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Topic:	Science > Physics
User:	"Pentcho Valev"
Date:	05 Apr 2007 01:08:57 AM
Object:	WHEN THE SPEED OF LIGHT VARIES WITH THE GRAVITATIONAL POTENTIAL

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0486406768/002-5215696-6072004
Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la
Science, Paris, 1999, p. 169: "Il [Einstein] declara tout simplement
que la vitesse de la lumiere representait l'effet de la gravitation.
La vitesse de la lumiere jouait alors le role de ce que l'on appelle
le potentiel gravitationnel - un simple nombre en chaque point qui,
dans la theorie de Newton, specifie l'intensite des forces
gravitationnelles dans tout l'espace. Cette conception erronee, mais
cependant fructueuse, permit a Einstein d'elargir sa theorie de la
relativite restreinte."
HYPNOTIST: Einstein introduced variable speed of light that played the
role of a gravitational potential!
ZOMBIES: Variable! Variable! Played the role of a gravitational
potential!
HYPNOTIST: That was wrong!
ZOMBIES: Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
A SINGLE ZOMBIE: Wrong in what sense? The speed of light is constant
and independent of the gravitational potential? Variable but cannot
play the role of a gravitational potential? Sorry. Wrong! Wrong!
Wrong!
HYPNOTIST: Wrong but fruitful!
ZOMBIES: Wrong but fruitful! Wrong but fruitful! Wrong but fruitful!
A SINGLE ZOMBIE: Wrong but fruitful? Sorry. Wrong but fruitful! Wrong
but fruitful! Wrong but fruitful!
HYPNOTIST: Wrong, fruitful and allowed Einstein to develop special
relativity!
ZOMBIES: Wrong, fruitful, development! Wrong, fruitful, development!
Wrong, fruitful, development!
A SINGLE ZOMBIE: Wrong fruitful development? Sorry. Wrong, fruitful,
development! Wrong, fruitful, development! Wrong, fruitful,
development!
HYPNOTIST leads ZOMBIES in singing "Divine Einstein":
http://www.bnl.gov/community/Tours/EinsteinPics/Einsteine.jpg
http://www.haverford.edu/physics-astro/songs/divine.htm
http://www.physicstoday.org/vol-58/iss-7/images/devine_einstein.mp3
Both HYPNOTIST and ZOMBIES go into convulsions.
Pentcho Valev
.

User: "Koobee Wublee"
Title: Re: WHEN THE SPEED OF LIGHT VARIES WITH THE GRAVITATIONAL POTENTIAL	05 Apr 2007 02:01:09 AM

On Apr 4, 11:08 pm, "Pentcho Valev" <pva...@yahoo.com> wrote:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/0486406768/002-5215...
Banesh Hoffmann, "La relativite, histoire d'une grande idee", Pour la
Science, Paris, 1999, p. 169: "Il [Einstein] declara tout simplement
que la vitesse de la lumiere representait l'effet de la gravitation.
La vitesse de la lumiere jouait alors le role de ce que l'on appelle
le potentiel gravitationnel - un simple nombre en chaque point qui,
dans la theorie de Newton, specifie l'intensite des forces
gravitationnelles dans tout l'espace. Cette conception erronee, mais
cependant fructueuse, permit a Einstein d'elargir sa theorie de la
relativite restreinte."

This crap about Einstein came up with everything possible under the
sun is totally false.
** The principle of relativity was already discovered by Galileo
several centuries before Einstein.
** Constancy in the speed of light to explain the null result of the
MMX was already proposed by Voigt a generation before Einstein.
** The Lorentz transformation was already published by Larmor at
least 5 to 6 years before Einstein's supposed 1905 papers.
** Relative simultaneity was already proposed by Poincare after
studying the Lorentz transform thoroughly before Einstein's 1905
papers.
** Spacetime was proposed by Minkowski in 1908 with hints from H. G.
Wells at least a decade before.
** The principle of equivalence was already postulated by Galileo.
That formed the basis to Newton's law of gravity. Finally
understanding Newton's law of gravity does not make Einstein
discoverer of the principle of equivalence. <shrug>
** Riemann curvature tensor was already designed by Ricci from his
yet-another creation --- the covariant derivative.
** Ricci tensor was already designed by Ricci's faithful student,
Levi-Civita.
** Ricci scalar was already designed by Hilbert. Correct me if I am
wrong on this one.
** The Lagrangian that serves as the density to the Einstein-Hilbert
action was already cooked up by Hilbert.
** The field equations can only be derived with this Lagrangian. For
two persons to come up with the same Lagrangian is astronomically
small. Hilbert must have derived it with Einstein's plagiarism
following.
** The first solution to the field equations for static spacetime was
derived by Schwarzschild in 1916. It did not resemble the
Schwarzschild metric.
** The Schwarzschild metric as a solution to the field equations was
finally derived by Hilbert at least a year after Schwarzschild's
demise.
So, what was discovered by Einstein? Oh, the Cosmological constant.
Since the field equations were merely a general form of the Poisson
equation, adding this constant is like modifying Newtonian law of
gravity or MOND. The concept of adding a negative energy density to
vacuum is very absurd. First of all, energy is an observer dependent
quantity. Without an observer, it is pointless to talk about energy.
The concept of allowing an observer to decide on the fate of the
universe is so ridiculous unless the observer is God Himself.
Einstein was right for once in his life that the Cosmological constant
(the only original proposal) is the biggest blunder in his life.
<sigh>
.

