
prepared for a Nobel Prize.
EL"
***
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again. Can
anyone explain the above? Are they no explanations
currently available? EL mentions the Gold atom. Maybe
what he means is that if the nucleus has
79 protons/neutrons and there are 79 electrons. After all
the lower energy levels shielding, the valence elecron
should not able to feel the nucleus therefore there
should be more electrons than 79. Is that what EL meant?
Can anyone clarify what he was talking about and what
mystery is there whose solution equal a Nobel Prize?
Looks like you shoudn't rely on EL for advice on a thesis.
What you do for a thesis depends a lot on what you know, the resources
available to you, and what the professors are doing. What are the
criteria for your thesis? Experimental or theoretical? I assume it's not
doctoral?
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
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| User: "Jerry" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 03:34:49 PM |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again. Can
anyone explain the above? Are they no explanations
currently available? EL mentions the Gold atom. Maybe
what he means is that if the nucleus has
79 protons/neutrons and there are 79 electrons. After all
the lower energy levels shielding, the valence elecron
should not able to feel the nucleus therefore there
should be more electrons than 79. Is that what EL meant?
Can anyone clarify what he was talking about and what
mystery is there whose solution equal a Nobel Prize?
Looks like you shoudn't rely on EL for advice on a thesis.
What you do for a thesis depends a lot on what you know, the
resources
available to you, and what the professors are doing. What are the
criteria for your thesis? Experimental or theoretical? I assume
it's not
doctoral?
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
No. It's not mine. I just saw the thread in another group with no
follow-up. The poster is looking for a thesis with philosophical
or religious theme. The complete question of the guy is this:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on 5-year and
i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a subject. Can You advise
me a subject. I'm interested in new phys with filosophical,
or religical consequences. (sorry for my spelling)"
Anyway. Since the guy who posted it is not here. Let's not
discuss about the thesis. Let's discuss about the gold atom
and shield. Can you describe what EL was talking about?? The
lower energy levels can indeed do some shielding, but what
effect does it have with the outer valence electrons of the
gold atom with respect to the nucleus and the charge balancing?
Jerry
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 04:01:02 PM |
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In article <1105738489.395241.320370@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry <sciatomsphysics@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again. Can
anyone explain the above? Are they no explanations
currently available? EL mentions the Gold atom. Maybe
what he means is that if the nucleus has
79 protons/neutrons and there are 79 electrons. After all
the lower energy levels shielding, the valence elecron
should not able to feel the nucleus therefore there
should be more electrons than 79. Is that what EL meant?
Can anyone clarify what he was talking about and what
mystery is there whose solution equal a Nobel Prize?
Looks like you shoudn't rely on EL for advice on a thesis.
What you do for a thesis depends a lot on what you know, the
resources
available to you, and what the professors are doing. What are the
criteria for your thesis? Experimental or theoretical? I assume
it's not
doctoral?
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
No. It's not mine. I just saw the thread in another group with no
follow-up. The poster is looking for a thesis with philosophical
or religious theme. The complete question of the guy is this:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on 5-year and
i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a subject. Can You advise
me a subject. I'm interested in new phys with filosophical,
or religical consequences. (sorry for my spelling)"
Anyway. Since the guy who posted it is not here. Let's not
discuss about the thesis. Let's discuss about the gold atom
and shield. Can you describe what EL was talking about?? The
lower energy levels can indeed do some shielding, but what
effect does it have with the outer valence electrons of the
gold atom with respect to the nucleus and the charge balancing?
Jerry
I don't know what he was talking about. It almost looks random, and
towards the end it looks like he was suggesting a Nobel Prize would be
awarded for showing that charge is conserved in gold atoms.
But you'll find that some participants of sci.physics follow, well, rather
non-standard brands of physics. You can find some of EL's past
contributions on Google Groups. My advice is to not assume so quickly
that he's smarter than you.
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
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| User: "Jerry" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 05:15:45 PM |
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Gregory L. Hansen wrote:>
I don't know what he was talking about. It almost looks random, and
towards the end it looks like he was suggesting a Nobel Prize would
be
awarded for showing that charge is conserved in gold atoms.
But you'll find that some participants of sci.physics follow, well,
rather
non-standard brands of physics. You can find some of EL's past
contributions on Google Groups. My advice is to not assume so
quickly
that he's smarter than you.
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
Do you know how to apply "Slater determinants" to say the Gold
Atom?? After all the lower energy levels shielding, the valence
electrons shouldn't be able to "feel" the full charge of the
nucleus. Is it 2 way too such that the nucleus can't feel
the charge of the valence electron? What happens when this
bonds with other lesser atomic numbered elements? Is there
an effect on the overall behavior of the compound? If you
don't know what I mean. Just let me know how to apply
"Slater determinants" to say the Gold Atom by giving an
example calculations?? Tnx
Jerry
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| User: "Gregory L. Hansen" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 07:17:43 PM |
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In article <1105744545.684681.259710@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry <sciatomsphysics@yahoo.com> wrote:
Gregory L. Hansen wrote:>
I don't know what he was talking about. It almost looks random, and
towards the end it looks like he was suggesting a Nobel Prize would
be
awarded for showing that charge is conserved in gold atoms.
