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"Jack Sarfatti" |
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11 Dec 2003 10:13:41 PM |
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Zero Point Energy WMD Debate |
On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Howard Fertman wrote:
Jack -
2 questions:
1. According to Penrose - Shadows of the Mind -excerpts: the concept of
gravity as an emergent phenomenon, Ala Sakharov "cannot work because
gravity influences causal relationships between space-time
events......gravity has the unique capacity to tilt light cones".
JS: My theory starts out as pre-inflationary global flat space-time for
quantum matter fields in which the causal light cone structure is
already given. All the light cones are parallel, i.e. "untilted" in
Penrose's terms. However, this situation is unstable, the phase
transition is to the non-perturbative emergence of the curved space-time
metric guv(Curved) with the light cones tilted exactly as Penrose says.
Penrose, like all quantum gravity theorists it appears so far, I could
be wrong there, does not seem to be aware of how P.W. Anderson's "More
is different" spontaneous breaking of vacuum symmetry of the global
translation group of special relativity relates to his problem. This is
odd since his relative Oliver invented the main idea "ODLRO". Roger
simply has not connected those two conceptual dots it doth appear. BTW
S. Adler in Rev Mod Phys 1982 has a counter-example to Roger's statement
above - I assume you are quoting him above?
What happens in ODLRO is a complete breakdown of micro-quantum
measurement theory for the large component. Micro-quantum theory only
applies for the residual "zero point fluctuations" in the off-mass-shell
vacuum problem and the "normal fluid" in the on-mass-shell many-particle
ground state problem like in superfluid boson He^4 and also in fermion
He^3 and the BCS low temperature super-conductors (SC). High Tc SC seems
to be a different dynamics of "anyons" in 2-dim sheets.
Micro-quantum theory has a linear NONLOCAL Schrodinger equation with
unitary time evolution of entangled quantum states in configuration
space in the many-particle problem and in the extension to the quantum
field problem. Micro-quantum measurement theory in the "Copenhagen" view
has a "non-unitary" "collapse" in a "measurement" nevertheless with
"signal locality". This is all when ODLRO = 0. When ODLRO =/= 0 its a
whole new emergent "More is different" MACRO-QUANTUM THEORY no more
probability quantum measurement theory at all for the large ODLRO or
"superfluid" which has "generalized phase rigidity", i.e. "String
Tension" in the vacuum case. You do not want the String Tension to be
infinite, but you also do not want it too small either. The String
Tension is infinite, i.e. G = 0 in the unstable globally flat
pre-inflationary vacuum. For metric engineering of star drive and time
travel gates to future and past you want weak string tension to more
easily manipulate space-time with small amounts of stress-energy density
currents Tuv(Matter). This is what Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis and other
"zero pointers" in the "black game" fail to grasp it appears. No more
Schrodinger equation. Now we have a LOCAL Landau-Ginsburg equation
without unitary time evolution, without quantum probability rules at all
for the large c-number ODLRO signal field. You still have the usual
micro-quantum rules for the residual noise part and you have cross-talk
between MACRO-QUANTUM signal and micro-quantum noise. Einstein's gravity
guv(Curved) of tilted light cones rides on the phase ripples of the
MACRO-QUANTUM signal, i.e. modulation of the Goldstone phase. Unified
zero point stress-energy density dark-energy/matter rides on the
corresponding amplitude ripples. It's like FM and AM radio with
Einstein's gravity on the FM channels and dark energy/matter on the AM
channels with different channels like the parallel brane worlds floating
in hyperspace.
"Gravitation's precise effects have a completely unique character, and
there is no way it can be regarded as an emergent or secondary
phenomenon, residual to other much more prominent physical processes."
I think Penrose, with all due respect, is seriously mistaken in that
particular opinion since my detailed equations, using Hagen Kleinert's
idea and also a key one of my own, are a counter example.
HF: Can you explain in plain English why Penrose is wrong, unless I am
not understanding your concept of a macro quantum BIT leading to an
emergent "World Crystal" IT - how does gravity fit in with a solid
state superfluid like precipitate and how then can gravity tilt light
cones.
JS: Answered above. The tilting of light cones is simply a way to
describe curvature. I have all that because I have exactly Einstein's
c-number field equations.
HF: Are you saying that gravity is an effect of dark matter- being a
variant of the vacuum?
JS: No, not at all! You can have gravity without any dark matter/energy
at all i.e. /\zpf = 0. This shows that even an intelligent person like
yourself cannot really understand what I am saying, also what Penrose is
saying, without really understanding the math. Ordinary English is
simply too imprecise and ambiguous for the non-mathematically fluent to
ever really understand the great ideas with any depth so that they, so
to speak, "own it" and can create new insights from that understanding.
