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Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
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======== Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups ==========
The sci.physics.* and alt.sci.physics.* newsgroups are
forums devoted to the discussion of physics and
physics-related topics.
The contributors to these newsgroups constitute a
diverse group of laypeople, students, engineers, and
other professionals in addition to professional
physicists. All are united by an interest in physics,
and all are welcome to contribute postings here.
The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is available from a number of
Web sites listed later in this welcome message. Some
of the more narrowly focused physics newsgroups have
their own FAQs, which are regularly posted in the
appropriate newsgroups. The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is
available only as a web document since it is too big
and uses images and equations that cannot be
transformed into text.
Some of the newsgroups have their charter residing in
the Faq archive. To read these, see
http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Administrivia/newsgroups.html
- Newsgroups for General Physics Discussions -
sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to
the discussion of mainstream physics (except
relativity), news from the physics community, and
physics-related social issues.
sci.physics.relativity is an open forum for discussions
about the theory of relativity, from elementary level
to research level discussions, from dissemination of
new theoretical ideas to speculative attacks on the
foundations of relativity. In general, threads in
this group should -not- be crossposted to
sci.physics, unless they involve quantum physics or
grand unification schemes that lie outside the topics
suggested above. The charter is held in the
Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
alt.sci.physics.new-theories is an open forum for
discussion of any topics related to conventional or
unconventional physics. In this context,
"unconventional physics" includes any ideas on
physical science, whether or not they are widely
accepted by the mainstream physics community.
sci.physics.research is a moderated newsgroup designed
to offer an environment with less traffic and more
opportunity for discussion of serious topics in
physics among experts and beginners alike. The
charter for this group is in the Newsgroup FAQ (see
above for url).
- Specialized Physics Newsgroups -
sci.physics.particle is an unmoderated newsgroup
dedicated to the discussion of all aspects of
particle physics by people with all levels of
expertise. The charter for this group may be read in
the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.accelerators is an unmoderated newsgroup
for issues relating to particle accelerators and the
physics of beams. The charter for this group is in
the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
alt.sci.physics.acoustics is an unmoderated newsgroup
for issues relating to sound and acoustics. Its FAQ
and a set of informal rules are held in the Newsgroup
FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.cond-matter is an unmoderated newsgroup
dedicated to the discussion of the physics of
condensed matter. The charter for this group may be
read in the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.computational.fluid-dynamics is an
unmoderated newsgroup for discussion of computational
fluid dynamics with a charter at the Newsgroup FAQ
(see above for url).
sci.physics.electromag is an unmoderated newsgroup with
its own FAQ dedicated to the discussion of topics
pertaining to electromagnetics. The FAQ and charter
are held in the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.fusion is an unmoderated newsgroup with its
own FAQ dedicated to the discussion of nuclear
fusion; refer to the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for
url).
sci.physics.plasma is a moderated newsgroup serving the
plasma science and technologies community. The
charter for this group may be read in the Newsgroup
FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.strings is a moderated newsgroup covering
whatever aspects of string theory that people want to
discuss. The charter for this group is at
http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~sps
sci.physics.foundations is a moderated group designed
to discuss any issue of the foundations of physics or
philosophy of physics, and in particular posts on
unresolved or controversial issues. The charter is
held at
http://vacuum-physics.com/spf
There are several other alt.sci.physics.* groups.
- Other Languages -
de.sci.physik is the German language group for physics
discussions.
fj.sci.physics is the Japanese language group for
physics discussions.
================ Posting Guidelines ==================
- All Are Welcome -
We welcome contributions from newcomers, including
questions at all levels of expertise. However, we do
ask that "newbies" always check the FAQ (see the next
section) -before- posting any questions, because
experience has shown that chances are very good that a
very similar question is answered there. (The word FAQ
is, after all, an acronym for "Frequently Asked
Questions".)
"Wild and crazy ideas" are also acceptable in the
appropriate newsgroups, alt.sci.physics.new-theories
and sci.physics.relativity) but please be sure to check
the available FAQs before posting to avoid the
embarrassment of posting something based on a VCM (very
common misconception).
- Crossposting is Discouraged -
Cross-posting from one physics newsgroup to another
newsgroup is, in general, strongly discouraged. It is
almost always best to post a question in the one group
which seems best suited rather than cross-posting it to
several groups.
