Games > Poker > OT - An Open Letter to President Bush
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23 Sep 2006 12:16:45 PM |
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OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
In this regard, the US is the biggest terrorist that the world has
going. We've blown entire cities off the map and proven to everyone,
time and again, that we can and will use force, and when we do it,
innocents, including children, will be counted in the death toll as a
natural consequence of failure to do as the US demands.
The US hides from this ugly truth by calling it "collateral damage,"
"justifiable" and "inevitable."
I'd say that anything that includes collateral damage is pretty much
already terrorism, don't you think?
So when you say that military action is not off the table, that means
it's on the table, and that means that real threats of real violence
that have resulted in real deaths in the past are on the table.
Listen, here's the problem: every time you blow someone's family member
up, you create more enemies than you can ever possibly manage if you
continue. And when you threaten violence, you're essentially saying,
"Do as we demand or we may kill you and your family."
So, please, find another way. You need to say something new, or do
something new. I don't know, make your biggest enemy your best friend
or something. Let the people of Iran know that the US will not hurt
them.
So far, it is not democracy that you bring to the world, but death and
destruction, and that is why others call you the Devil.
And after you commit to not killing in the name of democracy anymore,
would you see what you can do about keeping online poker legal?
(Especially the unraked variety.)
Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Tad Perry
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| User: "FL Turbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 01:05:41 PM |
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On 23 Sep 2006 10:16:45 -0700, "tvp" <tadperry@comcast.net> wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
In this regard, the US is the biggest terrorist that the world has
going. We've blown entire cities off the map and proven to everyone,
time and again, that we can and will use force, and when we do it,
innocents, including children, will be counted in the death toll as a
natural consequence of failure to do as the US demands.
The US hides from this ugly truth by calling it "collateral damage,"
"justifiable" and "inevitable."
I'd say that anything that includes collateral damage is pretty much
already terrorism, don't you think?
So when you say that military action is not off the table, that means
it's on the table, and that means that real threats of real violence
that have resulted in real deaths in the past are on the table.
Listen, here's the problem: every time you blow someone's family member
up, you create more enemies than you can ever possibly manage if you
continue. And when you threaten violence, you're essentially saying,
"Do as we demand or we may kill you and your family."
So, please, find another way. You need to say something new, or do
something new. I don't know, make your biggest enemy your best friend
or something. Let the people of Iran know that the US will not hurt
them.
So far, it is not democracy that you bring to the world, but death and
destruction, and that is why others call you the Devil.
And after you commit to not killing in the name of democracy anymore,
would you see what you can do about keeping online poker legal?
(Especially the unraked variety.)
Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Tad Perry
Very good.
Now all you need to do is post open letters to Hugo Chavez, OBL, Dr.
Zahaheri of the AQ, and to President Ahmadinjad of Iran.
How about it?
If you are as open to reasoned arguments as you say you are, it should
be easy.
How about it?
Can I expect any such open letters any time in the future??
Can I expect you to ask the President of Iran when he will release his
political prisoners?
Hmm????
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| User: "Edward" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 01:13:06 PM |
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FL Turbo wrote:
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How about it?
Can I expect any such open letters any time in the future??
Franny Franny Franny
You can expect a huge raise on the turn, if you'd ever get on a poker
table.
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| User: "FL Turbo" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 02:03:16 PM |
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On 23 Sep 2006 11:13:06 -0700, "Edward" <edwardr121453@aol.com> wrote:
FL Turbo wrote:
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How about it?
Can I expect any such open letters any time in the future??
Franny Franny Franny
You can expect a huge raise on the turn, if you'd ever get on a poker
table.
Well, golly gee whiz.
What a pleasant surprise, Eddie.
No repeated Monty Python routine troll.
Just a few lines of brain dead commentary.
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| User: "thedudeabides" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 07:40:20 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 12:16 PM, tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
ploink #2 - I've got more - lol...
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| User: "jimpepper" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 03:47:50 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 1:16 PM, tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
Don't ever spank a kid then. End of civilization as we know it.
jim
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| User: "OrangeSFO" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 05:23:33 PM |
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Tad, your letter is addressed to the neighborhood cat killer. He's not
interested.
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| User: "bub" |
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23 Sep 2006 04:27:07 PM |
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i guess we owe one hell of a apology to hitler's family.
why don't you get right on it.
On 23 Sep 2006 10:16:45 -0700, "tvp" <tadperry@comcast.net> wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
In this regard, the US is the biggest terrorist that the world has
going. We've blown entire cities off the map and proven to everyone,
time and again, that we can and will use force, and when we do it,
innocents, including children, will be counted in the death toll as a
natural consequence of failure to do as the US demands.
The US hides from this ugly truth by calling it "collateral damage,"
"justifiable" and "inevitable."
I'd say that anything that includes collateral damage is pretty much
already terrorism, don't you think?
So when you say that military action is not off the table, that means
it's on the table, and that means that real threats of real violence
that have resulted in real deaths in the past are on the table.