There is no cheap route to the Indies.
HF: And if so, how does dark matter influence causal events?
Question is ill-posed. Dark energy/matter permit time travel even to the
past and to parallel brane worlds next door. That is what metric
engineering is really all about and that is what the UFO "data" after
the noise is filtered is telling us - at least that's what it is telling
me and, perhaps, my illustrious ancestors:
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/MagicBean.html
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/spectra.html
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/USSKron.html
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/coffee.html
http://stardrive.org/cartoon/Saturn.html
HF: Realize that your answer must be addressed, comprehendible to a
moron, at least in terms of the science. And the questions may very well
be off the mark - hell I was a biology major- Calc 1 and 2 and I didn't
really get introduced to quantum theory until the last day of second
semester organic chemistry when the prof confessed that everything he
taught us about pushing electrons was wrong : - )
2.
Metric engineering has the potential to unleash forces far in excess of
thermonuclear WMD.
JS: Yes, I think that is likely. See also Ch 9 of Sir Martin Rees's "Our
Final Hour".
HF: You are working in the field of WMD at least at the theoretical basis,
JS: Yes that is one important dimension to my research.
HF: unless your sidelining in black engineering projects like Hal : -)
JS: I am not sure what you mean? Sentence structure is unclear. Both Hal
and I have same world view and are working on same mission objective our
difference is one of tactics not strategy. I mean how to achieve the
goal. Note we are approximately the same age. This whole project
launched in the late 1940's post "Roswell 1947". The people in high
places today are essentially clueless because the institutional memory
in US military intelligence has deteriorated like the Iraqi oil
infrastructure you mentioned earlier today. That's why I wrote "Destiny
Matrix" so that the hidden history would not be entirely lost. Also I
only have a fragment of the whole story based on my direct participation.
HF: The question is: Is it wrong to use WMD tactically against civilian
populations when those populations are contaminated by toxic ideologies,
leading to a potentially unlimited supply of Jihadists of the terrorist
variety?
JS: Your moral question is beyond my competence. I am only a warped
quantum mechanic in the engine room. ;-)
Seriously, I cannot give a glib answer instantly.
HF: Were the Allies war criminals when we bombed civilian areas in
Germany and Japan? The Russians marched some 3 million German soldiers
off to Russia and only a million or so survived to return.
Upon this backdrop we were able to socially reconstruct and rehabilitate
these two countries. World War 2 was the war of wars and the
reconciliation or the irreconcilable (no morality to war) was that we
had to do what had to be done to deal with evil. Back to the original
question:
Is it wrong to use WMD in the Middle East. Is it only morally just to
engage in quagmire guerilla and highly costly measures and is it
feasible to psychologically rehabilitate a population so deeply engulfed
in the toxic ideology of politicized Islam without the harsh infliction
of overwhelming devastation like we inflicted in the napalm bombing of
Tokyo and the use of WMD in Japan?
If you work with WMD you should consider these questions
JS: Ask Martin Rees at Cambridge. He has thought more about that. I have
not given any attention to that. I am after all not The Pope. :-)
HF: Now I can retrace American complicity starting with the 1953 CIA ove
throw of Mossadech through to supporting strong men totalitarianism
states, to the profiteering of the Iran-Iraq war, to the arming of the
Muhajadinn; the chopping down of Saddam in a set up - the Gulf War, and
finally this ridiculous Neocon attempt to reconstruct the Middle East
and reposition US bases on the land of a compliant Iraq.
In my opinion we should come clean and throw in Kennedy as well. What a
weight off the public's back to hear some truth.
However, we are in a war of worlds and those worlds cannot coexist
despite Stephen Schwartz's superficial understanding of Sufism which
ultimately has nothing to do with Islam - it transcends Islam and
predates it. Therefore despite our miserable hack foreign policy, the
Moslems launched war on us and they almost universally back it in their
homelands due to their buying into the manipulation of their leaders and
their deep exposure to toxic ideology.
Therefore again, is it wrong to use WMD or even massive attacks on
population centers like we did in past wars and is the concept of
pinpointed strikes a folly. Any general will admit that there is no
morality to war!
JS: My personal opinion is that it is absolutely wrong to use WMD
period. The WMD from zero point energy is so enormous as to destroy
entire universes like the phrase about Shiva that Oppie recited when the
first Bomb went off. My concern is that WMD of the ZPE kind never be
used because that would literally bring about what Saint John talked
about in Revelations of the Apocalypse as Martin Rees clearly spells out
in his little book that every world leader should carry around and read.