If you respond to a message which is cross-posted to
irrelevant groups, please remove the other groups from
the Newsgroup line in the header of your response, or
use the Followup line in the header to direct further
followups to just one or two groups. Cross-posting is
-sometimes- acceptable if it is limited to at most two
or three other newsgroups, in each of which the topic
is clearly acceptable and is not considered overly
speculative.
For example, discussions about black holes and
cosmology can be cross-posted to sci.astro, but
discussion of faster-than-light travel or the twin
paradox should be posted only to
sci.physics.relativity. Likewise, theories intended to
topple the Standard Model should be posted only to
alt.sci.physics.new-theories.
- Newsgroups Devoted to Speculative Physics -
Please note that sci.physics is -not- considered an
appropriate forum for the discussion of unconventional
physics.
The newsgroup specifically dedicated to the discussion
of "alternative" physics is
alt.sci.physics.new-theories, and is the appropriate
forum for discussion of physics ideas which are not
widely accepted by the physics community. The charter
for sci.physics.relativity also allows for speculative
subjects.
- Posting Netiquette -
If you are replying to another post, please be sure to
cut out all irrelevant text, and to make every effort
to ensure that it is clear who said what. It may be
advisable to lurk here for a while to see how
experienced posters accomplish this. Realise too that
if another poster has placed
X-No-archive: yes
as the first line of their message, then it means that
they are instructing well-behaved retrieval engines not
to archive the text. So please do likewise: don't copy
their message into yours.
While many people post through Google at
http://groups.google.com, be aware that Google only
archives messages: it doesn't display messages marked
as above for no archiving.
The most effective posts are concise, clearly
expressed, and focus on a very specific point. It is
always a good idea to re-read what you have written
(and to employ a spell checker!) -before- posting your
message. It is also wise to make sure that your
subject line concisely and accurately describes the
content of the message.
Don't post textbook problems in the hope that someone
will do your homework for you. Do your own homework;
it's good for you. On the other hand, questions, even
about elementary physics, are always welcome. So if
you want to discuss the physics which is relevant to
your homework, feel free to do so. Be warned that you
may still have plenty of work to do, trying to figure
out which of the many answers you get are correct.
Your postings will be read by thousands of people so it
is worth taking a minute to read it back and check the
spelling, grammar and punctuation before posting. If
your browser has the capability, previewing your post
to check how it would actually look online is a wise
precaution.
- No Flames, Please! -
Be prepared for heated discussion. People have strong
opinions about the issues, and discussions can get a
little "loud" at times. Don't take it personally if
someone seems to always jump all over everything you
say. Everyone was jumping all over everybody long
before you got there! You can keep the discussion at a
low boil by trying to stick to the facts. Clearly
separate facts from opinion -- don't let people think
you are confusing your opinions with scientific truth.
And keep the focus of discussion on the ideas, not the
people who post them.
Tolerate everyone. People of many different points of
view, and widely varying educational backgrounds from
around the world participate in these newsgroups.
Respect for others will be returned in kind. Personal
criticism is usually not welcome.
Finally, it is important to always bear in mind that
some behavior is decidedly -unwelcome- at any time in
this newsgroup, including:
* spamming of any kind,
* cross-posting to large numbers of unrelated
newsgroups,
* posting on wildly irrelevant topics,
* repeated postings of identical messages,
* abusive flaming.
Bottom line: if you wouldn't say it in front of your
mother or your boss, please don't say it here.
If you respond to a message which is cross-posted to
irrelevant groups, please remove the other groups from
the Newsgroup line in the header of your response, or
use the Followup line in the header to direct further
followups to just one or two groups. Cross-posting is
-sometimes- acceptable if it is limited to at most two
or three other newsgroups, in each of which the topic
is clearly acceptable and is not considered overly
speculative. For example, discussions about black
holes and cosmology can be cross-posted to sci.astro,
but discussion of faster-than-light travel or the twin
paradox should be posted only to
sci.physics.relativity.
