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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "Jimmy"
Date: 13 Nov 2004 06:08:01 AM
Object: Time
What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?
Thanks
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User: "Eugene Shubert http://www.everythingimportant.org"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 07:06:24 AM
"Jimmy" <jimmxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BOmld.8605$d5.73429@newsb.telia.net...

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved
that time exist outside our mind?

Time is tied to motion. If you don't believe in motion, then what do
you think is happening when you're traveling down the highway in your
car? To test your theory, I suggest that you perform this experiment.
Next time you're in your car and the speedometer says you're going
65 mph, steer your car directly into oncoming traffic. Then report
back to us and tell us how reality changed for you.
Eugene Shubert
http://www.everythingimportant.org/relativity/special.pdf
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User: "Mitchell"

Title: Re: Time 14 Nov 2004 08:38:51 PM
"Jimmy" <jimmxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<BOmld.8605$d5.73429@newsb.telia.net>...

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Thanks

In order to measure a property such as time you must possess that
property. A clock is time. It possesses that quality as does
every physical object. Matter has the quality of time. That
is why a clock can measure it.
Time must have a substance. If time is a physical quantity then it properly
belongs to physics. The sign of time's substance is in the fact that
it can be slowed down.
I believe time is a metaphysical substance; a motion that transforms.
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User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 12:18:04 PM
Jimmy wrote:


What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Radioactive decay.
Time is what a clock measures. Observation is irrelevant (possible
exception with a clock frozen by the quantum Zeno effect).
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 07:41:32 AM
Jimmy wrote:

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Thanks


Dimension
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Dimension.html
Time
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/Time.html
Special Relativity
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/SpecialRelativity.html
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User: "Peter Kupfer"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 09:11:41 PM
Jimmy wrote:

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Thanks

The only thing I can think of is that entropy is always increasing, so
there is some fundamental thing that is always going forward. An example
I read in Hawking's book was that when a dish (I think) falls and breaks
it will always become more disordered, the reverse will never happen,
the dish will never jump off the floor and reconstruct itself.
So, based upon that, there has to be something that moves us forward. It
is odd, that time (whatever it is) is one of the few quantities that we
can't make negative (yet at least.)
As far defining it, the way we treat time is our own construction. We
could say that our current second is too short and double. So now, 1 new
minute = 120 old seconds. All of our days would be 12 old hours long or
whatever you want to call them. The numbers on our clocks and calendars,
are just a construct that was created for sake of use.
Just my thoughts, it's a very interesting subject.
Peter
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User: "TomGee"

Title: Re: Time 14 Nov 2004 02:44:43 PM
Peter Kupfer <pkupfer@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<N1Ald.8038$eS.858@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...

Jimmy wrote:

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Thanks


The only thing I can think of is that entropy is always increasing, so
there is some fundamental thing that is always going forward. An example
I read in Hawking's book was that when a dish (I think) falls and breaks
it will always become more disordered, the reverse will never happen,
the dish will never jump off the floor and reconstruct itself.

So, based upon that, there has to be something that moves us forward. It
is odd, that time (whatever it is) is one of the few quantities that we
can't make negative (yet at least.)

Assuming that you imply that time is the "something" moving us forward
in time (since entropy, like time, is a one-way direction), and not
that you refer specifically on the human evolutionary progress (since
the subject here is time and not necessarily entropy), I think you
have it almost correct, but time has no power to "move" us anywhere,
thus we can only say that we move _in_ time at certain time rates
accruing to bodies dependent upon their states of motion.
And since we can see ourselves age, we observe the passage of time and
that is how we can know time is not a metaphysical hallucination or a
math construct which does not exist.


As far defining it, the way we treat time is our own construction. We
could say that our current second is too short and double. So now, 1 new
minute = 120 old seconds. All of our days would be 12 old hours long or
whatever you want to call them. The numbers on our clocks and calendars,
are just a construct that was created for sake of use.

Just my thoughts, it's a very interesting subject.

Peter

That is true only when we treat time on our own, but that is not the
only definition of time. There are several of those and because of
that we must always qualify our statements about time to the extent
that we must be specific about which definition we use. I agree that
the subject of time is very interesting.
TomGee 111404
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User: "Sam Wormley"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 10:27:09 PM
Peter Kupfer wrote:



The only thing I can think of is that entropy is always increasing, so
there is some fundamental thing that is always going forward. An example
I read in Hawking's book was that when a dish (I think) falls and breaks
it will always become more disordered, the reverse will never happen,
the dish will never jump off the floor and reconstruct itself.

So, based upon that, there has to be something that moves us forward.

I make the assumption that your "moves us forward" refers to something
like evolution of life forms on the Earth. When you consider the Earth
as a closed system... it isn't closed... we get energy from the Sun.
Taking the "closed system" to be the whole solar system, entropy is
increasing.
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User: "Mitchell"

Title: Re: Time 14 Nov 2004 07:40:06 PM
Sam Wormley <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<x8Bld.335302$wV.146994@attbi_s54>...

Peter Kupfer wrote:



The only thing I can think of is that entropy is always increasing, so
there is some fundamental thing that is always going forward. An example
I read in Hawking's book was that when a dish (I think) falls and breaks
it will always become more disordered, the reverse will never happen,
the dish will never jump off the floor and reconstruct itself.

So, based upon that, there has to be something that moves us forward.


I am fond of saying: Time moves forward in every - curved - direction that
you wish to travel. It is never still. And it can't move backwards.
Mitch Raemsch -- Light Falls --
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User: "Boris Mohar"

Title: Re: Time 13 Nov 2004 06:33:06 AM
On Sat, 13 Nov 2004 12:08:01 GMT, "Jimmy" <jimmxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

What is time? I think it is just in our minds. Have someone proved that time
exist outside our mind?

Thanks

Exist is a verb. Verb requires existence of time in order to exist. Sort of
circular argument, isn't it?
Regards,
Boris Mohar
Got Knock? - see:
Viatrack Printed Circuit Designs http://www3.sympatico.ca/borism/
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