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"HardySpicer" |
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20 Jan 2008 02:00:45 PM |
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White Holes |
I thought that all mass that entered a black hole had to come out
somewhere - a White-Hole?
Or am I confusing this witha worm hole? In any case have we found any
matter spewing out of space singularities anywhere?
Hardy
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 04:41:30 PM |
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HardySpicer wrote:
I thought that all mass that entered a black hole had to come out
somewhere - a White-Hole?
Why do you think that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hole
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 03:01:17 PM |
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On Jan 20, 2:00 pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
I thought that all mass that entered a black hole had to come out
somewhere - a White-Hole?
Or am I confusing this witha worm hole? In any case have we found any
matter spewing out of space singularities anywhere?
Hardy
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
Neutron stars fall in, flares come out, and the jets from
some go on and on. The amount of matter in these jets is
enough to make many stars.
Black holes are just that; a kink in space where there is
a standing wave vortex. Anything going into that spin
gets completely separated and turned into plasma and
shot out the poles of the structure. Everything that used to be
there,
space-wise, is now in a state of flux around the hole; first plasma,
then stars, then neutrons, then back through the hole.
Galaxies.
John
Galaxy Model for the Atom
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 04:42:57 PM |
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malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 05:14:05 PM |
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On Jan 20, 4:42 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
Well, the jets are coming from the center, somewhere, Sam.
And they are significant, not just
blowback from a larger flow, which you insist on.
And this picture shows them at such an
angle, they seem to be blowing the galaxy around.
http://users.accesscomm.ca/john/galaxyjets.jpg
John
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 05:24:12 PM |
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malibu wrote:
On Jan 20, 4:42 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
Well, the jets are coming from the center, somewhere, Sam.
The jets are coming from the accretion disk of material falling
toward the black hole, John. The ultimate energy source is
the gravitation of the black hole... and once a particle
crosses that event horizon, you ain't git'n it back!
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| User: "G. L. Bradford" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
21 Jan 2008 01:09:20 PM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:wKQkj.308912$Fc.60254@attbi_s21...
malibu wrote:
On Jan 20, 4:42 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
Well, the jets are coming from the center, somewhere, Sam.
The jets are coming from the accretion disk of material falling
toward the black hole, John. The ultimate energy source is
the gravitation of the black hole... and once a particle
crosses that event horizon, you ain't git'n it back!
Which comes first, the Big Crunch (the Big Bang) or the Big Bang (the Big
Crunch)?
GLB
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
21 Jan 2008 01:30:58 PM |
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G. L. Bradford wrote:
Which comes first, the Big Crunch (the Big Bang) or the Big Bang (the Big
Crunch)?
Big Bang theory says the universe was hotter, smaller and denser
in the past... Says nothing about a "Big Crunch" or "Ganb Gib".
No Center
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/nocenter.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/infpoint.html
Also see Ned Wright's Cosmology Tutorial
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html
http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/CosmoCalc.html
WMAP: Foundations of the Big Bang theory
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html
WMAP: Tests of Big Bang Cosmology
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni/uni_101bbtest.html
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| User: "G. L. Bradford" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
22 Jan 2008 02:48:35 AM |
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"Sam Wormley" <swormley1@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:Sp6lj.45856$Ux2.3228@attbi_s22...
G. L. Bradford wrote:
Which comes first, the Big Crunch (the Big Bang) or the Big Bang (the
Big Crunch)?
Big Bang theory says the universe was hotter, smaller and denser
in the past... Says nothing about a "Big Crunch" or "Ganb Gib".
Roger Penrose, The Road to Reality, 719-20, 728, [729].
GLB
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| User: "malibu" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 06:09:33 PM |
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On Jan 20, 5:24 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
On Jan 20, 4:42 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
Well, the jets are coming from the center, somewhere, Sam.
The jets are coming from the accretion disk of material falling
toward the black hole, John. The ultimate energy source is
the gravitation of the black hole... and once a particle
crosses that event horizon, you ain't git'n it back!
They are high energy.
They emerge at right-angles to the galactic disc.
They contain enough material to make quasars.
The ultimate energy source is the *rotation* at
the center- which tears particles apart and spits
out HEPs.
John
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| User: "Sam Wormley" |
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| Title: Re: White Holes |
20 Jan 2008 06:18:47 PM |
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malibu wrote:
On Jan 20, 5:24 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
On Jan 20, 4:42 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...@mchsi.com> wrote:
malibu wrote:
There are huge jets of High-Energy Particles spewing out
of countless Active Galactic Nuclei (aka The Black Hole).
John's been told in this newsgroup many a time that
the "High-Energy Particles" are not coming from with
the black hole!
Well, the jets are coming from the center, somewhere, Sam.
The jets are coming from the accretion disk of material falling
toward the black hole, John. The ultimate energy source is
the gravitation of the black hole... and once a particle
crosses that event horizon, you ain't git'n it back!
They are high energy.
The particle in the jets have high energy... correct.
They emerge at right-angles to the galactic disc.
Yes... roughly perpendicular to the plane of the disk
They contain enough material to make quasars.
Quasars are active black holes... caused by huge amounts
of gas, dust and stars falling into the galactic black hole.
The ultimate energy source is the *rotation* at
the center- which tears particles apart and spits
out HEPs.
Angular momentum is conserved.... the energy source
is gravitation.
John
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