User: "hanson"
Title: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	06 Apr 2007 10:04:42 PM

"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1175756469.034731.11710@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c7f35f77eb8e7a0

** The principle of relativity was already discovered by Galileo
several centuries before Einstein.

** Constancy in the speed of light to explain the null result of the
MMX was already proposed by Voigt a generation before Einstein.

** The Lorentz transformation was already published by Larmor at
least 5 to 6 years before Einstein's supposed 1905 papers.

** Relative simultaneity was already proposed by Poincare after
studying the Lorentz transform thoroughly before Einstein's 1905
papers.

** Spacetime was proposed by Minkowski in 1908 with hints from H. G.
Wells at least a decade before.

** The principle of equivalence was already postulated by Galileo.
That formed the basis to Newton's law of gravity. Finally
understanding Newton's law of gravity does not make Einstein
discoverer of the principle of equivalence. <shrug>

** Riemann curvature tensor was already designed by Ricci from his
yet-another creation --- the covariant derivative.

** Ricci tensor was already designed by Ricci's faithful student,
Levi-Civita.

** Ricci scalar was already designed by Hilbert. Correct me if I am
wrong on this one.

** The Lagrangian that serves as the density to the Einstein-Hilbert
action was already cooked up by Hilbert.

** The field equations can only be derived with this Lagrangian. For
two persons to come up with the same Lagrangian is astronomically
small. Hilbert must have derived it with Einstein's plagiarism
following.

** The first solution to the field equations for static spacetime was
derived by Schwarzschild in 1916. It did not resemble the
Schwarzschild metric.

** The Schwarzschild metric as a solution to the field equations was
finally derived by Hilbert at least a year after Schwarzschild's
demise.

So, what was discovered by Einstein? Oh, the Cosmological constant.
Since the field equations were merely a general form of the Poisson
equation, adding this constant is like modifying Newtonian law of
gravity or MOND. The concept of adding a negative energy density to
vacuum is very absurd. First of all, energy is an observer dependent
quantity. Without an observer, it is pointless to talk about energy.
The concept of allowing an observer to decide on the fate of the
universe is so ridiculous unless the observer is God Himself.
Einstein was right for once in his life that the Cosmological constant
(the only original proposal) is the biggest blunder in his life.
<sigh>

User: "=?UTF-8?Q?Jeff=E2=80=A6Relf?="
Title: Einstein didn't invent Arabic numerals... Shock !	08 Apr 2007 06:44:44 AM

Hi Hanson and Koobee Wublee,
Einstein didn't invent Arabic numerals either... Shock !
Galileo didn't own a clock or a vacuum, much less know that
the speed of light in an ideal vacuum was invarient.
Newton wasn't exactly playing with atomic clocks either,
defining the meter and the second as periods of a special laser.
What did he know about Planck units ? where c is a unitless 1.
Who proved to the world that photons, atoms
and Bose-Einstein systems ( e.g. atom lasers ) exist ?
It wasn't Galileo.
Galileo wasn't integrating gamma, " ( 1 - v^2 / c^2 )^-.5 ",
in an accerated frame to get equations like
" e = .5 * gamma * m * c^2 ".
Newton wasn't measuring the blue shift of a gravity well
nor the red shift of a centrifugal force.
Comological time is valid in the rest frame of the C.M.B. blackbody,
it's gone from 3,000 kelvin to 3 kelvin in the last 13.7 gigayears.
The energy of the cosmos is being continuously, spontaneously,
irreversibly " spent ", " unuseful ", dissipated.
That's entropy, the second law of thermodynamics.
Lambda-CDM employs G.R., S.R. and Relativistic Quantum Field Theory,
not Newtonian mechanics... Get over it.
.

User: "Dan Drake"
Title: Re: Einstein didn't invent Arabic numerals... Shock !	09 Apr 2007 01:10:21 PM

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 11:44:44 UTC, Jeff…Relf <Jeff_Relf@Yahoo.COM> wrote:

Who proved to the world that photons, atoms
and Bose-Einstein systems ( e.g. atom lasers ) exist ?
It wasn't Galileo.

I suppose I'll dirty my hands (after all, Galileo and Fermi liked getting
their hands dirty in vulgar old laboratories) by getting into one of these
threads. I needn't tell Jeff, but will still note, that people who admire
and understand Galileo's work are not flattered by the attentions of the
anti-Einstein crew. Though to say that one is embarrassed by them would be
to exaggerate their importance.
--
Dan Drake
dd@dandrake.com
http://www.dandrake.com/
porlockjr.blogspot.com
.

User: "Koobee Wublee"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	06 Apr 2007 11:45:30 PM

On Apr 6, 8:04 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

Good post, KW. Thanks, dude. You really cranked the Einstein
Dingleberries with your note.... ahahaha.... I shall take the liberty
to add your items below (with or without credit) to the following linkhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/96c1fde68777bc9f
Happy Easter, KW.
hanson
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"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1175756469.034731.11710@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c7f35f77eb8e7a0

** The principle of relativity was already discovered by Galileo
several centuries before Einstein.

** Constancy in the speed of light to explain the null result of the
MMX was already proposed by Voigt a generation before Einstein.

** The Lorentz transformation was already published by Larmor at
least 5 to 6 years before Einstein's supposed 1905 papers.

** Relative simultaneity was already proposed by Poincare after
studying the Lorentz transform thoroughly before Einstein's 1905
papers.

