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21 Oct 2005 07:18:46 PM |
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What is it about matter that slows light? |
If it is absorption and reemission then light doesn't really slow down
because there is no light left. The scientists are making a misnomer in
this case.
And if it isn't that atoms absorb and emit then it must be the light
interacting with the atomic forces.
If light really does slow down then how does it speed back up? How does
light accelerate upon exiting a medium?
I believe that light gets its motion from time and that they share the
same motion so to speak. The constancy of the speed of light applies to
time.
Light accelerates.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What is it about matter that slows light? |
25 Oct 2005 11:22:40 AM |
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WATER ROCKET ENGINE
3x30 inch cylinder full of water with 2 inch compressed air at top hot
from fast compresion is injected with gas and o2 .
The 1 square inch hole opens and the water is forced out at 500 psi
for 1 second.
A air compresor 3x3 inch at 240 rpm compressed air to run the 2
cylinders .
The water stops 2 inches from the top and the compresor tank kiks in 100
psi and runs 2 cylinders.
The same gas air mix as a jet ski but o2 is added to the gas air mix
at tdc.
10 % of the fuel per hour .
Ill settle for 1/6 the fuel.
1/6 te fuel after your car you said has 5 times the HP on o2 .
YOUR a fucking dumbass .
You bring the best jet ski 310 hp 250 ci jet boat 1100 pound thrust
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Ill blow it away running a 4 pipe water rocket 2 fires wile 2 fill.
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| User: "Mike" |
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24 Oct 2005 09:42:02 PM |
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wrote:
Mike wrote:
Tom Roberts wrote:
[snip]
It doesn't. In essence it just stops being slowed down by the medium.
This is not the change in speed of any THING, and there is no "force"
involved.
I agree. You forgot to add that those little pink unicorns are
responsible for the "instantenuous" change in speed of the photons.
Nevertheless, I am amused woth the certainty you describe these
conjestures about photons interacting with charged particles.
You don't think that photons interact "woth" charged particles?
Do you not think that photons exist or do you deny that they interact
with charged particles?
Please explain digital imaging if either one of the above applies
to you.
I am sure
you would make an excellent child story writer with many bestsellers
about this ugly big bear chasing little kids around and the magic woman
who transormed the princes to a pig.
hahahahahahah ... shame
Shame on you. Tom Roberts has forgotten more physics than
you're ever going to understand.
and probably parts of the Bible..... hahahahahahahahha...idiot
Mike
John Anderson
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| User: "Happy Hippy" |
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21 Oct 2005 07:51:52 PM |
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Nick wrote:
If it is absorption and reemission then light doesn't really slow down
because there is no light left. The scientists are making a misnomer in
this case.
And if it isn't that atoms absorb and emit then it must be the light
interacting with the atomic forces.
If light really does slow down then how does it speed back up? How does
light accelerate upon exiting a medium?
I believe that light gets its motion from time and that they share the
same motion so to speak. The constancy of the speed of light applies to
time.
Light accelerates.
Quasars are photons.
An excited galaxy collects uncharged matter
as accretion discs until they reach a
critical size. They are then shot away in
opposite directions as Quasars. The matter
making up the Quasar is unlike charged matter
because instead of having the positive at the
center and the negative surrounding it, both the
negative and positive orbit the same center.
There is as much of this kind of matter in a
Quasar as there is in a small galaxy.
These Quasars travel away at 9000 km/sec from
their parent galaxies (ref. Arp). Will one hit
the Milky Way? I hope not. There's a lot of
space out there. But it will probably interact
gravitationally with galaxies it gets close to.
This will cause it to go a longer way. And take
a longer time. And if it hits something dead on,
it might split into two complementary quantities.
But why shine so bright and why go so fast?
John
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| User: "Happy Hippy" |
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24 Oct 2005 01:21:43 AM |
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Happy Hippy wrote:
Nick wrote:
If it is absorption and reemission then light doesn't really slow down
because there is no light left. The scientists are making a misnomer in
this case.
And if it isn't that atoms absorb and emit then it must be the light
interacting with the atomic forces.
If light really does slow down then how does it speed back up? How does
light accelerate upon exiting a medium?
