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24 Jan 2005 10:11:53 AM |
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To Androcles about MMX |
From:Androcles (dummy@dummy.net)
Subject:Re: To Androcles about MMX
Newsgroups:sci.physics
Date:2005-01-14 14:32:38 PST
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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From:Androcles (dummy@dummy.net)
Subject:Re: To Androcles about MMX
Newsgroup:sci.physics
Date:2005-01-09 12:37:30 PST
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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[snip]
Happy New year,
Sergey
Androcles (dummy@dummy.net) wrote in message
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You too, but I have to inform you that I do not have sufficent time to
read
all of your post. Please state in as few words as possible what your
position
is. In depth examination can follow once I understand where you are
coming from.
Androcles.
Sergey:
I referred you to some basic literature on MMX that proved aether wind
real
Androcles wrote:
Hmm... well, take a look at this:
http://www.androc1es.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Androcles.
Sergey:
Thank you, Androcles, I will look at it and write later in details.
And you, if you can get the materials to which I referred you, read
them. Anyway, think of what I wrote you.
After first sight at your site, I would like to ask you. Do you really
think that the light velocity can be added to that of source? If so,
please substantiate this point phenomenologically in more details. By
the way I would notice, to be able to transform space-time, Einstein
'deleted' aether. And not in vain, as in material space the
propagation velocity of wave processes is strongly correlated with the
substance of this space. We can add velocities only in case of
material features. But then the velocities of these objects can vary
from zero to the light velocity. In wave representation, if we think
light to be a wave, this is impossible. If we think light to be
particles, there come to force my questions from which all supporters
of QM fly away. With your wish, I can write them for you. What is
important - QM is discrepant even to postulates of photon theory.
Substantiating, you would have to formulate a non-contradictive set of
postulates. I would be interesting, how will you cope, as I know, it
is impossible to formulate it. Not because I want it or not but quite
objectively.
Regards,
Sergey
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| User: "Androcles" |
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24 Jan 2005 12:56:24 PM |
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"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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From:Androcles (dummy@dummy.net)
Subject:Re: To Androcles about MMX
Newsgroups:sci.physics
Date:2005-01-14 14:32:38 PST
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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From:Androcles (dummy@dummy.net)
Subject:Re: To Androcles about MMX
Newsgroup:sci.physics
Date:2005-01-09 12:37:30 PST
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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[snip]
Happy New year,
Sergey
Androcles (dummy@dummy.net) wrote in message
news:dCgEd.47671$C8.27690@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
You too, but I have to inform you that I do not have sufficent time
to
read
all of your post. Please state in as few words as possible what your
position
is. In depth examination can follow once I understand where you are
coming from.
Androcles.
Sergey:
I referred you to some basic literature on MMX that proved aether
wind
real
Androcles wrote:
Hmm... well, take a look at this:
http://www.androc1es.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
Androcles.
Sergey:
Thank you, Androcles, I will look at it and write later in details.
And you, if you can get the materials to which I referred you, read
them. Anyway, think of what I wrote you.
After first sight at your site, I would like to ask you. Do you really
think that the light velocity can be added to that of source?
Yes, of course, it is an entirely logical conclusion.
There exists light.
There can be no light without a source.
There is no medium in the vacuum of space for the conveyance of light.
There being nothing else (save the observer) to serve as a reference,
and I am such an observer, I place myself between two sources of light,
one of which I approach and the other I recede from, and find blue shift
from one and red shift from the other. Therefore light's speed is not
dependent upon my motion.
Analogously, if I place myself between two sources of sound, one of
which I approach and the other I recede from, I observe an increase in
frequency from one and a decrease in frequency from the other.
Having eliminated the medium and the observer, all that is left is the
source.
A bullet from a gun is source dependent. It does not require a medium
for its transport, which would only hinder it anyway.
Therefore the speed of light, in a vacuum, is source dependent.
That logical conclusion is also consistent with observation.
http://www.androc1es.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/actual_data.htm
(or MMX in a vacuum)
If so,
please substantiate this point phenomenologically in more details.
Describe any phenomenon that you think disagrees with it, and I'll be
happy to discuss it with you.
By
the way I would notice, to be able to transform space-time, Einstein
'deleted' aether.
Einstein deleted the invariance of distance and the invariance of time.
I see no good reason to give up two good and reliable axioms in favour
of a supposed and imagined third, since he knew he was in violation of
the Principle of Relativity.
http://www.bartleby.com/173/7.html
And not in vain, as in material space the
propagation velocity of wave processes is strongly correlated with the
substance of this space.
We are not discussing material space, your point has no relevance.
We can add velocities only in case of
material features.
Okay, I agree.
The source and the observer are material features.
The vacuum of space is not a material feature.
If I approach a source of light at v, I approach the light it emits at
v+c.
There being no other reference, and by the PoR, the source approaches me
at v and the light it emits approaches me at c+v. Therefore the speed of
light is source dependent.
But then the velocities of these objects can vary
from zero to the light velocity. In wave representation, if we think
light to be a wave, this is impossible.
Who told you light was a wave?
It is TWO waves, one electric and the other magnetic.
Each creates the other, by the laws discovered by
Gauss and Faraday,
curl B = dE/dt and curl E = -dB/dt.
Ampere's law, curl B = J, doesn't apply; there is no current or medium
in the vacuum of space in which to conduct a current (until the light
encounters an observer or a medium of conduction, of course).
That Maxwell attempted to include Ampere's law and endowed aether with
properties is Maxwell's error, not Nature's. There is no aether.
Both E and B fields can and do exist statically in a vacuum.
I fail to see any impossibilities here, what is it that
is supposed to be impossible?
We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both
true and sufficient to explain their appearances.
To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity, and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes. - Sir Isaac
Newton, Principia.
If we think light to be
particles, there come to force my questions from which all supporters
of QM fly away. With your wish, I can write them for you. What is
important - QM is discrepant even to postulates of photon theory.