** Spacetime was proposed by Minkowski in 1908 with hints from H. G.
Wells at least a decade before.

** The principle of equivalence was already postulated by Galileo.
That formed the basis to Newton's law of gravity. Finally
understanding Newton's law of gravity does not make Einstein
discoverer of the principle of equivalence. <shrug>

** Riemann curvature tensor was already designed by Ricci from his
yet-another creation --- the covariant derivative.

** Ricci tensor was already designed by Ricci's faithful student,
Levi-Civita.

** Ricci scalar was already designed by Hilbert. Correct me if I am
wrong on this one.

** The Lagrangian that serves as the density to the Einstein-Hilbert
action was already cooked up by Hilbert.

** The field equations can only be derived with this Lagrangian. For
two persons to come up with the same Lagrangian is astronomically
small. Hilbert must have derived it with Einstein's plagiarism
following.

** The first solution to the field equations for static spacetime was
derived by Schwarzschild in 1916. It did not resemble the
Schwarzschild metric.

** The Schwarzschild metric as a solution to the field equations was
finally derived by Hilbert at least a year after Schwarzschild's
demise.

So, what was discovered by Einstein? Oh, the Cosmological constant.
Since the field equations were merely a general form of the Poisson
equation, adding this constant is like modifying Newtonian law of
gravity or MOND. The concept of adding a negative energy density to
vacuum is very absurd. First of all, energy is an observer dependent
quantity. Without an observer, it is pointless to talk about energy.
The concept of allowing an observer to decide on the fate of the
universe is so ridiculous unless the observer is God Himself.
Einstein was right for once in his life that the Cosmological constant
(the only original proposal) is the biggest blunder in his life.
<sigh>

Thanks. I am glad somebody starts to notice my writings. Happy
Easter to you, too.
.

User: "Androcles"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	07 Apr 2007 06:00:43 AM

"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:1175921130.317702.263970@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 6, 8:04 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

Good post, KW. Thanks, dude. You really cranked the Einstein
Dingleberries with your note.... ahahaha.... I shall take the liberty
to add your items below (with or without credit) to the following =

link
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/96c1fde68777bc9f

Happy Easter, KW.
hanson
----------------------------------

"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote in message

=

news:1175756469.034731.11710@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...http://groups=
..google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/8c7f35f77eb8e7a0

** The principle of relativity was already discovered by Galileo
several centuries before Einstein.

** Constancy in the speed of light to explain the null result of =

the

MMX was already proposed by Voigt a generation before Einstein.

** The Lorentz transformation was already published by Larmor at
least 5 to 6 years before Einstein's supposed 1905 papers.

** Relative simultaneity was already proposed by Poincare after
studying the Lorentz transform thoroughly before Einstein's 1905
papers.

** Spacetime was proposed by Minkowski in 1908 with hints from H. =

Wells at least a decade before.

** Riemann curvature tensor was already designed by Ricci from his
yet-another creation --- the covariant derivative.

** Ricci tensor was already designed by Ricci's faithful student,
Levi-Civita.

** Ricci scalar was already designed by Hilbert. Correct me if I =

wrong on this one.

** The Lagrangian that serves as the density to the =

Einstein-Hilbert

action was already cooked up by Hilbert.

** The field equations can only be derived with this Lagrangian. =

For

two persons to come up with the same Lagrangian is astronomically
small. Hilbert must have derived it with Einstein's plagiarism
following.

** The first solution to the field equations for static spacetime =

was

derived by Schwarzschild in 1916. It did not resemble the
Schwarzschild metric.

** The Schwarzschild metric as a solution to the field equations =

was

finally derived by Hilbert at least a year after Schwarzschild's
demise.

So, what was discovered by Einstein? Oh, the Cosmological =

constant.

Since the field equations were merely a general form of the Poisson
equation, adding this constant is like modifying Newtonian law of
gravity or MOND. The concept of adding a negative energy density =

vacuum is very absurd. First of all, energy is an observer =

dependent

quantity. Without an observer, it is pointless to talk about =

energy.

The concept of allowing an observer to decide on the fate of the
universe is so ridiculous unless the observer is God Himself.
Einstein was right for once in his life that the Cosmological =

constant

(the only original proposal) is the biggest blunder in his life.
<sigh>

=20
Thanks. I am glad somebody starts to notice my writings. Happy
Easter to you, too.

Well, ***** my old boots!
=20
Give the guy credit with a mention on one of my pages=20
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm
and he doesn't bother to say thank you, but tell him happy=20
Sun-day after Paschal full Moon after Equinox and he's delighted.
Look, mate, there are seven planets or wanderers:
Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.
Each is a god and has its own special day, which is why
there are 7 days in a week. Uranus and Neptune don't count,
the ancients didn't discover them with the naked eye; they don't=20
move far enough against the backdrop of the fixed stars in=20
a human lifespan. Then the Sun and Moon got slung out
as planets after Copernicus discovered Galilean relativity,
just as comet Pluto did more recently. The Earth itself is not a=20
planet, it stands on the backs of four elephants which stand on=20
the back of a giant turtle. After that it's turtles all the way down.=20
So we have=20
Neptune or Sun-day
Uranus or Moon-day
Tiwaz or Mars-day (En fran=E7ais: Mar-di, auf deutsch: Diens-tag)
Jupiter, Odin or Woden's-day
Mercury or Thor's-day
Venus or Frigg's-day =20
Saturn's-day
The number one boss God is Jupiter.=20
http://www.mythome.org/nordic.html
There are
Nordic/Teutonic gods
Roman gods
Greek gods
Egyptian gods
Persian gods
Indian gods
Celtic gods ... the list goes on.
They are associated with planets.
Then some Jew came up with idea that these gods were=20
"created" and invented the supergod called Jehovah (Jupiter)
who would get ***** if you worshipped lesser gods,
thus ending clan or tribal rule and establishing a monarchy
and so the twelve tribes of Israel were united.=20
United we stand, divided we fall. The king was god.=20
Mohammed picked up on that, so, "There is no god but god."
The eccentricity of an ellipse was "published" long before Larmor,
it goes back to antiquity.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Eccentricity.html
All Einstein did was substitute v and c for a and b
and then divided by t.
The "Lorentz transform" is nothing more than throwing the
shadow of a dinner plate on a plane surface.
You are all fucked by the mystery of mathematics and the=20
movement of the planets, no wonder astrologers like Einstein
are having a whale of a time.
What I want to know is whether v =3D x/t or xi/tau, and if it makes=20
you all happy then happy Neptune-day after Full Moon after=20
Equinox, whoopee, shrug, fuckin' hell...
.

