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"Sam Wormley" |
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26 Apr 2006 09:13:54 PM |
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US told to invest in particle physics |
US told to invest in particle physics (Apr 26)
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/10/4/12
America must boost its investment in particle physics if it is to stay
at the forefront of the discipline. That is the conclusion of a National
Academy of Sciences panel charged with recommending priorities for US
particle physics over the next 15 years. The panel believes that the
"intellectual centre of gravity" within the field is moving abroad and
that, as things stand, within a few years most American experimental
particle physicists will be working at facilities overseas.
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| User: "OsherD" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
27 Apr 2006 01:21:26 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
I agree very much with the Committee's recommendations, in particular
the emphasis on particle physics, dark energy, dark matter, cosmology,
neutrinos, etc. As for one reader's comment or hint to the effect that
Europe taking over the particle physics frontier research wouldn't be
so bad, it wouldn't be so bad if it went to the U.K. or Italy or even
the Netherlands or Denmark, but a high proportion the remaining
European nations are pro-Islamist, and if the reader wants to live in
an Islamist world, he/she should move to Iran or Saudi Arabia or Syria
and put his/herself where his/her mouth is as the saying goes.
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
29 Apr 2006 11:00:11 PM |
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 02:13:54 +0000, Sam Wormley wrote:
US told to invest in particle physics (Apr 26)
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/10/4/12
America must boost its investment in particle physics if it is to stay
at the forefront of the discipline. That is the conclusion of a National
Academy of Sciences panel charged with recommending priorities for US
particle physics over the next 15 years. The panel believes that the
"intellectual centre of gravity" within the field is moving abroad and
that, as things stand, within a few years most American experimental
particle physicists will be working at facilities overseas.
Will someone *please* tell me why we decommissioned the Superconducting
Supercollider again?
:-)
Especially since completing it then allowing it to sit there would have
been cheaper??
(Ye gods.)
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "OsherD" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
30 Apr 2006 11:20:21 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
The Ghost in the Machine typed:
Will someone *please* tell me why we decommissioned the Superconducting
Supercollider again?
:-)
Especially since completing it then allowing it to sit there would have
been cheaper??
I "hate" to say this, but budget-chopping used to be the Conformist fad
in politics until 9/11. Politics in the USA and most of the world
consists arguably of a bunch of hyper-extroverts who worship
Conformity. When the USSR sent up its Sputnik satellite, we launched
our Moon program. When the USSR "decentralized" into Russia, the USA
"decentralized" into a passive Presidency and a passive Congress. When
bin Laden launched 9/11, we became Anti-Terrorist (not before - look at
Reagan's Iran-Contra oil-for-weapons and dope-for-weapons trade for
hostages, Clinton's treating Terrorism as requiring not military but
only "Police Actions", and on and on). Also when the USSR
"decentralized", we starting chopping science programs and
"decentralized our budget", i.e., became budget-choppers. Even the two
Bushes couldn't bring themselves to fight more than one Terrorist
nation at a time. Instead of simultaneously invading Saudi Arabia,
Iran, Syria, and Iraq, which would have prevented the current
border-crossing influx of Terrorists into Iraq and the escape of
Terrorists to refuge in those other nations (the same applies to Afghan
Terrorists using Pakistan as their base), they invaded Iraq alone and
still haven't touched anybody else. Bureaucrats are the real DUMMIES
of our time. Their Conformity limits them to plodding ahead one step
at a time like ants and following each other's "lead". And the
Educational Mafia does the same with its fads and Conformity.
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
26 Apr 2006 10:41:38 PM |
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Sam Wormley wrote:
US told to invest in particle physics (Apr 26)
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/10/4/12
America must boost its investment in particle physics if it is to stay
at the forefront of the discipline. That is the conclusion of a National
Academy of Sciences panel charged with recommending priorities for US
particle physics over the next 15 years. The panel believes that the
"intellectual centre of gravity" within the field is moving abroad and
that, as things stand, within a few years most American experimental
particle physicists will be working at facilities overseas.
And this is bad because...?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
29 Apr 2006 11:18:12 PM |
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To keep research money used up because they dont want anything that
works
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| User: "PD" |
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| Title: Re: US told to invest in particle physics |
26 Apr 2006 10:40:55 PM |
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Sam Wormley wrote:
US told to invest in particle physics (Apr 26)
http://physicsweb.org/article/news/10/4/12
America must boost its investment in particle physics if it is to stay
at the forefront of the discipline. That is the conclusion of a National
Academy of Sciences panel charged with recommending priorities for US
particle physics over the next 15 years. The panel believes that the
"intellectual centre of gravity" within the field is moving abroad and
that, as things stand, within a few years most American experimental
particle physicists will be working at facilities overseas.
Well, duh.
RHIC and FNAL and SLAC programs are winding down, as everyone knew they
would.
Can't heavily invest in current programs at those labs *and* do work on
LHC megaprojects *and* adequately push NLC or NMC.
Seems like the decision for the current direction was made in 1994.
PD
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