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April 26, 2007
This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 250)
John Baez
Right now I'm in a country estate called Les Treilles in southern
France, at a conference organized by Alexei Grinbaum and Michel
Bitbol:
1) Philosophical and Formal Foundations of Modern Physics,
http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast=762
It's very beautiful here, but about 20 philosophers, physicists
and mathematicians have agreed to spend six days indoors discussing
quantum gravity, the history of relativity, quantum information theory
and the like. And guess what? Now it's our afternoon off, and
I'm spending my time writing This Week's Finds! Some people just
don't know how to enjoy life.
In fact, I want to continue telling you The Tale of Groupoidification.
But before I do, here's a puzzle that Jeffrey Bub raised the other night
at dinner. It's not hard, but it's still a bit surprising.
You and your friend each flip a fair coin and then look at it.
You can't look at your friend's coin; they can't look at yours.
You can't exchange any information. Each of you must guess
whether the other person's coin lands heads up or tails up.
Your goal, as a team, is to maximize the chance that you're both
correct.
What's the best strategy, and what's the probability that you
both guess correctly?
Here's an obvious line of thought.
Since you don't have any information about your friend's coin flip,
it doesn't really matter what you guess. So, you might as well guess
"heads". You'll then have a 1/2 chance of being right. Similarly,
your friend might as well guess "heads" - or for that matter, "tails".
They'll also have a 1/2 chance of being right. So, the chance that
you're both right is 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4.
I hope that sounds persuasive - but you can actually do much better!
How? I'll give away the answer at the end.
Jeffrey Bub is famous for his work on the philosophy of quantum
mechanics, and in his talk today he mentioned a similar but more
sophisticated game, the Popescu-Rohrlich game. Here you and your
friend each flip coins as before. But now, you each say "yes" or
"no". Your goal, as a team, is to give the same response when at
least one coin lands heads up, but different responses otherwise.
Classically the best you can do is both say "yes" - or, if you
prefer, both say "no". Then you'll have a 3/4 chance of winning.
But, if before playing the game you and your friend prepare a pair
of spin-1/2 particles in the Bell state, and you each keep one, you
can use these to boost your chance of winning to about 85%!
I think the underlying idea first appeared here:
1) S. Popescu and D. Rohrlich, Nonlocality as an axiom, Found. Phys.
24 (1994), 379-385.
For the "game" version, try this:
2) Nicolas Gisin, Can relativity be considered complete? From
Newtonian nonlocality to quantum nonlocality and beyond, available
as quant-ph/0512168.
There's a lot more to say about this - especially about the
"Popescu-Rohrlich box", a mythical device which would let you win
all the time at this game, but still not allow signalling. The
existence of such a box is logically possible, but forbidden by
quantum mechanics. It can only exist in certain "supra-quantum
theories" which allow even weirder correlations than quantum mechanics.
But, I don't understand this stuff, so you should just read this:
3) Valerio Scarani, Feats, features and failures of the PR-box,
available as quant-ph/0603017.
Okay - now for our Tale. I want to explain double cosets as spans
of groupoids... but it's best if I start with some special relativity.
Though Newton to have believed in some form of "absolute space",
the idea that motion is relative predates Einstein by a long time.
In 1632, in his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems,
Galileo wrote:
Shut yourself up with some friend in the main cabin below decks on
some large ship, and have with you there some flies, butterflies,
and other small flying animals. Have a large bowl of water with some
fish in it; hang up a bottle that empties drop by drop into a wide
vessel beneath it. With the ship standing still, observe carefully how
the little animals fly with equal speed to all sides of the cabin. The
fish swim indifferently in all directions; the drops fall into the
vessel beneath; and, in throwing something to your friend, you need
throw it no more strongly in one direction than another, the distances
being equal; jumping with your feet together, you pass equal spaces
in every direction.
When you have observed all these things carefully (though doubtless
when the ship is standing still everything must happen in this way),
have the ship proceed with any speed you like, so long as the motion
is uniform and not fluctuating this way and that. You will discover
not the least change in all the effects named, nor could you tell
from any of them whether the ship was moving or standing still.
As a result, the coordinate transformation we use in Newtonian
mechanics to switch from one reference frame to another moving at
a constant velocity relative to the first is called a "Galilei
transformation". For example:
(t, x, y, z) |-> (t, x + vt, y, z)
By the time Maxwell came up with his equations describing light,
the idea of relativity of motion was well established. In 1876,
he wrote:
Our whole progress up to this point may be described as a gradual
development of the doctrine of relativity of all physical phenomena.
Position we must evidently acknowledge to be relative, for we cannot
describe the position of a body in any terms which do not express
relation. The ordinary language about motion and rest does not so
completely exclude the notion of their being measured absolutely, but
the reason of this is, that in our ordinary language we tacitly assume
that the earth is at rest.... There are no landmarks in space; one
portion of space is exactly like every other portion, so that we
cannot tell where we are. We are, as it were, on an unruffled sea,
without stars, compass, sounding, wind or tide, and we cannot tell in
what direction we are going. We have no log which we can case out to
take a dead reckoning by; we may compute our rate of motion with
respect to the neighboring bodies, but we do not know how these bodies
may be moving in space.
So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of
light the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as
we indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the
new feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each
other will disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are.
As Einstein wrote in 1905:
Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to
discover any motion of the earth relative to the "light medium",
suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as mechanics
possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.
They suggest rather that, as has already been shown to the first
order of small quantities, the same laws of electrodynamics and
optics will be valid for all frames of reference for which the
equations of mechanics are valid. We will elevate this conjecture
(whose content will be called the "principle of relativity") to
the status of a postulate, and also introduce another postulate,
which is only apparently irreconcilable with it, namely, that
light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity
c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting
body. These two postulates suffice for attaining a simple and
consistent theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies based on
Maxwell's theory for stationary bodies.
So, what really changed with the advent of special relativity?
First, our understanding of precisely which transformations count
as symmetries of spacetime. These transformations form a *group*.
Before special relativity, it seemed the relevant group was a
10-dimensional gadget consisting of:
3 dimensions of spatial translations
1 dimension of time translations
3 dimensions of rotations
3 dimensions of Galilei transformations
Nowadays this is called the "Galilei group":
With special relativity, the relevant group became the "Poincare
group":
3 dimensions of spatial translations
1 dimension of time translations
3 dimensions of rotations
3 dimensions of Lorentz transformations
It's still 10-dimensional, not any bigger. But, it acts differently
as transformations of the spacetime coordinates (t,x,y,z).
Another thing that changed was our appreciation of the importance
of symmetry! Before the 20th century, group theory was not in the
toolkit of most theoretical physicists. Now it is.
Okay. Now suppose you're the only thing in the universe, floating in
empty space, not rotating. To make your stay in this thought experiment
a pleasant one, I'll give you a space suit. And for simplicity, suppose
special relativity holds true exactly, with no gravitational fields
to warp the geometry of spacetime.
Would the universe be any different if you were moving at constant
velocity? Or translated 2 feet to the left or right? Or turned
around? Or if it were one day later?
No! Not in any observable way, at least! It would seem exactly
the same.
So in this situation, it doesn't really make much sense to say
"where you are", or "which way you're facing", or "what time it is".
There are no "invariant propositions" to make about your location
or motion. In other words, there's nothing to say whose truth value
remains unchanged after you apply a symmetry.
Well, *almost* nothing to say! The logicians in the crowd will note
that you can say "T": the tautologously true statement. You can also
say "F": the tautologously false statement. But, these aren't terribly
interesting.
Next, suppose you have a friend also floating through space. Now
there are more interesting invariant propositions. There's nothing
much invariant to say about just you, and nothing to say about just
your friend, but there are invariant *relations*. For example, you
can measure your friend's speed relative to you, or your distance of
closest approach.
Mathematicians study invariant relations using a tool called "double
cosets". I want to explain these today, since we'll need them soon
in the Tale of Groupoidification.