Substantiating, you would have to formulate a non-contradictive set of
postulates. I would be interesting, how will you cope, as I know, it
is impossible to formulate it. Not because I want it or not but quite
objectively.
Postulate 1. Time is universally invariant.
Postulate 2. Distance is universally invariant.
Postulate 3. If material object A passes material object B with speed v
= distance/time, then B passes A with speed v. We will raise this
conjecture (the purport of which will hereafter be called the "Principle
of Relativity'') to the status of a postulate.
Einstein's so-called second "postulate" isn't a postulate at all.
There is no empirical evidence to support it, it isn't intuitive, and it
can be tested.
Postulates cannot be tested, and must be believed without proof or they
do not qualify as postulates.
In fact empirical evidence denies it, as I've demonstrated above,
showing the shift.
Postulates 1 2 and 3, above are intuitive, supported by empirical
evidence and not testable.
Androcles.
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| User: "None" |
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09 Feb 2005 10:31:24 AM |
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Dear Androcles,
A week ago I sent you this post, but received a daemon saying, it was
not delivered, so I am trying to post it again.
************
You are asking,
<< Who told you light was a wave? >>
You yourself, in that number, are saying so, when you write,
<< Analogously, if I place myself between two sources of sound, one of
which I approach and the other I recede from, I observe an increase in
frequency from one and a decrease in frequency from the other. >>
And at the same time you write,
<< A bullet from a gun is source dependent. It does not require a
medium
for its transport, which would only hinder it anyway. >>
Perhaps you forgot that the light, as opposite to a bullet, has a
frequency, and just so
<< I recede from, and find blue shift from one and red shift from the
other. >>
But frequency, spectrum of light, and frequency variation by moving
source are wave properties. Should you do not say about frequency but
confine yourself only to velocity, and should frequency properties of
light never were revealed, or should the bullet had frequency
properties and properties of light on the whole, - only in this case
you would may write,
<< If I approach a source of light at v, I approach the light it emits
at
v+c.
There being no other reference, and by the PoR, the source approaches
me
at v and the light it emits approaches me at c+v. Therefore the speed
of
light is source dependent. >>
While in presence of frequency properties, your statements hang in the
air, just as your conclusion,
<< To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in
vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity, and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes. - Sir Isaac
Newton, Principia. >>
Although you inserted a citation from Newton, this is discrepant to
Newtonian approach, but only says that you apply a favourite trick of
sophists - to separate convenient phenomena and citations from those
inconvenient. The inconvenient they state wrong and discrepant to
experimental practice, irrespectively to the practice. But the Nature
will not become other because of it. When you admit, light has
frequency, and at the same time delete the substance in which this wave
property of light revealed, you straight return to the Einsteinian
photon conception, to the contradictions in its postulates, - to all
these problems from which the supporters of this conception fly away,
just as you could see it by the example of Franz Heymann. ;-)
Exactly so you, by your authoritarian judgement, choose from a
tremendous amount of field theory only what is convenient for you,
irrespectively to the general phenomenology of field theory. So you
write,
<< It is TWO waves, one electric and the other magnetic.
Each creates the other, by the laws discovered by
Gauss and Faraday,
curl B = dE/dt and curl E = -dB/dt. >>
But Maxwell, in Hertz formulation, had not two equations but four,
while really 14. ;-) With it, Faraday phenomenologically had discovered
only the second (formulated by Maxwell himself), and Ostrogradsky-Gauss
equation is absent among equations which you mentioned. The first
mentioned equation is Maxwell's. And I would underline, Maxwell
formulated the induction part of his system of equations on the basis
of Helmholtz vortexes, - i.e., vortexes in material space, and these
equations reflect the materiality of space. We in our papers showed,
these equations also are the conservation laws of vector circulation in
dynamic fields. The equations which you "forgot" also are the
conservation laws for MATERIAL space. Admitting Gauss' proof of his
theorem of flux of vector, you are rejecting the stipulations of the
very theorem, as it was proven namely for material space. In an
immaterial space we have nothing to conserve. ;-) So, if you assert
space immaterial, you may not select among Maxwell, Faraday, Hertz, and
others, looking, who of them was right and in what, and who was not.
You must forget the field theory equations. In void space these
equations do not work. This is what Einstein "forgot", and now you are
"forgetting".
Finally, you confine yourself to dynamic fields, while there exist also
static fields. In which way the void affects a charged body? A
gravitating body? These are questions, because of which Einstein had to
return back to GR the material space which he threw away from SR. True,
with it he "forgot" for a while that the laws of his SR and GR have to
work in the same continuum. ;-) You also forget it. Of course, it is so
convenient to separate the phenomena to convenient and not, when you
yourself decide, are they sufficient or not to substantiate the
phenomenon. But the nature has no such separation suggested by
sophists. So we can comprehend the laws, only having covered the WHOLE
amount of revealed properties. While you, even as to MMX, seemingly
have not analysed what I wrote you. Unjustly. In particular, your beams
will not be reciprocally perpendicular. But when they will be, you will
not yield the interference on the screen. ;-) So I would be very
grateful to you if, before concluding, you care to have complete
stipulation on whose basis you build your corollaries. In this case
much of what you are stating simply would be impossible to be
articulated. ;-)
Regards,
Sergey
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: To Androcles about MMX |
09 Feb 2005 12:50:35 PM |
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"None" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
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Dear Androcles,
A week ago I sent you this post, but received a daemon saying, it was
not delivered, so I am trying to post it again.
************
You are asking,
<< Who told you light was a wave? >>
You yourself, in that number, are saying so, when you write,
<< Analogously, if I place myself between two sources of sound, one of
which I approach and the other I recede from, I observe an increase in
frequency from one and a decrease in frequency from the other. >>
And at the same time you write,
<< A bullet from a gun is source dependent. It does not require a
medium
for its transport, which would only hinder it anyway. >>
Perhaps you forgot that the light, as opposite to a bullet, has a
frequency, and just so
<< I recede from, and find blue shift from one and red shift from the
other. >>
But frequency, spectrum of light, and frequency variation by moving
source are wave properties. Should you do not say about frequency but
confine yourself only to velocity, and should frequency properties of
light never were revealed, or should the bullet had frequency
properties and properties of light on the whole, - only in this case
you would may write,
<< If I approach a source of light at v, I approach the light it emits
at
v+c.