User: "Koobee Wublee"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	07 Apr 2007 10:58:28 PM

On Apr 7, 4:00 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk>
wrote:

Give the guy credit with a mention on one of my pages
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm
and he doesn't bother to say thank you, but tell him happy
Sun-day after Paschal full Moon after Equinox and he's delighted.

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson. Normally, I would
not even respond. In the past, I have proudly quoted your write-up
about GPS for numerous times. I do thank you for that if it makes you
feel better. I also am very fond of your answer to Professor Andersen
about falling in gravity not feeling the pull of gravitational force.
You don't feel a force pulling on you because every part of your body
is accelerating at the same time. That shut the professor up. You
should be proud of that one too.
.

User: "Androcles"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	08 Apr 2007 03:51:13 AM

"Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 7, 4:00 am, "Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk>
wrote:
=20

=20
I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson. Normally, I would
not even respond. In the past, I have proudly quoted your write-up
about GPS for numerous times. I do thank you for that if it makes you
feel better. I also am very fond of your answer to Professor Andersen
about falling in gravity not feeling the pull of gravitational force.
You don't feel a force pulling on you because every part of your body
is accelerating at the same time. That shut the professor up. You
should be proud of that one too.

I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure
you I have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a =
response.
Like Canute, I know I cannot turn back the tide of stupidity that
assaults the shores of these newsgroups and the internet incessantly=20
anymore than you or hanson can, but it would be rather nice if some=20
of us stood a little higher up the beach and had our own party instead
of getting our feet wet all the time.=20
Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with.=20
What I want to know, old chap, is what makes distant galaxies
look as if they are moving away; I'm not satisfied with any answer
I've seen, including my own, and I'm not interested in crackpottery
but reasoned conjecture opened for discussion.
In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and explanation =
- aka science.
.

User: "hanson"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	08 Apr 2007 04:12:43 PM

"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.
Normally, I would not even respond.

[hanson]
ahahaha... how flattering, KB!. Thanks, dude and be grateful to
realize that "ahahahahaha" has put you into "the right mood"....
Try it yourself. It's magic... ahahahaha... like in Jubilee-Wubilee.

[KB]

In the past, I have proudly quoted your write-up about GPS
for numerous times. I do thank you for that if it makes you feel
better. I also am very fond of your answer to Professor Andersen
about falling in gravity not feeling the pull of gravitational force.
You don't feel a force pulling on you because every part of your
body is accelerating at the same time. That shut the professor up.
You should be proud of that one too.

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

Like Canute, I know I cannot turn back the tide of stupidity that
assaults the shores of these newsgroups and the internet incessantly
anymore than you or hanson can, but it would be rather nice if some
of us stood a little higher up the beach and had our own party instead
of getting our feet wet all the time. [1]

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

What I want to know, old chap, is what makes distant galaxies
look as if they are moving away; I'm not satisfied with any answer
I've seen, including my own, and I'm not interested in crackpottery
but reasoned conjecture opened for discussion. [3]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

[hanson]
[1] ahahaha... but I like wet feet and jump up and down in the
puddles and splash to the anger of the onlookers. I don't know
whether stupidity has really much to do with any talent... and
sadly, answers by committee bring always only the lowest
denominator [2] as a solution... But [1] & [2] are always funny.

But looking for "reasoned discussions" [3]... ahahaha...
forget that, Andro. There are "reasoned discussions" in
sci.phys.reasearch... which of course are only reasonable
as long as you tow the moderators' own Weltbild...

But here in these freewheeling NGs most people come
here for diversion and to strut their ken, a few ex-school
teachers make it into their class room, a few students come
here for having their homework done, a few undergrads
come here to regurgitate what they have read in a book
and brag with it without understanding it since they have
not experienced the real world yet... all of which results
unavoidably that posters simply state their own opinion,
regardless of whether it pertains to the issue supposedly
being discussed or not... ahaha.... which is of course funny!...

I poked at that general MO a couple of times when I asked in
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/20bc11d9df6ba6ec
for a calculation to apply Maxwell's curls to some real world
calculations. **None** of the loud mouths who always swing
around with their relativity, tensors, difs, curls & matrices
and other highfaluting buzz words and pontifications have
dared to touch it. You were they only one who responded
and gave an honest opinion. NOT surprisingly nobody saw
fit to say that in the real world Maxwell curls may refer to the
number of windings in solenoids and alike gismos carrying
the units of Ampere-turns (Gilberts), which is of course funny!

