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04 Sep 2006 11:59:55 PM |
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Tiny Jet taxis now cheaper than car taxis |
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
The birth of the mini jet
Gemma Bowes
Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 jets for an air taxi
service covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers
between $1 and $3 per mile
A new breed of tiny jets, carrying as few as four passengers, is set
to revolutionise air travel by offering air taxi services that will
cost up to 30 times less than current private planes.
The companies behind the smaller, lighter, more fuel-efficient
single-pilot planes say they will cost half the price of a black cab -
50p per mile. They will capitalise on the current boom in demand for
private planes from businessmen in the face of increased security and
delays for conventional air passengers.
At least 10 aviation companies are currently working on forms of what
has become known as the VLJ ('very light jet'). First to hit the
market will be Eclipse Aviation's E500, which is due to get full
certification from the US Federal Aviation Administration later this
month. It will carry four passengers and will be the quietest
jet-powered plane ever produced, with the lowest emissions.
Already 2,500 - costing around $1.5m each - have been ordered. 'This
will be the least expensive private jet on the market and will allow
another layer of people to use private jets,' said Andrew Broom,
spokesman for Eclipse Aviation.
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 for an air taxi service
covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers between
$1 and $3 per mile, compared with the $20 rate of larger private jets.
While 90 per cent of Eclipse's business is in America, Europe is its
second biggest market. Broom said some UK companies have placed orders
and plan to use air taxis here by 2008.
'They might not be right for people who buy Easyjet flights months in
advance to get the best deal, but it will suit those who need to get
to and from smaller airports, such as in the Isle of Man, or small
groups and families who want to get somewhere quickly or in luxury,'
said Broom.
'Security won't be such a hassle on a mini jet flight. You won't use
the main airport building so you'll be queuing with four other people,
not thousands.'
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04 Sep 2006 05:45:16 PM |
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"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:44fcfd93.765031@news.clara.net...
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
and landing fees.
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04 Sep 2006 06:05:03 PM |
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
"habshi" <hi@anony> wrote in message news:44fcfd93.765031@news.clara.net...
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
and landing fees.
Landing fees in the US for a VLJ will be a non-issue.
What may become an issue for the air taxi business is if TSA decides
to impose it's ridiculous security measures on Part 135 operators.
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04 Sep 2006 07:57:15 PM |
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Idiot,
air crashes are far fewer than land crashes, but each aircraft crash is
usually 100% lethal!
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04 Sep 2006 08:25:03 PM |
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In sci.physics Marco Licetti <StanisDEATH2SPAMMERS@death2spammersprodigy.net> wrote:
Idiot,
air crashes are far fewer than land crashes, but each aircraft crash is
usually 100% lethal!
Wrong.
Lots of crashes have no fatalities.
Among crashes that do have a fatality, the overall survival rate is
about 33%.
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05 Sep 2006 02:58:18 AM |
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In sci.physics Marco Licetti <StanisDEATH2SPAMMERS@death2spammersprodigy.net> wrote:
Idiot,
air crashes are far fewer than land crashes, but each aircraft crash is
usually 100% lethal!
Wrong.
Lots of crashes have no fatalities.
Among crashes that do have a fatality, the overall survival rate is
about 33%.
With some in the 99% region.
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 02:57:08 AM |
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Marco Licetti wrote:
Idiot,
air crashes are far fewer than land crashes, but each aircraft crash is
usually 100% lethal!
Not at all. Most air crashes are far from 100% lethal actually. Some are even 0%
lethal.
Graham
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04 Sep 2006 04:35:03 PM |
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In sci.physics habshi <hi@anony> wrote:
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension.
Utter nonsense.
At $1.5 million, there will be few individual owners.
The significance of the VLJ is in the air taxi business.
Us real humans have been moving in the third dimension for a century
now.
For a reality check, Light Sport Aircraft can be had brand new for
around $100,000.
Used airplanes can be had for as little as $15,000.
End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes .
More nonsense; you have no idea how air traffic works.
If they could simplify landing..
Landing an airplane is simple, but you would never understand it.
You are an idiot.
<snip press release with no physics content>
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04 Sep 2006 05:17:58 PM |
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habshi wrote:
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
The birth of the mini jet
Gemma Bowes
Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 jets for an air taxi
service covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers
between $1 and $3 per mile
With a price of $1.5m ? Not to mention the cost of fuel, flight crew, ground
services and maintenance !
Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
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04 Sep 2006 06:05:02 PM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
habshi wrote:
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
The birth of the mini jet
Gemma Bowes
Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 jets for an air taxi
service covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers
between $1 and $3 per mile
With a price of $1.5m ? Not to mention the cost of fuel, flight crew, ground
services and maintenance !
Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
The price of fuel is a big variable right now, but the VLJ's are
quite fuel efficient.