"Double cosets" sound technical, but that's just to keep timid people
from understanding the subject. A double coset is secretly just an
"atomic" invariant relation: one that can't be expressed as "P or Q"
where P and Q are themselves invariant relations - unless precisely
one of P or Q is tautologously false.
So, atomic invariant relations are like prime numbers: they can't
be broken down into simpler bits. And, as we'll see, every invariant
relation can be built out of atomic ones!
Here's an example in the case we're considering:
"My friend's speed relative to me is 50 meters/second, and our
distance of closest approach is 10 meters."
This is clearly an invariant relation. It's atomic if we idealize
the situation and assume you and your friends are points - so we
can't ask which way you're facing, whether you're waving at each other,
etc.
To see *why* it's atomic, note that we can always find a frame of
reference where you're at rest and your friend is moving by like this:
-----FRIEND---->
YOU
If you and your friend are points, the situation is *completely
described* (up to symmetries) by the relative speed and distance
of closest approach. So, the invariant relation quoted above
can't be written as "P or Q" for other invariant relations.
The same analysis shows that in this example, *every* atomic invariant
relation is of this form:
"My friend's speed relative to me is s, and our distance of
closest approach is d."
for some nonnegative numbers s and d.
(Quiz: why don't we need to let s be negative if your friend is moving
to the left?)
From this example, it's clear there are often infinitely many
double cosets. But there are some wonderful examples with just
*finitely many* double cosets - and these are what I'll focus
on in our Tale.
Here's the simplest one. Suppose we're doing projective plane
geometry. This is a bit like Euclidean plane geometry, but there are
more symmetries: every transformation that preserves lines is allowed.
So, in addition to translations and rotations, we also have other
symmetries.
For example, imagine taking a blackboard with some points and lines
on it:
\ /
------------x-----------x-----------
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
x
/ \
/ \
/ \
We can translate it and rotate it. But, we can also view it from
an angle: that's another symmetry in projective geometry! This
hints at how projective geometry arose from the study of perspective
in painting.
We get even more symmetries if we use a clever trick. Suppose we're
standing on the blackboard, and it extends infinitely like an endless
plain. Points on the horizon aren't really points on the blackboard.
They're called "points at infinity". But, it's nice to include them
as part of the so-called "projective plane". They make things simpler:
now every pair of lines intersects in a unique point, just as every pair
of points lies on a unique line. You've probably seen how parallel
railroad tracks seem to meet at the horizon - that's what I'm talking
about here. And, by including these extra points at infinity, we get
extra symmetries that map points at infinity to ordinary points, and
vice versa.
I gave a more formal introduction to projective geometry in "week106"
and "week145", and "week178". If you read these, you'll know that
points in the projective plane correspond to lines through the origin
in a 3d space. And, you'll know a bit about the group of symmetries in
projective geometry: it's the group G = PGL(3), consisting of 3x3
invertible matrices, modulo scalars.
(I actually said SL(3), but I was being sloppy - this is another group
with the same Lie algebra.)
For some great examples of double cosets, let F be the space of "flags".
A "flag" is a very general concept, but in projective plane geometry a
flag is just a point x on a line y:
-----------------x----------------
y
An amazing fact is that there are precisely 6 atomic invariant relations
between a pair of flags. You can see them all in this picture:
\ /
------------x-----------x'----------
\ / y
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
x"
/ \
/ \
y'/ \y"
There are six flags here, and each exemplifies a different
atomic invariant relation to our favorite flag, say (x,y).
For example, the flag (x',y') has the following relation to (x,y):
"The point of (x',y') lies on the line of (x,y), and no more."
By "no more" I mean that no further incidence relations hold.
There's a lot more to say about this, and we'll need to delve into
it much deeper soon... but not yet. For now, I just want to mention
that all this stuff generalizes from G = PGL(3) to any other simple
Lie group! And, the picture above is an example of a general concept,
called an "apartment". Apartments are a great way to visualize
atomic invariant relations between flags.
This "apartment" business is part of a wonderful theory due to Jacques
Tits, called the theory of "buildings". The space of *all* flags is a
building; a building has lots of apartments in it. Buildings have a
reputation for being scary, because in his final polished treatment,
Tits started with a few rather unintuitive axioms and derived everything
from these. But, they're actually lots of fun if you draw enough
pictures!
Next, let me explain why people call atomic invariant relations
"double cosets".
First of all, what's a relation between two sets X and Y? We can
think of it as a subset S of X x Y: we say a pair (x,y) is in S
if the relation holds.
Next, suppose some group G acts on both X and Y. What's an "invariant"
relation? It's a subset S of X x Y such that whenever (x,y) is in S,
so is (gx,gy). In other words, the relation is preserved by the
symmetries.
Now let's take these simple ideas and make them sound more complicated,
to prove we're mathematicians. Some of you may want to take a little
nap right around now - I'm just trying to make contact with the usual
way experts talk about this stuff.
First, let's use an equivalent but more technical way to think of an
invariant relation: it's a subset of the quotient space G\(X x Y).
Note: often I'd call this quotient space (X x Y)/G. But now I'm
writing it with the G on the left side, since we had a *left* action
of G on X and Y, hence on X x Y - and in a minute we're gonna need
all the sides we can get!
Second, recall from last Week that if G acts *transitively* on both
X and Y, we have isomorphisms
X = G/H
and
Y = G/K
for certain subgroups H and K of G. Note: here we're really modding
out by the *right* action of H or K on G.
Combining these facts, we see that when G acts transitively on both
X and Y, an invariant relation is just a subset of
G\(X x Y) = G\(G/H x G/K)
Finally, if you lock yourself in a cellar and think about this for a
few minutes (or months), you'll realize that this weird-looking set is
isomorphic to
H\G/K
This notation may freak you out at first - I know it scared me!
The point is that we can take G, mod out by the right action of K
to get G/K, and then mod out by the left action of H on G/K, obtaining
H\(G/K).
Or we can take G, mod out by the left action of H to get H\G, and then
mod out by the right action of K on H\G, obtaining
(H\G)/K.
And, these two things are isomorphic! So, we relax and write
H\G/K
A point in here is called a "double coset": it's an equivalence class
consisting of all guys in G of the form
hgk
for some fixed g, where h ranges over H and k ranges over K.
Since subsets of H\G/K are invariant relations, we can think of a
point in H\G/K as an "atomic" invariant relation. Every invariant
relation is the union - the logical "or" - of a bunch of these.
So, just as any hunk of ordinary matter can be broken down into atoms,
every invariant statement you can make about an entity of type X and
an entity of type Y can broken down into "atomic" invariant relations -
also known as double cosets!
So, double cosets are cool. But, it's good to fit them into the "spans
of groupoids" perspective. When we do this, we'll see:
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
This relies on the simpler slogan I mentioned last time:
A GROUPOID EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A GROUP ACTION.
Let's see how it goes. Suppose we have two sets on which G acts
transitively, say X and Y. Pick a figure x of type X, and a figure y
of type Y. Let H be the stabilizer of x, and let K be the stabilizer
of y. Then we get isomorphisms
X = G/H
and
Y = G/K
The subgroup (H intersect K) stabilizes both x and y, and
Z = G/(H intersect K)
is another set on which G acts transitively. How can we think of this
set? It's the set of all pairs of figures, one of type X and one of
type Y, which are obtained by taking the pair (x,y) and applying
an element of G. So, it's a subset of X x Y that's invariant under
the action of G. In other words, its an invariant relation between
X and Y!
Furthermore, it's the smallest invariant subset of X x Y that contains
the pair (x,y). So, it's an *atomic* invariant relation - or in other
words, a double coset!