I believe that light gets its motion from time and that they share the
same motion so to speak. The constancy of the speed of light applies to
time.
Light accelerates.
Quasars are photons.
An excited galaxy collects uncharged matter
as accretion discs until they reach a
critical size. They are then shot away in
opposite directions as Quasars. The matter
making up the Quasar is unlike charged matter
because instead of having the positive at the
center and the negative surrounding it, both the
negative and positive orbit the same center.
There is as much of this kind of matter in a
Quasar as there is in a small galaxy.
These Quasars travel away at 9000 km/sec from
their parent galaxies (ref. Arp). Will one hit
the Milky Way? I hope not. There's a lot of
space out there. But it will probably interact
gravitationally with galaxies it gets close to.
This will cause it to go a longer way. And take
a longer time. And if it hits something dead on,
it might split into two complementary quantities.
But why shine so bright and why go so fast?
John
Whichever way the charges making up Quasars are
arranged, it is demonstrably different from
the matter making up regular stars and planets.
I say this because Quasars have been measured to be
moving through space at 9000 km/sec. Observers have
measured redshift and in many cases the two
"gravitationally-lensed" Quasars have different z value
by some small amount. In the scenario where both proceed
from the parent galaxy, this is because one moves angle X
towards us while the other moves angle X away from us.
Using a number of these, and assuming the same intrinsic
redshift, one can calculate the velocity relative to the
local galaxies. One thirtieth the speed of light. If that
interacts with a galaxy, do you think it will bring some
energy?
So, in the same way light has a different spin than
matter, Quasars have a different spin than matter.
Except the Quasars' matter is the same density as our
matter, while the light has the same density as the
electron's matter. Confused?
John
Galaxy Model
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/
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| User: "Sue..." |
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21 Oct 2005 08:43:09 PM |
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Nick wrote:
If it is absorption and reemission then light doesn't really slow down
because there is no light left. The scientists are making a misnomer in
this case.
And if it isn't that atoms absorb and emit then it must be the light
interacting with the atomic forces.
If light really does slow down then how does it speed back up? How does
light accelerate upon exiting a medium?
I believe that light gets its motion from time and that they share the
same motion so to speak. The constancy of the speed of light applies to
time.
Light accelerates.
The charges in the matter don't like reversing
direction.... because they weigh 0.511 MeV.
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Images/alphaeq.gif
http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Constants/alpha.html
Sue...
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| User: "RP" |
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21 Oct 2005 10:07:35 PM |
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Nick wrote:
If it is absorption and reemission then light doesn't really slow down
because there is no light left. The scientists are making a misnomer in
this case.
And if it isn't that atoms absorb and emit then it must be the light
interacting with the atomic forces.
If light really does slow down then how does it speed back up? How does
light accelerate upon exiting a medium?
I believe that light gets its motion from time and that they share the
same motion so to speak. The constancy of the speed of light applies to
time.
Light accelerates.
The instantaneous velocity of light is c wrt a given observer, always.
The mean (or average) speed of the information conveyed by the waves can
be less than c, and the closing speed (speed wrt a point that is in
motion wrt our observational frame) can be greater than or less than c.
When light interacts with a media such as quartz, the charges within the
material oscillate by their interaction with the field, producing
secondary radiation that is in turn out of phase with the incident
radiation. All of the optical effects that we observe are the result of
constructive and destructive interference of radially propagating em waves.
Richard Perry
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| User: "Brad Guth" |
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31 Oct 2005 08:53:56 AM |
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Nick,
I very much like this question: "What is it about matter that slows
light".
Outside of whatever the mainstream status quo has had to say all along,
I don't have a scientific clue other than I'm taking a shine to a whole
lot of what you have to say. To that I'll merely contribute my SWAG as
to there being by now at least 1e100 photons/atom. Of course the likes
of "T Wake" and so many other brown-nosed incest cloned borgs that'll
stalk and bash upon a given topic/author for sport in order to argue
against absolutely anything that's not there idea or train of thought,
and seldom if ever contributing to the topic at hand, and thus proving
that this MI6/NSA~CIA usenet sucks and blows for perfectly good
reasons. Whereas the contributions by the likes of "RP" and even "tj
Frazir" have been pitching in with useful info that seems more correct
than not.