The flight crew consists of a pilot. Most of these pilots will be young
people building time so they can fly the big jets. They work cheap.
Ground services consists of refueling, cleaning out the gum wrappers,
and an occasional wash job.
The pilot will be the one putting the baggage in the baggage compartment.
Maintenance on jets is a fraction of the maintenance for piston engines
when prorated on an hourly basis.
Of course, none of this is anything like habshi's wild eyed fantasy.
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05 Sep 2006 02:51:09 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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habshi wrote:
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
The birth of the mini jet
Gemma Bowes
Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 jets for an air taxi
service covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers
between $1 and $3 per mile
With a price of $1.5m ? Not to mention the cost of fuel, flight crew,
ground
services and maintenance !
Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = £274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
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05 Sep 2006 09:01:31 AM |
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CWatters wrote:
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
$73k p.a.
Payback over capital over say 15 years = £274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
My thoughts entirely.
Even a cheap pilot probably needs paying $25k and one alone won't be enough.
Allow $30k min for pilot costs.
Someone has to run a 'back office' - allow say $5k for a shared facility ?
I doubt that inspections to FAA rules and annual maintenance would be less that
$10k.
So that's another $45k p.a.
There are airfield fees to be paid. Amount ???
And then the fuel !
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 09:45:02 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
CWatters wrote:
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
$73k p.a.
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
My thoughts entirely.
Even a cheap pilot probably needs paying $25k and one alone won't be enough.
Allow $30k min for pilot costs.
Someone has to run a 'back office' - allow say $5k for a shared facility ?
I doubt that inspections to FAA rules and annual maintenance would be less that
$10k.
So that's another $45k p.a.
There are airfield fees to be paid. Amount ???
And then the fuel !
Graham
So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
Or is it the fact that the new light jets will cost the same as a current
piston aircraft but go faster and cost less to operate that dooms the
concept?
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05 Sep 2006 02:27:16 PM |
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So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
at $3 a mile?
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
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So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
at $3 a mile?
I have my doubts they will make that figure with VLJs, but if the
operators do all their homework, they should be able to get close.
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05 Sep 2006 06:15:20 PM |
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
< > wrote in message
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
at $3 a mile?
I have my doubts they will make that figure with VLJs, but if the
operators do all their homework, they should be able to get close.
Habshi's article said 50p per mile - that's 90c.
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 08:15:03 PM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
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So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
at $3 a mile?
I have my doubts they will make that figure with VLJs, but if the
operators do all their homework, they should be able to get close.
Habshi's article said 50p per mile - that's 90c.
Graham
I don't put much stock in anything habshi quotes.
I would think a realistic price is going to be somewhere around the
$3 range on the average, but the operating cost of jets are not linear
with miles.
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05 Sep 2006 09:01:45 PM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
< > wrote
In sci.physics Eeyore wrote:
So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
at $3 a mile?
I have my doubts they will make that figure with VLJs, but if the
operators do all their homework, they should be able to get close.
Habshi's article said 50p per mile - that's 90c.
Graham
I don't put much stock in anything habshi quotes.
Neither do I but it was an article in a respectable ( until now ) newspaper.
I would think a realistic price is going to be somewhere around the
$3 range on the average,
Sounds much more like it.
but the operating cost of jets are not linear with miles.
Understood.
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 10:05:27 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
CWatters wrote:
< > wrote
In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
$73k p.a.
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
My thoughts entirely.
Even a cheap pilot probably needs paying $25k and one alone won't be enough.
Allow $30k min for pilot costs.
Someone has to run a 'back office' - allow say $5k for a shared facility ?
I doubt that inspections to FAA rules and annual maintenance would be less that
$10k.
So that's another $45k p.a.
There are airfield fees to be paid. Amount ???
And then the fuel !
Graham
So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
Or is it the fact that the new light jets will cost the same as a current
piston aircraft but go faster and cost less to operate that dooms the
concept?
Consider the prices stated.
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 10:55:03 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
CWatters wrote:
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote
In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
wrote:
Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
$73k p.a.
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
My thoughts entirely.
Even a cheap pilot probably needs paying $25k and one alone won't be enough.
Allow $30k min for pilot costs.
Someone has to run a 'back office' - allow say $5k for a shared facility ?
I doubt that inspections to FAA rules and annual maintenance would be less that
$10k.
So that's another $45k p.a.
There are airfield fees to be paid. Amount ???
And then the fuel !
Graham
So I guess you are saying air taxi operations haven't actually been
in business for about a century now?
Or is it the fact that the new light jets will cost the same as a current
piston aircraft but go faster and cost less to operate that dooms the
concept?
Consider the prices stated.
Graham
I have.
Most air taxi is done with 4-6 place, twin engine, piston aircraft that
cost about $1M.