=== The Physics Newsgroup FAQ and Where to Find It ===
The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is available at a number of
web sites. You can obtain the FAQ at
Australia:
http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq
Canada:
http://www.stillmoving.ca/physics/faq
Germany:
http://www.desy.de/pub/www/projects/Physics
Netherlands:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/PhysFAQ
Taiwan:
http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq
USA:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics
http://scope.joemirando.net/faqs
http://www.obscure.org/physics-faq
http://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faq
http://www.ronen.net/physics
The current editor of the Physics Newsgroup FAQ is Don
Koks, who may be reached by email at
username: dkoks
rest of address: physics.adelaide.edu.au
Don Koks is on sabbatical for several months.
Note that I use spam-deleting software set to delete
email at the merest hint of spam-like behaviour, so if
an email to me receives no reply in a few days, please
try sending it again with no html, as well as a subject
line that clearly indicates it relates to physics.
=================== Related FAQs =====================
There are many other places where you may find answers
to your questions. This is a partial list of other
FAQs and answer archives that are related to physics.
A more complete list may be found in the Physics
Newsgroup FAQ.
Frequently Asked Questions in Astronomy
http://sciastro.astronomy.net
Ask the Astronomer
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu.
Relativity on the World Wide Web
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/relativity.html
alt.sci.physics.acoustics FAQ
http://www.campanellaacoustics.com/faq.htm#basic
Sci/chem FAQ
http://isc.faqs.org/faqs/sci/chem-faq
Space
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/space
============= This Welcome Message ===================
This welcome message is periodically posted in some of
the sci.physics.* newsgroups. Currently, the welcome
editor is David A. Smith, while the editor of the
Physics Newsgroup FAQ is Don Koks.
We hope that you will find your participation in these
groups to be enjoyable, informative, and productive!
======================================Rev. 2007apr14
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| User: "oriel36" |
|
| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
02 Dec 2007 01:59:16 PM |
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David
I am only visiting sci.physics.relativity and somehow miss some of the
older people in the group such as Franz Heymann
(R.I.P) ,Spaceman,Speicher and even Reany.Despite the fuss,I learned
much from the discussions back then.
Many never escape the fact that it is all about protecting Newton
rather than any real contention and despite the fact that there is no
feedback loop between the absolute/relative definitions supplied by
Newton and the early 20th century concept only highlights the truism
of protecting Newton even though it manages to dump aether on Newton
as 'absolute space'.
The new moderated newsgroups 'powered by vbullletin' are scary places
and for all the repetition of arguments here and the insults,the
individual conviction seen here is more potent than the moderated/
indoctrinated views on those forums.
Calling it a day is such a difficult thing but I think thanking people
here is the polite thing to do and I mean that,it is where I began and
where I end.
On Dec 2, 5:55 pm, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <dl...@cox.net>
wrote:
X-No-archive: yes
======== Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups ==========
The sci.physics.* and alt.sci.physics.* newsgroups are
forums devoted to the discussion of physics and
physics-related topics.
The contributors to these newsgroups constitute a
diverse group of laypeople, students, engineers, and
other professionals in addition to professional
physicists. All are united by an interest in physics,
and all are welcome to contribute postings here.
The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is available from a number of
Web sites listed later in this welcome message. Some
of the more narrowly focused physics newsgroups have
their own FAQs, which are regularly posted in the
appropriate newsgroups. The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is
available only as a web document since it is too big
and uses images and equations that cannot be
transformed into text.
Some of the newsgroups have their charter residing in
the Faq archive. To read these, seehttp://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Administrivia/newsgroup...
- Newsgroups for General Physics Discussions -
sci.physics is an unmoderated newsgroup dedicated to
the discussion of mainstream physics (except
relativity), news from the physics community, and
physics-related social issues.
sci.physics.relativity is an open forum for discussions
about the theory of relativity, from elementary level
to research level discussions, from dissemination of
new theoretical ideas to speculative attacks on the
foundations of relativity. In general, threads in
this group should -not- be crossposted to
sci.physics, unless they involve quantum physics or
grand unification schemes that lie outside the topics
suggested above. The charter is held in the
Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
alt.sci.physics.new-theories is an open forum for
discussion of any topics related to conventional or
unconventional physics. In this context,
"unconventional physics" includes any ideas on
physical science, whether or not they are widely
accepted by the mainstream physics community.
sci.physics.research is a moderated newsgroup designed
to offer an environment with less traffic and more
opportunity for discussion of serious topics in
physics among experts and beginners alike. The
charter for this group is in the Newsgroup FAQ (see
above for url).