Listen, here's the problem: every time you blow someone's family member
up, you create more enemies than you can ever possibly manage if you
continue. And when you threaten violence, you're essentially saying,
"Do as we demand or we may kill you and your family."
So, please, find another way. You need to say something new, or do
something new. I don't know, make your biggest enemy your best friend
or something. Let the people of Iran know that the US will not hurt
them.
So far, it is not democracy that you bring to the world, but death and
destruction, and that is why others call you the Devil.
And after you commit to not killing in the name of democracy anymore,
would you see what you can do about keeping online poker legal?
(Especially the unraked variety.)
Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Tad Perry
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| User: "Edward" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 12:33:52 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
So, please, find another way. You need to say something new, or do
something new. I don't know, make your biggest enemy your best friend
or something. Let the people of Iran know that the US will not hurt
them.
Thanks in advance!
Regards,
Tad Perry
You're advocating weak/tight play.
May I suggest that you be more aggressive on the turn and insta-push on
the river?
This game ain't for wimps.
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| User: "Johnny T" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 12:30:09 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
No it isn't. Makes the whole rest of the argument stupid.
Terrorism has clear definitions. This is not it.
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| User: "tvp" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 06:41:04 PM |
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Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
I even pointed out in the letter that people play with definitions just
to avoid this basic point.
tvp
Johnny T wrote:
tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
No it isn't. Makes the whole rest of the argument stupid.
Terrorism has clear definitions. This is not it.
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| User: "Max Coin" |
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23 Sep 2006 06:57:09 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 4:41 PM, tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
Examples please.
I even pointed out in the letter that people play with definitions just
to avoid this basic point.
tvp
Johnny T wrote:
tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
No it isn't. Makes the whole rest of the argument stupid.
Terrorism has clear definitions. This is not it.
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| User: "Bryan Kimmes" |
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24 Sep 2006 02:35:02 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 6:57 PM, Max Coin wrote:
On Sep 23 2006 4:41 PM, tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
Examples please.
LOL.
Bryan
I even pointed out in the letter that people play with definitions just
to avoid this basic point.
tvp
Johnny T wrote:
tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
No it isn't. Makes the whole rest of the argument stupid.
Terrorism has clear definitions. This is not it.
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| User: "Gary Carson" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 08:46:11 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 6:41 PM, tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
We use the carrot and the stick.
For example, countries that serve on the UN Security Council (not the permenant
ones, the rotating ones) experience increases in aide from the US while they are
on the Council.
It's impossible for a country as large, rich, and powerful as the US not to be
threatening.
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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| User: "Dr Zen" |
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23 Sep 2006 10:31:59 PM |
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On Sun, 24 Sep 06 1:46:11 GMT, Gary Carson
<garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote:
On Sep 23 2006 6:41 PM, tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
We use the carrot and the stick.
For example, countries that serve on the UN Security Council (not the permenant
ones, the rotating ones) experience increases in aide from the US while they are
on the Council.
It's impossible for a country as large, rich, and powerful as the US not to be
threatening.
Being threatening and making a threat are different things.
--
Dr Zen
King of the wild pixels.
http://gollyg.blogspot.com
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| User: "" |
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23 Sep 2006 07:28:17 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
I even pointed out in the letter that people play with definitions just
to avoid this basic point.
tvp
You pointed out just how ignorant you are!
Johnny T wrote:
tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
No it isn't. Makes the whole rest of the argument stupid.
Terrorism has clear definitions. This is not it.
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| User: "Johnny T" |
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23 Sep 2006 07:25:47 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Regardless of what we call it, the US uses fear as leverage to achieve
it's aims and backs it up with real violence if that's what it takes.
Um... Threat, fear, and threat of violence have been a cornerstone of
foreign policy so long as there have been foreigners.
It *is* uncomfortable.
There has also been a world of evil people, some that hold great power
from time-to-time.
The existence of fear, threat and violence, except for the quakers, has
been for most people NOT the central moral argument. After 9-11 we
could have gotten IRAQ and IRAN to go an a mission to go kill OBL and
take over Afghanistan.
The central moral argument has been about lies, deceit, reasons for
which to commit the horrible act of war. Not that war in and of itself
is horrible.
It is NOT really about not losing, or being the best. It is my hope
that my country will always be the best at this. It is also my hope
that we string up every neo-con that got us into this, explain to them
why it is a bad idea, then lock the door behind me. In a museum
someplace where they can be an example to others.
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| User: "WuzYoungOnceToo" |
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23 Sep 2006 12:34:07 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
In this regard, the US is the biggest terrorist that the world has
going.
I have an intrusion alarm installed in my home, and post a sign out
front advertising that fact. This makes burglars afraid to break into
my home for fear that they'll be caught, have charges pressed against
them and likely spend time in jail.
I'm a terrorist.