.... especially since Maxwell's equat's do NOT have any influence
on/in the development of EE or Electronics... except AFTER
any *fait accompli*, in the "report" to the sales department, to
sell the stuff that was discovered by serendipity and/or engineered
by (step-test-step)x ... ahahaha.... Very much like relativity that is
not needed with/by and for GPS... Check Ashby's Relativity song
which the NG Einstein-Dinglenerries always love to cite.
Ashby himself says in it after 39 equations (!... ahahaha) :
"The net correction for clock offset due to relativistic effects that
vary in time is "Delta t = + 4.4428*10^(-10)*e* sqrt...etc " ... (39)
and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t = + 2 r * v / c^2 ... (40)
where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in implementations
of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Your wish in [4] to "get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs,
cosmological constants" is a call into the universe without an
echo. I suspect that the incessant relativity ***** [4] is regurgitated,
spewed out, and re-eaten ad nausea because it is **save **
to promote it, since it is a matter of belief/s, of conjectures and
opinions, just like religion is, ... for even physics is in the final
analysis also only a social enterprise, which is of course funny!...

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

PS: Louis Savain has recently made an astonishingly honest
announcement: Him thanking religion for his insights!...
Although my credo is governed by my own 5 true paths to
my own heaven: Heresy, Blasphemy, Sacrilege, Irreverence
and Profanity; in any convenient sequence, *****! yeah!.....
I really respect & value Louis's stance for it shows where he's
coming from. I shall respond to him when fancy strikes me.
Thanks, Louis.
.

User: "Androcles"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	08 Apr 2007 05:39:21 PM

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"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.
Normally, I would not even respond.

[KB]

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

Yeah, me too, it is a little light relief from the serious business
of science and I'm not saying don't have fun, but all play and=20
no work makes Jack a bright boy.=20

Those fuckheads are power hungry, the moron Charles Francis, Ph.D. =
(Cambridge) is a moderator.=20
He cannot moderate me and he doesn't know how to use a minus sign.
=
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/sci.physics.relativity/browse_thread/thr=
ead/293b66d6a061fd56/095c0bbb93787499?lnk=3Dst&q=3D&rnum=3D2&hl=3Den#095c=
0bbb93787499
(6 Sept 2001)
I expect he got his Ph.D. from Professor S. Hawking, whom I pissed=20
off by offering him a beer while he was poaching at Sussex U. for=20
students. Hawking could talk back then, but he was *****-whipped
and his old lady wheeled his gurney away. She was not offered a=20
beer first, I suppose. Oh well...

I agree whole-heartedly, that's exactly how it is... but how
do you find someone that can really think?=20
"I wish, my dear Kepler, that we could have a good laugh together at the =
extraordinary stupidity of the mob. What do you think of the foremost =
philosophers of this University? In spite of my oft-repeated efforts and =
invitations, they have refused, with the obstinacy of a glutted adder, =
to look at the planets or Moon or my telescope." - Galileo
He had the same problem. Glutted adders the lot of them.
=20

It's the short hairs that have curls and "comoving", that's what they=20
think about. But don't say "*****" to them, that's a naughty word.
I reckon the hair is there to allow sweat to make use of capilliary=20
action and keep your balls cool, and it curls to provide a coconut
matting to avoid skin/skin friction while fucking, "IMHO".
I mean, really, who gives a flying ***** about opinion, however honest?
It's what you can *prove* that matters. The dork J.C. Maxwell believed
in aether. He was proven wrong by experiment. Awe... *****. Start
over, Maxwell. Close but no cigar. The first things to throw out
are the permeability and permittivity of aether, mu0 and epsilon0.

(39)

and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t =3D + 2 r * v / c^2 ... =

(40)

where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in =

implementations

of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Everything should be as psychotic as possible, but not simpler. --Albert =
Einstein 1879 - 1955

Your wish in [4] to "get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs,
cosmological constants" is a call into the universe without an
echo. I suspect that the incessant relativity ***** [4] is =

regurgitated,

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

But you have a brain, and so does KW. Use it.

Then "Traveler" is invited into the fold. I pissed him off, he tried=20
to ***** me off, I *****-canned him because I couldn't be bothered.=20
No real harm done, just offer a united front against fuckheads in
general.
All play and no work makes Jack a bright boy - but still a boy.
.

User: "NoEinstein"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	10 Apr 2007 03:46:18 PM

On Apr 8, 5:12 pm, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message

news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "KoobeeWublee" <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.

Normally, I would not even respond.

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

Like Canute, I know I cannot turn back the tide of stupidity that
assaults the shores of these newsgroups and the internet incessantly
anymore than you or hanson can, but it would be rather nice if some
of us stood a little higher up the beach and had our own party instead
of getting our feet wet all the time. [1]

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

What I want to know, old chap, is what makes distant galaxies
look as if they are moving away; I'm not satisfied with any answer
I've seen, including my own, and I'm not interested in crackpottery
but reasoned conjecture opened for discussion. [3]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

[hanson]
[1] ahahaha... but I like wet feet and jump up and down in the
puddles and splash to the anger of the onlookers. I don't know
whether stupidity has really much to do with any talent... and
sadly, answers by committee bring always only the lowest
denominator [2] as a solution... But [1] & [2] are always funny.

But looking for "reasoned discussions" [3]... ahahaha...
forget that, Andro. There are "reasoned discussions" in
sci.phys.reasearch... which of course are only reasonable
as long as you tow the moderators' own Weltbild...

But here in these freewheeling NGs most people come
here for diversion and to strut their ken, a few ex-school
teachers make it into their class room, a few students come
here for having their homework done, a few undergrads
come here to regurgitate what they have read in a book
and brag with it without understanding it since they have
not experienced the real world yet... all of which results
unavoidably that posters simply state their own opinion,
regardless of whether it pertains to the issue supposedly
being discussed or not... ahaha.... which is of course funny!...