The new VLJs are 4-6 place and cost about $1M to $1.5M.
The VLJs are faster and cost less to operate.
I'd educate you further, but I have to go to the airport to buy an
airplane.
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com>
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habshi wrote:
This is wonderful . It means we humans can now move en masse
into the third dimension. End of traffic jams as we can move sideways
into hundreds of parallel lanes . If they could simplify landing..
The birth of the mini jet
Gemma Bowes
Sunday September 3, 2006
The Observer
Day Jet, an American operator, has ordered 309 jets for an air taxi
service covering the south east of America, and will charge passengers
between $1 and $3 per mile
With a price of $1.5m ? Not to mention the cost of fuel, flight crew,
ground
services and maintenance !
Someone hasn't done their sums !
Graham
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
That sounds about right, which would be one person going 200 miles
at $3/mile.
Business people are increasingly finding it more effective to use taxi
services for those short (less than around a 1000 mile) trips as it is
taking longer to get through the security line than it takes to make the
trip, plus taxi services fly on the users schedule, plus taxi services
go direct between less than major cities without having to change
airplanes and go through multiple security lines.
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05 Sep 2006 09:14:24 AM |
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
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The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
That sounds about right, which would be one person going 200 miles
at $3/mile.
Your calculations ?
Business people are increasingly finding it more effective to use taxi
services for those short (less than around a 1000 mile) trips as it is
taking longer to get through the security line than it takes to make the
trip, plus taxi services fly on the users schedule, plus taxi services
go direct between less than major cities without having to change
airplanes and go through multiple security lines.
So is the FAA going to allow this as a new unsupervised way for terrorists to kill
us ?
Graham ( playing devil's advocate )
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05 Sep 2006 09:35:02 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
That sounds about right, which would be one person going 200 miles
at $3/mile.
Your calculations ?
200 X $3 = $600
Business people are increasingly finding it more effective to use taxi
services for those short (less than around a 1000 mile) trips as it is
taking longer to get through the security line than it takes to make the
trip, plus taxi services fly on the users schedule, plus taxi services
go direct between less than major cities without having to change
airplanes and go through multiple security lines.
So is the FAA going to allow this as a new unsupervised way for terrorists to kill
us ?
Graham ( playing devil's advocate )
Air taxi services, also know as Part 135 services which refers to the
FAA regulation that controls them, are neither new nor unsupervised.
The only thing new here is small, 4 place jet aircraft.
The concept terrorists using a part 135 aircraft is just so ridiculous
I'm not going to bother to comment further.
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05 Sep 2006 10:04:39 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
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In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
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The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
That sounds about right, which would be one person going 200 miles
at $3/mile.
Your calculations ?
200 X $3 = $600
So, where did the other costs go ?
Business people are increasingly finding it more effective to use taxi
services for those short (less than around a 1000 mile) trips as it is
taking longer to get through the security line than it takes to make the
trip, plus taxi services fly on the users schedule, plus taxi services
go direct between less than major cities without having to change
airplanes and go through multiple security lines.
So is the FAA going to allow this as a new unsupervised way for terrorists to kill
us ?
Graham ( playing devil's advocate )
Air taxi services, also know as Part 135 services which refers to the
FAA regulation that controls them, are neither new nor unsupervised.
The only thing new here is small, 4 place jet aircraft.
The concept terrorists using a part 135 aircraft is just so ridiculous
I'm not going to bother to comment further.
What's ridiculous about it ?
Graham
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05 Sep 2006 10:45:03 AM |
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In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@removethis.hotmail.com> wrote:
jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com wrote:
In sci.physics CWatters <colin.watters@turnersnospamoak.plus.net> wrote:
<jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com> wrote in message
The price isn't that unrealistic.
Lets see:
Interest on capital is about $200 a day
Payback over capital over say 15 years = ?274 a day
You will need around $500 a day just to pay for the plane..
That sounds about right, which would be one person going 200 miles
at $3/mile.
Your calculations ?
200 X $3 = $600
So, where did the other costs go ?
If you can't get more passengers then that, you don't go into business.
Business people are increasingly finding it more effective to use taxi
services for those short (less than around a 1000 mile) trips as it is
taking longer to get through the security line than it takes to make the
trip, plus taxi services fly on the users schedule, plus taxi services
go direct between less than major cities without having to change
airplanes and go through multiple security lines.
So is the FAA going to allow this as a new unsupervised way for terrorists to kill
us ?
Graham ( playing devil's advocate )
Air taxi services, also know as Part 135 services which refers to the
FAA regulation that controls them, are neither new nor unsupervised.
The only thing new here is small, 4 place jet aircraft.
The concept terrorists using a part 135 aircraft is just so ridiculous
I'm not going to bother to comment further.
What's ridiculous about it ?
Everything.
--
Jim Pennino
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