- Specialized Physics Newsgroups -
sci.physics.particle is an unmoderated newsgroup
dedicated to the discussion of all aspects of
particle physics by people with all levels of
expertise. The charter for this group may be read in
the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.accelerators is an unmoderated newsgroup
for issues relating to particle accelerators and the
physics of beams. The charter for this group is in
the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
alt.sci.physics.acoustics is an unmoderated newsgroup
for issues relating to sound and acoustics. Its FAQ
and a set of informal rules are held in the Newsgroup
FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.cond-matter is an unmoderated newsgroup
dedicated to the discussion of the physics of
condensed matter. The charter for this group may be
read in the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.computational.fluid-dynamics is an
unmoderated newsgroup for discussion of computational
fluid dynamics with a charter at the Newsgroup FAQ
(see above for url).
sci.physics.electromag is an unmoderated newsgroup with
its own FAQ dedicated to the discussion of topics
pertaining to electromagnetics. The FAQ and charter
are held in the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.fusion is an unmoderated newsgroup with its
own FAQ dedicated to the discussion of nuclear
fusion; refer to the Newsgroup FAQ (see above for
url).
sci.physics.plasma is a moderated newsgroup serving the
plasma science and technologies community. The
charter for this group may be read in the Newsgroup
FAQ (see above for url).
sci.physics.strings is a moderated newsgroup covering
whatever aspects of string theory that people want to
discuss. The charter for this group is at
http://schwinger.harvard.edu/~sps
sci.physics.foundations is a moderated group designed
to discuss any issue of the foundations of physics or
philosophy of physics, and in particular posts on
unresolved or controversial issues. The charter is
held athttp://vacuum-physics.com/spf
There are several other alt.sci.physics.* groups.
- Other Languages -
de.sci.physik is the German language group for physics
discussions.
fj.sci.physics is the Japanese language group for
physics discussions.
================ Posting Guidelines ==================
- All Are Welcome -
We welcome contributions from newcomers, including
questions at all levels of expertise. However, we do
ask that "newbies" always check the FAQ (see the next
section) -before- posting any questions, because
experience has shown that chances are very good that a
very similar question is answered there. (The word FAQ
is, after all, an acronym for "Frequently Asked
Questions".)
"Wild and crazy ideas" are also acceptable in the
appropriate newsgroups, alt.sci.physics.new-theories
and sci.physics.relativity) but please be sure to check
the available FAQs before posting to avoid the
embarrassment of posting something based on a VCM (very
common misconception).
- Crossposting is Discouraged -
Cross-posting from one physics newsgroup to another
newsgroup is, in general, strongly discouraged. It is
almost always best to post a question in the one group
which seems best suited rather than cross-posting it to
several groups.
If you respond to a message which is cross-posted to
irrelevant groups, please remove the other groups from
the Newsgroup line in the header of your response, or
use the Followup line in the header to direct further
followups to just one or two groups. Cross-posting is
-sometimes- acceptable if it is limited to at most two
or three other newsgroups, in each of which the topic
is clearly acceptable and is not considered overly
speculative.
For example, discussions about black holes and
cosmology can be cross-posted to sci.astro, but
discussion of faster-than-light travel or the twin
paradox should be posted only to
sci.physics.relativity. Likewise, theories intended to
topple the Standard Model should be posted only to
alt.sci.physics.new-theories.
- Newsgroups Devoted to Speculative Physics -
Please note that sci.physics is -not- considered an
appropriate forum for the discussion of unconventional
physics.
The newsgroup specifically dedicated to the discussion
of "alternative" physics is
alt.sci.physics.new-theories, and is the appropriate
forum for discussion of physics ideas which are not
widely accepted by the physics community. The charter
for sci.physics.relativity also allows for speculative
subjects.
- Posting Netiquette -
If you are replying to another post, please be sure to
cut out all irrelevant text, and to make every effort
to ensure that it is clear who said what. It may be
advisable to lurk here for a while to see how
experienced posters accomplish this. Realise too that
if another poster has placed
X-No-archive: yes
as the first line of their message, then it means that
they are instructing well-behaved retrieval engines not
to archive the text. So please do likewise: don't copy
their message into yours.
While many people post through Google athttp://groups.google.com, be aware that Google only
archives messages: it doesn't display messages marked
as above for no archiving.
