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"Eagle Eyes" |
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12 Apr 2004 09:30:09 PM |
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Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
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Recognizing the fundamental difference between the
sidereal and synodic orbits of the planets is easy
to visualize--so easy that any normal child in kin-
dergarten can be taught this in ten seconds, using
only your left and right index fingers. By holding
one finger still and pointing straight up, use the
other finger to point straight down and make a few
circles around your stationary finger. That's side-
real motion. Now, hold the stationary finger a bit
closer to you, and repeat making circles with your
other finger, but this time holding the stationary
finger closer to your face and outside the circles.
That's synodic motion, like watching the orbits of
Mercury and Venus from Earth. For planets Mars and
beyond, hold your stationary finger off-center and
make circles around it. Nothing could be easier to
explain or understand. Thus I extend my middle fin-
ger to secular academia, the jackasses of the world.
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's "Copernican Revolution" FAQ:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=I2CLJ45R38089.8651736111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Step-by-Step Lesson: How To Observe Sidereal &
Synodic Planetary Orbits With Our Unaided Human Eyes:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject
Incompetence Of Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
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| User: "Jaxtraw" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
12 Apr 2004 11:08:06 PM |
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"Eagle Eyes" <visual.astronomy@telescope.university> wrote in message
news:DNDXUAE738090.1876041667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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Recognizing the fundamental difference between the
sidereal and synodic orbits of the planets is easy
to visualize
Yes, and everybody understands that. Except that your terminology is wrong.
It's called a synodic period, not a synodic orbit, because it's descriptive
of a period of *time* between conjunctions, rather than descriptive of a
*path* through *space*. The earth and planets, you see, orbit the sun,
something your God apparently didn't know.
Can't somebody DDOS this berk's remailers or something? :)
Ian
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| User: "Eagle Eyes" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
12 Apr 2004 11:48:25 PM |
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Humans and all corporeal living things hereon live
and die upon the Earth, not on the Sun. Neither do
humans live upon any other planet in our solar sys-
tem. Earth forms the center of herself, or the sta-
tionary "finger" centered on the synodic orbits of
the planets. Hence the Sun & Moon do in fact orbit
the Earth sidereally--the Sun relatively so, since
the Sun has so much mass. While the Moon does veri-
ly so, in close proximity and favoring the Earth's
greater mass. Hence even the Sun himself is not at
the center of our solar system but orbits with the
planets about our solar system's barycenter. Maybe
you should study some basic astronomy, ian iaxtraw.
Gravity is a mutual admiration society and no less.
Every solar system is one with it-self. Understand?
Ask anybody. I'll tear you a new ***** EVERY time!
^^^^^
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=DNDXUAE738090.1876041667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's "Copernican Revolution" FAQ:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=I2CLJ45R38089.8651736111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Step-by-Step Lesson: How To Observe Sidereal &
Synodic Planetary Orbits With Our Unaided Human Eyes:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject
Incompetence Of Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, "Jaxtraw" <jaxtraw@nospamnobigfoot.com> wrote:
"Eagle Eyes" <visual.astronomy@telescope.university> wrote in message
news:DNDXUAE738090.1876041667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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Recognizing the fundamental difference between the
sidereal and synodic orbits of the planets is easy
to visualize
Yes, and everybody understands that. Except that your terminology is wrong.
It's called a synodic period, not a synodic orbit, because it's descriptive
of a period of *time* between conjunctions, rather than descriptive of a
*path* through *space*. The earth and planets, you see, orbit the sun,
something your God apparently didn't know.
Can't somebody DDOS this berk's remailers or something? :)
LEGIS CANTIO CONTRA INEPTOS CRITICOS
Qvos legent hosce uersvs matvre censvnto,
Profanvm uvlgvs & inscivm ne attrectato
Omnesq: Astronomi, Astrologi, Blennis, Barbari procvl svnto.
Qvi aliter facit, is rite sacer esto.
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| User: "Jaxtraw" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 12:36:10 AM |
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"Eagle Eyes" <uisval.astronomy@telescopic.vniuersity> wrote in message
news:VULKIQSP38090.2836226852@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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Humans and all corporeal living things hereon live
and die upon the Earth, not on the Sun. Neither do
humans live upon any other planet in our solar sys-
tem. Earth forms the center of herself, or the sta-
tionary "finger" centered on the synodic orbits of
the planets. Hence the Sun & Moon do in fact orbit
the Earth sidereally--the Sun relatively so, since
the Sun has so much mass. While the Moon does veri-
ly so, in close proximity and favoring the Earth's
greater mass. Hence even the Sun himself is not at
the center of our solar system but orbits with the
planets about our solar system's barycenter. Maybe
you should study some basic astronomy, ian iaxtraw.
Gravity is a mutual admiration society and no less.
Every solar system is one with it-self. Understand?
Ask anybody. I'll tear you a new ***** EVERY time!
^^^^^
Hehe. The funny thing is, your apparent "wins" are wins in your mind alone;
just as your defeat of Copernicus is meaningless, since you do nothing but
knock down straw men.
The word is "period", not "orbit". People talk about sidereal periods, and
synodic periods, not orbits, because, I repeat, they are referring to
periods of time, not movements through space. The question of whether these
are based on movements around which body is irrelevant. Nothing orbits
sidereally, nor orbits sydonically. It's a meaningless conjunction of
terminology.