There being no other reference, and by the PoR, the source approaches
me
at v and the light it emits approaches me at c+v. Therefore the speed
of
light is source dependent. >>
While in presence of frequency properties, your statements hang in the
air, just as your conclusion,
<< To this purpose the philosophers say that Nature does nothing in
vain,
and more is in vain when less will serve; for Nature is pleased with
simplicity, and affects not the pomp of superfluous causes. - Sir
Isaac
Newton, Principia. >>
Although you inserted a citation from Newton, this is discrepant to
Newtonian approach, but only says that you apply a favourite trick of
sophists - to separate convenient phenomena and citations from those
inconvenient. The inconvenient they state wrong and discrepant to
experimental practice, irrespectively to the practice. But the Nature
will not become other because of it. When you admit, light has
frequency, and at the same time delete the substance in which this
wave
property of light revealed, you straight return to the Einsteinian
photon conception, to the contradictions in its postulates, - to all
these problems from which the supporters of this conception fly away,
just as you could see it by the example of Franz Heymann. ;-)
Exactly so you, by your authoritarian judgement, choose from a
tremendous amount of field theory only what is convenient for you,
irrespectively to the general phenomenology of field theory. So you
write,
<< It is TWO waves, one electric and the other magnetic.
Each creates the other, by the laws discovered by
Gauss and Faraday,
curl B = dE/dt and curl E = -dB/dt. >>
But Maxwell, in Hertz formulation, had not two equations but four,
while really 14. ;-) With it, Faraday phenomenologically had
discovered
only the second (formulated by Maxwell himself), and
Ostrogradsky-Gauss
equation is absent among equations which you mentioned. The first
mentioned equation is Maxwell's. And I would underline, Maxwell
formulated the induction part of his system of equations on the basis
of Helmholtz vortexes, - i.e., vortexes in material space, and these
equations reflect the materiality of space. We in our papers showed,
these equations also are the conservation laws of vector circulation
in
dynamic fields. The equations which you "forgot" also are the
conservation laws for MATERIAL space. Admitting Gauss' proof of his
theorem of flux of vector, you are rejecting the stipulations of the
very theorem, as it was proven namely for material space. In an
immaterial space we have nothing to conserve. ;-) So, if you assert
space immaterial, you may not select among Maxwell, Faraday, Hertz,
and
others, looking, who of them was right and in what, and who was not.
You must forget the field theory equations. In void space these
equations do not work. This is what Einstein "forgot", and now you are
"forgetting".
Finally, you confine yourself to dynamic fields, while there exist
also
static fields. In which way the void affects a charged body? A
gravitating body? These are questions, because of which Einstein had
to
return back to GR the material space which he threw away from SR.
True,
with it he "forgot" for a while that the laws of his SR and GR have to
work in the same continuum. ;-) You also forget it. Of course, it is
so
convenient to separate the phenomena to convenient and not, when you
yourself decide, are they sufficient or not to substantiate the
phenomenon. But the nature has no such separation suggested by
sophists. So we can comprehend the laws, only having covered the WHOLE
amount of revealed properties. While you, even as to MMX, seemingly
have not analysed what I wrote you. Unjustly. In particular, your
beams
will not be reciprocally perpendicular. But when they will be, you
will
not yield the interference on the screen. ;-) So I would be very
grateful to you if, before concluding, you care to have complete
stipulation on whose basis you build your corollaries. In this case
much of what you are stating simply would be impossible to be
articulated. ;-)
Regards,
Sergey
You seem to be feeling somewhat upset because I rely upon what is
observable
and not upon what is conjecture.
Yes, I asked you "Who told you light was a wave?"
You reply
"But frequency, spectrum of light, and frequency variation by moving
source are wave properties."
And so they are.
But I also said: Light is two waves.
Now I can use your argument. Frequency, spectrum of light, and
frequency variation by moving source are wave properties.
Now you object by saying
"While in presence of frequency properties, your statements hang in the
air"
You are you applying a favourite trick of sophists - separating
convenient phenomena from those inconvenient.
You have an agenda, pal. You want to promote aether, and two waves is
inconvenient to you.
You claim "in void space these equations do not work".
Why don't they work in void space?
How are you going to prove that?
They certainly DO work in void space, light propagates.
There is no evidence to support your claim.
By your theory there is no void space, it is crammed with aether, so you
are unable to show the equations do not work. Thus your statement is
naught
but simple assertion.
I'll allow that sound will not work in void space, since there is no
medium
to conduct sound.
However, when we fill the void space with aether, we can clearly hear
the sun roaring and feel the rush of aether passing us by, as we do when
when we put a hand out of the car window. The turbulence created by the
passage of the Earth and Moon causes the sun and the stars to shimmer
and twinkle, and all of this is something we observe, right?
I do not believe in magic, sophist. Show me.
Androcles.
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10 Feb 2005 03:48:34 AM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message news:%XsOd.32694$68.19017@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"None" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:1107966684.932359.248680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dear Androcles,
[snip Sergey rant]
Regards,
Sergey
[snip Parker rant]
I do not believe in magic, sophist. Show me.
Androcles.
You see Sergey, you can't even have a proper conversation
with another crackpot :-)
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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23 Feb 2005 07:26:03 AM |
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"Dirk Van de moortel" <dirkvandemoortel@ThankS-NO-SperM.hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<420b2e0c$1@usenet01.boi.hp.com>...
"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message news:%XsOd.32694$68.19017@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"None" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:1107966684.932359.248680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dear Androcles,
[snip Sergey rant]
Regards,
Sergey
[snip Parker rant]
I do not believe in magic, sophist. Show me.