Indeed, that is why ET is here, if all that UFO stuff is real. ET is
here as a matter of their own survival since we can trigger a chain
reaction in the vacuum to destroy the entire Universe - at least our
"Level 1" Hubble bubble as explained by Max Tegmark in May 2003
Scientific American and in my
http://qedcorp.com/APS/StarGate1.mov
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| User: "Mu-Pi" |
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| Title: Re: Zero Point Energy WMD Debate |
12 Dec 2003 04:34:08 PM |
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"Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:VfbCb.37551$Ot5.27194@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com...
On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Howard Fertman wrote:
Jack -
2 questions:
"Why are you a crank, Sarfatti?"
"Why won't you shut the ***** up and stop spamming Usenet groups with your
anal excretions?"
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| User: "Robert J. Kolker" |
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| Title: Re: Zero Point Energy WMD Debate |
12 Dec 2003 04:38:47 PM |
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Mu-Pi wrote:
"Why are you a crank, Sarfatti?"
"Why won't you shut the ***** up and stop spamming Usenet groups with your
anal excretions?"
Jack should only spend eternity in the same barrel as Fred Alan Wolfe.
Bob Kolker
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| User: "Do Wah Ditty" |
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| Title: Jack Sarfatti has not published one article in any Reputable Journal. |
12 Dec 2003 09:42:35 AM |
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Jack Sarfatti has not published one article in any Reputable Journal. Just
look at Papers by CIPA Authors and Grantees:
http://www.calphysics.org/sci_articles.html
You won't find Jack Sarfatti listed in any of them; nor is he listed and any
of they're references.
He publishes his books in Amazom.com.
Space - Time and Beyond II: The Series: Episode 2 "Dark Energy"
by Jack Sarfatti
1. Paperback: 208 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.43 x 11.00 x 8.25
2. Publisher: Unknown; (December 2002)
3. ISBN: 1403390223
Just look at the Publisher.. UNKNOWN!! Not Princeton Press or University of
Chicago not even University of Ho Bump Town. "UNKNOWN" -That's Jack
Sarfatti's publisher!!!
And...
Destiny Matrix
by Jack Sarfatti
1. Paperback: 416 pages ; Dimensions (in inches): 0.92 x 9.00 x 6.00
2. Publisher: Unknown; (November 2002)
3. ISBN: 0759696896
4. In-Print Editions: Hardcover
Just look at the Publisher.. UNKNOWN!! Not Princeton Press or University of
Chicago not even University of Ho Bump Town. "UNKNOWN" -That's Jack
Sarfatti's publisher!!!
Just look at http://www.phact.org/e/z/sarfatti.htm , a comment from Lawrence
B. Crowell
Titan Point wrote:
Let me add that Jack Sarfatti also fulfils qualifications as a crank.
1. He starts messages to five Usenet groups at once.
2. He appears to be answering advanced questions from people who don't
post on Usenet. Answering questions that people have not asked, does not
suggest comprehension.
3. He never responds to any queries from anyone. He appears to be in
correspondence entirely with himself.
4. He never uses simplifying analogies to describe abstract concepts.
5. He mentions UFOs as real technology.
6. I may be stupid, but his logical leaps from one place to another
suggest heavy schizophrenia rather than actual brilliant insight.
7. He is flat-out humorless and completely un-self aware.
8. In total, he appears to be several neutrons short of a stable nucleus.
--
Do Wah Ditty
"Our country puts $1 billion a year up to help feed the hungry. And we're by
far the most generous nation in the world when it comes to that, and I'm
proud to report that. This isn't a contest of who's the most generous. I'm
just telling you as an aside. We're generous. We shouldn't be bragging about
it. But we are. We're very generous."
- Washinton D.C., July 16, 2003
President Bushisms
"Jack Sarfatti" <sarfatti@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 11, 2003, at 05:59 PM, Howard Fertman wrote:
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| User: "Dirk Van de moortel" |
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| Title: Re: Jack Sarfatti has not published one article in any Reputable Journal. |
12 Dec 2003 11:11:08 AM |
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"Do Wah Ditty" <DoWahDitty@msn.com> wrote in message news:vtjofh54gkf921@corp.supernews.com...
Jack Sarfatti has not published one article in any Reputable Journal.
Didn't he publish in "Galilean Electrodynamics", the ReFutable Journal
that also seems to accept Ronald Hatch, Ken Seto (!), Barry Mingst
and Paul Stowe?
Dirk Vdm
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