On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 23:47:20 +0100, "CWatters"
<colin.watters@turnersoak.NOSPAM.plus.com> wrote:

"2391 Dead" <zepp#22112391dead@nospamzeppscommentaries.com> wrote in message
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Really? An aluminum can penetrated all those layers of reinforced
concrete?

You would be surprised what's possible. Builders routinely nail wood to
thick steel girders by firing the nails right through the steel.

Well, we have another fellow here who says the plane hit the wall and
disintegrated thoroughly.

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:16:13 -0500, "Lloyd King"
<lloydking@kinglloydcom.com> wrote:

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On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:15:39 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

deadstatue wrote:

someday, the world will know what really happened, why the hole in the
pentagon supposedly from the plane, doesnt match the size of the
plane,
or that the steel in the wtc buildings didnt get hot enough to melt
from the jet fuel alone.cleverly planned, and beautifully undertaken,
our governments best smokescreen in years all for a personal vendetta
that couldnt be fulfilled by george bush sr.
rather ingenious blaming terrorists in afghanistan,and taking a
little
detour to iraq on the way home.

Judging from the questions you have, the "world" will only know what
happened when you educate yourself on the facts.

"Why the hole in a reinforced concrete wall isn't the same size as the
aluminum can that hit it" indeed.

Well, if the plane didn't go INTO the Pentagon, then where did it go?

Most of it went "BOOM". The rest did go into the Pentagon.

Really? An aluminum can penetrated all those layers of reinforced
concrete?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:15:39 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

deadstatue wrote:

someday, the world will know what really happened, why the hole in the
pentagon supposedly from the plane, doesnt match the size of the plane,
or that the steel in the wtc buildings didnt get hot enough to melt
from the jet fuel alone.cleverly planned, and beautifully undertaken,
our governments best smokescreen in years all for a personal vendetta
that couldnt be fulfilled by george bush sr.
rather ingenious blaming terrorists in afghanistan,and taking a little
detour to iraq on the way home.

Judging from the questions you have, the "world" will only know what
happened when you educate yourself on the facts.

"Why the hole in a reinforced concrete wall isn't the same size as the
aluminum can that hit it" indeed.

Well, if the plane didn't go INTO the Pentagon, then where did it go?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:15:39 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

deadstatue wrote:

someday, the world will know what really happened, why the hole in the
pentagon supposedly from the plane, doesnt match the size of the plane,
or that the steel in the wtc buildings didnt get hot enough to melt
from the jet fuel alone.cleverly planned, and beautifully undertaken,
our governments best smokescreen in years all for a personal vendetta
that couldnt be fulfilled by george bush sr.
rather ingenious blaming terrorists in afghanistan,and taking a little
detour to iraq on the way home.

Judging from the questions you have, the "world" will only know what
happened when you educate yourself on the facts.

"Why the hole in a reinforced concrete wall isn't the same size as the
aluminum can that hit it" indeed.

Well, if the plane didn't go INTO the Pentagon, then where did it go?

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:15:39 GMT, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote:

deadstatue wrote:

someday, the world will know what really happened, why the hole in the
pentagon supposedly from the plane, doesnt match the size of the plane,
or that the steel in the wtc buildings didnt get hot enough to melt
from the jet fuel alone.cleverly planned, and beautifully undertaken,
our governments best smokescreen in years all for a personal vendetta
that couldnt be fulfilled by george bush sr.
rather ingenious blaming terrorists in afghanistan,and taking a little
detour to iraq on the way home.

Judging from the questions you have, the "world" will only know what
happened when you educate yourself on the facts.

"Why the hole in a reinforced concrete wall isn't the same size as the
aluminum can that hit it" indeed.

Well, if the plane didn't go INTO the Pentagon, then where did it go?