Seemingly atoms merely exist and/or coexists as-is where-is, as much
one and the very same BIG-BANG or whatever beginning number of atoms
that created our universe in the first place, whereas photons have been
getting born again and again by the gazillions per microsecond from the
very first sparks of life.
Info from "tj Frazir" has quite often been interesting and even
informative, though also most often he's way over my head or otherwise
I can't seem to tell which side of the argument or infomercial he's on.
Like myself, "tj Frazir" offers us a bit too much encrypted
information. Otherwise there seems to have been a good number of
possible notions as to addressing this topic, that as you've pointed
out have not been quit so carved in stone as we'd thought.
I'm thinking that light appears to slows down (but perhaps really
isn't) because it has to zoom around so gosh darn many extra atoms in a
given fluid or solid like diamond gives us the impression of being a
real packet speed reducer, rather than going extremely fast through a
vacuum as having those few and far between atoms to spare/m3. I don't
believe a photon can survive as-is without becoming a secondary/recoil
worth of something other if taking a shortcut by way of passing
directly through the inner realm of an atom, whereas I'm thinking
that's one of those photon laws of physics.
I also believe it's possible to artificially align atoms and to spin
those aligned atoms at different speeds, which is somewhat exactly what
a laser accomplishes.
I understand that artificially light speed has supposedly been
sequestered, then artificially allowed to go on it's way. I believe
this has somewhat more to do with the spinning and/or lack there of
spinning atoms.
I believe it's possible for one photon to carry and/or hand-off another
photon of a shorter wavelength, and I don't believe it works the other
way around.
I also favor that the photon can not exist without the atom. Thus
whenever there are too few of those atoms/m3 is where certain photons
that are too short of wavelength in order to reach from one atom to the
next atom might not make it though the void, thus becoming
nearly-resting (perhaps becoming dark energy) photons until a
sufficient number of atoms show up (if ever being the case of a black
hole), of atoms that can become aligned for the original photon task at
hand. In other words, a given photon is somewhat of a robo-AI packet in
need of at least a few good FIFO nodes (meaning atoms) along the way.
In a universe of mater, dark-mater and antimatter that's perhaps worth
all of 1e100 atoms, adding the populations of photons to those 1e100
atoms represents a universe of 1e100e100 photons (must of which we
obviously can't see), and certainly not all of those photons have been
going at the speed of light. As you say, of even the slight worth of
the spectrum which we see is where those photons seem to have been
slowing down as passing into and through certain mediums, then speeding
back up as they most often (unless reflected) exit at exactly 180=B0
from their point of entry. Although, why should a photon that's
supposedly 2D and thus supposedly having zero mass reflect?
~
Kurt Vonnegut would have to agree; WAR is WAR, thus "in war there are
no rules" - In fact, war has been the very reason of having to deal
with the likes of others that haven't been playing by whatever rules,
such as GW Bush.
Life upon Venus, a township w/Bridge & ET/UFO Park-n-Ride Tarmac:
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-town.htm
The Russian/China LSE-CM/ISS (Lunar Space Elevator)
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/lunar-space-elevator.htm
Venus ETs, plus the updated sub-topics; Brad Guth / GASA-IEIS
http://guthvenus.tripod.com/gv-topics.htm
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| User: "Nick" |
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02 Nov 2005 04:34:38 PM |
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Brad I am glad you like my question.
There is only one way light can reall slow down.
And that is by interacting with the EM field of
matter.
I have been told it is just absorption and
emission of light in a medium. But this doesn't
actually CHANGE the SPEED of light.
The other argument is that light travels a longer
path as through a prism. This too is not the light moving slower.
It is true that light speed is slowed down by matter. It can even be
halted. But I say that
it is the EM field around matter that
accomplishes this. It is a field effect.
The people on this board are confused about
this and will stand against common sense.
But I have got a grip on it.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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02 Nov 2005 04:49:26 PM |
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"Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1130970878.890055.137970@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
But I have got a grip on it.
Wow. The light of zealotry burns in your eyes.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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21 Oct 2005 10:47:45 PM |
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mater dont slow photons idiot.
Gravity changes its direction .
it orbits the atom and reacts with the electron .
