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12 May 2005 12:57:36 AM |
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Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
Time is never still. It always continues; even in black holes.
If it would end then everything(else) ends.
Where (gravitational) time ends there can
be no more proper time. Time can go no faster
for matter in gravity. It can only go slower;
and that only by speeding up.
If time ends at the edge of a black hole
it would not continue inside. Matter falls
at light speed there; which is again the end of time
for matter. But the end of time for BH's is accepted
as being two-fold; first at their event
horizon and then again at their singularity. Nonsense,
you can't have it both ways!
Consider time never ends; for if it did it would
be an absolute end; the end of a Unified Field.
Instead time continues.
There are no endings in the form of event horizons
or singularities. There are black holes but they
have no horizons and will only approach being
singularities. They simply shrink forever without
reaching a singularity.
Curvature goes up but remains finite.
Singularities are infinite space time curvature.
There is an extreme of gravity but it isn't infinite.
As hawking has said "General Relativity predicts its
own downfall by predicting singularities."
There are no infinite physical quantities.
Time continues. It is never still.
This is what's wrong with GR: black hole's and their end of time!
Mitch -- Gravity is a Continuum --
- And Light Falls -
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| User: "G=EMC^2 Glazier" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
12 May 2005 01:54:38 AM |
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Hi Nick Have a gut feeling time inside a BH is relative to a photon.
Bert
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
12 May 2005 02:03:01 AM |
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Bert, you are falling at the speed of light when you
reach the event horizon!
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| User: "Roy Culley" |
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13 May 2005 07:16:39 PM |
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<1115881381.650924.148030@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> writes:
Bert, you are falling at the speed of light when you reach the event
horizon!
Ignoramus
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
13 May 2005 07:30:16 PM |
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Famous!
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| User: "Roy Culley" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
14 May 2005 01:47:16 PM |
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<1116030616.645195.16730@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> writes:
Famous!
Utterly clueless
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
14 May 2005 02:22:45 PM |
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matter would fall at the speed of light
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| User: "yt56erd" |
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14 May 2005 06:45:58 PM |
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wrote:
matter would fall at the speed of light
how?
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| User: "" |
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14 May 2005 06:48:28 PM |
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its called freefall my friend
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| User: "yt56erd" |
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14 May 2005 06:55:49 PM |
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wrote:
its called freefall my friend
how does "free fall" accellerate something with mass to the speed of
light?
look at the size of mass required to accellerate a 1kg object to c.
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
16 May 2005 10:04:34 PM |
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That's what GR predicts. Of course it is wrong!
But what about your question: how does gravity move
a potentially infinite mass?
Gravity can move any size mass without resistance.
This invests gravity with potentially infinite power.
That is the power of gravity.
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| User: "yt56erd" |
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22 May 2005 10:02:21 AM |
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Nick wrote:
That's what GR predicts. Of course it is wrong!
if you are so sure general relativity is so wrong then get a proper
thesis published instead of ramblings on an internet group full of
cranks and win the nobel. then your name will go down in history.
But what about your question: how does gravity move
a potentially infinite mass?
Gravity can move any size mass without resistance.
not true. the other three forces overcome gravity with ease.
This invests gravity with potentially infinite power.
only with potentially infinite masses. gravity is the weakest force.
That is the power of gravity.
it is still the weakest force.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
14 May 2005 06:58:55 PM |
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yt56erd wrote:
macromi...@internetCDS.com wrote:
its called freefall my friend
how does "free fall" accellerate something with mass to the speed of
light?
look at the size of mass required to accellerate a 1kg object to c.
Because GR says it does. Why else?
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| User: "yt56erd" |
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15 May 2005 01:08:44 PM |
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wrote:
yt56erd wrote:
wrote:
its called freefall my friend
how does "free fall" accellerate something with mass to the speed
of
light?
look at the size of mass required to accellerate a 1kg object to c.
Because GR says it does. Why else?
ok. you have (or at least think you have) answered one of the questions
what about the other one?
what about objects with mass cant accelerate to c?
how much mass is required to accelerate a 1kg object to c?
you keep quoting your half assed partly understood general relativity
terms so show me you understand them. i thought i did but i get
different results to you so i must be wrong.
please, *****, oh guru of general relativity and dimensions and
wavelengths etc, please enlighten me.
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| User: "Tom Roberts" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
12 May 2005 07:58:42 AM |
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Nick wrote:
Time is never still. It always continues; even in black holes.