<
I see that "United 93 - the movie - will make its big
screen
debut Friday,
then be featured on Larry King Live Friday night, so let
me say THIS
about
THAT:
<
The movie is billed as an honest, fact-based account of
the events
aboard hijacked
Boeing 757 jet Flight 93 on 9/11/01..
<
The truth is, it's sheer fiction.
<
The "Rally 'Round the Flag" incident never happened.
<
Flight 93 didn't "crash" near Shanksville, Pa. It was shot
to
smithereens by
a white U.S. military jet, with debris being spread five
to eight miles
distance.
That's what Russian radio and TV told their listeners the
day of 911,
citing
their information from one of their satellites
<
And the 40 passengers -- most fictional -- and crew didn't
perish
when it
was struck by a missile simply because there was no one
aboard. It was
a drone, poiloted by remote control from from the ground.

What happened to the folks who allegedly "died" in the
crash is the
real mystery.
Hell, they might still be alive -- bunkered away
somewhere -- or they
may be
at the bottom of the Atlantic.
<
The "Flight 93" fiasco was a ploy to add to the propoganda
the Bush
administration
dished out in heaping doses about 911, blaming 19
terrorists (a
half-dozen still alive)
and Osama bin Laden.
<
The government sure made it seem believeable - the
now-you-see-them-now-you-don't
jets that kamikazied the Twin Towers, the orchestrated
demolition of
both buildings, the Pentagon fiasco and all the cell phone
calls,
especially by Barbara Olson and Mark Bingham (to mention
just two of
those supposedly dozen or more cell phone calls from
Flight 93).

Bingham's sister took a cell phone call from her brother
and
excitedly told him that his mother was right near the
phone and
anxiously wanted to speak to him.

When Mom excitedly took the phone and said, "Hello, Mark!"
he
responded matter-of-factly: "Hello, this is Mark BINGHAM."

Even his mother agreed it was rather strange, and in all
likelihood it
was a fradulent tape
recording. Same for the "voice" of a few other callers
aboard, some of
which were hardly audible
<
The problem, back on Sept, 11, 2001, is that it was
relatively
impossible to make
a telephone call using a cell phone. They couldn't
transmit clearly
- if at all --
from a plane high in the sky traveling at more than 500
mph.
<
"United 93" writer/director Paul Greenglass is quoted as
saying, as he
got deeper into the making of the fictional movie, that he
began to
feel "haunted by the film's central struggle between a
band of
suicidal religious fantatics and a group of everyday
people thrown
together by circumstance. That struggle at the controls of
the airplane
is really a struggle for our world today."
<
What utter crap!
<
Later Greengrass adds:
<
"We're only at the beginning of our understanding of the
events of
911. But I think we've got to make sense of it. Everything
for the
last five years steams from it.
<
"Whether you agree or disagree with the war in Iraq, or
whehther
you're worrried about he erosion of civil libertieis or
you're not,
it all goes back to that morning," he continued.
<
"To me, the job of this film is to take us back to that
morning and
create a responsible mature reasonable narrative of what
happened on
that day to see what it tells us about
where we are today."
<
While making "United 93." Greenglass relied mainly on cell
phone
calls from passengers
and crew. He felt, by doing so, he would be able to create
a
minute-by-minute breakdown
of events aboard Flight 93.
<
Alas, "United 93" isn't an attempt at remembering history
the way
it happened. It's
a sad-sack movie that insults the intelligence of
everyone who knows
who was
responsible - certainly NOT terrorists -- and why 911
occurred: to
open wide
the floodgates for the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq
and the
inky-black but
pure gold oil that they felt assured would be the grand
prize.