Now, let's see how to get a span of groupoids out of this. We have
a commutative diamond of group inclusions:
H intersect K
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
H K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
This gives a commutative diamond of spaces on which G acts
transitively:
G/(H intersect K)
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
G/H G/K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G/G
We already have names for three of these spaces - and G/G is just
a single point, say *:
Z
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X Y
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
*
Now, in "week249" I explained how you could form the "action groupoid"
X//G given a group G acting on a space X. If I were maniacally
consistent, I would write it as G\\X, since G is acting on the left.
But, I'm not. So, the above commutative diamond gives a commutative
diamond of groupoids:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
*//G
The groupoid on the bottom has one object, and one morphism for each
element of G. So, it's just G! So we have this:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
So - voila! - our double coset indeed gives a span of groupoids
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
X//G is the groupoid of figures just like x (up to symmetry), Y//G is
the groupoid of figures just like y, and Z//G is the groupoid of
*pairs* of figures satisfying the same atomic invariant relation as
the pair (x,y). For example, point-line pairs, where the point lies
on the line! For us, a pair of figures is just a more complicated
sort of figure.
But, this span of groupoids is a span "over G", meaning it's part of a
commutative diamond with G at the bottom:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
If you remember everything in "week249" - and I bet you don't -
you'll notice that this commutative diamond is equivalent to diamond
we started with:
H intersect K
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
H K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
We've just gone around in a loop! But that's okay, because we've
learned something en route.
To tersely summarize what we've learned, let's use the fact that a
groupoid is equivalent to a group precisely when it's "connected":
that is, all its objects are isomorphic. Furthermore, a functor between
connected groupoids is equivalent to an inclusion of groups precisely
when it's "faithful": one-to-one on each homset. So, when I said that
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
what I really meant was
A SPAN OF CONNECTED GROUPOIDS FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
If that's too terse, let me elaborate for you: a "span of connected
groupoids faithfully over G" is a commutative diamond
C
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
A B
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
where A,B,C are connected groupoids and the arrows are faithful
functors.
This sounds complicated, but it's mainly because we're trying to toss
in extra conditions to make our concepts match the old-fashioned "double
coset" notion. Here's a simpler, more general fact:
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A SPAN OF G-SETS.
where a "G-set" is a set on which G acts. This is the natural partner
of the slogan I explained last Week, though not in this language:
A GROUPOID FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A G-SET.
Things get even simpler if we drop the "faithfulness" assumption, and
simply work with groupoids over G, and spans of these. This takes
us out of the traditional realm of group actions on sets, and into the
21st century! And that's where we want to go.
Indeed, for the last couple weeks I've just been trying to lay out the
historical context for the Tale of Groupoidification, so experts can
see how the stuff to come relates to stuff that's already known. In
some ways things will get simpler when I stop doing this and march
ahead. But, I'll often be tempted to talk about group actions on
sets, and double cosets, and other traditional gadgets... so I feel
obliged to set the stage.
Okay - here's the answer to the puzzle. Close your eyes if you want
to think about it more.
An optimal strategy is for you and your friend to each look at your
own coin, and then guess that the other coin landed the other way:
heads if yours was tails, and tails if yours was heads. With this
strategy, the chance you're both correct is 1/2.
Or, you can both guess that the other coin landed the *same* way.
This works just as well.
The point is, you and your friend can do twice as well at this game
if you each use the result of your own coin toss to guess the result
of the other's coin toss!
It seems paradoxical that using this random and completely uncorrelated
piece of information - the result of your own coin toss - helps you
guess what your friend's coin will do, and vice versa.
But of course it *doesn't*. You each still have just a 1/2 chance of
guessing the other's coin toss correctly. What the trick accomplishes
is correlating your guesses, so you both guess right or both guess wrong
together. This improves the chance of winning from 1/2 x 1/2 (the
product of two independent probabilities) to 1/2.
By the way, the translation of the passage by Einstein is due to
Michael Friedman, a philosopher at Stanford; he used it in his talk
at this conference. There's a lot more to say about talks at this
conference. Let's see if I get around to it.
Also by the way: if you fix a collection of n G-sets, there's always a
Boolean algebra of n-ary invariant relations. Only the case n = 2 is
related to double cosets, but everything else I said generalizes
easily to higher n using "n-legged spans" of groupoids: an obvious
generalization of the 2-legged spans I've been discussing so far. In
Boolean algebra people often use the term "atom" to stand for an
element that can't be written as "P or Q" unless exactly one of P or
Q is tautologously false.
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April 26, 2007
This Week's Finds in Mathematical Physics (Week 250)
John Baez
Right now I'm in a country estate called Les Treilles in southern
France, at a conference organized by Alexei Grinbaum and Michel
Bitbol:
1) Philosophical and Formal Foundations of Modern Physics,http://www-drecam.cea.fr/Phocea/Vie_des_labos/Ast/ast_visu.php?id_ast...
It's very beautiful here, but about 20 philosophers, physicists
and mathematicians have agreed to spend six days indoors discussing
quantum gravity, the history of relativity, quantum information theory
and the like. And guess what? Now it's our afternoon off, and
I'm spending my time writing This Week's Finds! Some people just
don't know how to enjoy life.
In fact, I want to continue telling you The Tale of Groupoidification.
But before I do, here's a puzzle that Jeffrey Bub raised the other night
at dinner. It's not hard, but it's still a bit surprising.
You and your friend each flip a fair coin and then look at it.
You can't look at your friend's coin; they can't look at yours.
You can't exchange any information. Each of you must guess
whether the other person's coin lands heads up or tails up.
Your goal, as a team, is to maximize the chance that you're both
correct.
What's the best strategy, and what's the probability that you
both guess correctly?
Here's an obvious line of thought.
Since you don't have any information about your friend's coin flip,
it doesn't really matter what you guess. So, you might as well guess
"heads". You'll then have a 1/2 chance of being right. Similarly,
your friend might as well guess "heads" - or for that matter, "tails".
They'll also have a 1/2 chance of being right. So, the chance that
you're both right is 1/2 x 1/2 = 1/4.
I hope that sounds persuasive - but you can actually do much better!
How? I'll give away the answer at the end.
Jeffrey Bub is famous for his work on the philosophy of quantum
mechanics, and in his talk today he mentioned a similar but more
sophisticated game, the Popescu-Rohrlich game. Here you and your
friend each flip coins as before. But now, you each say "yes" or
"no". Your goal, as a team, is to give the same response when at
least one coin lands heads up, but different responses otherwise.
Classically the best you can do is both say "yes" - or, if you
prefer, both say "no". Then you'll have a 3/4 chance of winning.
But, if before playing the game you and your friend prepare a pair
of spin-1/2 particles in the Bell state, and you each keep one, you
can use these to boost your chance of winning to about 85%!
I think the underlying idea first appeared here:
1) S. Popescu and D. Rohrlich, Nonlocality as an axiom, Found. Phys.
24 (1994), 379-385.
For the "game" version, try this:
2) Nicolas Gisin, Can relativity be considered complete? From
Newtonian nonlocality to quantum nonlocality and beyond, available
as quant-ph/0512168.
There's a lot more to say about this - especially about the
"Popescu-Rohrlich box", a mythical device which would let you win
all the time at this game, but still not allow signalling. The
existence of such a box is logically possible, but forbidden by
quantum mechanics. It can only exist in certain "supra-quantum
theories" which allow even weirder correlations than quantum mechanics.
But, I don't understand this stuff, so you should just read this:
3) Valerio Scarani, Feats, features and failures of the PR-box,
available as quant-ph/0603017.
Okay - now for our Tale. I want to explain double cosets as spans
of groupoids... but it's best if I start with some special relativity.
Though Newton to have believed in some form of "absolute space",
the idea that motion is relative predates Einstein by a long time.
