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This just in: Faith-based Science |
Washington, The Associated Press.
The White House today released its new "Science in the new Millenium
Plan (SIMP)". White House science advisor John Marburger allowed
journalists a first look at what he called a "bold new plan" to move
scientific exploration to a new frontier: Faith-Based Research.
"America is ready for this new approach to understanding our world" he
said.
"We had great success in the medical field by clearly demonstrating the
benefits of intercessory-prayer (referring to a NIH-funded Duke
University study that showed the health benefits if someone prays for
an ailing friend or relative). Now it is time to translate this success
into other areas of research".
SIMP highlights new opportunities particularly in the area of space
and geosciences. Space research will get a boost and a new focus by
determining the range of Gods powers and carrying freedom and liberty
into space. "We all know he is big, but how big is a scientific
question that has puzzled scientists for hundred of years" said
outgoing NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe. "We have already restructured
NASA with a new focus on space exploration that will allow us to
implement this plan. Our brightest scientists are hungry to find
answers to this age-old question".
Earth exploration is another area highlighted by SIMP. "Lets face it,
finding oil and other natural resources is a darn hard and expensive
business, we have to learn how to do more with less", said Peter
Goblet, head of Exxon-Mobile's resource exploration department.
"Divining is a thousand-year old practice, but our kids are just not
learning basic rod use in their college science courses anymore. Think
of the money that could be saved if we used our best and brightest
scientists to hone these techniques and make them more efficient"!
Voicing some concerns, National Academy of Sciences President Bruce
Albers said, "Its important to keep an open mind, but I think
hypothesis-driven science that seeks to support its finding with data
is not dead yet". John McCaine, R-AZ, Chairman of the Senate's
Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation and often a critic on
the Administration's policy on climate change was more blunt: "Next
thing they'll want to solve the global warming problem by praying that
hell freezes over". But Carl Huygens, dean of the school of earth
sciences at Texas A&M University was more positive: "We all know that
data-driven science is a messy business and there is a certain element
of faith in deriving knowledge from data anyhow, why not go one step
further and bring faith into the world of research and save ourselves
the efforts associated with data collection and interpretation.
Paradigm shifts have always occurred in science but the nay-sayers were
usually convinced in the end." "Faith-based research will surely allow
us to increase the number of papers my graduate students and I will be
able to publish, though rewriting my lectures will take some work" said
one senior faculty member at Penn State Department of Geosciences under
the condition he remain anonymous. White House science advisor
Marburger remained steadfast, asserting that the President has great
faith in his facts. "Faith-based facts (FBF's) have been underutilized
in our scientific research", he said, and "the world's holy scriptures
offer a rich source of FBF's that can only make our nation's research
efforts much more efficient and results driven". Already the concept
of intelligent design as an alternative to the unproven theory of
evolution is becoming widely accepted. "We need more of this
independent thought. Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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08 Feb 2005 01:31:26 PM |
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<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Richard Herring" |
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09 Feb 2005 06:32:54 AM |
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In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
--
Richard Herring
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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09 Feb 2005 07:13:48 AM |
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"Richard Herring" <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote in message news:l6C3XeX2LgCCFwFl@baesystems.com...
In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
Not so amazing actually.
When looking at what happens over there from our
perspective, just about anything seems satirical. I guess
it must be real frigthening to live in the middle of it.
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" |
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09 Feb 2005 03:27:40 PM |
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Failure to to be able to spot flamingly obvious literary satire. Yes,
indeed. I suspect you'll find more than your usual number of
irony-impaired people on this group. It's sort of like Asberger's
syndrome, except there's no name for it. Mister-Spockosis? Randroidism?
Acute ProgramerNerditis?
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| User: "" |
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09 Feb 2005 07:20:26 AM |
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In article <l6C3XeX2LgCCFwFl@baesystems.com>,
Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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09 Feb 2005 08:45:54 AM |
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<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message news:GtydnSq98LTFhJffRVn-uQ@rcn.net...
In article <l6C3XeX2LgCCFwFl@baesystems.com>,
Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
Apparently it is, at your side of the ocean.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
Let's hope it doesn't cross the ocean...
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "" |
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10 Feb 2005 05:07:09 AM |
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In article <CmpOd.7503$Sc4.7197@news.cpqcorp.net>,
"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com>
wrote:
<jmfbahciv@aol.com> wrote in message
news:GtydnSq98LTFhJffRVn-uQ@rcn.net...
In article <l6C3XeX2LgCCFwFl@baesystems.com>,
Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific
"mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the
treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
Apparently it is, at your side of the ocean.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
Let's hope it doesn't cross the ocean...
I think it's already there :-(; people are ignoring it
with the hope that it will go away if not dealt with.
Mess prevention is not politically correct these days.
/BAH
/BAH
Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
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| User: "Jim Greenfield" |
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13 Feb 2005 08:11:04 PM |
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wrote in message news:<GtydnSq98LTFhJffRVn-uQ@rcn.net>...