<
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=75&contentid=3451.
<
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/RedBandanas.htm
<
http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/institutional_analysis/flighttheimpro169124.html
<
Ed Conrad
<
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Reuters
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Albanian Telegraphic Agency, ATA
Alternativna Informativna Mreza, AIM
Anadolu News Agency
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ArmenPress
Asbar News Agency
Associated Press, AP
Athens News Agency, APE
ATH news agency - Kharkov, Ukraine
Atlantic News Service
Austria Press-Agentur, APA
Australian Associated Press, AAP
Baltic News Service, BNS
Bolivia Web - News from the ERBOL News Agency
Bulgarian Telegraph Agency, BTA
Canadian Press, CP
Central News Agency, CNA
Ceskolovenska Tiskova Kancelat, CTK
China News Service
COMPASS Media, Inc.
Cubapress
Cyprus News Agency, CNA
Deutsche Presse - Agentur Gmbh , DPA
ELTA - Lithuanian news agency
Eesti Teadete Agentur, ETA
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Hrvatska Izvjestajna Novinska Agencija, HINA
Indonesian National News Agency, ANTARA
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Reality Macedonia
Magyar Tavirati Iroda, MTI
Malaysian National News Agency - BERNAMA
Mediafax - Romanian News Agency
Mercopress News Agency
Montsame News Agency, SABA
New Zealand Press Association, NEPA
Official Jordania News Agency, PETRA
Oman News Agency
Pakistan Press International, PPI
Panafrican News Agency
Polska Agencja Prasowa, PAP
Prensa Latina
Press association
Prime-TASS Economic News Agency
Reuters
Russian Information Agency, Ria "Novosti"
Schweizerische Depeschen Agentur, SDA
Serbian Press Agency, SRNA
Slovene Press Agency, STA
SNARK News Agency
Suomen Tietotoimisto
Tanjug News Agency
Telegrafnoye Agnetstvo Sovietskogo Snyuza, TASS
Tidningranas Talegrambyra, TT
Tlacova agentura Slovenskej republiky, TASR
Vietnam News Agency
Yemen News Agency, SABA
Yonhap News Agency
Xinhua News Agency
<