I poked at that general MO a couple of times when I asked inhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/20bc11d9df6ba6ec
for a calculation to apply Maxwell's curls to some real world
calculations. **None** of the loud mouths who always swing
around with their relativity, tensors, difs, curls & matrices
and other highfaluting buzz words and pontifications have
dared to touch it. You were they only one who responded
and gave an honest opinion. NOT surprisingly nobody saw
fit to say that in the real world Maxwell curls may refer to the
number of windings in solenoids and alike gismos carrying
the units of Ampere-turns (Gilberts), which is of course funny!

... especially since Maxwell's equat's do NOT have any influence
on/in the development of EE or Electronics... except AFTER
any *fait accompli*, in the "report" to the sales department, to
sell the stuff that was discovered by serendipity and/or engineered
by (step-test-step)x ... ahahaha.... Very much like relativity that is
not needed with/by and for GPS... Check Ashby's Relativity song
which the NG Einstein-Dinglenerries always love to cite.
Ashby himself says in it after 39 equations (!... ahahaha) :
"The net correction for clock offset due to relativistic effects that
vary in time is "Delta t = + 4.4428*10^(-10)*e* sqrt...etc " ... (39)
and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t = + 2 r * v / c^2 ... (40)
where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in implementations
of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Your wish in [4] to "get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs,
cosmological constants" is a call into the universe without an
echo. I suspect that the incessant relativity ***** [4] is regurgitated,
spewed out, and re-eaten ad nausea because it is **save **
to promote it, since it is a matter of belief/s, of conjectures and
opinions, just like religion is, ... for even physics is in the final
analysis also only a social enterprise, which is of course funny!...

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

PS: Louis Savain has recently made an astonishingly honest
announcement: Him thanking religion for his insights!...
Although my credo is governed by my own 5 true paths to
my own heaven: Heresy, Blasphemy, Sacrilege, Irreverence
and Profanity; in any convenient sequence, *****! yeah!.....
I really respect & value Louis's stance for it shows where he's
coming from. I shall respond to him when fancy strikes me.
Thanks, Louis.

Dear Androcles: I know the reason that the more distant galaxies seem
to be moving away faster, and it isn't Doppler effects. I have
designed an expensive optical experiment to prove it. For those who
may be interested, I am selling a technical paper Force of Persuasion
that disproves Coriolis's KE equation on which Einstein based his
theories of relativity-which I, also, have disproved, conclusively!
The article may be purchased by emailing
scienceexamined@bellsouth.net .
My last post, here, got graded by two people with one star; great! It
shows that I rattled-their-timbers enough to make them be defensive.
They couldn't respond to the SUBSTANCE of my post, so they just graded
it. That is like two hotdog-munching spectators in the stands calling-
up the score on the board. In any legitimate game, the score is
determined by the players on the field, not by hotdog-munching couch
potatoes who aren't even in the stadium! Thanks, NoEinstein
.

User: "Tom Potter"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	08 Apr 2007 09:35:50 PM

On Apr 9, 12:12 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message

news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "KoobeeWublee" <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote innews:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.

Normally, I would not even respond.

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message news:fVcSh.
2102$SK3.1518@trnddc03...

"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.
Normally, I would not even respond.

[KB]

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

... especially since Maxwell's equat's do NOT have any influence
on/in the development of EE or Electronics... except AFTER
any *fait accompli*, in the "report" to the sales department, to
sell the stuff that was discovered by serendipity and/or engineered
by (step-test-step)x ... ahahaha.... Very much like relativity that is
not needed with/by and for GPS... Check Ashby's Relativity song
which the NG Einstein-Dinglenerries always love to cite.
Ashby himself says in it after 39 equations (!... ahahaha) :
"The net correction for clock offset due to relativistic effects that
vary in time is "Delta t = + 4.4428*10^(-10)*e* sqrt...etc " ... (39)
and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t = + 2 r * v / c^2 ... (40)
where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in implementations
of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

I was also surprised by Savain's web page:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Seraphim/Physics.htm
as it was uncharacteristic of Savain,
but it may be that he has adopted the strategy of successful
propagandists
and is using the Bible as a hook to get the brainwashed masses and
Jews
to pay attention to his basic Yin-Yang position
that all things arise from nothing.
As most of the Western World has been intensively brainwashed to
have fixed attitudes about the Bible, Relativity, democracy, Hitler,
the German people, Muslims, the holocaust, etc.
a good way to get into the minds of people would be to
reinforce their prejudices at first,
then apply a tangential psychological force
to rotate them into a more rational view of the subject.
Most iconoclasts like hanson, Savain, Androcles, and myself
tend to use a brute force approach
and attack prejudices head-on.
This tends to generate a lot of heat and few converts.
Maybe Savain wised up,
and is using a more effective approach
into getting into the minds of the masses
and deprogramming them.
--
Tom Potter
*** Time Magazine Person of the Year 2006 ***
http://home.earthlink.net/~tdp/
http://tdp1001.googlepages.com/home
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http://photos.yahoo.com/tdp1001
http://spaces.msn.com/tdp1001
http://www.flickr.com/photos/tom-potter/
http://tom-potter.blogspot.com
.

User: "Androcles"
Title: Re: "Koobee Wublee's" take on Einstein	09 Apr 2007 04:28:48 AM

"Tom Potter" <tdp1001@gmail.com> wrote in message =
news:1176086150.786917.222540@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

On Apr 9, 12:12 am, "hanson" <han...@quick.net> wrote:

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message

news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "KoobeeWublee" <koobee.wub...@gmail.com> wrote =

innews:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...> I was =
actually at the right mood to thank hanson.

Normally, I would not even respond.

force.