Androcles.
You see Sergey, you can't even have a proper conversation
with another crackpot :-)
Dirk Vdm
Poor Dirk, you even have not enough fantasy to rumble properly. Well,
learn, learn, maybe till the pension age you will become able to reach
the level of dung-beetle. ;-)
Sergey
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| User: "Mike" |
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10 Feb 2005 04:26:16 AM |
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Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
news:%XsOd.32694$68.19017@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"None" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:1107966684.932359.248680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dear Androcles,
[snip Sergey rant]
Regards,
Sergey
[snip Parker rant]
I do not believe in magic, sophist. Show me.
Androcles.
You see Sergey, you can't even have a proper conversation
with another crackpot :-)
Dirk Vdm
Hey stupid, psychopathetic moron Dinky, watch out your comoving
instanteneous inertial frame. It is getting somewhat unstable due to
space-time curvature affected by your **it distribution and in turn,
the curvature tells your **it how to move around.
I tell you what: the **it has hit the fan in front of your face.
Mike
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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10 Feb 2005 04:29:43 AM |
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"Mike" <eleatis@yahoo.gr> wrote in message news:1108031176.671583.324890@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dirk Van de moortel wrote:
"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message
news:%XsOd.32694$68.19017@fe1.news.blueyonder.co.uk...
"None" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:1107966684.932359.248680@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
Dear Androcles,
[snip Sergey rant]
Regards,
Sergey
[snip Parker rant]
I do not believe in magic, sophist. Show me.
Androcles.
You see Sergey, you can't even have a proper conversation
with another crackpot :-)
Dirk Vdm
Hey stupid, psychopathetic moron Dinky, watch out your comoving
instanteneous inertial frame. It is getting somewhat unstable due to
space-time curvature affected by your **it distribution and in turn,
the curvature tells your **it how to move around.
I tell you what: the **it has hit the fan in front of your face.
I'm sure you'll find plenty of the stuff at the bottom of
the pit you are digging...
Don't stop, please!
Dirk Vdm
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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23 Feb 2005 07:25:15 AM |
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***********
Oh, Androcles, you set me laughing! You are saying, I am sophist?
Fine. Well, this is really fine. If all sophist were such... ;-)
Now, as a newly-called sophist, I will reply to your question:
<< Why don't they work in void space?
How are you going to prove that? >>
The matter is, there exist two constants: magnetic constant mu_0 and
dielectric constant epsilon_0. They are not simply coefficients of
dimensional relation for the formulas. Their relation determines the
wave impedance of radiation. If you didn't match this impedance, you
cannot post and receive by internet, cannot switch on radio or TV,
obtain the images from Mars, and many others. Product of these
constants determines the square of light velocity in vacuum and
appears as a factor in the wave equation describing the EM wave. They
are involved also in the equations of Lorentz ponderomotive forces and
without them these equations will not work; while all motors and
generators are designed on the basis of these equations. Thus, without
these equations you would have not even electricity. These constants
are included even to the Coulomb laws; perhaps you know, they were two
( ;-) ): one for the interaction of electric charges and another for
those magnetic. ;-) So these constants are present in ALL
electrodynamics and electrostatics. Can we eliminate them by way of
passing, e.g., to such system of dimensions as CGS, or CGSM, or CGSE?
Well, they seemingly will be absent, but with it the numerical value
of speed of light, of wave impedance, - and dimension also, to the
point, - will change. But the main, you will permanently feel them
present, because all electric parameters of the field are related to
them. In one equation they will be absent, in other they will appear
again. Thus, these are absolutely real parameters that characterise
the medium transmitting EM oscillations. And not in vain Maxwell
equations come just to the wave equation as to the equation describing
the WAVE process in medium having parameters mu_0 and epsilon_0. As
opposite to the described, void has no parameters. This is nothing. We
can write down no conservation laws that are involved to Maxwell
equations. In the void nothing will conserve. Such is the point, dear
"non-sophist". ;-) You understand that I, being in your eyes a true
sophist, can prove the said by the great massif of real examples,
concrete experimental studies and practical applications. And you are
stating that I am against electric and magnetic waves? Where could you
read it? Another thing that the dynamic magnetic field is still
unstudied and we in particular have conducted sound experimental study
on the EM induction. Thus, you clearly have gone too far, pal. Simply
it would be before time to discuss this with you. ;-) Have you some
particular experimental study to show that you are really basing on
the experiment and observations? Please show that you have behind your
words concrete studies and observations. In particular, I am very
interesting, what 'in hand' do you mean under your
They certainly DO work in void space, light propagates.
This is very interesting phrase for the "non-sophist". ;-) Suffice it
to recall that I showed you before, your "calculation" of MMX on
mutually perpendicular beams is inconsistent with observations, and
showed you the experimenters' opinion. Have you read their works?
Hardly. As far as I can see, you have no need, if you taught others,
doing not knowing that strongly parallel beams cannot interfere. Now
you are proceeding from the idea that if the light propagated in
space, space has to be void! And with it, the light has to be a wave,
to have a frequency, and even not one wave but two! Well, kindly prove
me that transverse EM waves are able to propagate in void. Prove by
concrete experimental facts, using concrete observation arguments, not
the conjectures which you do not admit. ;-) And, since you are, as
opposite to me, not a sophist, be so kind to provide even more sound
argumentation than I do, and show, how can the wave equation work out
of material substance, and which parameters determine in this case the
speed of light propagation. Why the light has just the field variable
in time and space, and basically, of which field are we speaking? ;-)
What for does it need such excess? ;-) If these are particles, they
have to be particles and affect electrons towards their propagation -
and accordingly to Kepler's mechanics, too. ;-) While the light
affects across its propagation! And this actually is observed. ;-) Can
you answer - well done, cannot - well, take your place among the
peasants with pitchforks attempting to till the EM field of physics.
;-)
Sergey
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23 Feb 2005 07:43:03 AM |
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"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:a42650fc.0502230525.406c1eab@posting.google.com...