WORLD'S LARGEST NEWSPAPERS

Rank Country Circulation
1. Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan) 14,532,694
2. Asahi Shimbun (Japan) 12,601,375
3. Sichuan Ribao (China) 8,000,000
4. Mainichi Shimbun (Japan) 5,845,857
5. Bild (Germany) 5,674,400
6. Chunichi Shimbun (Japan) 4,323,144
7. Sun (England) 3,718,354
8. Renmin Ribao (China) 3,000,000
9. Sankei Shimbun (Japan) 2,890,835
10. Nihon Keizai Shimbun Japan 2,705,877
11. Gongren Ribao (China) 2,500,000
12. Daily Mail (England) 2,387,867
13. Daily Mirror (England) 2,339,001
14. Chosun Ilbo (South Korea) 2,225,000
15. Dong-A Ilbo (South Korea) 2,150,000
16. Hokkaido Shimbun (Japan) 1,962,666
17. Eleftherotypia (Greece) 1,858,316
18. Xin Min Wan Bao (China) 1,750,000
19. Wall Street Journal (U.S.) 1,740,450
20. Yangcheng Wanbao China 1,730,000
21. Kerala Kaumudi (India) 1,720,000
22. Wen Hui Bao Daily (China 1,700,000
23. USA Today (United States) 1,653,428
24. Joong-Ang Ilbo (S. Korea) 1,550,000
25. Economic Daily (China) 1,500,000
26. Rodong Sinmun (N. Korea) 1,500,000
27. Kyung-Hyang Daily News 1,478,537
28. Sports Nippon (Japan) 1,452,699
29. Shizuoka Shimbun (Japan)) 1,442,310
30. Sankei Sports (Japan) 1,367,734
31. Deutche Allgemeine Germ 1,313,400
32. United Daily News (Taiwan ) 1,300,000
33. China Times (Taiwan) 1,270,000
34. O Estado de Sao Paulo Brazil) 1,230,160
35. Jang Daily (Pakistan) 1,200,000
36. Jang Lahore (Pakistan) 1,200,000
37. Akhbar El Yom/Al Akhbar (Egypt) 1,159,339
38. Hankook Ilbo (South Korea) 1,156,000
39. Hochi Shimbun (Japan) 1,119,031
40. Daily Express (England) 1,118,981
41. Los Angeles Times (U.S.) 1,067,540
42. New York Times (U>S) 1,066,540
43. Tokyo Shimbun (Japan 1,062,080
44. Daily Telegraph (England) 1,047,861
45. Nishinippon Shimbun Japan 1,041,104
46. Jiefang Ribao (China) 1,000,000
47. Nanfang Ribao (China) 1,000,000
48. Nongmin Ribao (China) 1,000,000
49. Zhongguo Qingnian Ribao (China) 1,000,000
50. Nikkan Sports (Japan) 984,058
51. Al Akhbar (Egypt) 980,000
52. Guangming Ribao (China) 950,000
53. Al Ahram (Egypt) 900,000
54. Al Goumhouriya (Egypt) 900,000
55. Seoul Shinmun (S. Korea) 900,000
56. Xin Hua Ribao (China) 900,000
57. Verdens Gang (Norway) 870,267
58. Corriere della Sera (Italy) 868,266
59. Kyoto Shimbun (Japan) 839,499
60. Chugoku Shimbun (Japan) 820,000
61 Kobe Shimbun Japan 820,000
62. Times of India (India) 813,000
63. Kobe Shimbun (Japan) 810,353
64. Beijing Wanbao (China) 800,000
65. Hubei Ribao (China) 800,000
66. Jiefangjun Ribao (China) 800,000
67. Trybuna Slaska (Poland) 800,000
68. La Gazzetta dello Sport Italy 798,243
69. Ouest-France (France) 790,133
70. Holos Ukrainy (Ukraine) 768,000
71. The Times (England) 766,999
72. ABC (Spain) 765,668
73. Washington Post (U.SSS>) 759,122
74. La Repubblica (Italy) 754,930
75. De Telegraf (Netherlands) 751,400
76. Gazeta Wyborcza (Poland) 750,000
77. Zero Hora (Brazil) 727,188
78. Diario dos Campos (Brazil) 725,000
79. New York Daily News (U.S.) 723,143
80. Sabah (Turkey) 722,950
81. Jornal da Tarde (Brazil) 709,793
82. Beijing Ribao (China) 700,000
83. Chongqing Ribao (China) 700,000
84. Clarin (Argentina) 700,000
85. Thai Rath (Thailand 700,000
86. Zhejiang Ribao (China) 700,000
87. Diario Insular (Portugal) 684,143
88. Granma Internacional (Cuba) 675,000
89. Chicago Tribune (U.S>) 673,508
90. Daily Record (Scotland) 671,267
91. China Daily News (Taiwan) 670,000
92. The Daily Star (England) 650,406
93. Guangxi Ribao (China) 650,000
94. Malayala Manorama (India) 630,068
95. La Nacion (Argentina) 630,000
96. Hurriyet (Turkey) 615,579
97. Herald Sun (Australia) 600,000
98. Hurriyet (Pakistan) 600,000
99. Liaoning Ribao (China) 600,000
100. Oriental Daily News (Hong Kong) 600,000
<