You don't feel a force pulling on you because every part of your
body is accelerating at the same time. That shut the professor up.
You should be proud of that one too.

instead

of getting our feet wet all the time. [1]

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

What I want to know, old chap, is what makes distant galaxies
look as if they are moving away; I'm not satisfied with any answer
I've seen, including my own, and I'm not interested in crackpottery
but reasoned conjecture opened for discussion. [3]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, =

cosmological

constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

[hanson]
[1] ahahaha... but I like wet feet and jump up and down in the
puddles and splash to the anger of the onlookers. I don't know
whether stupidity has really much to do with any talent... and
sadly, answers by committee bring always only the lowest
denominator [2] as a solution... But [1] & [2] are always funny.

But looking for "reasoned discussions" [3]... ahahaha...
forget that, Andro. There are "reasoned discussions" in
sci.phys.reasearch... which of course are only reasonable
as long as you tow the moderators' own Weltbild...

But here in these freewheeling NGs most people come
here for diversion and to strut their ken, a few ex-school
teachers make it into their class room, a few students come
here for having their homework done, a few undergrads
come here to regurgitate what they have read in a book
and brag with it without understanding it since they have
not experienced the real world yet... all of which results
unavoidably that posters simply state their own opinion,
regardless of whether it pertains to the issue supposedly
being discussed or not... ahaha.... which is of course funny!...

I poked at that general MO a couple of times when I asked =

inhttp://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/20bc11d9df6ba6ec

for a calculation to apply Maxwell's curls to some real world
calculations. **None** of the loud mouths who always swing
around with their relativity, tensors, difs, curls & matrices
and other highfaluting buzz words and pontifications have
dared to touch it. You were they only one who responded
and gave an honest opinion. NOT surprisingly nobody saw
fit to say that in the real world Maxwell curls may refer to the
number of windings in solenoids and alike gismos carrying
the units of Ampere-turns (Gilberts), which is of course funny!

... especially since Maxwell's equat's do NOT have any influence
on/in the development of EE or Electronics... except AFTER
any *fait accompli*, in the "report" to the sales department, to
sell the stuff that was discovered by serendipity and/or engineered
by (step-test-step)x ... ahahaha.... Very much like relativity that =

not needed with/by and for GPS... Check Ashby's Relativity song
which the NG Einstein-Dinglenerries always love to cite.
Ashby himself says in it after 39 equations (!... ahahaha) :
"The net correction for clock offset due to relativistic effects =

that

vary in time is "Delta t =3D + 4.4428*10^(-10)*e* sqrt...etc " ... =

(39)

and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t =3D + 2 r * v / c^2 ... =

(40)

where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in =

implementations

of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web =

site:http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Your wish in [4] to "get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs,
cosmological constants" is a call into the universe without an
echo. I suspect that the incessant relativity ***** [4] is =

regurgitated,

spewed out, and re-eaten ad nausea because it is **save **
to promote it, since it is a matter of belief/s, of conjectures and
opinions, just like religion is, ... for even physics is in the final
analysis also only a social enterprise, which is of course funny!...

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

PS: Louis Savain has recently made an astonishingly honest
announcement: Him thanking religion for his insights!...
Although my credo is governed by my own 5 true paths to
my own heaven: Heresy, Blasphemy, Sacrilege, Irreverence
and Profanity; in any convenient sequence, *****! yeah!.....
I really respect & value Louis's stance for it shows where he's
coming from. I shall respond to him when fancy strikes me.
Thanks, Louis.

=20
=20
"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message news:fVcSh.
2102$SK3.1518@trnddc03...

"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.
Normally, I would not even respond.

[KB]

force.

You don't feel a force pulling on you because every part of your
body is accelerating at the same time. That shut the professor up.
You should be proud of that one too.

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

instead

of getting our feet wet all the time. [1]

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, =

cosmological

constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

(39)

and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t =3D + 2 r * v / c^2 ... =

(40)

where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in =

implementations

of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Your wish in [4] to "get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs,
cosmological constants" is a call into the universe without an
echo. I suspect that the incessant relativity ***** [4] is =

regurgitated,

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

=20
I was also surprised by Savain's web page:
http://www.rebelscience.org/Seraphim/Physics.htm
=20
as it was uncharacteristic of Savain,
but it may be that he has adopted the strategy of successful
propagandists
and is using the Bible as a hook to get the brainwashed masses and
Jews
to pay attention to his basic Yin-Yang position
that all things arise from nothing.
=20
As most of the Western World has been intensively brainwashed to
have fixed attitudes about the Bible, Relativity, democracy, Hitler,
the German people, Muslims, the holocaust, etc.
a good way to get into the minds of people would be to
reinforce their prejudices at first,
then apply a tangential psychological force
to rotate them into a more rational view of the subject.

You mean=20
"we establish by definition that the ``time'' required by a turtle to =
travel from A to B equals the ``time'' it requires to travel from B to A =
?"
Look mate, when Moses brought the tablets containing the holey law of =
Gawd down off the mountain, the small print after the commandment that =
said "No animal shall sleep in a bed" was "with sheets", and after "All =
animals are equal"
the small print was "but some are more equal than others".=20
Being stone tablets which tend to chip easily and Moses having a big =
chisel, nobody ever reads the small print which quickly wears off. Now =
even
the tablets are lost, so how the ***** are you going to get a moron to =
read anyway?
=20

Most iconoclasts like hanson, Savain, Androcles, and myself
tend to use a brute force approach
and attack prejudices head-on.
This tends to generate a lot of heat and few converts.
=20
Maybe Savain wised up,
and is using a more effective approach
into getting into the minds of the masses
and deprogramming them.