The combined mass cant change speed and cant all be in the orbit so some
energy changes directions at the lobe point of the orbit.
The energy that changed directins is the photon re -ejected with energy
lost.
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| User: "T Wake" |
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22 Oct 2005 06:11:07 PM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:8383-4359B661-437@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net...
mater dont slow photons idiot.
I didn't know you spoke latin. You are a fool.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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22 Oct 2005 09:58:50 PM |
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Light leves matter because it cant speed up.
The center of mass and the center of gravity in the atom are not the
same point in a energy gradiant causedby gravity or emf wave .
The emf wave and orbit timming will push the electron or push against
it .
If when the electron orbits , it allso rides a wave then the orbit will
be positive and push the orbit out changing the center of G moving the
atom . Or the electron can slam into the wave and change the orbit
shape neg and push the atom the other way.
The photon wount make any G center changes because it orbits the atom
and is not enouph mass .
When G does change then the electron can only change orbits or orbit
shapes.
Change the orbit shape then not all the mass may change directions and
remain in orbit.
Change orbits and not all the energy may change orbits and can speed up
so it changes direction as ejected mass.
The photon falls into orbit as a mass .
It reacts as a wavical and is identical to the sum of all its qualities
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DARK ENERGY is the photons from outside te visible universe at c with
no wavelength.
If you went fast enouph you could see outside the hubble constant .
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| User: "T Wake" |
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23 Oct 2005 09:09:07 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5606-435AFC6A-572@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
Light leves matter because it cant speed up.
Hehehehe. You are full of pearls of wisdom like this arent you.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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23 Oct 2005 06:00:19 PM |
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In sci.physics, T Wake
<taswakeAt@hotmail.com>
wrote
on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:09:07 +0100
<HqydnZ7Do5wQBMbeRVnytA@pipex.net>:
"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:5606-435AFC6A-572@storefull-3215.bay.webtv.net...
Light leves matter because it cant speed up.
Hehehehe. You are full of pearls of wisdom like this arent you.
He's full of ... something. :-P For example, the maximum amount
of power one can get out of a 500 mpg engine can be easily calculated,
assuming 121 MJ/gallon and 30 m/s = 67.11 mph. 500 miles = 804672 m.
Trip travel time is therefore 28622.4 seconds (almost 8 hours).
Power is 121 MJ / 28622.4 = 4227 W.
I think my Saturn has more power than that. :-P :-) Never mind
whether he's using standard air intake, a compressor, a turbocharger,
a supercharger, an NO2 booster bottle, an O2 bottle, a supplementary
battery system (e.g., Prius, Insight), etc.
Now, one could supplement the fuel with something brown and runny,
but I doubt it would run all that well... (ew... :-P)
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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23 Oct 2005 07:52:48 PM |
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3x20 inch stroke from 10 inch intake .
450 deg Fwater .
gas air o2 at 2400 deg F into 10:1 compresion is 850 psi .
The rotor wount let the water out any faster .
The sliding vane blocks the flow as it runs over the cam wheel inside
the sv rotor .
The rotor is 24 inch x 1 or 2 inch .
use the 24 x 1 ..
850 psi at 12 inch R at 500 rpm 48-55 hp.
600 inches of intake gas air o2 PM.
ballanced gas air steam o2 .
when your car is just gas air.
Your car cant handle rocket fuel .
rocket fuel is a tourch 2400 deg and will melt steel . The same amount
of gas burnt hotter and quicker heats the air in the chamber more
and the air is steam not just intake air.
ALL gas neads to do is keep the water hot .
DO the HONEST math Ghost.
dont lie to your self just because you hate me.
(((((((( If your cars crank is 2 inches then what is R ))))))))) its not
2 inches .
The idiots book says its 2 inches .
at 10 deg turn its 1/8 inch at 20 deg its 1/4 inch at 30 its 3/8 ONLY at
90 deg is it 2 inch R.
the crank cant compete with a sliding vane rotor . Its allways 12 inch
R .
You must not want a better engine .
1 million miles garentee .
WHAT AUTO MAKER has 100,000,000 parts from hydra-engines ?
it will blow your fucking minds if I posted the reality. name that
auto maker and why have you never herd of the auto maker ??
Post a pic of that auto makers cars !!!