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Oh, Androcles, you set me laughing! You are saying, I am sophist?
Fine. Well, this is really fine. If all sophist were such... ;-)
Now, as a newly-called sophist, I will reply to your question:
<< Why don't they work in void space?
How are you going to prove that? >>
The matter is, there exist two constants: magnetic constant mu_0 and
dielectric constant epsilon_0.
Nonsense. Permeability and permittivity are properties of matter,
not vacuum. Maxwell said aether existed, so he gave aether properties.
Michelson-Morley says it doesn't exist.
Bye-bye mu_0 and epsilon_0.
You can still have mu_1 and epsilon_1, matter does exist.
How close can you bring two plates, charged to a megavolt,
in the vacuum of space, before a spark between them jumps across
and discharges them?
If you think you know, sophist, how will you perform that experiment?
[snip remainder, based on a false premise]
Androcles.
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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17 Mar 2005 06:01:39 PM |
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"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message news:<HL%Sd.158942$B8.15049@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:a42650fc.0502230525.406c1eab@posting.google.com...
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Oh, Androcles, you set me laughing! You are saying, I am sophist?
Fine. Well, this is really fine. If all sophist were such... ;-)
Now, as a newly-called sophist, I will reply to your question:
<< Why don't they work in void space?
How are you going to prove that? >>
The matter is, there exist two constants: magnetic constant mu_0 and
dielectric constant epsilon_0.
Nonsense. Permeability and permittivity are properties of matter,
not vacuum. Maxwell said aether existed, so he gave aether properties.
Michelson-Morley says it doesn't exist.
Bye-bye mu_0 and epsilon_0.
You can still have mu_1 and epsilon_1, matter does exist.
How close can you bring two plates, charged to a megavolt,
in the vacuum of space, before a spark between them jumps across
and discharges them?
If you think you know, sophist, how will you perform that experiment?
[snip remainder, based on a false premise]
Androcles.
Well, Androcles. Judging by, how cheerfully you 'fell' on this thread,
you have understood much. You have understood that the space of
universe is material. You have understood that in MMX calculation you
have to note that beams are not mutually perpendicular and that the
processes caused by the turn of interferometer are much more
complicated than that utilitarian approach on whose basis you
attempted to conclude. You have understood that light in material
space can have a velocity, only dependent on parameters of this
particular space, and this velocity will be constant as to aether.
These are basic, fully proven stipulations for all calculations and
conceptions. And only on the grounds of those stipulations you can
build a real pattern of processes. Of course, the limited psychology
based on disrespect of other's opinion disables you to admit your
mistakes. But only you will suffer from it and those who prefers to
creep to their burrow than to openly admit opponent right and to go on
together to understanding the physical processes. This just evidences
that you still did not come up to calling yourself the physicist. The
physicist first of all is the philosopher. While you even do not know
exactly, what 'sophist' means. Well, sit in your burrow.
Sergey
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23 Feb 2005 10:03:32 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
[snip]
Androcles.
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/EnergyConservation.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/HopeThatHelps.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PrizeYours.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CoverUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GDefence.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/OneDim.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gullible.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/RelativityCancer.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Androrgasm.html>
Androcyst is a spewing psychotic idiot troll.
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary
frame.
Let L' = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the moving
frame.
Let v = speed of Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary frame
(with Joe in front of Sam).
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_1' = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_1 = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_1' = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured
in the moving frame.
Let L_2 = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_2' = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_2 = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_2' = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured
in the moving frame.
What people are saying to you is that
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
2) L_1/T_1 = c
3) L_1' = L'
4) L_1'/T_1' = c
5) L_2 = cL/(c+v)
6) L_2/T_2 = c
7) L_2' = L'
8) L_2'/T_2' = c
So
L_1 is *not* equal to L_2
L_1 is *not* equal to L
L_1 is *not* equal to L'
L_1 is *not* equal to L_1'
L_2 is *not* equal to L
L_2 is *not* equal to L'
L_2 is *not* equal to L_2'
T_1 is *not* equal to T_2
T_1 is *not* equal to L/c
T_1 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_1 is *not* equal to T_1'
T_2 is *not* equal to L/c
T_2 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_2 is *not* equal to T_2'
On the other hand,
L_1' is equal to L_2'
L_1' is equal to L'
L_2' is equal to L'
T_1' is equal to T_2'
T_1' is equal to L'/c
T_2' is equal to L'/c
Is there yet another way for you to misunderstand?
Einstein:
Ѕ[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
Taking a = x, b = t + x'/(c-v), the functional equation above becomes:
tau(0,0,0,b-a/(c-v)) + tau(0,0,0,b+a/(c+v)) = 2 tau(a,0,0,b).
Defining the function F(k) = 2 tau(0,0,0,k), it then follows that
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v)).
Conversely, taking a = 0 in the equation above, it follows that
tau(0,0,0,b) = F(b) + F(b) = 2F(b).
Therefore, the general solution to the functional equation above is:
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v))
where F is otherwise arbitrary.
(Further restrictions cited in the paper then narrow down the function
F(x); this also shows that the assumption in the paper of
differentiability is entirely superfluous. The derivation above
proceeds without any assumption about tau being differentiable or even
continuous.)
Thus, going back to Einstein's notation with x' = x - vt, it follows
that
tau(x-vt,0,0,t) = F((ct-x)/(c-v)) + F((ct+x)/(c-v))
which shows that the natural coordinates that enter into play are ct-x
and ct+x.
In terms of these the Lorentz transformation simplifies substantially:
ct-x -> sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) (ct-x)
ct+x -> sqrt((c-v)/(c+v)) (ct+x)
involving, respectively, a blue shift and red shift factor and
directly representing the Relativistic Doppler effect.
