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Where is the Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored? |
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
By:- H. E. Retic ONLY E:-mail address is
When a bullet is fired, an explosive charge imparts kinetic energy to the
bullet. That kinetic energy travels with the bullet and is transferred to the
target when the bullet strikes. The question to be answered is where that
kinetic energy resides while the bullet is in flight. It obviously travels with
the bullet as is shown by the fact that stopping the bullet anywhere along its
flight path will impart that energy to the stopping means. Where that energy is
stored is revealed by the corrected Lorentz Transformations for Velocity using
the more rational F,L,T system of units. To accomplish this it is first
necessary to correct an error made in the derivation of the Lorentz
Transformation for Transverse Force. Apparently, for some hare-brained reason,
this transformation was apparently derived using Maxwell's Equations instead of
making use of the basic Lorentz Transformations and E=M*C^2 alone. The use of
this approach led to the conclusion that the Lorentz Transformation for
Transverse Force was the reciprocal of its correct value. The fact that an
error existed in that derivation was revealed by the classic "Right Angle Lever
Paradox" which those familiar with undergraduate level physics and/or mechanics
should be able to demolish in a few minutes.
Let us consider that an idealized bullet which, when at rest consists of
three ideal "mass less" springs at right angles to each other and aligned with
one of the springs parallel to the bullets of the path. The "rest mass" of the
bullet is then inserted in the springs by compressing them equally. The energy
stored in each of the springs is half of the product of the distance of the
their compression and their stiffness. When kinetic energy is added to the
bullet, the force compressing the parallel spring is increased by the Lorentz
Transformation for Parallel Force, which is unity, while the distance of
compression is reduced by the Lorentz Transformation for Length and energy must
LEAVE the parallel spring. WE can conclude, as a result, that energy must leave
the parallel spring and travel in the space around it (presumably in a disk
oriented perpendularly to the velocity vector).
In the transverse axes, however, a different situation exists. The
distance which these springs are compressed is unchanged by the velocity but
the force required to compress the spring is INCREASED by the Lorentz
Transformation for Transverse Force. As result, the energy of compression
stored in the transverse springs is increased proportionally. The energy of
compression in these springs is increased in direct proportion to the increase
of kinetic energy of the object. It would appear, therefore, that kinetic
energy is stored within the moving object and in a disk like (perpendicular to
its velocity vector) region of space around the object. (Some responses have
indicated that a further explanation is required for those readers with a
limited imagination. A nucleon can be considered analogous to three orthagonal
springs in which the energy represented by the nucleons mass is stored by
compression. This analogy applies to all other entities containing energy.)
The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999) located at http://www.members.aol.com/einsteinhoax/site.htm .
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: Where is the Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored? |
14 Aug 2003 05:16:36 PM |
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Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
Kinetic Energy
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/KineticEnergy.html
http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/physics/ConservationofEnergy.html
Tuning Up Your Crank Filters
http://spot.colorado.edu/~vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html
Crank Information
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Aretiche
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Areticher
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Areticher1
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| User: "Uncle Al" |
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14 Aug 2003 05:27:58 PM |
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Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[snip]
Psychotic ineducable boring retic (Ernest Wittke),
http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
http://www.apa.org/journals/psp/psp7761121.html
http://insti.physics.sunysb.edu/~siegel/quack.html
<http://www.firehead.org/~jessh/film/kubrick/Kubrick-Psycho.html>
<http://www.naturalchild.com/elliott_barker/prisons.html>
The source material for this posting may be found in "Gravity" (1987),
"The Einstein Hoax" (1997), and "Corrections to Residual Errors in Special
Relativity (1999)
[snip]
Hey, stooopid Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of the 24
GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or three
rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic corrections
being applied.
<http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume4/2001-4will/index.html>
Experimental constraints on General relativity.
<http://rattler.cameron.edu/EMIS/journals/LRG/Articles/Volume6/2003-1ashby/index.html>
http://www.eftaylor.com/pub/projecta.pdf
Relativity in the GPS system
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
page 21
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/Paper6.pdf
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/LPHrel.html
Longitudinal and transverse mass
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/gpsuser/gpsuser.pdf
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/sigspec/default.htm
http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pubs/gps/icd200/default.htm
http://www.trimble.com/gps/index.html
http://sirius.chinalake.navy.mil/satpred/
http://www.phys.lsu.edu/mog/mog9/node9.html
http://egtphysics.net/GPS/RelGPS.htm
http://www.schriever.af.mil/gps/Current/current.oa1
http://edu-observatory.org/gps/gps_books.html
<http://www-astronomy.mps.ohio-state.edu/~pogge/Ast162/Unit5/gps.html>
--
Uncle Al
http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/
(Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals)
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" The Net!