He should wise up some more, the masses do not use a 1280x1024 screen
and automatic word wrap has been around a long time. I don't use one =
either, my eyeballs are not that good.=20
When writing web pages at 1024x768, test at 800x600.
=20
.

User: "hanson"
Title: Tom Potter's take on Louis Savain	09 Apr 2007 11:03:16 AM

Good one!, "Tom Potter" <tdp1001@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1176086150.786917.222540@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

"hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote in message news:fVcSh.
2102$SK3.1518@trnddc03...

"Androcles" <Engineer@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote in message
news:522Sh.56831$_Q.612@fe2.news.blueyonder.co.uk...

"Androcles" <Engin...@hogwarts.physics.co.uk> wrote:

KB aka "Koobee Wublee" <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:1176004708.356880.48490@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

I was actually at the right mood to thank hanson.
Normally, I would not even respond.

[KB]

[Andro]
I don't show my mirth as blatantly as hanson, but I can assure you I
have a grin on my face. I wasn't looking for thanks, just a response.

Some of us have talent, many heads are better than one, but they
have to be heads and they need to cooperate to answer some
of the riddles Nature presents us with. [2]

In other words, get off Einstein, black holes, Big Bangs, cosmological
constants and into some real observation, investigation and
explanation - aka science. [4]

... especially since Maxwell's equat's do NOT have any influence
on/in the development of EE or Electronics... except AFTER
any *fait accompli*, in the "report" to the sales department, to
sell the stuff that was discovered by serendipity and/or engineered
by (step-test-step)x ... ahahaha.... Very much like relativity that is
not needed with/by and for GPS... Check Ashby's Relativity song
which the NG Einstein-Dinglenerries always love to cite.
Ashby himself says in it after 39 equations (!... ahahaha) :
"The net correction for clock offset due to relativistic effects that
vary in time is "Delta t = + 4.4428*10^(-10)*e* sqrt...etc " ... (39)
and then continues to add. " Eq. (39) can be expressed *without*
approximation in the alternative form Delta t = + 2 r * v / c^2 ... (40)
where r and v are the position and velocity of the satellite at the
instant of transmission. This latter form is usually used in
implementations
of the receiver software".... ahahahaha.... IOW, Ashby himself says
NO relativity is required for GPS just like you did in your web site:
http://www.androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GPS/GPS.htm

Take care, Andro, and by all means...rail on, man ,. I love it!....
ahahahahanson

[Tom Potter]

[hanson]
..... ahahaha... Tom, that is a very astute reading of Savain's text.
You made a elegant synopsis of it. The only question is whether
there is a difference between "brainwashed masses and Jews".
Jews, the most thoroughly dogmatic folks, are NOT brainwashed?
.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha....

[Tom]

As most of the Western World has been intensively brainwashed to
have fixed attitudes about the Bible, Relativity, democracy, Hitler,
the German people, Muslims, the holocaust, etc.
*** a good way to get into the minds of people would be to
reinforce their prejudices at first,
then apply a tangential psychological force
to rotate them into a more rational view of the subject. *** [5]

[hanson]
Very good, Potter! I must remeber that [5]

[Tom]

Most iconoclasts like hanson, Savain, Androcles, and myself
tend to use a brute force approach
and attack prejudices head-on.
This tends to generate a lot of heat and few converts.

[hanson]
..... ahahaha... well, speak here for yourself Tom. You should
not accuse me of any brutal approach. I don't wanna convert
anybody. I am here for laughs, since to me it is hilarious to
see people get fanatical and them beginning to labor for no
gain whatsoever in return... ahahaha... except for having the
last word.... ahahahaha... which of course does have merit...
.... in one's own mind.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....

[Tom]

Maybe Savain wised up,
and is using a more effective approach
into getting into the minds of the masses
and deprogramming them.

[hanson]
Time will tell. Chances are very slim though.
Remember: MONEY talks...
Good Post, Potter!

[Tom Potter]

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[be a sage, a predictor, and say 2007, Tom... ahahaha...]

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Title: Re: Tom Potter's take on Louis Savain	09 Apr 2007 12:01:41 PM

On Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:03:16 GMT, "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> wrote:
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[hanson]

[Tom Potter]

[hanson]
.... ahahaha... Tom, that is a very astute reading of Savain's text.
You made a elegant synopsis of it. The only question is whether
there is a difference between "brainwashed masses and Jews".
Jews, the most thoroughly dogmatic folks, are NOT brainwashed?
... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA... ahahaha....

[Tom]

[hanson]
Very good, Potter! I must remeber that [5]

[Tom]

Most iconoclasts like hanson, Savain, Androcles, and myself
tend to use a brute force approach
and attack prejudices head-on.
This tends to generate a lot of heat and few converts.

[hanson]
.... ahahaha... well, speak here for yourself Tom. You should
not accuse me of any brutal approach. I don't wanna convert
anybody. I am here for laughs, since to me it is hilarious to
see people get fanatical and them beginning to labor for no
gain whatsoever in return... ahahaha... except for having the
last word.... ahahahaha... which of course does have merit...
... in one's own mind.... ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHA....

[Tom]

Maybe Savain wised up,
and is using a more effective approach
into getting into the minds of the masses
and deprogramming them.

[hanson]
Time will tell. Chances are very slim though.
Remember: MONEY talks...
Good Post, Potter!

ahahaha... You guys crack me up. Potter has a knack for reading
between the lines but his assessment is off the mark. Good try but no
cigar, sorry. I am not trying to convert the masses, just a