Science > Physics > What's inhumane about death by leathal injection for Terri?
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25 Mar 2005 10:02:32 PM |
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What's inhumane about death by leathal injection for Terri? |
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
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| User: "Nick" |
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| Title: Why don't they Kill Her in a humane way? |
26 Mar 2005 03:28:02 PM |
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If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2005 11:22:22 PM |
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Nick wrote:
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
Good question, but it isn't on topic in this group.
So post it somewhere else.
If suicide is illegal, what's the punishment?
John Anderson
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| User: "Nick" |
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26 Mar 2005 08:38:30 PM |
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Morals belong everywhere Mr. anderson
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| User: "" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:03:37 AM |
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Nick wrote:
Morals belong everywhere Mr. anderson
This group is discussing the theory of relativity.
I don't see why the issue that you want to discuss is
relevant to that.
If you think that this issue should be discussed everywhere,
then cross-post it to EVERY discussion group. And see what
the response is.
Learn to use the discussion groups in the way that they are
meant to be used. Don't take some particular group that
you have been posting to and then try to post something
that's off-topic.
If I wanted to discuss euthanasia, I wouldn't do it in this
group.
John Anderson
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| User: "OsherD" |
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26 Mar 2005 09:57:46 PM |
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From Osher Doctorow
John Anderson wrote:
If I wanted to discuss euthanasia, I wouldn't do it in >this group
I thought similarly when I first saw the volume of postings on this
topic, which by the way now cover several threads on sci.physics and
elsewhere. I think that Nick has something relevant too, though, in
indicating that morals apply everywhere. The topic of suicide is a bit
difficult to relate to sci.physics, though, and it is probably a good
idea to focus more on what the relationship if any is. Physics should
be Ethical or moral, so what does euthanasia or suicide have to do with
physics? I notice also that the issues regarding euthanasia and/or
suicide are rather poorly expressed by all sides who introduced or who
early responded to the topic. A physics forum should emphasize clear
definitions, clear statement of issues and alternatives and compare
them, clear logic, clear observation and/or experiment if any, clear
theorems and/or theory, etc.
Is it possible that sci.physics is largely brain-dead?
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "OsherD" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:03:45 AM |
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From Osher Doctorow
Take a look at my sci.physics thread on TOE from Cantor's Transfinite
Arithmetic which is now in the 60s in number of postings for some
surprising relationships of dimensional analysis, and then look at one
of the cited references, Dimensional Analysis in the Biomedical
Sciences, by B. Schepartz (1980), Thomas: Springfield, for a problem
related to suicide which I suppose could be related to this thread.
The problem is to determine the time of death of an apparent suicide
hanging from the neck in a closed room with no draft and
thermostatically controlled heating-cooling system, and to estimate the
time of death from the temperature of the room when found and the
development of rigor and other signs. Dimensional analysis yields a
first order kinetic equation which on integration yields:
1) delta(theta) = exp(-a delta(t))
for t time, theta temperature, and a = k'k-barA/(mb cp) where mb is the
mass of te body and cp its heat capacity and k-bar is a heat loss rate
constant that is the mean of constants for various major pathways of
heat loss weighted for relative contribution to the total. k' is taken
as 1 but is in general a dimensional constant. According to Schepartz
(of a major Northeastern Hospital), forensic pathologists commonly make
enormous simplifications of the above including even a linear
approximation. I don't know how things have changed since then.
This isn't quite relativity, but at least it's physics.
Osher Doctorow
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:03:40 PM |
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Nick wrote:
[snip crap]
FOaD
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:08:30 PM |
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On 26 Mar 2005 13:28:02 -0800, "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
Because the good christians of america are amongst the cruelest people on
Earth.
They love to see people suffer.
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:28:09 PM |
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b@.. wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 13:28:02 -0800, "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
They wouldn't kill an animal like this. Why Terri?
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
Because the good christians of america are amongst the cruelest
people on
Earth.
They love to see people suffer.
The christians? You're a moron.
If they were they would be christian only in name not by nature.
There are plenty of those.
I won't let you blame the people who wish to see her live.
Mitch
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| User: "Quantum Mirror" |
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26 Mar 2005 07:22:14 PM |
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If they were they would be christian only in name not by nature.
There are plenty of those.
Like you are a good example. There were at least two people starved to
death last night in the USA. They were intelligent living thinking
people. Why are you not fighting for them? Because it is not in the
limelight. No fellow christians to see you doing the good deeds for the
church. You would not be able to point to your web posts and say see
what I did. You don't give a dam about Terry and I bet you would
strangle her yourself if you thought it would help the church. You are
as transparent as your fake god. only the feverent belief of your
church can keep your false god alive. In a way your religion and Terry
are a lot alike. Both dead and being kept alive involuntarily.
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| User: "" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:28:09 PM |
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b@.. wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 13:28:02 -0800, "Nick" <macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote:
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
They wouldn't kill an animal like this. Why Terri?
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
Because the good christians of america are amongst the cruelest
people on
Earth.
They love to see people suffer.
The christians? You're a moron.
If they were they would be christian only in name not by nature.
There are plenty of those.
I won't let you blame the people who wish to see her live.
Mitch
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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26 Mar 2005 05:50:23 PM |
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wrote:
[snip crap]
Hey idiot, how may ISPs need we kill you at to shut you up?
FOaD
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Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz.pdf
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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27 Mar 2005 05:03:04 AM |
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On a sunny day (26 Mar 2005 13:28:02 -0800) it happened "Nick"
<macromitch@yahoo.com> wrote in
<1111872482.767883.211090@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>:
If they are gonna kill Terri schiavo why not do it right.
She knows they are killing her.
And suicide is illegal?
Go figure.
See it this way: The world is mad.
Did you see those executions on TV for convicted murders?
FIRST THEY DISINFECT THE ARM then they inject the poison.
The mathematically oriented will perhaps argue that there is a
possibility of contamination in that last 2 seconds, and the
execution was still 2 seconds off...
It shows people are moved largely by 'routine', no real thinking.
No brain needed, just a pre-programmed machine (that could do it).
Same for judges, anybody likely.
Me replying, you posting,,,,
Free will:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/freewill.gif
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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27 Mar 2005 08:47:06 AM |
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See it this way: The world is mad.
Did you see those executions on TV for convicted murders?
FIRST THEY DISINFECT THE ARM then they inject the poison.
There is always the chance of a last minute reprieve.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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27 Mar 2005 11:29:28 AM |
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On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Mar 2005 09:47:06 -0500) it happened "robert j.
kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in <3anvbcF69k83uU4@individual.net>:
See it this way: The world is mad.
Did you see those executions on TV for convicted murders?
FIRST THEY DISINFECT THE ARM then they inject the poison.
There is always the chance of a last minute reprieve.
Bob Kolker
hehe, you mean last second!
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| User: "robert j. kolker" |
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27 Mar 2005 11:53:40 AM |
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Jan Panteltje wrote:
hehe, you mean last second!
Whatever. Since the possibility exists, it makes sense to sterilize the
injection site.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Jan Panteltje" |
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27 Mar 2005 12:04:41 PM |
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On a sunny day (Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:53:40 -0500) it happened "robert j.
kolker" <nowhere@nowhere.net> wrote in <3aoa97F6ana2rU3@individual.net>:
Jan Panteltje wrote:
hehe, you mean last second!
Whatever. Since the possibility exists, it makes sense to sterilize the
injection site.
No, it is wrong.
Logic shows that you should just stick it in and kill.
That leaves ZERO time for your 'possibilitoes'.
Same with firing squads.
You do not desinfect the victim either.
You just kill when the order is given.
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