The most effective posts are concise, clearly
expressed, and focus on a very specific point. It is
always a good idea to re-read what you have written
(and to employ a spell checker!) -before- posting your
message. It is also wise to make sure that your
subject line concisely and accurately describes the
content of the message.
Don't post textbook problems in the hope that someone
will do your homework for you. Do your own homework;
it's good for you. On the other hand, questions, even
about elementary physics, are always welcome. So if
you want to discuss the physics which is relevant to
your homework, feel free to do so. Be warned that you
may still have plenty of work to do, trying to figure
out which of the many answers you get are correct.
Your postings will be read by thousands of people so it
is worth taking a minute to read it back and check the
spelling, grammar and punctuation before posting. If
your browser has the capability, previewing your post
to check how it would actually look online is a wise
precaution.
- No Flames, Please! -
Be prepared for heated discussion. People have strong
opinions about the issues, and discussions can get a
little "loud" at times. Don't take it personally if
someone seems to always jump all over everything you
say. Everyone was jumping all over everybody long
before you got there! You can keep the discussion at a
low boil by trying to stick to the facts. Clearly
separate facts from opinion -- don't let people think
you are confusing your opinions with scientific truth.
And keep the focus of discussion on the ideas, not the
people who post them.
Tolerate everyone. People of many different points of
view, and widely varying educational backgrounds from
around the world participate in these newsgroups.
Respect for others will be returned in kind. Personal
criticism is usually not welcome.
Finally, it is important to always bear in mind that
some behavior is decidedly -unwelcome- at any time in
this newsgroup, including:
* spamming of any kind,
* cross-posting to large numbers of unrelated
newsgroups,
* posting on wildly irrelevant topics,
* repeated postings of identical messages,
* abusive flaming.
Bottom line: if you wouldn't say it in front of your
mother or your boss, please don't say it here.
If you respond to a message which is cross-posted to
irrelevant groups, please remove the other groups from
the Newsgroup line in the header of your response, or
use the Followup line in the header to direct further
followups to just one or two groups. Cross-posting is
-sometimes- acceptable if it is limited to at most two
or three other newsgroups, in each of which the topic
is clearly acceptable and is not considered overly
speculative. For example, discussions about black
holes and cosmology can be cross-posted to sci.astro,
but discussion of faster-than-light travel or the twin
paradox should be posted only to
sci.physics.relativity.
=== The Physics Newsgroup FAQ and Where to Find It ===
The Physics Newsgroup FAQ is available at a number of
web sites. You can obtain the FAQ at
Australia:http://hermes.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq
Canada:http://www.stillmoving.ca/physics/faq
Germany:http://www.desy.de/pub/www/projects/Physics
Netherlands:http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/PhysFAQ
Taiwan:http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/mirrors/physicsfaq
USA:http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physicshttp://scope.joemirando.net/faqshttp://www.obscure.org/physics-faqhttp://www.edu-observatory.org/physics-faqhttp://www.ronen.net/physics
The current editor of the Physics Newsgroup FAQ is Don
Koks, who may be reached by email at
username: dkoks
rest of address: physics.adelaide.edu.au
Don Koks is on sabbatical for several months.
Note that I use spam-deleting software set to delete
email at the merest hint of spam-like behaviour, so if
an email to me receives no reply in a few days, please
try sending it again with no html, as well as a subject
line that clearly indicates it relates to physics.
=================== Related FAQs =====================
There are many other places where you may find answers
to your questions. This is a partial list of other
FAQs and answer archives that are related to physics.
A more complete list may be found in the Physics
Newsgroup FAQ.
Frequently Asked Questions in Astronomyhttp://sciastro.astronomy.net
Ask the Astronomerhttp://curious.astro.cornell.edu.
Relativity on the World Wide Webhttp://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/relativity.html
alt.sci.physics.acoustics FAQhttp://www.campanellaacoustics.com/faq.htm#basic
Sci/chem FAQhttp://isc.faqs.org/faqs/sci/chem-faq
Spacehttp://www.faqs.org/faqs/space
============= This Welcome Message ===================
This welcome message is periodically posted in some of
the sci.physics.* newsgroups. Currently, the welcome
editor is David A. Smith, while the editor of the
Physics Newsgroup FAQ is Don Koks.