35000 workers world wide and you never herd of it ??
why not ??
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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23 Oct 2005 08:25:09 PM |
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briliance auto maker.
Have you driven a BRILLIANCE yet ??
Nope ,,youhave never seen a Brilliance modle .
fortune 500 owned auto maker .
you better look te ***** out GM .
LPE is going to come out with 10 million LPE cars and it will end the
oil age as you knew it and take the elecric co with it.
shure whats under the hood is top secret.
the plant cost ,,ah ,,4 billion bucks .
Its no small plant . In fact its a giant plant and parts are made
world wide .
bend over DOE and GOV .
LPE whale 8 under this hood and it gets unreal MPG and wount wear out
ever.
The car is $ 5000 and is nicer then your $30,000 gas hogs and will blow
thier doors off.
When you do know so will GM Honda and evryone else . But thats TOO
late !!!
I would have biult them in detroit but can wait to buy MG and Ford out
after their all broke.
DOE and BUSH dont want the oil age to end . So I went to china .
Im comming back with 10 million engines.
100 million world wide the first 5 years.
thats how long it will take evryone else to write the engine controle
programs .
LPE is a simple engine but balanced gas air steam is not simple at all
to controle.
This should scare the ***** out of you.
Brilliance Auto Splendor
Address:http://www.infomotori.com/a_736_IT_15129_2.html Changed:8:14 PM
on Saturday, October 22, 2005
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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23 Oct 2005 09:00:57 PM |
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The water rocket with gas air mix and o2 boost beet a jet ski 29 to 1.
or was t 26 ?
for evry 1 gallon gas the waterrocket used the jet ski used 29 gallons
gas.
The water rocket 1000 pound thrust vrs a 145 hp jet ski 1000 pound
thrust.
the jet ski must run at 7000 rpm to produce 1000 pounds.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What is it about matter that slows light? |
23 Oct 2005 07:27:54 PM |
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48 HP 516 MPG
277 HP 218 MPG
138 HP engine .
ITS twin cylinders 3x30 and a 24 inch rotor with sliding vanes .
1 second stroke drives the rotor at 500 rpm with 500 foot pounds .
oxgen boostd 2 cycle gas engine with wter as the pistons .
THE water runs at 450 deg F and o2 direct injection at tdc will drive
the engine wile the gasoline maintains the heat .
It stars up as a gas 2 stroke ice with o2 fuel boost but will be a
steam engine with o2 boost and gas is the heat going in to maintain the
boil.
The water rocket internal combuson engine is the first engine and has
no rotor nor pistons .
The only engine bette then the water rocket engine is the sliding vane
V twin.
water pistons at 60 rpm run on compressed air gas and o2 ( rocket
fuel is 10 times better then just gas .
it can slide out 2 inches of vane for 1000 foot pounds with less then
200 rpm rotor speed.
IT changes its displacement by changing the amount of intake so this
engine is a veritable size engine .
Ghost has been silent after he saw a pic of a water rocket after his
insane crackpot brainless math said a water rocket wount work.
a piston engine intake stroke in inches ..
8000 inches PM vrs a lpe 600 inches pm .
8000 inches PM at 500 deg F .............
or 600 inches PM O2 boost 2400 deg F .
My compresion is 145 psi from a small pre dentnation tube inside the
cylinder.
Ghost picked a method and did the wrong math .
Im not using a crank and solid piston .
Im not using a gas turbine .
Im not using a candle .
YOU cant use the math from a V8 engine on the lpe. V8 has no liquid
oxygen gas rocket fuel nor will the pistons boil .
The water is 450 deg ,,at 451 it neads no gasoline ,,but just o2 at tdc
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Your not doing the math on the heat you waist are you ?
Your brainwashed into thinking Im wrong.
You hate me because you dont understand me.
You dont understand te engine or your a lier.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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23 Oct 2005 11:00:08 PM |
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In sci.physics, tj Frazir
<GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
wrote
on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:27:54 -0400
<20737-435C2A8A-104@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net>:
48 HP 516 MPG
You're off by a factor of 8, methinks. How the hell are you going
to get more energy out of a gallon of gas than what's put in,
chemically?