Yes, in the sense that no matter where an observer is located [#] her
wristwatch continues to tick at its usual rate, and she can observe it
do so.
[#] Except for places where the physical conditions are
incompatible with human life or the operation of the
wristwatch. For a large Schwarzschild black hole this is
only close to the singularity "at the center", and
specifically does not apply at the horizon.
This is what's wrong with GR: black hole's and their end of time!
This is what's wrong with Mitch's repeated statement: it does not
corespond to GR.
Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com
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| User: "Lefty" |
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13 May 2005 10:24:20 AM |
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No ***** - time is never still. Obviously. It cannot be considered still, nor
in motion. It is a "dimension".
Is length ever "still" ?
Yet, time does exist. Existence is a physical property of time - because
existence of time can be demonstrated in a lab. You can measure it with a
clock. You can observe it with a clock. Simple. I would even say it is
profoundly simple.
If you cant measure it or observe it in some context, then it ceases to
exist relative to you - in that context. Same thing with length. If you have
a length which is completely impossible to measure or observe, then this
length has no meaningful connection to your world and it ceases to exist
relative to you - the observer. This length cannot effect anything in your
world, otherwise you would be able to measure it. Since you cant measure
it - it may be taken as nonexistent.
Infinity is a very interesting thing.
Consider the metric system. Consider 1 millimeter. Now, 1*10^(-10)
millimeters. 1*10^(-10000)millimeters. 1*10^(-100000000).
1*10^(-100000000000000000000000000000000000000)millimeters,
1*10^(-100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000)millimeters.
Seriously, 1*10^(-infinity)millimeters casuses physical manifestation of
division by zero. This cannot happen. Something MUST break down before you
reach that point. My claim is that the point where time ceases to exist is
relativistic.
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
13 May 2005 02:34:25 PM |
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Lefty wrote:
No ***** - time is never still. Obviously. It cannot be considered
still, nor
in motion. It is a "dimension".
No Lefty. Time moves forward in every direction.
And every direction is curved.
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| User: "Nick" |
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13 May 2005 03:00:03 PM |
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My whole point is that dimensions are in motion!!!
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| User: "solar plexus" |
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13 May 2005 03:21:10 PM |
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My whole point is that dimensions are in motion!!!
maybe is only an overdosis
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| User: "Nick" |
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13 May 2005 04:31:24 PM |
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Dimensions are dynamic!
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| User: "solar plexus" |
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13 May 2005 06:52:06 PM |
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Nick wrote:
Dimensions are dynamic!
ondulating?
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| User: "Nick" |
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13 May 2005 06:58:05 PM |
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moving!!
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| User: "solar plexus" |
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13 May 2005 07:00:56 PM |
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thats not much of dynamics
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| User: "Nick" |
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13 May 2005 07:07:22 PM |
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Motion is a dimension.
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| User: "solar plexus" |
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13 May 2005 07:11:55 PM |
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in which direction
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
13 May 2005 07:16:17 PM |
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omnidirectional in 3D
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| User: "solar plexus" |
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13 May 2005 07:26:10 PM |
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then it inflates
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| User: "Nick" |
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13 May 2005 07:29:35 PM |
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Is matter carried by space expansion?
Does the distance inbetween stretch?
Or does matter move through space?
You can't have it both ways!
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| User: "yt56erd" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
15 May 2005 01:22:31 PM |
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Nick wrote:
Is matter carried by space expansion?
Does the distance inbetween stretch?
Or does matter move through space?
You can't have it both ways!
why not *****, you often try to have it both ways.
matter moves through space. this is happening right now.
the distance between galaxies is stretching. this is happening now.
why do you think the two are mutually exclusive, *****?
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
19 May 2005 12:08:24 AM |
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One is moving through space the other isn't.
A space ship takes off from mars toward the earth.
Can you say the earth is moving toward the space ship?
No you can't. The earth doesn't change motion to
get closer to the ship.
Only one is motion through space.
Moving through space is absolute.
The other motion, which is really no motion, is relative.
The earth has only a relative motion toward the ship.
Clearly this expains why relatives are based on absolutes.
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| User: "Morituri-|-Max" |
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| Title: Re: Time's Never Still - Even In Black Holes |
19 May 2005 01:40:10 AM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1116479304.376380.244780@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
One is moving through space the other isn't.
A space ship takes off from mars toward the earth.
Can you say the earth is moving toward the space ship?
Sure. It is moving toward the space ship.
No you can't. The earth doesn't change motion to
get closer to the ship.
I just did.
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