We hope that you will find your participation in these
groups to be enjoyable, informative, and productive!
======================================Rev. 2007apr14
.
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| User: "dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
02 Dec 2007 09:48:56 PM |
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Dear oriel36:
On Dec 2, 12:59 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
David
I am only visiting sci.physics.relativity and
somehow miss some of the older people in the
group such as Franz Heymann (R.I.P) ,Spaceman,
Speicher
.... also (R.I.P.)
and even Reany. Despite the fuss,I learned
much from the discussions back then.
I actually found the "fuss" to be a motivator.
Many never escape the fact that it is all
about protecting Newton rather than any
real contention and despite the fact that
there is no feedback loop between the
absolute/relative definitions supplied by
Newton and the early 20th century concept
only highlights the truism of protecting
Newton even though it manages to dump
aether on Newton as 'absolute space'.
I understand and remember your personal obsession, yes.
The new moderated newsgroups 'powered
by vbullletin' are scary places and for
all the repetition of arguments here and
the insults, the individual conviction
seen here is more potent than the
moderated/ indoctrinated views on those
forums.
I agree. It is unfortunate that the "sporge" atacks still occuring on
alt.sci.physics and sci.chem will probably be the end of "free"
usenet.
Calling it a day is such a difficult
thing but I think thanking people here
is the polite thing to do and I mean
that, it is where I began and where I
end.
Until "the next emanation", goodbye and good luck.
David A. Smith
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
03 Dec 2007 12:18:58 AM |
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"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
news:aaf37615-bd4a-4397-9825-59040c4be167@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
I agree. It is unfortunate that the "sporge" atacks still occuring on
alt.sci.physics and sci.chem will probably be the end of "free"
usenet.
I've been hearing *that* one since the late 20th century.
Any day now...
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| User: "dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
03 Dec 2007 06:58:49 AM |
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Dear Sanders Kaufman:
On Dec 2, 11:18 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
"dlzc" <dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
....
I agree. It is unfortunate that the
"sporge" atacks still occuring on
alt.sci.physics and sci.chem will
probably be the end of "free" usenet.
I've been hearing *that* one since the
late 20th century. Any day now...
People are bailing to paid servers, servers that filter out the crap.
Mr. Sporge producer has dumped as many as 1000 posts in one day on one
newsgroup, and did not limit him / herself to one newsgroup.
If no one can "hear themselves think", why would they post? If they
stop posting the newsgroup is terminated. Consider that the newsgroup
that was intended to inform new users has recently been brought up to
be terminated.
It might keep on for another 20 years or more. I hope it does. But I
hoped the river of ***** would end too.
David A. Smith
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| User: "Sanders Kaufman" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
03 Dec 2007 07:38:45 PM |
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"dlzc" <dlzc1@cox.net> wrote in message
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Dear Sanders Kaufman:
probably be the end of "free" usenet.
I've been hearing *that* one since the
late 20th century. Any day now...
People are bailing to paid servers, servers that filter out the crap.
I tried that for a while.
It's a great way to get people together who agree with each other.
Heck, even when they disagree - they *agree* to disagree.
Very agreeable environment, indeed.
But those communities have been coming and going since the dawn of the
internet.
And through the rise and fall of each, Usenet has been here - steady as
rock, chaotic as a war.
And every day, somebody somewhere prophecies that the chaos will be "the
end" of usenet.
.... yup.... any day now. :)
Seriously though - I remember the discussions leading up to the development
of the NNTP (usenet) protocol.
The WHOLE purpose was to make sure anybody anywhere could get their word
out, putting the power of censorship where it belongs - in the individual's
hands.
It's a purpose that was genius in it's inception, and which has well
withstood the test of time.
Mr. Sporge producer has dumped as many as 1000 posts in one day on one
newsgroup, and did not limit him / herself to one newsgroup.
That's his business, none of mine.
There's *always* gonna be somebody trying to sell you ***** as Shinola.
My only question is, if you don't want it as a part of your life, why are
you making it so?
Some people walk right by the Moonies.
Others laugh at them... as they walk right by.
But then there's a darker group of people - who feel the need to punch the
Moonies.
Which type of person do YOU want to be?