One further point; amongst the many fallacies in your fascinating
deconstruction of Copernicus, I couldn't help but notice that you seem to be
unaware of the difference between astronomers and historians. Just to
explain, astronomers are people who work with the current laws of physics to
try to understand the universe around us. Those people who discuss the past
are called historians. If there has been a misrepresentation of the past, as
you suggest, it's the historians who deserve your ire, not astronomers. I
hope you'll be amending your paper to correct this oversight.
Ian
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| User: "Eagle Eyes" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 01:10:29 AM |
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What's it like to be the loser?
"Jaxtraw" wrote:
Hehe. The funny thing is
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
--William of Ockham (~1300-1349)
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| User: "Jaxtraw" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 08:43:36 AM |
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"Eagle Eyes" <uisval.astronomy@telescopic.vniuersity> wrote in message
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What's it like to be the loser?
I'd imagine it's similar to predicting that Clinton will be the last
president of the US, and that the End Times are upon us, but much less
humiliating. :)
Ian
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| User: "Richard Schumacher" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 09:04:47 AM |
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Jaxtraw wrote:
"Eagle Eyes" <uisval.astronomy@telescopic.vniuersity> wrote in message
news:XJ5JJRR738090.3406134259@Gilgamesh-Frog.org...
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What's it like to be the loser?
I'd imagine it's similar to predicting that Clinton will be the last
president of the US, and that the End Times are upon us, but much less
humiliating. :)
Well, so far Clinton was the last legitimately-elected President of the
US, but that's not what ol' Buzzard Brain meant :_>
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| User: "Daniel Eig" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 10:26:34 AM |
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Eagle Eyes <uisval.astronomy@telescopic.vniuersity> wrote in message news:<XJ5JJRR738090.3406134259@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...
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What's it like to be the loser?
"Jaxtraw" wrote:
Hehe. The funny thing is
"Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem"
--William of Ockham (~1300-1349)
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Min,
You usually make a point that you're open and willing to respond to
people who want to discuss your posts with you. Now that someone has
finally stepped up to the plate, you're chickening out?
Not very suprising... why don't you go back to things you know more
about like your half-assed predictions and baseless biographies of
Jesus?
Sincerest regards,
Daniel Eig
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| User: "Eagle Eyes" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 11:57:01 AM |
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*Min's Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=DNDXUAE738090.1876041667@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's "Copernican Revolution" FAQ:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=I2CLJ45R38089.8651736111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Step-by-Step Lesson: How To Observe Sidereal &
Synodic Planetary Orbits With Our Unaided Human Eyes:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject
Incompetence Of Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
Grow a brain. Then we'll talk. ;)
"Daniel Eig" wanked:
<snipped wankage>
"Like a steely blade in a silken sheath,
we don't see what they're made of.
They shout about love, but when push comes
to shove, they live for the things they're
afraid of"--Neil Peart, 'The Weapon',
Rush, Signals, 1982 Polygram Records
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| User: "Daniel Eig" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 06:14:58 PM |
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Eagle Eyes <visual.astronomy@telescope.university> wrote in message news:<EA0D3EXP38090.7884259259@Gilgamesh-Frog.org>...
Grow a brain. Then we'll talk. ;)
I make no claims regarding whether or not I have a brain. That is for
academics and/or historians to debate.
I do claim however that Ian (Jaxtraw) does have a brain - and you
still have not addressed his points. I understand that you are
reluctant to address them, it is often painful to revisit failure.
Sincerest Regards,
Daniel Eig
p.s. Why do you bother to post through an anonymous remailer? It
doesn't really help you hide your real name or anything... though I
suppose it saves the bother of switching ISPs whenever people
complain...
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| User: "jerry warner" |
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| Title: Re: Understanding Sidereal & Synodic Orbits |
13 Apr 2004 12:53:20 AM |
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Is MIN Shawn Grant?
Eagle Eyes wrote:
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Recognizing the fundamental difference between the
sidereal and synodic orbits of the planets is easy
to visualize--so easy that any normal child in kin-
dergarten can be taught this in ten seconds, using
only your left and right index fingers. By holding
one finger still and pointing straight up, use the
other finger to point straight down and make a few
circles around your stationary finger. That's side-
real motion. Now, hold the stationary finger a bit
closer to you, and repeat making circles with your
other finger, but this time holding the stationary
finger closer to your face and outside the circles.
That's synodic motion, like watching the orbits of
Mercury and Venus from Earth. For planets Mars and
beyond, hold your stationary finger off-center and
make circles around it. Nothing could be easier to
explain or understand. Thus I extend my middle fin-
ger to secular academia, the jackasses of the world.
Daniel Joseph Min
*Min's "Copernican Revolution" FAQ:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=I2CLJ45R38089.8651736111@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
*Min's Step-by-Step Lesson: How To Observe Sidereal &
Synodic Planetary Orbits With Our Unaided Human Eyes:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=ZZ5B1I2037855.1969907407@Gilgamesh-frog.org
*Min's Notes On The Cowardice & Abject
Incompetence Of Orthodox Astronomers:
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=4PF6A0OZ38082.9096875@Gilgamesh-Frog.org
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