In article <l6C3XeX2LgCCFwFl@baesystems.com>,
Richard Herring <junk@[127.0.0.1]> wrote:
In message <is8Od.6775$RU1.369713@phobos.telenet-ops.be>, Dirk Van de
moortel <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> writes
<peterpnthr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1107884647.299842.296130@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Washington, The Associated Press.
[snip]
... Experimentation and theory are overrated and
frankly the American public deserves more than scientific "mumbo-jumbo"
about uncertainties and self-serving statements about the need for
further research. The time has come, he asserts, to mine the treasure
trove of God-given knowledge to finally solve the most pressing
scientific issues of our time and wean the scientific community from
the narrow-minded obsession with the observational process."
Good satire :-)
And amazing how many respondents didn't spot it as such.
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
/BAH
What's new?
Physics/astronomy has been running on the "Relativity Faith" of AE
for 100 years
Jim G
c'=c+v
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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13 Feb 2005 08:20:09 PM |
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Jim Greenfield wrote:
What's new?
Physics/astronomy has been running on the "Relativity Faith" of AE
for 100 years
Relativity theory is completed supported by experiment. Belief has
little to do with it. Furthermore it has never been falsified emprically.
Whereas the existence of caloric, phlogiston, vital essence and aether has.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Andy Resnick" |
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09 Feb 2005 11:27:57 AM |
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wrote:
<snip>
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
To paraphrase a great American composer, "Does humor belong in Science?"
It does. Self-suppression of speech is still suppressed speech. Given
that anti-science viewpoints rarely survive the bright light of open
discussion, ridicule and satire should be encouraged.
--
Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
CWRU School of Medicine
tanspose 'op' for mail
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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09 Feb 2005 02:51:14 PM |
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"Andy Resnick" <axr67@op.cwru.edu> wrote in message
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jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has become fashionable
lately.
To paraphrase a great American composer, "Does humor belong in
Science?"
It does. Self-suppression of speech is still suppressed speech. Given
that anti-science viewpoints rarely survive the bright light of open
discussion, ridicule and satire should be encouraged.
Yeah, Einstein was a right dingbat. What kind of moron would define
time by
' the "time" required by light to travel from A to B equals the "time"
it requires to travel from B to A. '
and what kind of crackhead would buy into it?
Androcles
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Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
CWRU School of Medicine
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| User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" |
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09 Feb 2005 03:33:58 PM |
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The crackheads who built the GPS, system, for one. Which works just
fine, so I'd guess the definition works okay.
If you think about it, timing the signals from a GPS satellite overhead
vs one on the horizon going away or toward you, is a kind of
Michaelson-Morley experiment. Except it's done in vacuum. And with
one-way flight time measurements. And it even checks for velocity
effects of sources, not just "ether drag." And also relativistic clock
slowing. And also relativistic gravitational slowing.
So sorry, but it confirms Einstein at all points.
SBH
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10 Feb 2005 05:10:40 AM |
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In article <cudh96$b6k$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Andy Resnick <axr67@op.cwru.edu> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
To paraphrase a great American composer, "Does humor belong in Science?"
It does. Self-suppression of speech is still suppressed speech. Given
that anti-science viewpoints rarely survive the bright light of open
discussion, ridicule and satire should be encouraged.
I'm not worried about that. I've been seeing this kind of
stuff creeping out of the woodwork and getting used as a
basis for political and funding decisions in all aspects of
government and economic affairs. That is why it's dangerous.
Stuff like this is taken as a fact and never questioned.
For some strange reason, anything with a religious flavor
completely escapes an examination of assumptions.
/BAH
/BAH
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| User: "Andy Resnick" |
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10 Feb 2005 07:50:51 AM |
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wrote:
In article <cudh96$b6k$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Andy Resnick <axr67@op.cwru.edu> wrote:
wrote:
<snip>
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
To paraphrase a great American composer, "Does humor belong in Science?"
It does. Self-suppression of speech is still suppressed speech. Given
that anti-science viewpoints rarely survive the bright light of open
discussion, ridicule and satire should be encouraged.
I'm not worried about that. I've been seeing this kind of
stuff creeping out of the woodwork and getting used as a
basis for political and funding decisions in all aspects of
government and economic affairs. That is why it's dangerous.
Stuff like this is taken as a fact and never questioned.
For some strange reason, anything with a religious flavor
completely escapes an examination of assumptions.
Of course- by definition, faith-based dictums require faith as opposed
to rational examination.
I have vague memories of popular culture having a short-lived
fascination with the paranormal in the later 70's- ghosts, ESP, faith
healers... I suppose it all comes full circle now and again. I imagine
the collective psychosis originates from a feeling of dread- ignorance
about how a computer (or *the internet*) "works", all these seemingly
magical technologies rolled out, one after the other, everything is
obsolete (including certain job types) constantly... Faith in something
non-changing can be comforting to some.