In 1632, in his Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems,
Galileo wrote:
Shut yourself up with some friend in the main cabin below decks on
some large ship, and have with you there some flies, butterflies,
and other small flying animals. Have a large bowl of water with some
fish in it; hang up a bottle that empties drop by drop into a wide
vessel beneath it. With the ship standing still, observe carefully how
the little animals fly with equal speed to all sides of the cabin. The
fish swim indifferently in all directions; the drops fall into the
vessel beneath; and, in throwing something to your friend, you need
throw it no more strongly in one direction than another, the distances
being equal; jumping with your feet together, you pass equal spaces
in every direction.
When you have observed all these things carefully (though doubtless
when the ship is standing still everything must happen in this way),
have the ship proceed with any speed you like, so long as the motion
is uniform and not fluctuating this way and that. You will discover
not the least change in all the effects named, nor could you tell
from any of them whether the ship was moving or standing still.
As a result, the coordinate transformation we use in Newtonian
mechanics to switch from one reference frame to another moving at
a constant velocity relative to the first is called a "Galilei
transformation". For example:
(t, x, y, z) |-> (t, x + vt, y, z)
By the time Maxwell came up with his equations describing light,
the idea of relativity of motion was well established. In 1876,
he wrote:
Our whole progress up to this point may be described as a gradual
development of the doctrine of relativity of all physical phenomena.
Position we must evidently acknowledge to be relative, for we cannot
describe the position of a body in any terms which do not express
relation. The ordinary language about motion and rest does not so
completely exclude the notion of their being measured absolutely, but
the reason of this is, that in our ordinary language we tacitly assume
that the earth is at rest.... There are no landmarks in space; one
portion of space is exactly like every other portion, so that we
cannot tell where we are. We are, as it were, on an unruffled sea,
without stars, compass, sounding, wind or tide, and we cannot tell in
what direction we are going. We have no log which we can case out to
take a dead reckoning by; we may compute our rate of motion with
respect to the neighboring bodies, but we do not know how these bodies
may be moving in space.
So, the big deal about special relativity is *not* that motion is
relative. It's that this is possible while keeping the speed of
light the same for everyone - as Maxwell's equations insist, and as
we indeed see! This is what forced people to replace Galilei
transformations by "Lorentz transformations", which have the
new feature that two coordinate systems moving relative to each
other will disagree not just on where things are, but *when* they
are.
As Einstein wrote in 1905:
Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to
discover any motion of the earth relative to the "light medium",
suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as mechanics
possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.
They suggest rather that, as has already been shown to the first
order of small quantities, the same laws of electrodynamics and
optics will be valid for all frames of reference for which the
equations of mechanics are valid. We will elevate this conjecture
(whose content will be called the "principle of relativity") to
the status of a postulate, and also introduce another postulate,
which is only apparently irreconcilable with it, namely, that
light is always propagated in empty space with a definite velocity
c which is independent of the state of motion of the emitting
body. These two postulates suffice for attaining a simple and
consistent theory of the electrodynamics of moving bodies based on
Maxwell's theory for stationary bodies.
So, what really changed with the advent of special relativity?
First, our understanding of precisely which transformations count
as symmetries of spacetime. These transformations form a *group*.
Before special relativity, it seemed the relevant group was a
10-dimensional gadget consisting of:
3 dimensions of spatial translations
1 dimension of time translations
3 dimensions of rotations
3 dimensions of Galilei transformations
Nowadays this is called the "Galilei group":
With special relativity, the relevant group became the "Poincare
group":
3 dimensions of spatial translations
1 dimension of time translations
3 dimensions of rotations
3 dimensions of Lorentz transformations
It's still 10-dimensional, not any bigger. But, it acts differently
as transformations of the spacetime coordinates (t,x,y,z).
Another thing that changed was our appreciation of the importance
of symmetry! Before the 20th century, group theory was not in the
toolkit of most theoretical physicists. Now it is.
Okay. Now suppose you're the only thing in the universe, floating in
empty space, not rotating. To make your stay in this thought experiment
a pleasant one, I'll give you a space suit. And for simplicity, suppose
special relativity holds true exactly, with no gravitational fields
to warp the geometry of spacetime.
Would the universe be any different if you were moving at constant
velocity? Or translated 2 feet to the left or right? Or turned
around? Or if it were one day later?
No! Not in any observable way, at least! It would seem exactly
the same.
So in this situation, it doesn't really make much sense to say
"where you are", or "which way you're facing", or "what time it is".
There are no "invariant propositions" to make about your location
or motion. In other words, there's nothing to say whose truth value
remains unchanged after you apply a symmetry.
Well, *almost* nothing to say! The logicians in the crowd will note
that you can say "T": the tautologously true statement. You can also
say "F": the tautologously false statement. But, these aren't terribly
interesting.
Next, suppose you have a friend also floating through space. Now
there are more interesting invariant propositions. There's nothing
much invariant to say about just you, and nothing to say about just
your friend, but there are invariant *relations*. For example, you
can measure your friend's speed relative to you, or your distance of
closest approach.
Mathematicians study invariant relations using a tool called "double
cosets". I want to explain these today, since we'll need them soon
in the Tale of Groupoidification.
"Double cosets" sound technical, but that's just to keep timid people
from understanding the subject. A double coset is secretly just an
"atomic" invariant relation: one that can't be expressed as "P or Q"
where P and Q are themselves invariant relations - unless precisely
one of P or Q is tautologously false.
So, atomic invariant relations are like prime numbers: they can't
be broken down into simpler bits. And, as we'll see, every invariant
relation can be built out of atomic ones!
Here's an example in the case we're considering:
"My friend's speed relative to me is 50 meters/second, and our
distance of closest approach is 10 meters."
This is clearly an invariant relation. It's atomic if we idealize
the situation and assume you and your friends are points - so we
can't ask which way you're facing, whether you're waving at each other,
etc.
To see *why* it's atomic, note that we can always find a frame of
reference where you're at rest and your friend is moving by like this:
-----FRIEND---->
YOU
If you and your friend are points, the situation is *completely
described* (up to symmetries) by the relative speed and distance
of closest approach. So, the invariant relation quoted above
can't be written as "P or Q" for other invariant relations.
The same analysis shows that in this example, *every* atomic invariant
relation is of this form:
"My friend's speed relative to me is s, and our distance of
closest approach is d."
for some nonnegative numbers s and d.
(Quiz: why don't we need to let s be negative if your friend is moving
to the left?)
From this example, it's clear there are often infinitely many
double cosets. But there are some wonderful examples with just
*finitely many* double cosets - and these are what I'll focus
on in our Tale.
Here's the simplest one. Suppose we're doing projective plane
geometry. This is a bit like Euclidean plane geometry, but there are
more symmetries: every transformation that preserves lines is allowed.
So, in addition to translations and rotations, we also have other
symmetries.
For example, imagine taking a blackboard with some points and lines
on it:
\ /
------------x-----------x-----------
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
x
/ \
/ \
/ \
We can translate it and rotate it. But, we can also view it from
an angle: that's another symmetry in projective geometry! This
hints at how projective geometry arose from the study of perspective
in painting.
We get even more symmetries if we use a clever trick. Suppose we're
standing on the blackboard, and it extends infinitely like an endless
plain. Points on the horizon aren't really points on the blackboard.
They're called "points at infinity". But, it's nice to include them
as part of the so-called "projective plane". They make things simpler:
now every pair of lines intersects in a unique point, just as every pair
of points lies on a unique line. You've probably seen how parallel
railroad tracks seem to meet at the horizon - that's what I'm talking
about here. And, by including these extra points at infinity, we get
extra symmetries that map points at infinity to ordinary points, and
vice versa.
I gave a more formal introduction to projective geometry in "week106"
and "week145", and "week178". If you read these, you'll know that
points in the projective plane correspond to lines through the origin
in a 3d space. And, you'll know a bit about the group of symmetries in
projective geometry: it's the group G = PGL(3), consisting of 3x3
invertible matrices, modulo scalars.
(I actually said SL(3), but I was being sloppy - this is another group
with the same Lie algebra.)