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| User: "Ed Keane III" |
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| Title: Re: Where is the Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored? |
15 Aug 2003 02:11:28 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C0CEE.2FDEE6C7@hate.spam.net>...
Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
Psychotic ineducable boring retic (Ernest Wittke)
Al should be so lucky.
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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14 Aug 2003 10:14:41 PM |
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Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C0CEE.2FDEE6C7@hate.spam.net>...
Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[snip]
Psychotic ineducable boring retic (Ernest Wittke),
http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
h
Hey, stooopid Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of the 24
GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or three
rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic corrections
being applied.
<
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
page 21
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/Paper6.pdf
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/LPHrel.html
Longitudinal and transverse mass
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the atomic clocks might be relativistic
but ..........!
that does not mean that there is - *relativistic mass*
there is no relativistic mass
there is only the phenomena of the *relativistic driving force*
in more simple words:
as velocity increases, it becomes more and more difficult
to the driving force, to add more speed.
(i think that Einstein himself never spoke about
'relativistiv mass' please correct if i am wrong historically)
is that undestood to all paaaaarots????
all the best
Y.porat
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| User: "Undeniable" |
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15 Aug 2003 08:33:39 AM |
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(Y.Porat) wrote in message news:<1f9c772b.0308141914.cf5ef44@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C0CEE.2FDEE6C7@hate.spam.net>...
Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[snip]
Psychotic ineducable boring retic (Ernest Wittke),
http://w0rli.home.att.net/youare.swf
http://www.you-moron.com/
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=group%3Asci.physics+author%3Awittke
h
Hey, stooopid Ernest Wittke - Do you want EVIDENCE? Each of the 24
GPS satellites carries either four cesium atomic clocks or three
rubidum atomic clocks in orbit, with full relativistic corrections
being applied.
<
http://fourmilab.to/etexts/einstein/specrel/specrel.pdf
page 21
<http://www.physics.gatech.edu/people/faculty/finkelstein/relativity.pdf>
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/Paper6.pdf
http://users.powernet.co.uk/bearsoft/LPHrel.html
Longitudinal and transverse mass
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the atomic clocks might be relativistic
but ..........!
that does not mean that there is - *relativistic mass*
there is no relativistic mass
there is only the phenomena of the *relativistic driving force*
in more simple words:
as velocity increases, it becomes more and more difficult
to the driving force, to add more speed.
(i think that Einstein himself never spoke about
'relativistiv mass' please correct if i am wrong historically)
is that undestood to all paaaaarots????
all the best
Y.porat
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Force and acceleration have no effect on clocks. Velocity and
gravitational potential affect clocks only.
is that undestood poooooooorat????
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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16 Aug 2003 05:17:04 AM |
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(Undeniable) wrote in message news:<1f366ae.0308150533.107e9aa1@posting.google.com>...
maporat@netvision.net.il (Y.Porat) wrote in message news:<1f9c772b.0308141914.cf5ef44@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C0CEE.2FDEE6C7@hate.spam.net>...
Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[snip]
<
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the atomic clocks might be relativistic
but ..........!
that does not mean that there is - *relativistic mass*
there is no relativistic mass
there is only the phenomena of the *relativistic driving force*
in more simple words:
as velocity increases, it becomes more and more difficult
to the driving force, to add more speed.
(i think that Einstein himself never spoke about
'relativistiv mass' please correct if i am wrong historically)
is that undestood to all paaaaarots????
all the best
Y.porat
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Force and acceleration have no effect on clocks. Velocity and
gravitational potential affect clocks only.
is that undestood poooooooorat????
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Dear Sir
there are surprises for you!
accelaeration *hase efect on clocks*
it is not easy and trivial to get it
but i am sure that with some more deap thinking you can do it!!
just a hint: it is not a direct efect but indirect.
if not , come back to me
all the best
Y.Porat
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| User: "Undeniable" |
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16 Aug 2003 08:07:07 AM |
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(Y.Porat) wrote in message news:<1f9c772b.0308160217.499ace87@posting.google.com>...
undeniablefact@yahoo.com (Undeniable) wrote in message news:<1f366ae.0308150533.107e9aa1@posting.google.com>...
(Y.Porat) wrote in message news:<1f9c772b.0308141914.cf5ef44@posting.google.com>...
Uncle Al <UncleAl0@hate.spam.net> wrote in message news:<3F3C0CEE.2FDEE6C7@hate.spam.net>...
