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Topic: Science > Physics
User: "becoming a god"
Date: 23 Mar 2005 07:37:43 PM
Object: what the deal with big bang
thermodynamics
state that you cannot create energy that it only change from
one form to another.
so if E=MC2 THEN IF YOU CAN'T CREATE ENERGY THEN HOW
DOES MATTER GET CREATED THEN?
because if matter is another form of energy then you cannot
create matter because of thermodunamics
so what with the big bang it state that at the beginning
huge amount of energy formed but from what since energy is
matter and you cant create energy then where did the energy come
from?
and also why did energy form matter wouldt it mean that the amount
of energy would be propertional to the mass sience the universe is
expanding then would that mean at the end matter will convert back
to energy and why does energy form matter?
why is a electron negtive when the atom got created wouldnt
it fall back into the atom because it negitve and that the atom would
be large anoth to contain it?
does this mean atom form first all that wrong?
the string theory does not anwser such question it
compansate with other dimension to fit this wrong and this sound
stupid it says string ar the smallest thing wouldnt a dot be smaller?
what happen when the universe is gone where the energy
GO? thermodynamics cannot destroy energy?
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User: "Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com"

Title: Re: what the deal with big bang 23 Mar 2005 08:13:00 PM

thermodynamics

state that you cannot create energy that it only change from
one form to another.
so if E=MC2 THEN IF YOU CAN'T CREATE ENERGY THEN HOW
DOES MATTER GET CREATED THEN?
because if matter is another form of energy then you cannot
create matter because of thermodunamics
so what with the big bang it state that at the beginning
huge amount of energy formed but from what since energy is
matter and you cant create energy then where did the energy come
from? >>
COMMENT:
There are really two possible answers to this.
The first is that the first law of thermodynamics may apply locally in
the universe evolving in time, but may not necessarily apply to the
universe as a whole. Especially since we're talking about an event
which was, in a sense, outside of time. Normal "laws" don't have to
apply.
Second, even if the first law still applies to the creation of the
universe, it may well be that the total energy of the universe is zero.
Matter is positive energy, and the gravitational field that binds it
all together represents negative energy. If they are equal, then the
matter simply represents the gravitatational work it took to create it.
The universe may be a quantum flucutation around a zero point of
energy. As Guth says, the "universe might just be one of those things
that happen from time to time."
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User: "Keith F. Lynch"

Title: Re: what the deal with big bang 25 Mar 2005 08:28:25 PM
Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com <sbharris@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

The universe may be a quantum flucutation around a zero point
of energy.

That's a rather disturbing thought, since it implies that my life
expectancy is less than a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth
of a trillionth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a nanosecond.
Is there some exercise I can do, or some nutritional supplement I can
take, to increase my life exp... Argh!
NO CARRIER
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User: "Uncle Al"

Title: Re: what the deal with big bang 23 Mar 2005 08:23:51 PM
becoming a god wrote:


thermodynamics
state that you cannot create energy that it only change from
one form to another.

1) Idiot - Noether's theorem and homogeneity of time
2) Idiot - boundary conditions
3) Illya Prigogine and non-equilibrium thermodynamics
4) Idiot - quantum zero-point fluctuations. You're within one.

so if E=MC2 THEN IF YOU CAN'T CREATE ENERGY THEN HOW
DOES MATTER GET CREATED THEN?

Yer stooopid.
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User: "Bjoern Feuerbacher"

Title: Re: what the deal with big bang 26 Mar 2005 03:12:03 AM
becoming a god wrote:

thermodynamics
state that you cannot create energy that it only change from
one form to another.

Indeed. So what? What makes you think that the laws of thermodynamics,
which were after all derived from physics we can observe right here on
the earth, in our time
1) are valid even on large, cosmological scales?
2) were valid even already in the very first moments of the universe?
You might try reading this:
<http://www.physics.adelaide.edu.au/~dkoks/Faq/Relativity/GR/energy_gr.html>

so if E=MC2 THEN IF YOU CAN'T CREATE ENERGY THEN HOW
DOES MATTER GET CREATED THEN?

Huh? Where, exactly, do you see the problem???

because if matter is another form of energy then you cannot
create matter because of thermodunamics

Sorry, you contradict yourself here. Creating matter from energy does
in no
way contradict thermodynamics, since, as you yourself said, matter is
just another form of energy!

so what with the big bang it state that at the beginning
huge amount of energy formed

It doesn't state that. Try again.

but from what since energy is matter

No, energy is not matter. Matter is a form of energy.

and you cant create energy then where did the energy come
from?

and also why did energy form matter wouldt it mean that the amount
of energy would be propertional to the mass

No.

sience the universe is
expanding then would that mean at the end matter will convert back
to energy

No.

and why does energy form matter?

Due to the laws of QED. Why the laws of nature take this form?
Nobody knows.

why is a electron negtive

If you talk about the charge of the electron, that is negative by
definition simply. We could equally well call it positive and the
charge of the proton negative.

when the atom got created wouldnt
it fall back into the atom because it negitve

Huh??? Sorry, this is totally incomprehensible.

and that the atom would be large anoth to contain it?

And that too.

does this mean atom form first all that wrong?

And that too.

the string theory does not anwser such question it
compansate with other dimension to fit this wrong

Wrong, try again.

and this sound
stupid it says string ar the smallest thing wouldnt a dot be smaller?

String theory does not say that strings are the smallest things.
Try again.

what happen when the universe is gone

What makes you think the universe *will* ever be "gone"?

where the energy GO? thermodynamics cannot destroy energy?

See above.
[snip]
Bye,
Bjoern
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