For some great examples of double cosets, let F be the space of "flags".
A "flag" is a very general concept, but in projective plane geometry a
flag is just a point x on a line y:
-----------------x----------------
y
An amazing fact is that there are precisely 6 atomic invariant relations
between a pair of flags. You can see them all in this picture:
\ /
------------x-----------x'----------
\ / y
\ /
\ /
\ /
\ /
x"
/ \
/ \
y'/ \y"
There are six flags here, and each exemplifies a different
atomic invariant relation to our favorite flag, say (x,y).
For example, the flag (x',y') has the following relation to (x,y):
"The point of (x',y') lies on the line of (x,y), and no more."
By "no more" I mean that no further incidence relations hold.
There's a lot more to say about this, and we'll need to delve into
it much deeper soon... but not yet. For now, I just want to mention
that all this stuff generalizes from G = PGL(3) to any other simple
Lie group! And, the picture above is an example of a general concept,
called an "apartment". Apartments are a great way to visualize
atomic invariant relations between flags.
This "apartment" business is part of a wonderful theory due to Jacques
Tits, called the theory of "buildings". The space of *all* flags is a
building; a building has lots of apartments in it. Buildings have a
reputation for being scary, because in his final polished treatment,
Tits started with a few rather unintuitive axioms and derived everything
from these. But, they're actually lots of fun if you draw enough
pictures!
Next, let me explain why people call atomic invariant relations
"double cosets".
First of all, what's a relation between two sets X and Y? We can
think of it as a subset S of X x Y: we say a pair (x,y) is in S
if the relation holds.
Next, suppose some group G acts on both X and Y. What's an "invariant"
relation? It's a subset S of X x Y such that whenever (x,y) is in S,
so is (gx,gy). In other words, the relation is preserved by the
symmetries.
Now let's take these simple ideas and make them sound more complicated,
to prove we're mathematicians. Some of you may want to take a little
nap right around now - I'm just trying to make contact with the usual
way experts talk about this stuff.
First, let's use an equivalent but more technical way to think of an
invariant relation: it's a subset of the quotient space G\(X x Y).
Note: often I'd call this quotient space (X x Y)/G. But now I'm
writing it with the G on the left side, since we had a *left* action
of G on X and Y, hence on X x Y - and in a minute we're gonna need
all the sides we can get!
Second, recall from last Week that if G acts *transitively* on both
X and Y, we have isomorphisms
X = G/H
and
Y = G/K
for certain subgroups H and K of G. Note: here we're really modding
out by the *right* action of H or K on G.
Combining these facts, we see that when G acts transitively on both
X and Y, an invariant relation is just a subset of
G\(X x Y) = G\(G/H x G/K)
Finally, if you lock yourself in a cellar and think about this for a
few minutes (or months), you'll realize that this weird-looking set is
isomorphic to
H\G/K
This notation may freak you out at first - I know it scared me!
The point is that we can take G, mod out by the right action of K
to get G/K, and then mod out by the left action of H on G/K, obtaining
H\(G/K).
Or we can take G, mod out by the left action of H to get H\G, and then
mod out by the right action of K on H\G, obtaining
(H\G)/K.
And, these two things are isomorphic! So, we relax and write
H\G/K
A point in here is called a "double coset": it's an equivalence class
consisting of all guys in G of the form
hgk
for some fixed g, where h ranges over H and k ranges over K.
Since subsets of H\G/K are invariant relations, we can think of a
point in H\G/K as an "atomic" invariant relation. Every invariant
relation is the union - the logical "or" - of a bunch of these.
So, just as any hunk of ordinary matter can be broken down into atoms,
every invariant statement you can make about an entity of type X and
an entity of type Y can broken down into "atomic" invariant relations -
also known as double cosets!
So, double cosets are cool. But, it's good to fit them into the "spans
of groupoids" perspective. When we do this, we'll see:
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
This relies on the simpler slogan I mentioned last time:
A GROUPOID EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A GROUP ACTION.
Let's see how it goes. Suppose we have two sets on which G acts
transitively, say X and Y. Pick a figure x of type X, and a figure y
of type Y. Let H be the stabilizer of x, and let K be the stabilizer
of y. Then we get isomorphisms
X = G/H
and
Y = G/K
The subgroup (H intersect K) stabilizes both x and y, and
Z = G/(H intersect K)
is another set on which G acts transitively. How can we think of this
set? It's the set of all pairs of figures, one of type X and one of
type Y, which are obtained by taking the pair (x,y) and applying
an element of G. So, it's a subset of X x Y that's invariant under
the action of G. In other words, its an invariant relation between
X and Y!
Furthermore, it's the smallest invariant subset of X x Y that contains
the pair (x,y). So, it's an *atomic* invariant relation - or in other
words, a double coset!
Now, let's see how to get a span of groupoids out of this. We have
a commutative diamond of group inclusions:
H intersect K
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
H K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
This gives a commutative diamond of spaces on which G acts
transitively:
G/(H intersect K)
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
G/H G/K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G/G
We already have names for three of these spaces - and G/G is just
a single point, say *:
Z
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X Y
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
*
Now, in "week249" I explained how you could form the "action groupoid"
X//G given a group G acting on a space X. If I were maniacally
consistent, I would write it as G\\X, since G is acting on the left.
But, I'm not. So, the above commutative diamond gives a commutative
diamond of groupoids:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
*//G
The groupoid on the bottom has one object, and one morphism for each
element of G. So, it's just G! So we have this:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
So - voila! - our double coset indeed gives a span of groupoids
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
X//G is the groupoid of figures just like x (up to symmetry), Y//G is
the groupoid of figures just like y, and Z//G is the groupoid of
*pairs* of figures satisfying the same atomic invariant relation as
the pair (x,y). For example, point-line pairs, where the point lies
on the line! For us, a pair of figures is just a more complicated
sort of figure.
But, this span of groupoids is a span "over G", meaning it's part of a
commutative diamond with G at the bottom:
Z//G
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
X//G Y//G
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
If you remember everything in "week249" - and I bet you don't -
you'll notice that this commutative diamond is equivalent to diamond
we started with:
H intersect K
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
H K
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
We've just gone around in a loop! But that's okay, because we've
learned something en route.
To tersely summarize what we've learned, let's use the fact that a
groupoid is equivalent to a group precisely when it's "connected":
that is, all its objects are isomorphic. Furthermore, a functor between
connected groupoids is equivalent to an inclusion of groups precisely
when it's "faithful": one-to-one on each homset. So, when I said that
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS EQUIPPED WITH CERTAIN EXTRA STUFF IS
THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
what I really meant was
A SPAN OF CONNECTED GROUPOIDS FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A DOUBLE COSET.
If that's too terse, let me elaborate for you: a "span of connected
groupoids faithfully over G" is a commutative diamond
C
/ \
/ \
/ \
v v
A B
\ /
\ /
\ /
v v
G
where A,B,C are connected groupoids and the arrows are faithful
functors.
This sounds complicated, but it's mainly because we're trying to toss
in extra conditions to make our concepts match the old-fashioned "double
coset" notion. Here's a simpler, more general fact:
A SPAN OF GROUPOIDS FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A SPAN OF G-SETS.
where a "G-set" is a set on which G acts. This is the natural partner
of the slogan I explained last Week, though not in this language:
A GROUPOID FAITHFULLY OVER G
IS THE SAME AS A G-SET.
Things get even simpler if we drop the "faithfulness" assumption, and
simply work with groupoids over G, and spans of these. This takes
us out of the traditional realm of group actions on sets, and into the
21st century! And that's where we want to go.
Indeed, for the last couple weeks I've just been trying to lay out the
historical context for the Tale of Groupoidification, so experts can
see how the stuff to come relates to stuff that's already known. In
some ways things will get simpler when I stop doing this and march
ahead. But, I'll often be tempted to talk about group actions on
sets, and double cosets, and other traditional gadgets... so I feel
obliged to set the stage.