100 LARGEST NEWSPAPERS IN U.S.

Rank
Circulation
1. USA Today (Arlington, Va.) 2,154,539
2. Wall Street Journal (NY N.Y.) 2,091,062
3. Times (New York, N.Y.) 1,118,565
4. Times (Los Angeles) 914,584
5. Post (Washington, DC) 732,872
6. Daily News (New York, N.Y.) 729,124
7. Tribune (Chicago) 680,879
8. Post (New York, N.Y.) 652,426
9. Newsday (Long Island, N.Y.) 580,069
10. Chronicle (Houston) 553,018
11. Chronicle (San Francisco) 512,640
12. Morning News (Dallas) 510,133
13. Sun-Times (Chicago) 481,798
14 Globe (Boston) 450,538
15. Arizona Republic (Phoenix) 432,284
16. Star-Ledger (Newark, N.J.) 408,672
17. Star Tribune (Minneapolis) 380,354
18. Inquirer (Philadelphia) 376,493
19. Journal-Constitution (Atlanta) 371,853
20. Plain Dealer (Cleveland) 365,288
21. Free Press (Detroit) 352,714
22. Oregonian (Portland) 342,789
23. Times (St. Petersburg, Fla.) 334,742
24. Union-Tribune (San Diego) 328,531
25. Herald (Miami) 315,850
26. Register Orange County CA 302,864
27. Sun (Baltimore) 301,186
28. Bee (Sacramento, Calif.) 289,905
29. Post (Denver) 288,937
30. Rocky Mtn. News Denver 288,889
31. Post-Dispatch (St. Louis) 285,869
32. Mercury News San Jose CA 271,997
33. Star (Kansas City, Mo.) 267,273
34. Sentinel (Orlando, Fla.) 257,222
35. Times-Picayune N Orleans 253,610
36. Dispatch (Columbus, Ohio) 252,564
37. Star (Indianapolis) 249,891
38. Journal Sentinel Milwaukee 244,288
39. Post-Gazette Pittsburgh Pa 242,546
40. Herald (Boston) 241,457
41. Sun-Sentinel (Ft L'dale, Fla ) 233,634
42. Times (Seattle) 231,505
43. News (Detroit) 227,392
44. Observer (Charlotte, N.C.) 226,849
45. Tribune (Tampa, Fla.) 224,220
46. Express-News S Antonio Tx 222,536
47. Investor's Business Daily LA 215,788
48. Star-Telegram Ft Worth, TX) 215,452
49. Courier-Journal L'ville Ky 213,176
50. News (Buffalo, N.Y.) 207,989
51. Daily Oklahoman Okla City 207,538
52. Virginian-Pilot (Norfolk, Va.) 201,141
53. World-Herald Omaha Neb. 192,075
54. Pioneer Press(St Pau, Minn 190,392
55. Times-Dispatch Richmond 188,540
56. Courant (Hartford, Conn.) 185,570
57. Press-Enterprise R'side CA 183,974
58. Democrat-Gazette (L'l Rock 183,343
59. American-Statesman Austin 183,312
60. Contra Costa Times (Calif.) 182,541
61. Enquirer (Cincinnati) 182,176
62. Record (Bergen County, N.J.) 179,270
63. Daily News (Los Angeles) 178,360
64. Democrat (Rochester, N.Y.) 173,900
65. Tennessean (Nashville) 172,149
66. Post (W. Palm Beach, Fla.) 168,147
67. Times-Union(Jacksonville Fla 167,851
68. Journal (Providence, R.I.) 167,609
69. Asbury Park Press (N.J.) 167,284
70. News & Observer Raleigh NC 163,769
71. Review-Journal (Las Vegas) 160,391
72. Bee (Fresno, Calif.) 158,651
73. Commercial Appeal Memphis 157,820
74. Register (Des Moines, Iowa) 150,851
75. Post-Intelligencer (Seattle) 150,851
76. Daily Herald (Chicago) 150,364
77. News (Birmingham, Ala.) 148,938
78. Daily News (Philadelphia) 143,631
79. Journal News Westchester NY) 142,873
80. Advertiser (Honolulu) 142,025
81. Blade (Toledo, Ohio) 139,520
82. World (Tulsa, Okla.) 139,383
83. Press (Grand Rapids, Mich.) 138,620
84. Tribune (Salt Lake City) 134,985
85. Beacon Journal (Akron, Ohio 128,511
86. News Tribune Tacoma Wash . 128,511
87. Daily News (Dayton, Ohio) 126,642
88. La Opinion Los Angeles Calif 124,692
89. Post-Standard Syracuse, N.Y. 120,701
90. Tribune-Review (Greensburg Pa) 119,646
91. News Journal (Wilmington, Del. ) 116,398
92. News-Sentinel (Knoxville, Tenn.) 114,593
93. State (Columbia, S.C.) 114,442
94. Morning Call (Allentown, Pa.) 111,594
95. Journal (Albuquerque) 109,693
96. Herald-Leader (Lexington, Ky.) 106,941
97. Herald-Tribune (Sarasota, Fla.) 105,636
98. News-Journal (Daytona Fla.) 104,654
99. Telegram (Worcester MA) 102,592
100. Times (Washington, DC) 102,255