If two Lorentz transformation are done along the x axis at velocities
v1 and v2 respectively, then the factors would multiple:
sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
which reduces to a Lorentz transform with a velocity v given by:
sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) = sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
Solving this for v, you get:
v = (v1 + v2)/(1 + v1 v2/c^2)
So the velocity addition rule becomes the addition rule for the
"rapidity":
u = c/2 ln((c+v)/(c-v))
with
u = u1 + u2.
Rapidity and velocity are virtually identical. For a vessel going at
v= 3km/second,
|v - u| ~~ 6 microns/second.
Therefore, velocities (redefined as rapidities) add as usual in
Relativity, as well as in Newtonian physics.
Hey idiot Androcles,
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
reposting the same idiot drool that has been so thoroughly, utterly
publicly discredited by those who can do math (e.g., Randy Poe, in
disgustingly punctilious counterpoint) merely demonstrates what an
intractible idiot you are.
Empirical physical reality casts the only votes that count. Your
idiot spew is falsified by trivial empirical observation. You are a
psychotic ineducable idiot.
Where are your citations, idiot Androcles? Where are your literature
references, idiot Androcles? Where is your empirical observational
support, idiot Androcles? You drown in explicit empirical
falsfification, idiot Androcles. Your ignorance, incompetence, and
psychosis are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the
contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating experiment. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Nature 425 374 (2003)
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
Relativity in the GPS system. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity. You are fucked,
idiot Androcles.
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries. You are fucked, idiot
Androcles.
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf>
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Idiot Androcles is a eunuch in a brothel, a capon in a henhouse, a
steer amidst cows; a stot, a gelding, a gelt, a havier, a gib, a
lapin, a seg, a hog, a wether... a butt-fucked psychotic idiot spewing
in a science newsgroup.
Androcyst and logs:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LogsHuh.html
Androcyst and vectors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/IdiotVectors.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroVec.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorLength.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorSpaces.html
Androcyst and limits:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegativeInfinity.html
Androcyst and equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Persuasive.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroDistri.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ToothlessBite.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Competent.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/UseTrans.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Sheesh.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DivZero.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Think.html
Androcyst and square roots:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/STILL.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CanSpecify.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Nearly.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Quadratic.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GrowUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Tautology.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Material.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GIVEN.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PythagoRescue.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtRev.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegSqrt.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtAnswers.html
Androcyst and exclusive ors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gibberish.html
Androcyst and partial differential equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff3.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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| Title: Re: To Androcles about MMX |
23 Feb 2005 10:51:30 AM |
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"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA954.97D82099@hate.spam.net...
[snip]
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
80 = 40.
[snip CRAP]
You are persistently reposting the same idiot drool, royal fuckwit.
Androcles.
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:02:39 AM |
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Androcles wrote:
"Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA954.97D82099@hate.spam.net...
[snip]
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
80 = 40.
[snip CRAP]
You are persistently reposting the same idiot drool, royal fuckwit.
Androcles.
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/EnergyConservation.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/HopeThatHelps.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PrizeYours.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CoverUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GDefence.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/OneDim.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gullible.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/RelativityCancer.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Androrgasm.html>
Androcyst is a spewing psychotic idiot troll.
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary
frame.
Let L' = distance between Sam and Joe, as measured in the moving
frame.
Let v = speed of Sam and Joe, as measured in the stationary frame
(with Joe in front of Sam).
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_1' = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_1 = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_1' = time light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as measured
in the moving frame.
Let L_2 = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the stationary frame.
Let L_2' = distance light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as
measured in the moving frame.
Let T_2 = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured in
the stationary frame.
Let T_2' = time light travels in going from Joe to Sam, as measured
in the moving frame.
What people are saying to you is that
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
2) L_1/T_1 = c
3) L_1' = L'
4) L_1'/T_1' = c
5) L_2 = cL/(c+v)
6) L_2/T_2 = c
7) L_2' = L'
8) L_2'/T_2' = c
So
L_1 is *not* equal to L_2
L_1 is *not* equal to L
L_1 is *not* equal to L'
L_1 is *not* equal to L_1'
L_2 is *not* equal to L
L_2 is *not* equal to L'
L_2 is *not* equal to L_2'
T_1 is *not* equal to T_2
T_1 is *not* equal to L/c
T_1 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_1 is *not* equal to T_1'
T_2 is *not* equal to L/c
T_2 is *not* equal to L'/c
T_2 is *not* equal to T_2'
On the other hand,
L_1' is equal to L_2'
L_1' is equal to L'
L_2' is equal to L'
T_1' is equal to T_2'
T_1' is equal to L'/c
T_2' is equal to L'/c
Is there yet another way for you to misunderstand?
Einstein:
Ѕ[tau(0,0,0,t)+tau(0,0,0,t+x'/(c-v)+x'/(c+v))] =
tau(x',0,0,t+x'/(c-v))
Taking a = x, b = t + x'/(c-v), the functional equation above becomes:
tau(0,0,0,b-a/(c-v)) + tau(0,0,0,b+a/(c+v)) = 2 tau(a,0,0,b).
Defining the function F(k) = 2 tau(0,0,0,k), it then follows that
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v)).
Conversely, taking a = 0 in the equation above, it follows that
tau(0,0,0,b) = F(b) + F(b) = 2F(b).
Therefore, the general solution to the functional equation above is:
tau(a,0,0,b) = F(b-a/(c-v)) + F(b+a/(c+v))
where F is otherwise arbitrary.
(Further restrictions cited in the paper then narrow down the function
F(x); this also shows that the assumption in the paper of
differentiability is entirely superfluous. The derivation above
proceeds without any assumption about tau being differentiable or even
continuous.)
Thus, going back to Einstein's notation with x' = x - vt, it follows
that
tau(x-vt,0,0,t) = F((ct-x)/(c-v)) + F((ct+x)/(c-v))
which shows that the natural coordinates that enter into play are ct-x
and ct+x.
In terms of these the Lorentz transformation simplifies substantially:
ct-x -> sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) (ct-x)
ct+x -> sqrt((c-v)/(c+v)) (ct+x)
involving, respectively, a blue shift and red shift factor and
directly representing the Relativistic Doppler effect.