But you'll find that some participants of sci.physics follow, well,
rather
non-standard brands of physics. You can find some of EL's past
contributions on Google Groups. My advice is to not assume so
quickly
that he's smarter than you.
--
"The main, if not the only, function of the word aether has been to
furnish a nominative case to the verb 'to undulate'."
-- the Earl of Salisbury, 1894
Do you know how to apply "Slater determinants" to say the Gold
Atom?? After all the lower energy levels shielding, the valence
electrons shouldn't be able to "feel" the full charge of the
nucleus. Is it 2 way too such that the nucleus can't feel
the charge of the valence electron? What happens when this
bonds with other lesser atomic numbered elements? Is there
an effect on the overall behavior of the compound? If you
don't know what I mean. Just let me know how to apply
"Slater determinants" to say the Gold Atom by giving an
example calculations?? Tnx
Yes, the inner electrons shield the nucleus from the valence electrons.
Yes, the nucleus is also shielded from the valence electrons. Not
completely. From far away, Au+ looks like a single positive charge.
When calculating the properties of solids it's common to assume that the
inner electrons just sit there and do not participate in interactions at
all.
The gold atom is a multi-body system and there's no simple way to find its
wavefunction. Approximations are used, Hartree-Fock is popular. And then
it's still difficult. This is the subject of quantum chemistry, and it's
explained in books like Szabo and Ostlund's book now in a Dover edition.
I have little expertise in that subject.
There's an iterative method that we used in an undergrad class. Place
the first electron, giving it a hydrogen-like wavefunction. Place the
second electron in the field generated by the nucleus plus the first
electron. Replace the first electron in the field generated by the
nucleus plus the second electron. Repeat ad nauseum.
--
"Then they placed the ark of the Lord on the cart; along with the box
containing the golden mice and the images of the hemorrhoids."
-- 1 Samuel 6:11
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
13 Jan 2005 09:48:24 PM |
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Jerry wrote:
Someone asked the following:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on
5-year and i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a
subject. Can You advise me a subject.
....
"
And a colleague of yours called "EL" replied the following:
"
[EL]
Study the wave function, superposition and interference
probability space of the negative electron shells in the
Gold atom. Notice that I do not mean to replicate the
classical study, but rather trying to justify the assumed
negative probability space of interfering electrons
that should be classically in a state of repulsion
while the strong force may not be a good excuse for the
mutual occupation of "common" probability space by a well
defined electron topology, which retains its
corpuscular existence as a consequence of ionisation.
If you ever figure out "how" the external (valence)
electrons of the Gold Atom are still related to the
nucleus's "positive charge" while being "shielded" by all
the lower negative energy levels, you should be well
prepared for a Nobel Prize.
EL"
***
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again.
His rectum everted, looped around his enck, and strangled him. It was
officially reported as reflexive euthanasia.
snip]
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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14 Jan 2005 05:35:56 AM |
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A strangulated enck!! It makes your eyes water to think of it :-{
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| User: "Nosterill" |
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14 Jan 2005 05:36:24 AM |
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A strangulated enck!! It makes your eyes water to think of it :-{
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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14 Jan 2005 02:28:51 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Someone asked the following:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on
5-year and i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a
subject. Can You advise me a subject.
....
"
And a colleague of yours called "EL" replied the following:
"
[EL]
Study the wave function, superposition and interference
probability space of the negative electron shells in the
Gold atom. Notice that I do not mean to replicate the
classical study, but rather trying to justify the assumed
negative probability space of interfering electrons
that should be classically in a state of repulsion
while the strong force may not be a good excuse for the
mutual occupation of "common" probability space by a well
defined electron topology, which retains its
corpuscular existence as a consequence of ionisation.
If you ever figure out "how" the external (valence)
electrons of the Gold Atom are still related to the
nucleus's "positive charge" while being "shielded" by all
the lower negative energy levels, you should be well
prepared for a Nobel Prize.
EL"
***
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again.
rectum
:-)
John
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| User: "John Sefton" |
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| Title: Re: Thesis and a Nobel Prize |
14 Jan 2005 02:31:11 AM |
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Uncle Al wrote:
Jerry wrote:
Someone asked the following:
"Hi i'm new on this group. I'm studying physics on
5-year and i'm writing my thesis, i don't have a
subject. Can You advise me a subject.
....
"
And a colleague of yours called "EL" replied the following:
"
[EL]
Study the wave function, superposition and interference
probability space of the negative electron shells in the
Gold atom. Notice that I do not mean to replicate the
classical study, but rather trying to justify the assumed
negative probability space of interfering electrons
that should be classically in a state of repulsion
while the strong force may not be a good excuse for the
mutual occupation of "common" probability space by a well
defined electron topology, which retains its
corpuscular existence as a consequence of ionisation.
If you ever figure out "how" the external (valence)
electrons of the Gold Atom are still related to the
nucleus's "positive charge" while being "shielded" by all
the lower negative energy levels, you should be well
prepared for a Nobel Prize.
EL"
***
EL disappeared after the reply and was not seen again.
His rectum *snip*
Al, Al, Al.........
John
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