Esuaceb14 wrote:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[snip]
<
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the atomic clocks might be relativistic
but ..........!
that does not mean that there is - *relativistic mass*
there is no relativistic mass
there is only the phenomena of the *relativistic driving force*
in more simple words:
as velocity increases, it becomes more and more difficult
to the driving force, to add more speed.
(i think that Einstein himself never spoke about
'relativistiv mass' please correct if i am wrong historically)
is that undestood to all paaaaarots????
all the best
Y.porat
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Force and acceleration have no effect on clocks. Velocity and
gravitational potential affect clocks only.
is that undestood poooooooorat????
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Dear Sir
there are surprises for you!
accelaeration *hase efect on clocks*
[rest of non sense snipped]
Learning how to read and write is a recommended first step for you.
http://spot.colorado.edu/~vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html
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| User: "Y.Porat" |
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16 Aug 2003 11:25:15 PM |
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(Undeniable) wrote in message news:<1f366ae.0308160507.2fd645c4@posting.google.com>...
maporat@netvision.net.il (Y.Porat) wrote in message news:<1f9c772b.0308160217.499ace87@posting.google.com>...
(Undeniable) wrote in message news:<1f366ae.0308150533.107e9aa1@posting.google.com>...
<
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the atomic clocks might be relativistic
but ..........!
that does not mean that there is - *relativistic mass*
there is no relativistic mass
there is only the phenomena of the *relativistic driving force*
in more simple words:
as velocity increases, it becomes more and more difficult
to the driving force, to add more speed.
(i think that Einstein himself never spoke about
'relativistiv mass' please correct if i am wrong historically)
is that undestood to all paaaaarots????
all the best
Y.porat
------------
Force and acceleration have no effect on clocks. Velocity and
gravitational potential affect clocks only.
is that undestood poooooooorat????
----------------------
Dear Sir
there are surprises for you!
accelaeration *hase efect on clocks*
[rest of non sense snipped]
Learning how to read and write is a recommended first step for you.
http://spot.colorado.edu/~vstenger/Briefs/Cranks.html
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thre are som symptoms of the crackpot
and yet there are other symptoms of the demagogu and the croock:
the croock will hang on marginal irelevant items
like spelling in order to avoid apposite physics discussion:
inorder to obfuscate his last nonsense stupid physics declarations
the croock will spread red herrings about how one writes, or reads.
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acceleration is making more velocity
therfore acceleration has an influence on clocks
is it clear ??? croocky?
actually the issue is very important and meaninful
unless croocky had not contaminated it with personal abuse.
the issue is the connection between force and mass
and ... 'shrthening of time' !!!!
is it new for you ? you are not alone, it is new for many other
'thinking scintists'
think about it croocky.
all the best
Y.porat
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| User: "The Ghost In The Machine" |
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15 Aug 2003 08:14:06 AM |
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In sci.physics, Esuaceb14
<esuaceb14@aol.com>
wrote
on 14 Aug 2003 18:00:17 GMT
<20030814140017.21828.00000447@mb-m07.aol.com>:
Where Is The Kinetic Energy of a Bullet Stored?
[rest snipped]
The idea is not all that dissimilar to two 1-metric tonne cars
traveling at 30 m/s (the precise speed isn't that important)
and colliding head-on and coming to a stop. How much energy
is involved?
Stationary observer: Incoming kinetic energy = 2 * (1/2 * 1,000 kg * 30^2)
= 900 kJ.
Observer in either car: Incoming kinetic energy = 1/2 * 1,000 kg * 60^2)
= 1.8 MJ.
Huh?!
Where'd that extra 900 kJ go? It turns out it wasn't
really there in the first place as the wreckage is
moving 30 m/s *backward* from the observer (one could
hypothesize he was ejected from the car, for example, or
simply following along in another vehicle not involved in
the collision); the kinetic energy thereof is 1/2 * 2,000 *
(-30)^2 = 900 kJ. Once I figured that out I was no longer
puzzled by this paticular problem.
I won't go into detailed calculations involving a car and
a truck but the idea is similar, with the added proviso
that the collision will likely result in a net velocity
as the momentum is nonzero; the vehicles' wreckage will
have to skid to a stop.
A bullet has a similar problem, in that, in its own
reference frame, its kinetic energy is zero. Of course
its eventual target (whatever it is) has a collossal speed
relative to *it*, and the energy of target+bullet moving
backwards at the bullet's original speed will make the
maths work out, in a similar fashion. If one is standing
on the Earth, of course, the bullet contains all the energy
and the target will "eat" the bullet (and probably fall
down), absorbing its energy, which if the target's lucky
won't involve any vital organs or tumbling.
Or perhaps the bullet pops out the other side and hits
another target (at a lower speed). It all works out.
--
#191,
It's still legal to go .sigless.
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