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| User: "dlzc" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
03 Dec 2007 09:57:24 PM |
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Dear Sanders Kaufman:
On Dec 3, 6:38 pm, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote:
"dlzc" <dl...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Seriously though - I remember the discussions
leading up to the development of the NNTP
(usenet) protocol. The WHOLE purpose was to
make sure anybody anywhere could get their
word out, putting the power of censorship
where it belongs - in the individual's hands.
It's a purpose that was genius in it's
inception, and which has well withstood the
test of time.
Mr. Sporge producer has dumped as many as
1000 posts in one day on one newsgroup, and
did not limit him / herself to one newsgroup.
That's his business, none of mine.
Try and carry on a conversation on sci.chem. Try and field questions
from newbies. Like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
There's *always* gonna be somebody trying
to sell you ***** as Shinola.
They are selling nothing. They are making sure that no one else can
be heard.
My only question is, if you don't want it
as a part of your life, why are you making
it so?
Because this place, usenet, is the forum of last resort. I was
directed here for answers, because there was no one else willing to
answer the question. Be nice to have this service available, without
a waterfall drowning out all possibility of communication.
Some people walk right by the Moonies.
Others laugh at them... as they walk right
by. But then there's a darker group of
people - who feel the need to punch the
Moonies.
Which type of person do YOU want to be?
The person that returns the favor that was given me.
David A. Smith
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| User: "oriel36" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
03 Dec 2007 12:06:50 PM |
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On Dec 3, 3:48 am, dlzc <dl...@cox.net> wrote:
Dear oriel36:
On Dec 2, 12:59 pm, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...@gmail.com> wrote:
David
I am only visiting sci.physics.relativity and
somehow miss some of the older people in the
group such as Franz Heymann (R.I.P) ,Spaceman,
Speicher
... also (R.I.P.)
Very sad to hear that,truly !.
and even Reany. Despite the fuss,I learned
much from the discussions back then.
I actually found the "fuss" to be a motivator.
Many never escape the fact that it is all
about protecting Newton rather than any
real contention and despite the fact that
there is no feedback loop between the
absolute/relative definitions supplied by
Newton and the early 20th century concept
only highlights the truism of protecting
Newton even though it manages to dump
aether on Newton as 'absolute space'.
I understand and remember your personal obsession, yes.
You know the story,one man's obsession is another man's dedication.
How was Newton to know that Flamsteed came up with a false 'proof' for
axial rotation and set in motion a series of unfortunate events.The
difference between the beginning of the last century and the beginning
of this one is that modern imaging provides a better tool to recognise
and undo the damage that actually occured back at Newton and actually
is located in his definitional treatment of time,space and motion.
The new moderated newsgroups 'powered
by vbullletin' are scary places and for
all the repetition of arguments here and
the insults, the individual conviction
seen here is more potent than the
moderated/ indoctrinated views on those
forums.
I agree. It is unfortunate that the "sporge" atacks still occuring on
alt.sci.physics and sci.chem will probably be the end of "free"
usenet.
Not a chance,the tactic of 'sporge' refreshes topics quickely and I
have nothing to say against it,if what I say is interesting enough
then a response surfaces irrespective of what tactic is used to drown
out the workings of a forum.
Calling it a day is such a difficult
thing but I think thanking people here
is the polite thing to do and I mean
that, it is where I began and where I
end.
Until "the next emanation", goodbye and good luck.
David A. Smith
Thank you also,it is no disrespect to present members of the
forum,only the passing of some people from the forum who gave with
conviction whether I agreed or disagreed with them ,you included.
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| User: "Don Stockbauer" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome! to the Physics Newsgroups |
02 Dec 2007 04:32:11 PM |
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Rules are made to be broken.
Abide by the rules and it would take you billion of years to solve the
Tower of Hanoi puzzle.
Ignore the rules, pick up all those disc en masse and plunk them down
on the other peg and you can solve it in two seconds.
But that's not a solution, it's cybernetic expediency.
Who cares?
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| User: "Androcles" |
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02 Dec 2007 04:45:06 PM |
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"Don Stockbauer" <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0102eca5-d94b-456a-87ac-2340e90a5f84@w34g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
: Rules are made to be broken.
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: Abide by the rules and it would take you billion of years to solve the
: Tower of Hanoi puzzle.
Nonsense, my computer does it in under a millisecond.
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