Okay - here's the answer to the puzzle. Close your eyes if you want
to think about it more.
An optimal strategy is for you and your friend to each look at your
own coin, and then guess that the other coin landed the other way:
heads if yours was tails, and tails if yours was heads. With this
strategy, the chance you're both correct is 1/2.
Or, you can both guess that the other coin landed the *same* way.
This works just as well.
The point is, you and your friend can do twice as well at this game
if you each use the result of your own coin toss to guess the result
of the other's coin toss!
It seems paradoxical that using this random and completely uncorrelated
piece of information - the result of your own coin toss - helps you
guess what your friend's coin will do, and vice versa.
But of course it *doesn't*. You each still have just a 1/2 chance of
guessing the other's coin toss correctly. What the trick accomplishes
is correlating your guesses, so you both guess right or both guess wrong
together. This improves the chance of winning from 1/2 x 1/2 (the
product of two independent probabilities) to 1/2.
By the way, the translation of the passage by Einstein is due to
Michael Friedman, a philosopher at Stanford; he used it in his talk
at this conference. There's a lot more to say about talks at this
conference. Let's see if I get around to it.
Also by the way: if you fix a collection of n G-sets, there's always a
Boolean algebra of n-ary invariant relations. Only the case n = 2 is
related to double cosets, but everything else I said generalizes
easily to higher n using "n-legged spans" of groupoids: an obvious
generalization of the 2-legged spans I've been discussing so far. In
Boolean algebra people often use the term "atom" to stand for an
element that can't be written as "P or Q" unless exactly one of P or
Q is tautologously false.
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Hah ha,
Copnhagen.
You loose.Learn Eeinstin. Ha ha.
Learn chance in fifth abstract not fourth.
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On Apr 26, 3:46 pm, (John Baez)
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[A long message.]
Hah ha,
Copnhagen.
You loose.Learn Eeinstin. Ha ha.
Learn chance in fifth abstract not fourth.
What's the matter with you? You quote verbatim a long message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC),
baez@math.removethis.ucr.andthis.edu (John Baez) wrote:
Though Newton to have believed in some form of "absolute space",
the idea that motion is relative predates Einstein by a long time.
It's a stupid idea and here is the simple reason why:
More Nasty Little Truths About Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm
[begin quote]
The Crackpottery
We have all been taught that there is no such thing as absolute motion
or position or that every motion and position in the universe is
relative. This unsubstantiated belief, which I have named exclusive
relativity, has been around for centuries, even before the advent of
Albert Einstein and the theory of relativity. It was not until early
in the twentieth century, however, that exclusive relativity became in
vogue. Nowadays most physicists consider the concept of absolute
motion to be no more credible than the flat earth.
Simple Proof #1 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
If all positions are relative, then we have a self-referential system
in which every position is ultimately relative to itself. For example,
suppose we have a two-body universe. Body A's position is relative to
body B's position and vice versa. Since both positions are relative to
the other and there are no other bodies, each body's position is
ultimately relative to itself. Of course, it does not matter whether
there are only two bodies or a billion. Since every position is
relative to every other position, the system is self-referential.
Exclusive relativity amounts to saying things like, "you are as tall
as you are" or "this sound is as loud as itself" or "pick yourself up
by your own bootstraps." Of course this is silly but this is the sort
of silliness we have to believe in if we accept exclusive relativity.
Simple Proof #2 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Suppose there is a force acting on a particle so as to accelerate it.
The particle has as many relative velocities as there are possible
frames of reference, an infinite number in fact. Which of the myriads
of relative velocities does the force change? How does the
accelerating agent know about them so as to change them all? Answer,
it does not. Only one velocity is changed by the force because it has
no access to the others. The others are abstract, i.e., non-physical.
Simple Proof #3 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Let's consider the motion of a particle. How does a particle "know"
about its motion or rest relative to extrinsic frames of references so
as to move or be at rest relative to them? Are particles psychic? I
think not. No particle in the universe can make use of the relative
because it has no access to it. It follows that the universe does not
use the relative. The only properties that it can use are absolute
ones.
The Nasty Little Truth
The nasty little truth turns out to be the exact opposite of what we
have been taught to believe. The only type of motion or position in
the universe is absolute. The relative is abstract and dependent on
the absolute. Exclusive relativity is part of what I have been calling
chicken feather voodoo physics, because if we subscribe to it, we have
to believe that things happen as if by magic.
The Relativist's Objection
Exclusive relativists will immediately retort that if it cannot be
measured or observed, it does not exist. Never mind for now that
physics is bloated with concepts and models (time dimension,
spacetime, curled up dimensions, etc...) that are impossible to test
empirically.
First of all, it is a misconception that we measure the relative
directly. We perceive only absolute sensations (such as photons
impinging on the light detectors in the retina) and we interpret them
as meaning that object A is moving relative to body B. Sure, it's a
logical and sensible interpretation but it is an indirect one
nonetheless. It must be inferred.
Second, a truth that can be deduced logically is just as valid as a
truth that can be experienced first hand. Is it not more beneficial to
know the fundamental truth of absolute motion than it is to bury one's
head in the sand and act as if it does not exist? Which is better,
ignorance or knowledge? And who knows what new insight may come out of
it?
Absolute Space?
Does this mean that one should believe in an absolute space à la
Newton? Absolutely not. In the physical universe there exist only
particles, their properties and their interactions. Since all
properties are intrinsic to particles, they are therefore absolute
(independent) by virtue of being intrinsic. I'll have more to say
about this when I discuss the next nasty little truth about physics.
Besides, the absolute does not need a reference frame to be relative
to. That is the definition of the relative. Absolute means
independent.
[end quote]
ahahaha... Now it does not surprise me that John Baez, a puzzle freak,
would believe in exclusive relativity. He also believes in other
equally stupid crap:
Quoted From:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/physicists.htm#Baez
[beging quote]
John Baez
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/1999-07/msg0016990.html
[Dr. Baez knows that nothing moves in spacetime (how could he not
know?) but, if cornered, he'll beat around the bush and mumble
something about the definition of motion. Rather than discard the time
axis, Dr. Baez believes that there are an infinite number of nows. Of
course, he fails to explain how one moves from one "now" to the next
one so as to perceive motion. He'd be hard pressed to do so since
nothing can move in spacetime. But Baez is full of contradictions.
While he claims that spacetime is a changeless collection of nows, he
nevertheless continues to talk about motion in spacetime, witness this
excerpt from his own site:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/background.html]
"So when you combine electrodynamics with general relativity, the
geometry of spacetime doesn't just affect the motion of light through
spacetime - it's also affected by the motion of light through
spacetime! More generally, the curvature of spacetime affects the
motion of matter, while matter curves spacetime."
[This begs a couple of questions. 1) How can something that is
changeless affect anything and 2) How can something that is changeless
be affected by anything? I've always found it hard to understand how
someone can live with such blatant contradictions and still fool
others into believing he has a clue. Note that Dr. Baez dreams of
unifying General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics. We should all wish
him a lot of luck because he's going to need it.]
[end quote]
Conclusion: John Baez is stupid as *****. But we all knew that.
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
Louis Savain
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC),
baez@math.removethis.ucr.andthis.edu (John Baez) wrote:
Though Newton to have believed in some form of "absolute space",
the idea that motion is relative predates Einstein by a long time.
It's a stupid idea and here is the simple reason why:
More Nasty Little Truths About Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm
[begin quote]
The Crackpottery
We have all been taught that there is no such thing as absolute motion
or position or that every motion and position in the universe is
relative. This unsubstantiated belief, which I have named exclusive
relativity, has been around for centuries, even before the advent of
Albert Einstein and the theory of relativity. It was not until early
in the twentieth century, however, that exclusive relativity became in
vogue. Nowadays most physicists consider the concept of absolute
motion to be no more credible than the flat earth.