If two Lorentz transformation are done along the x axis at velocities
v1 and v2 respectively, then the factors would multiple:
sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
which reduces to a Lorentz transform with a velocity v given by:
sqrt((c+v)/(c-v)) = sqrt((c+v1)/(c-v1)) sqrt((c+v2)/(c-v2))
Solving this for v, you get:
v = (v1 + v2)/(1 + v1 v2/c^2)
So the velocity addition rule becomes the addition rule for the
"rapidity":
u = c/2 ln((c+v)/(c-v))
with
u = u1 + u2.
Rapidity and velocity are virtually identical. For a vessel going at
v= 3km/second,
|v - u| ~~ 6 microns/second.
Therefore, velocities (redefined as rapidities) add as usual in
Relativity, as well as in Newtonian physics.
Hey idiot Androcles,
<http://www.google.com/search?q=Androcles+fumble+site%3Ausers.pandora.be>
reposting the same idiot drool that has been so thoroughly, utterly
publicly discredited by those who can do math (e.g., Randy Poe, in
disgustingly punctilious counterpoint) merely demonstrates what an
intractible idiot you are.
Empirical physical reality casts the only votes that count. Your
idiot spew is falsified by trivial empirical observation. You are a
psychotic ineducable idiot.
Where are your citations, idiot Androcles? Where are your literature
references, idiot Androcles? Where is your empirical observational
support, idiot Androcles? You drown in explicit empirical
falsfification, idiot Androcles. Your ignorance, incompetence, and
psychosis are not of interest to the world at large. Quite the
contrary. You are not even an interesting laughingstock.
<http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html>
Hafele-Keating experiment. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Nature 425 374 (2003)
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
<http://www.public.asu.edu/~rjjacob/Lecture16.pdf>
Relativity in the GPS system. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2003-1/>
http://arXiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0311039
<http://www.weburbia.demon.co.uk/physics/experiments.html>
Experimental constraints on General Relativity. You are fucked,
idiot Androcles.
Science 303(5661) 1143;1153 (2004)
http://arXiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0401086
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0312071
Deeply relativistic neutron star binaries. You are fucked, idiot
Androcles.
Physics Today 57(7) 40 (2004)
http://physicstoday.org/vol-57/iss-7/p40.shtml
No aether. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://fsweb.berry.edu/academic/mans/clane/
http://physicsweb.org/articles/world/17/3/7
No Lorentz violation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/RelWWW/tests.html>
Mathematics of gravitation. You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.hep.upenn.edu/~max/toe.html
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
http://www.iancgbell.clara.net/maths/spctime.htm
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
<http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/Fields2.pdf>
You are fucked, idiot Androcles.
Idiot Androcles is a eunuch in a brothel, a capon in a henhouse, a
steer amidst cows; a stot, a gelding, a gelt, a havier, a gib, a
lapin, a seg, a hog, a wether... a butt-fucked psychotic idiot spewing
in a science newsgroup.
Androcyst and logs:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/LogsHuh.html
Androcyst and vectors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/IdiotVectors.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroVec.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorLength.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/VectorSpaces.html
Androcyst and limits:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegativeInfinity.html
Androcyst and equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Persuasive.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/AndroDistri.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Pythagoras.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/ToothlessBite.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Competent.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/UseTrans.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Sheesh.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SetSolve.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/DivZero.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Think.html
Androcyst and square roots:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/STILL.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/CanSpecify.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Nearly.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Quadratic.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GrowUp.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Tautology.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Material.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/GIVEN.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PythagoRescue.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtRev.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/NegSqrt.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/SqrtAnswers.html
Androcyst and exclusive ors:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/Gibberish.html
Androcyst and partial differential equations:
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff2.html>
<http://users.pandora.be/vdmoortel/dirk/Physics/Fumbles/PartialDiff3.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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23 Feb 2005 11:08:36 AM |
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The royal fuckwit "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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08 Mar 2005 06:25:52 PM |
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Dear Al, Androcles really is as ignorant as militantly ambitious, but
this gives you no grounds to negate aether. ;-) To corroborate that
your computation from the view of Einsteinian relativity and Lorentz
transformation is limited, I suggest, some refine them and show us
more general solutions.
The basis for it will be as follows. All Lorentz transforms, in that
number those which you used, have been written for the case when the
body moved along an axis. But we have a right to arrange axes in space
so as it is convenient for us. The result must not change, as
transformations of length and time are quite concrete and measurable
independently of direction of coordinate axes.
Proceeding from it, I suggest, you to turn axes by any angle less than
90 degrees convenient for you, and to achieve the same values of
coordinates and time transformation as in case you have described. And
I would ask you to do it not by way of substitution of coordinate
transformation into ready solutions, but straight from Lorentz
transform. And we have to proceed from fact that there will appear x-
and y-components of speed.
When you yield coinciding results, I will agree with you in your
confidence. But if you do not succeed, then pass all your above
references to that hole to which you used to send others. Together
with immortal Androcles.
On the other hand,
<< Summing up, we can say, general relativity provides the space with
physical properties; thus, in this sense the ether exists >>
[Einstein. Ether and relativity, 1920 (in reverse translation)]
Noting a trivial thing - that both SR and GR have been written for one
and the same physical space of universe, after it you can negate the
aether up to your heart contents. ;-)
It would be enough sad if you keep silence to this post, again. ;-)
This will not approach us to understanding the truth. ;-)
Sergey
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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23 Feb 2005 11:08:27 AM |
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The royal fuckwit "Uncle Al" <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message
news:421CA8D5.202258D0@hate.spam.net...
Why are you having so much trouble with basic algebra?
Let L_1 = distance light travels in going from Sam to Joe, as
measured in the stationary frame.
1) L_1 = cL/(c-v)
What a right royal stooopid *****.
See the peeing puppy moortel, he'll not be glad to add
you to his list of truly IMMORTAL fumbles. I will, though.