Unless your motor's part fusion reactor, in which case
it sucks from an efficiency standpoint; a gallon of
gas is about 2.72 kg, which translates into 23.86 moles
(assuming pure octane), or 2.588 * 10^26 hydrogen atoms.
That's 2.592 * 10^14 J, or 7.199 * 10^7 kWh, assuming one
can get 25 MeV from fusing 4 protons together.
That's about the amount of electrical energy consumed every
10 minutes in the US, on average.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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24 Oct 2005 07:44:03 AM |
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:ol0u23-5qt.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
| In sci.physics, tj Frazir
| <GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
| wrote
| on Sun, 23 Oct 2005 20:27:54 -0400
| <20737-435C2A8A-104@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net>:
| > 48 HP 516 MPG
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| You're off by a factor of 8, methinks. How the hell are you going
| to get more energy out of a gallon of gas than what's put in,
| chemically?
You are off by whatever factor you select, methinks:
gamma Desired velocity
1 0.000000000000000
10 0.994987437106620
100 0.999949998749938
1000 0.999999499999875
10000 0.999999995000000
100000 0.999999999950000
1000000 0.999999999999500
10000000 0.999999999999995
How are you going to get more energy of a sub-atomic particle
than what's put in, physically?
| Unless your motor's part fusion reactor, in which case
| it sucks from an efficiency standpoint;
Fusion reactors are inefficient? I didn't know anyone had built one.
There was a lot of hoohah about cold fusion, experiments are
being conducted with Tokamaks, but I've seen no data on
efficiency.
http://www.csee.usf.edu/~agage/amgtorus.html
[crunch]
Androcles.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What is it about matter that slows light? |
24 Oct 2005 10:42:16 AM |
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Ghost said if O2 went in his car it would have 5 times the PH ..true BUT
WHERE IS THE STEAM .. the water is 450 deg F .
What is 10 bars of steam direct injected with o2 ?
Then your crank is 2 inch with a R average of 1 inch !! The rotor
slding vane is 12 inch R at 500 rpm wile the water pistons run at 60 -
100 rpm.
IM NOT using the intake air gas mix in a V8 engine ..the same gas air
is going in a 3x30 inch cylinder with 10 inch intake .
The gas and o2 are direct injected at tdc.
10 bars at 850-500 psi .
Its a steam engine AND a 2 cycle gas air o2 boosted engine ..
YOU said your car would be 5 times the HP on gas and o2 boost ,
NOW what about the steam engine ??
Your dealing with 1/2 the engine and ignoring the water is 450 deg F
and cold air and steam and o2 boost is more HP then the gas air o2.
FORGET the rotor ,,
3x30 inch cylinder with 2 inches of air injected to 145 psi then gas and
o2 direct injection .
a internal combuston water rocket.
Dont let the water out the 1 inch hole and block the flow with a 1 inch
sliding vane to limit the flow rate .
500 lbs at 12 inch r at 500 rpm.
a 3x3 inch piston engine at 7000 rpm 20 hp has 6000 inches of intake
per min.
The 48 hp LPE used 600 inches intake pm.
The LPE used o2 ,,the old engine cant or it will melt .
gas air is 500 deg F but gas air o2 is 2400 deg F .
YOUR math is consistantly wrong Ghost.
You suck at math becaueyou allways do the wrong math .
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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24 Oct 2005 11:00:05 PM |
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In sci.physics, tj Frazir
<GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
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on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:42:16 -0400
<8383-435D00D8-854@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>:
Ghost said if O2 went in his car it would have 5 times the PH ..true BUT
WHERE IS THE STEAM .. the water is 450 deg F .
What heats the steam?
What is 10 bars of steam direct injected with o2 ?
A whole lot of energy. Again, how does one create
10 bar-pressure steam?
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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25 Oct 2005 06:25:14 AM |
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:r6k033-1hi.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
| In sci.physics, tj Frazir
| <GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
| wrote
| on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:42:16 -0400
| <8383-435D00D8-854@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>:
| > Ghost said if O2 went in his car it would have 5 times the PH ..true
BUT
| > WHERE IS THE STEAM .. the water is 450 deg F .
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| What heats the steam?
tj's fusion reactor of course, the one YOU claim he built.