Simple Proof #1
That Louis Savain is in desperate need of therapy.
That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
If all positions are relative, then we have a self-referential system
in which every position is ultimately relative to itself. For example,
suppose we have a two-body universe. Body A's position is relative to
body B's position and vice versa. Since both positions are relative to
the other and there are no other bodies, each body's position is
ultimately relative to itself. Of course, it does not matter whether
there are only two bodies or a billion. Since every position is
relative to every other position, the system is self-referential.
Exclusive relativity amounts to saying things like, "you are as tall
as you are" or "this sound is as loud as itself" or "pick yourself up
by your own bootstraps." Of course this is silly but this is the sort
of silliness we have to believe in if we accept exclusive relativity.
Simple Proof #2 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Suppose there is a force acting on a particle so as to accelerate it.
The particle has as many relative velocities as there are possible
frames of reference, an infinite number in fact. Which of the myriads
of relative velocities does the force change? How does the
accelerating agent know about them so as to change them all? Answer,
it does not. Only one velocity is changed by the force because it has
no access to the others. The others are abstract, i.e., non-physical.
Simple Proof #3 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Let's consider the motion of a particle. How does a particle "know"
about its motion or rest relative to extrinsic frames of references so
as to move or be at rest relative to them? Are particles psychic? I
think not. No particle in the universe can make use of the relative
because it has no access to it. It follows that the universe does not
use the relative. The only properties that it can use are absolute
ones.
The Nasty Little Truth
The nasty little truth turns out to be the exact opposite of what we
have been taught to believe. The only type of motion or position in
the universe is absolute. The relative is abstract and dependent on
the absolute. Exclusive relativity is part of what I have been calling
chicken feather voodoo physics, because if we subscribe to it, we have
to believe that things happen as if by magic.
The Relativist's Objection
Exclusive relativists will immediately retort that if it cannot be
measured or observed, it does not exist. Never mind for now that
physics is bloated with concepts and models (time dimension,
spacetime, curled up dimensions, etc...) that are impossible to test
empirically.
First of all, it is a misconception that we measure the relative
directly. We perceive only absolute sensations (such as photons
impinging on the light detectors in the retina) and we interpret them
as meaning that object A is moving relative to body B. Sure, it's a
logical and sensible interpretation but it is an indirect one
nonetheless. It must be inferred.
Second, a truth that can be deduced logically is just as valid as a
truth that can be experienced first hand. Is it not more beneficial to
know the fundamental truth of absolute motion than it is to bury one's
head in the sand and act as if it does not exist? Which is better,
ignorance or knowledge? And who knows what new insight may come out of
it?
Absolute Space?
Does this mean that one should believe in an absolute space à la
Newton? Absolutely not. In the physical universe there exist only
particles, their properties and their interactions. Since all
properties are intrinsic to particles, they are therefore absolute
(independent) by virtue of being intrinsic. I'll have more to say
about this when I discuss the next nasty little truth about physics.
Besides, the absolute does not need a reference frame to be relative
to. That is the definition of the relative. Absolute means
independent.
[end quote]
ahahaha... Now it does not surprise me that John Baez, a puzzle freak,
would believe in exclusive relativity. He also believes in other
equally stupid crap:
Quoted From:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/physicists.htm#Baez
[beging quote]
John Baez
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/1999-07/msg0016990.html
[Dr. Baez knows that nothing moves in spacetime (how could he not
know?) but, if cornered, he'll beat around the bush and mumble
something about the definition of motion. Rather than discard the time
axis, Dr. Baez believes that there are an infinite number of nows. Of
course, he fails to explain how one moves from one "now" to the next
one so as to perceive motion. He'd be hard pressed to do so since
nothing can move in spacetime. But Baez is full of contradictions.
While he claims that spacetime is a changeless collection of nows, he
nevertheless continues to talk about motion in spacetime, witness this
excerpt from his own site:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/background.html]
"So when you combine electrodynamics with general relativity, the
geometry of spacetime doesn't just affect the motion of light through
spacetime - it's also affected by the motion of light through
spacetime! More generally, the curvature of spacetime affects the
motion of matter, while matter curves spacetime."
[This begs a couple of questions. 1) How can something that is
changeless affect anything and 2) How can something that is changeless
be affected by anything? I've always found it hard to understand how
someone can live with such blatant contradictions and still fool
others into believing he has a clue. Note that Dr. Baez dreams of
unifying General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics. We should all wish
him a lot of luck because he's going to need it.]
[end quote]
Conclusion: John Baez is stupid as *****. But we all knew that.
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
And here we have that wonderful engaging laugh of yours, while demonstrating
your rampant jealously of your betters.
Bill
Louis Savain
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
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27 Apr 2007 10:49:13 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:23:18 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <rubbish@junk.com>
wrote:
(snip)
Conclusion: John Baez is stupid as *****. But we all knew that.
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahahaha...
And here we have that wonderful engaging laugh of yours, while demonstrating
your rampant jealously of your betters.
Bill
Is he/she/it laughing? Maybe this is an allergy response and
he/she/it is stifling a sneeze so he/she/it won't blow snot all
over his/her/its keyboard.
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27 Apr 2007 11:27:54 AM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 10:49:13 -0500, Gordon <gordonlr@DELETEswbell.net>
wrote:
[cut lame crap]
Whosw ***** are you kissing here, Gordon? Baez's ***** or Bobba's?
ahahaha... AHAHAHA... ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Physics From the Bible!
Shaking the Foundations of Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Seraphim/Physics.htm
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26 Apr 2007 08:07:50 PM |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 00:23:18 GMT, "Bill Hobba" <rubbish@junk.com>
wrote:
And here we have that wonderful engaging laugh of yours, while demonstrating
your rampant jealously of your betters.
Better be jealous than be an ***** kisser, eh Bobba? ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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27 Apr 2007 04:01:34 AM |
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"Traveler" <traveler@nospam.net> wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 19:46:15 +0000 (UTC),
baez@math.removethis.ucr.andthis.edu (John Baez) wrote:
Though Newton to have believed in some form of "absolute space",
the idea that motion is relative predates Einstein by a long time.
At least that is correct ;-)
It's a stupid idea and here is the simple reason why:
More Nasty Little Truths About Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Crackpots/nasty.htm
[begin quote]
The Crackpottery
We have all been taught that there is no such thing as absolute motion
or position or that every motion and position in the universe is
relative.
Often it depends on what one means with such a statement - it's in fact
highly ambiguous...
This unsubstantiated belief, which I have named exclusive
relativity, has been around for centuries, even before the advent of
Albert Einstein and the theory of relativity. It was not until early
in the twentieth century, however, that exclusive relativity became in
vogue. Nowadays most physicists consider the concept of absolute
motion to be no more credible than the flat earth.
Simple Proof #1 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
If all positions are relative, then we have a self-referential system
in which every position is ultimately relative to itself. For example,
suppose we have a two-body universe. Body A's position is relative to
body B's position and vice versa. Since both positions are relative to
the other and there are no other bodies, each body's position is
ultimately relative to itself.
I'm afraid that you lost me here ...
Of course, it does not matter whether
there are only two bodies or a billion. Since every position is
relative to every other position, the system is self-referential.
Exclusive relativity amounts to saying things like, "you are as tall
as you are" or "this sound is as loud as itself" or "pick yourself up
by your own bootstraps." Of course this is silly but this is the sort
of silliness we have to believe in if we accept exclusive relativity.
Simple Proof #2 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Suppose there is a force acting on a particle so as to accelerate it.
The particle has as many relative velocities as there are possible
frames of reference, an infinite number in fact. Which of the myriads
of relative velocities does the force change? How does the
accelerating agent know about them so as to change them all? Answer,
it does not. Only one velocity is changed by the force because it has
no access to the others. The others are abstract, i.e., non-physical.
I managed to follow that, and I think you have a point there, but it's not
well explained - little chance that you'll convince anyone to change his
mind with that.