My problem is when others push their stupid voodoo onto me and my kids,
and with those who glorify an ignorant viewpoint- did you see the stupid
Dr. Physics gag (Eugene Levy played Dr. Stupid) during the Superbowl
pre-show? No wonder NASA is going down the crapper.
--
Andrew Resnick, Ph.D.
Department of Physiology and Biophysics
CWRU School of Medicine
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10 Feb 2005 07:33:29 AM |
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In article <cufotu$4e0$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Andy Resnick <axr67@op.cwru.edu> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
In article <cudh96$b6k$1@eeyore.INS.cwru.edu>,
Andy Resnick <axr67@op.cwru.edu> wrote:
jmfbahciv@aol.com wrote:
<snip>
Satire on this subject is, not only not funny, but downright
dangerous at this time.
In case you haven't noticed, religious zealotry has
become fashionable lately.
To paraphrase a great American composer, "Does humor belong in Science?"
It does. Self-suppression of speech is still suppressed speech. Given
that anti-science viewpoints rarely survive the bright light of open
discussion, ridicule and satire should be encouraged.
I'm not worried about that. I've been seeing this kind of
stuff creeping out of the woodwork and getting used as a
basis for political and funding decisions in all aspects of
government and economic affairs. That is why it's dangerous.
Stuff like this is taken as a fact and never questioned.
For some strange reason, anything with a religious flavor
completely escapes an examination of assumptions.
Of course- by definition, faith-based dictums require faith as opposed
to rational examination.
Some manner of thinking has to decide which aspects of life
needs faith and which needs the Scientific Method. Take a
good look at Reany's posts over the last three years. His
intent is to combine the two and remove this sifting step.
The same thing is occuring on this side of the pond because
the churches think they need money to have Sunday Schools.
Since they are also spending money as if it were infinite,
they're grand plan is to move Sunday School into the public
schools.
Satire items as this one will be used as facts to support
funding and education policies.
I have vague memories of popular culture having a short-lived
fascination with the paranormal in the later 70's- ghosts, ESP, faith
healers... I suppose it all comes full circle now and again.
All of that happened again during Y2K. Religious leaders acquiring
power will use anything that causes people to not think. Fear is
one of them.
.. I imagine
the collective psychosis originates from a feeling of dread- ignorance
about how a computer (or *the internet*) "works",
They haven't attacked the computing biz in quite a long time.
I doubt they will because the ones who are spouting "return to
the good 'ol days" are using computer tech to broadcast their
spittle spouts.
..all these seemingly
magical technologies rolled out, one after the other, everything is
obsolete (including certain job types) constantly... Faith in something
non-changing can be comforting to some.
If you haven't noticed, these idiots are attacking anything that
has a smell of productive. I haven't figured out why yet.
My problem is when others push their stupid voodoo onto me and my kids,
I'm related to them :-(; that's why there's 1000 miles between me and
them.
..
and with those who glorify an ignorant viewpoint- did you see the stupid
Dr. Physics gag (Eugene Levy played Dr. Stupid) during the Superbowl
pre-show?
No. I only zapped to the game to check the score and see
if I had to alter life plans :-).
..No wonder NASA is going down the crapper.
Is it possible to write up a short description? Don't waste
a lot of time on this.
/BAH
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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08 Feb 2005 11:50:27 AM |
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wrote:
Washington, The Associated Press.
I need a date and byline on this.
I have not been able to spot it with Google.
I think you are having us on.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com" |
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08 Feb 2005 04:25:34 PM |
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need a date and byline on this.
I have not been able to spot it with Google.
I think you are having us on.
COMMENT
And what gave you your first clue?
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| User: "Christopher P. Winter" |
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12 Feb 2005 03:19:17 PM |
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On 8 Feb 2005 14:25:34 -0800, "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com"
<sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
need a date and byline on this.
I have not been able to spot it with Google.
I think you are having us on.
COMMENT
And what gave you your first clue?
The spelling mistakes ("Exxon-Mobile", John McCaine") are a dead obvious
tipoff. The Washington Post would never make mistakes like that.
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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08 Feb 2005 04:26:30 PM |
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Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com wrote:
COMMENT
And what gave you your first clue?
If was SIMPle.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "tadchem" |
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08 Feb 2005 12:00:20 PM |
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wrote:
Washington, The Associated Press.
The White House today released its new "Science in the new Millenium
Plan (SIMP)". White House science advisor John Marburger...
I smell a skunk here.
Null result on serch for "Marburger" on the AP site.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/external/search.customwire.ap.org/wireCoreTool/Search?query=Marburger+
This 'story' is probably a cheap, politically driven fraud.
FOAD, troll.
Tom Davidson
Richmond, VA
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| User: "PD" |
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08 Feb 2005 11:52:48 AM |
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Hee, hee.
On the other hand, I wouldn't be surprised.
PD
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