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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25 Oct 2005 09:00:04 AM |
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In sci.physics, Androcles
<Androcles@MyPlace.org>
wrote
on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:25:14 GMT
<uCo7f.182229$RW.66433@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:r6k033-1hi.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
| In sci.physics, tj Frazir
| <GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
| wrote
| on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:42:16 -0400
| <8383-435D00D8-854@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>:
| > Ghost said if O2 went in his car it would have 5 times the PH ..true
BUT
| > WHERE IS THE STEAM .. the water is 450 deg F .
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| What heats the steam?
tj's fusion reactor of course, the one YOU claim he built.
Perhaps you can calculate the HP in a standard 500 mpg engine
running at 67.1 mph and get back to me? :-P
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| User: "Androcles Androcles@ MyPlace.org" |
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25 Oct 2005 10:26:54 AM |
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"The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
message news:qcp133-7ru.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
| In sci.physics, Androcles
| <Androcles@MyPlace.org>
| wrote
| on Tue, 25 Oct 2005 11:25:14 GMT
| <uCo7f.182229$RW.66433@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk>:
| >
| > "The Ghost In The Machine" <ewill@sirius.tg00suus7038.net> wrote in
| > message news:r6k033-1hi.ln1@sirius.tg00suus7038.net...
| > | In sci.physics, tj Frazir
| > | <GravityPhysics@webtv.net>
| > | wrote
| > | on Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:42:16 -0400
| > | <8383-435D00D8-854@storefull-3218.bay.webtv.net>:
| > | > Ghost said if O2 went in his car it would have 5 times the PH
...true
| > BUT
| > | > WHERE IS THE STEAM .. the water is 450 deg F .
| > |
| > | What heats the steam?
| >
| > tj's fusion reactor of course, the one YOU claim he built.
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| Perhaps you can calculate the HP in a standard 500 mpg engine
| running at 67.1 mph and get back to me? :-P
Not until you calculate the speed of the Earth in the frame of
the cosmic muon, and its energy in TeV. Otherwise I'll have to
conclude you are a phuckwit, not just a dimwit.
Androcles.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What is it about matter that slows light? |
25 Oct 2005 10:28:20 AM |
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48 hp at 60 mph.
NOW you are trying to evade te queston.
YOUR own words ...........................
o2 in your car would have 5 times the HP.
Now why did you say that ??????????????
thats because the compressed air was heated to 2400 deg F and not 500
deg F.
Then you want to know where the 10 bars came from !! the compresion
stoke idiot.
YOU like a jackass wount compair the rotor against the crank .
YOU wount do the math on the engine .
you wount compair 6000 inches of intake against 600 inches inthe lpe.
You will just do somthing retared like not put the o2 in the mix.
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What Ghost slipped and busted his ***** |
25 Oct 2005 12:47:02 PM |
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Ghost your fusion car melted when you said o2 gave it 5 times the HP.
What the ***** were you thinking when you said that ?
You were hopping the other ***** wipes would follow you to hell ?
USA FUCKING SUCKS. ARE you proud of usa ??
nigers must sit at the back of te bus.
Pot is outlawed to get rid of the spicks.
Pot will kill you and one drag is your death .
USA wants evryone thats not a white rich scum sucker dead.
Protect the jobs by closing the trade doors and letting monopolies
run your country into depresion.
Lie ot the ***** its te american way of life.
Barrow 10 trillion from china and let the poor pay for it.
USA is a fassis fraud ..in 4 states its against the law for maried
people to use condoms.
The long arm of the law can arrest you if you use a condom .
NO wounder usa is so fucked up.
ARE you proud to be a fucked up american ?
USA faked the moon .
Are you proud the Gov rips you off ?
Are you proud Bush is a crook ?
Are you proud the city can take your house if a developer wants to biuld
a mall ?
Are you proud the Gov has taken your rights away for your protection ?
What parts of USA are you proud of ?
Burning crosses ?
maybe your proud of not knowing the truth.
maybe your proud of the usa war against its poor. Maybe your proud of
discrimation at evry workplace.
Maybe your proud of liing out the ***** about other countries .
Maybe your a proud american .
I just want to know just what the ***** your proud of ?