Androcles
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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17 Mar 2005 06:03:03 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<421CA954.97D82099@hate.spam.net>...
Androcles wrote:
[snip]
Now see, Al. You Relativity supporters claim things very responsible
for physics. On the grounds of these claims you are planning
experiments, and not cheap experiments. But practice show, they are
unable to stand a least criticism. And understanding it, you escape
from questions immediately, as soon as the criticism has got its
sound. Well, in what physics are you involved? What are you studying?
Have you ever thought about it?
Sergey
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| User: "Sergey Karavashkin" |
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08 Mar 2005 06:24:02 PM |
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Well, Androcles, you began swearing and deleting my substantiation.
This evidences, you have not arguments, and you are not aware. ;-) You
are stating that Michelson-Morley abolished aether properties? You
confuse, pal. First, Michelson and Morley are two persons, not one.
;-) And two very different persons. ;-) No distinction for you? This
speaks only that you are fully ignorant in the subject that is coined
on your site. I multiply showed you your ignorance in the basic
aspects of what you are trying to utter. And now as to Michelson and
Morley. Here is the citation from their team-work:
<< After the wave theory, in accordance with Fresnel, aether, first,
has to be at rest, except within transparent medium, and second, it
has to move in it (in the medium - S.K.) with the speed less than the
speed of medium, as
(n^2 - 1)/n^2 ,
where n is the refraction factor. These two hypotheses provide a full
and satisfying explanation of aberration. The second hypothesis,
despite it seems to be invalid, has to be considered as fully proven,
firstly, by Fizeau experiment, and secondly, by our own work.
Experimental study of the first hypothesis just is the essence of
present work >> [Albert A. Michelson and Edward W. Morley. On the
relative motion of the Earth and the luminiferous ether (in reverse
translation from Russian)].
Have you read the literature to which I referred you, grief of
parents? No. Have you analysed the aspects of which I wrote you? No.
Well, what are you, frog, croaking? ;-)
I only cannot understand, what is your disagreement with Dirk? Both
are dishonourable, shameless and idle. You don't like dielectric and
magnetic permeability? You are saying them,
Bye-bye mu_0 and epsilon_0.
You can still have mu_1 and epsilon_1, matter does exist.
Well, then turn off your computer, TV, light, take a stick and drive
flies. ;-) It seems, you are unable for more. You even are unable to
grasp that stick also has dielectric and magnetic permeability. And
this what you are calling epsilon_1 is the product of relative
dielectric permeability by that absolute, booby. This is epsilon_0
what gives a dimension to this product. Again, there in vacuum exist
EM waves and this what you call epsilon_0 and mu_0. Just the root of
their product is involved in the formula for light velocity. And
relative dielectric permeability is equal to 1 and still
dimensionless, misconductor of physics. And to the point, if you
agreed that epsilon_1 exists, and for vacuum it remains and is equal
to epsilon_0, then vacuum also is material. Or for you in vacuum both
epsilon_1 and epsilon_0 are absent? He-he! ;-)
And as to the spark experiment, let us agree so: kindly read my
original materials on arc processes and show us something of yours of
equal quality:
http://angelfire.lycos.com/la3/selftrans/v5_1/contents5.html#d
Thereupon we will see, who really is sophist. ;-)
Bye-bye,
Sergey
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Дата:2005-02-23 08:04:55 PST
Dear Al, Androcles really is as ignorant as militantly ambitious, but
this gives you no grounds to negate aether. ;-) To corroborate that
your computation from the view of Einsteinian relativity and Lorentz
transformation is limited, I suggest, some refine them and show us
more general solutions.
The basis for it will be as follows. All Lorentz transforms, in that
number those which you used, have been written for the case when the
body moved along an axis. But we have a right to arrange axes in space
so as it is convenient for us. The result must not change, as
transformations of length and time are quite concrete and measurable
independently of direction of coordinate axes.
Proceeding from it, I suggest, you to turn axes by any angle less than
90 degrees convenient for you, and to achieve the same values of
coordinates and time transformation as in case you have described. And
I would ask you to do it not by way of substitution of coordinate
transformation into ready solutions, but straight from Lorentz
transform. And we have to proceed from fact that there will appear x-
and y-components of speed.
When you yield coinciding results, I will agree with you in your
confidence. But if you do not succeed, then pass all your above
references to that hole to which you used to send others. Together
with immortal Androcles.
On the other hand,
<< Summing up, we can say, general relativity provides the space with
physical properties; thus, in this sense the ether exists >>
[Einstein. Ether and relativity, 1920 (in reverse translation)]
Noting a trivial thing - that both SR and GR have been written for one
and the same physical space of universe, after it you can negate the
aether up to your heart contents. ;-)
It would be enough sad if you keep silence to this post, again. ;-)
This will not approach us to understanding the truth. ;-)
Sergey
"Androcles" <Androcles@ MyPlace.org> wrote in message news:<HL%Sd.158942$B8.15049@fe3.news.blueyonder.co.uk>...
"Sergey Karavashkin" <selftrans@yandex.ru> wrote in message
news:a42650fc.0502230525.406c1eab@posting.google.com...
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Oh, Androcles, you set me laughing! You are saying, I am sophist?
Fine. Well, this is really fine. If all sophist were such... ;-)
Now, as a newly-called sophist, I will reply to your question:
<< Why don't they work in void space?
How are you going to prove that? >>
The matter is, there exist two constants: magnetic constant mu_0 and
dielectric constant epsilon_0.
Nonsense. Permeability and permittivity are properties of matter,
not vacuum. Maxwell said aether existed, so he gave aether properties.
Michelson-Morley says it doesn't exist.
Bye-bye mu_0 and epsilon_0.
You can still have mu_1 and epsilon_1, matter does exist.
How close can you bring two plates, charged to a megavolt,
in the vacuum of space, before a spark between them jumps across
and discharges them?
If you think you know, sophist, how will you perform that experiment?
[snip remainder, based on a false premise]
Androcles.
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