Simple Proof #3 That Exclusive Relativity Is Bogus
Let's consider the motion of a particle. How does a particle "know"
about its motion or rest relative to extrinsic frames of references so
as to move or be at rest relative to them?
That is really unconvincing I'm afraid - people will just rebut that the
particle doesn't care.
Are particles psychic? I
think not. No particle in the universe can make use of the relative
because it has no access to it. It follows that the universe does not
use the relative. The only properties that it can use are absolute
ones.
The Nasty Little Truth
The nasty little truth turns out to be the exact opposite of what we
have been taught to believe. The only type of motion or position in
the universe is absolute. The relative is abstract and dependent on
the absolute. Exclusive relativity is part of what I have been calling
chicken feather voodoo physics, because if we subscribe to it, we have
to believe that things happen as if by magic.
Funny enough: when such relativity is pushed to the extreme, even some who
commonly subscribe to it *do* agree with calling it "magic". ;-)
-
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/msg/9b323dae37425ed2?hl=en&
The Relativist's Objection
Exclusive relativists will immediately retort that if it cannot be
measured or observed, it does not exist. Never mind for now that
physics is bloated with concepts and models (time dimension,
spacetime, curled up dimensions, etc...) that are impossible to test
empirically.
Yup.
First of all, it is a misconception that we measure the relative
directly. We perceive only absolute sensations (such as photons
impinging on the light detectors in the retina) and we interpret them
as meaning that object A is moving relative to body B. Sure, it's a
logical and sensible interpretation but it is an indirect one
nonetheless. It must be inferred.
Second, a truth that can be deduced logically is just as valid as a
truth that can be experienced first hand. Is it not more beneficial to
know the fundamental truth of absolute motion than it is to bury one's
head in the sand and act as if it does not exist? Which is better,
ignorance or knowledge? And who knows what new insight may come out of
it?
That's a bit problematic: for the last century, little new insight came out
of it. But then, it sometimes argued that that also little effort went into
it.
Absolute Space?
Does this mean that one should believe in an absolute space à la
Newton? Absolutely not.
Indeed, Lorentz and Einstein modified that concept for the macro world, and
quantum mechanics delivered additional new clues.
In the physical universe there exist only
particles, their properties and their interactions.
Is that your postulate? What do you mean with "particles"?
Since all
properties are intrinsic to particles, they are therefore absolute
(independent) by virtue of being intrinsic. I'll have more to say
about this when I discuss the next nasty little truth about physics.
Besides, the absolute does not need a reference frame to be relative
to. That is the definition of the relative. Absolute means
independent.
[end quote]
ahahaha... Now it does not surprise me that John Baez, a puzzle freak,
would believe in exclusive relativity. He also believes in other
equally stupid crap:
Hmm... personal attacks are the downfall of discussion groups.
[SNIP]
Harald
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26 Apr 2007 07:57:57 PM |
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On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding than being an actual
contributor.
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Eric Gisse wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler
<trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking
phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding
than being an actual contributor.
Sounds as stupid as saying in politics that the
opposition is unnecessary.
Opposition keeps the majority in check.
And I largely agree with Louis Savain.
Baez is a typical product of educational
indoctrination. Just as Davies is.
I therefore claim to show, not how men think in
myths, but how myths operate in men’s minds without
their being aware of the fact.-- Claude Lévi-Strauss
Uwe Hayek.
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On May 1, 10:49 am, Hayek <haye...@nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
EricGissewrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler
<trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking
phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding
than being an actual contributor.
Sounds as stupid as saying in politics that the
opposition is unnecessary.
Opposition keeps the majority in check.
And I largely agree with Louis Savain.
Baez is a typical product of educational
indoctrination. Just as Davies is.
I assume you have cleverly avoided 'educational indoctrination' by
having no education yourself, correct?
I therefore claim to show, not how men think in
myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without
their being aware of the fact.-- Claude L=E9vi-Strauss
Uwe Hayek.
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01 May 2007 03:56:06 PM |
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On 1 May 2007 12:17:18 -0700, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 1, 10:49 am, Hayek <haye...@nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
EricGissewrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler
<trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking
phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding
than being an actual contributor.
Sounds as stupid as saying in politics that the
opposition is unnecessary.
Opposition keeps the majority in check.
And I largely agree with Louis Savain.
Baez is a typical product of educational
indoctrination. Just as Davies is.
I assume you have cleverly avoided 'educational indoctrination' by
having no education yourself, correct?
ahahaha... Hayek obviously has not been educated into the finer art of
***** kissing, as you have, Gisse. When you kiss the asses of your
masters, it's something to behold. Your friend van de merde should
take notice. He's been slacking lately. ahahaha... As far as I can
tell, your main competion is Uncle Shfartz. ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Physics From the Bible!
Shaking the Foundations of Physics:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Seraphim/Physics.htm
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01 May 2007 03:59:49 PM |
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In article <gt9f33lhmsdfb95sif50qdkvqg02e5c8pv@4ax.com>,
Traveler <traveler@nospam.net> wrote:
I assume you have cleverly avoided 'educational indoctrination' by
having no education yourself, correct?
ahahaha... Hayek obviously has not been educated into the finer art of
***** kissing, as you have, Gisse. When you kiss the asses of your
masters, it's something to behold. Your friend van de merde should
take notice. He's been slacking lately. ahahaha... As far as I can
tell, your main competion is Uncle Shfartz. ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...
Louis Savain
And you prove Gisse right.
--
Sacred keeper of the Hollow Sphere, and the space within the Coffee Boy
singularity.
COOSN-174-07-82116: alt.astronomy's favourite poster (from a survey taken
of the saucerhead high command).
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01 May 2007 08:12:44 PM |
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On May 1, 12:56 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
On 1 May 2007 12:17:18 -0700, Eric Gisse <jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On May 1, 10:49 am, Hayek <haye...@nospam.xs4all.nl> wrote:
EricGissewrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler
<trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking
phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding
than being an actual contributor.
Sounds as stupid as saying in politics that the
opposition is unnecessary.
Opposition keeps the majority in check.
And I largely agree with Louis Savain.
Baez is a typical product of educational
indoctrination. Just as Davies is.
I assume you have cleverly avoided 'educational indoctrination' by
having no education yourself, correct?
ahahaha... Hayek obviously has not been educated into the finer art of
***** kissing, as you have, Gisse. When you kiss the asses of your
masters, it's something to behold. Your friend van de merde should
take notice. He's been slacking lately. ahahaha... As far as I can
tell, your main competion is Uncle Shfartz. ahahaha... AHAHAHA...
ahahaha...
Do you actually talk like this?
Louis Savain
Physics From the Bible!
Shaking the Foundations of Physics:http://www.rebelscience.org/Seraphim/Physics.htm
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26 Apr 2007 08:06:22 PM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 17:57:57 -0700, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding than being an actual
contributor.
What does Baez's ***** smell like today, Gisse? ahahaha...
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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27 Apr 2007 01:15:34 AM |
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On Apr 26, 5:06 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2007 17:57:57 -0700, EricGisse<jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding than being an actual
contributor.
What does Baez's ***** smell like today,Gisse? ahahaha...
like a field of flowers
Louis Savain
Why Software Is Bad and What We Can Do to Fix It:http://www.rebelscience.org/Cosas/Reliability.htm
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27 Apr 2007 05:45:13 AM |
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On 26 Apr 2007 23:15:34 -0700, Eric Gisse <jowr.pi@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 5:06 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
On 26 Apr 2007 17:57:57 -0700, EricGisse<jowr...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 4:15 pm, Traveler <trave...@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
Making phun of physicists is so much phucking phun! ahahaha...
Yes, being a heckler is so much more rewarding than being an actual
contributor.
What does Baez's ***** smell like today,Gisse? ahahaha. | | | | | |