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What Ghost ran away as allways |
25 Oct 2005 10:49:35 PM |
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Re: What Ghost slipped and busted his *****
Group: sci.physics Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 1:47pm From:
GravityPhysics@webtv.net (tj=A0Frazir)
Ghost your fusion car melted when you said o2 gave it 5 times the HP.
What the ***** were you thinking when you said that ?
=A0=A0You were hopping the other ***** wipes would follow you to hell ?
=A0=A0USA FUCKING SUCKS. ARE you proud of usa ?? nigers must sit at the
back of te bus.
=A0=A0Pot is outlawed to get rid of the spicks. Pot will kill you and
one drag is your death . USA wants evryone thats not a white rich scum
sucker dead.
=A0=A0Protect the jobs by closing the trade doors and letting monopolies
run your country into depresion.
=A0=A0=A0=A0Lie ot the ***** its te american way of life. Barrow 10
trillion from china and let the poor pay for it.
=A0=A0USA is a fassis fraud ..in 4 states its against the law for maried
people to use condoms.
=A0=A0The long arm of the law can arrest you if you use a condom . NO
wounder usa is so fucked up.
ARE you proud to be a fucked up american ? USA faked the moon .
Are you proud the Gov rips you off ?
Are you proud Bush is a crook ?
Are you proud the city can take your house if a developer wants to biuld
a mall ?
=A0=A0Are you proud the Gov has taken your rights away for your
protection ?
=A0=A0What parts of USA are you proud of ?
Burning crosses ?
maybe your proud of not knowing the truth.
=A0maybe your proud of the usa war against its poor. =A0 Maybe your
proud of
discrimation at evry workplace.
=A0=A0=A0=A0Maybe your proud of liing out the ***** about other countries
Maybe your a proud american .
I just want to know just what the ***** your proud of ?
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| User: "T Wake" |
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| Title: Re: What Ghost ran away as allways |
26 Oct 2005 11:29:09 AM |
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"tj Frazir" <GravityPhysics@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:20736-435EFCCF-954@storefull-3216.bay.webtv.net...
USA faked the moon .
Ignoring you semi-coherent gibberish for a while. I very much doubt the US
has faked the existence of a big thing I see out of my window every night.
However, some one has faked the existence of an 8 foot tall
billionaire......
Interesting how your spelling errors aren't even consistent. Don't get me
started on how inaccurate your mathematics is............
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| User: "tj Frazir" |
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| Title: Re: What Ghost ran away as allways |
25 Oct 2005 10:50:16 PM |
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Re: What Ghost slipped and busted his *****
Group: sci.physics Date: Tue, Oct 25, 2005, 1:47pm From:
GravityPhysics@webtv.net (tj=A0Frazir)
Ghost your fusion car melted when you said o2 gave it 5 times the HP.
What the ***** were you thinking when you said that ?
=A0=A0You were hopping the other ***** wipes would follow you to hell ?
=A0=A0USA FUCKING SUCKS. ARE you proud of usa ?? nigers must sit at the
back of te bus.
=A0=A0Pot is outlawed to get rid of the spicks. Pot will kill you and
one drag is your death . USA wants evryone thats not a white rich scum
sucker dead.
=A0=A0Protect the jobs by closing the trade doors and letting monopolies
run your country into depresion.
=A0=A0=A0=A0Lie ot the ***** its te american way of life. Barrow 10
trillion from china and let the poor pay for it.
=A0=A0USA is a fassis fraud ..in 4 states its against the law for maried
people to use condoms.
=A0=A0The long arm of the law can arrest you if you use a condom . NO
wounder usa is so fucked up.
ARE you proud to be a fucked up american ? USA faked the moon .
Are you proud the Gov rips you off ?
Are you proud Bush is a crook ?
Are you proud the city can take your house if a developer wants to biuld
a mall ?
=A0=A0Are you proud the Gov has taken your rights away for your
protection ?
=A0=A0What parts of USA are you proud of ?
Burning crosses ?
maybe your proud of not knowing the truth.
=A0maybe your proud of the usa war against its poor. =A0 Maybe your
proud of
discrimation at evry workplace.
=A0=A0=A0=A0Maybe your proud of liing out the ***** about other countries
Maybe your a proud american .
I just want to know just what the ***** your proud of ?
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