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"Pentcho Valev" |
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31 Mar 2007 04:16:49 AM |
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TOM ROBERTS WILL EXPLAIN THE DOPPLER EFFECT |
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html :
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=1 (as the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Androcles" |
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| Title: Re: TOM ROBERTS WILL EXPLAIN THE DOPPLER EFFECT |
31 Mar 2007 05:05:23 AM |
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"Pentcho Valev" <pvalev@yahoo.com> wrote in message =
news:1175332609.160221.311190@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
=20
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html :
=20
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
=20
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=3D1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=3D1 (as =
the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
=20
Pentcho Valev
"Tom Roberts" <tjroberts@lucent.com> wrote in message=20
news:hG3Sf.54263$H71.9335@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com...
| GSS wrote:
| > Tom Roberts wrote:
| >> I repeat: that is not really "speed".
| > Let us elaborate this point.
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| Imagine a train leaving one city at 12:00 and arriving in a city 60
| miles to its west at 12:01. Do you really think that train traveled
| 3,600 miles per hour? Of course not! This example used two _different_
| coordinate systems for "time", the two timezones of those two cities. =
To
| obtain the speed you _must_ use a single coordinate system; then =
you'll
| realize it traveled just under 60 miles per hour.
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| > If a time interval *dt* is measured by using UTC (or TAI) time
| > standards in reference frames K1, K2, K3 etc. in relative motion =
within
| > our solar system, will you regard this time interval as real or not
| > real?
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| "real" has nothing to do with it.
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| > If a distance interval *ds* is measured by using a standard meter =
rod
| > as per SI standards in reference frames K1, K2, K3 etc. in relative
| > motion within our solar system, will you regard this distance =
interval
| > as real or not real?
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| "Real" has nothing to do with it.
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| To obtain a speed, you must divide the distance traveled by the travel
| time, and _all_ quantities _must_ be measured in a single coordinate
| system. In Newtonian mechanics and SR, the coordinate system must be
| inertial, using standard clocks and rulers. In GR (or other coordinate
| systems) this merely yields coordinate speed.
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| _Nothing_ else is speed. Because that is what we mean by the word. =
<shrug>
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| Tom Roberts tjroberts@lucent.com=20
2AB/(t'A-tA) =3D c -- Einstein.
Real has nothing to do with it.
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On Mar 31, 10:16?am, "Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html:
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=1 (as the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
Pentcho Valev
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On Mar 31, 10:16?am, "Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html:
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=1 (as the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
Pentcho Valev
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04 Apr 2007 01:20:00 PM |
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On Mar 31, 10:16?am, "Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html:
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=1 (as the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
Pentcho Valev
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| User: "Pentcho Valev" |
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| Title: Re: TOM ROBERTS WILL EXPLAIN THE DOPPLER EFFECT |
27 May 2007 12:46:20 AM |
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Pentcho Valev wrote:
Tom Roberts, the Albert Einstein of our generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Relativity/SR/experiments.html :
"If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the
observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler
effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is
observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This
effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or
away from the detector...."
Now Roberts you should explain the relation between k and the
frequency variation. If you are really the Albert Einstein of our
generation, you will be able to twist and turn and eventually disperse
any suspicion that k=1 (as the Michelson-Morley experiment suggests)
and that the frequency varies in accordance with the value k=1 (as the
Pound-Rebka experiment suggests).
Roberts Roberts the head constantly buried in the sand and other parts
of your body sadly exposed - that is the recent result of the
application of Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2). A few years ago
your position was quite different:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_frm/thread/e88c45cb1c4adda7?
Tom Roberts in sci.physics.relativity: "The speed of the light is also
independent of source velocity, both in SR and GR, and experimentally.
The frequency and wavelength of the emitted light, however, are not
independent of source velocity, and depend upon the relative velocity
of the source and observer, including the direction of this velocity 3-
vector wrt the beam of light. The SR Doppler formula describes this
quite well (i.e. agrees with experimental measurements)." Tom Roberts
tjroberts@lucent.com
Pentcho Valev
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