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| User: "" |
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23 Sep 2006 07:26:15 PM |
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tvp wrote:
Dear Mr. President,
Threat of force is terrorism.
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
But what the President says is not a threat, it is a promise. We have
been for decades the world's police. Any time any one has needed us to
save them here we come to save the day.
It is not a threat of force & these people are not afraid - they
attacked us first and the last time was on American soil, don't you
remember that?
In this regard, the US is the biggest terrorist that the world has
going.
The US is not a terrorist, Bush is NOT a terrorist! Good gravy Tad,
where have you been for the last 20 years man? We have been attacked
over & over again and the people in Iraq has asked for our help before
Bush went in - they pleaded with clinton to save them from Sadam & he
turned his back on them.
We've blown entire cities off the map and proven to everyone,
time and again, that we can and will use force,
OK, name one for instance that we have just gone in and bombed entire
cities that they had not attacked (bombed) us first. Go all the way
back to Japan, did Pearl Harbor not happen first?
and when we do it,
innocents, including children, will be counted in the death toll as a
natural consequence of failure to do as the US demands.
The US hides from this ugly truth by calling it "collateral damage,"
"justifiable" and "inevitable."
The innocents as you call them have been taught from infancy to hate
Christian and Jews. They would kill us first in a heart beat. It is
their religion that they do it in, does that make it all better for
you? We do not demand anything but to let those people live in peace
and free, just like you enjoy over here & if we weren't over there then
YOU could be "collateral damage" just like those in 9/11, USS Cole, US
embassies & military installations. Justifiable - yes in their
demented minds it would be. Inevitable - absolutely if we do not keep
it over in their back yard it will in our front yard.
I'd say that anything that includes collateral damage is pretty much
already terrorism, don't you think?
Yep, so did Bush that is why we are over there.
So when you say that military action is not off the table, that means
it's on the table, and that means that real threats of real violence
that have resulted in real deaths in the past are on the table.
That's right - as long as the terrorists are still armed and attacking
why should we or Israel lay down our weapons? Really!?!?!?!?! :S
Listen, here's the problem: every time you blow someone's family member
up, you create more enemies than you can ever possibly manage if you
continue. And when you threaten violence, you're essentially saying,
"Do as we demand or we may kill you and your family."
Again, apparently you are either uninformed or brain-dead (I am praying
it is the former)
Yes, and that is the Islamic philosophy. They want the entire world to
be Muslim and worship Allah or else ........"Do as we demand or we may
kill you and your family."
So, please, find another way. You need to say something new, or do
something new. I don't know, make your biggest enemy your best friend
or something. Let the people of Iran know that the US will not hurt
them.
NOW that has got to be the DUMBEST statement you have made in this
entire letter
So far, it is not democracy that you bring to the world, but death and
destruction, and that is why others call you the Devil.
They do not call Bush the devil because of what he does, it is because
of what he stands for .....FREEDOM! The God given right to live free &
worship freely. He will not bow down to ALLAH. geeeeeez, again you
don't know much about what is going on in the world right now do you?
EVERYONE who does not fold & worship Allah is the devil, Bush is just
the leader of the US who is ri8ght now the only true ally to Israel.
We don't cow down buddy!
And after you commit to not killing in the name of democracy anymore,
would you see what you can do about keeping online poker legal?
(Especially the unraked variety.)
I got an idea Tad, if you don't like it here then LEAVE - go live with
them. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves because of
people like you & other wiennies like you.
PLEASE MOVE ASAP, I would like to ask the President if would pay for
your relocation & then you can ask the leaders over there about the
online gambling - I hope you aren't too attached to your head.
Thanks in advance!
same here...and I will add good riddance!
Regards,
Tad Perry
May God bless & keep you safe! (you are going to need it),
Chyna
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| User: "jgm noaddress@unavailable" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
28 Sep 2006 01:02:32 PM |
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<mrschina55@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:1159057575.164324.327230@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
When you threaten force, it makes people afraid that they will be hurt,
especially if threatened by someone known to use violence in the past.
But what the President says is not a threat, it is a promise. We have
been for decades the world's police. Any time any one has needed us to
save them here we come to save the day.
You're brainwashed.
and when we do it,
innocents, including children, will be counted in the death toll as a
natural consequence of failure to do as the US demands.
The US hides from this ugly truth by calling it "collateral damage,"
"justifiable" and "inevitable."
The innocents as you call them have been taught from infancy to hate
Christian and Jews. They would kill us first in a heart beat.
You're brainwashed.
We do not demand anything but to let those people live in peace
and free,
The lives of the people in the middle east are fucked. If they are not
directly killed by the bombs, the medium-long term health effects from
things such as depleted uranium will give them suffering and premature
death. I wouldn't want that kind of 'help' if I was them.
Inevitable - absolutely if we do not keep
it over in their back yard it will in our front yard.
You're brainwashed.
I'd say that anything that includes collateral damage is pretty much
already terrorism, don't you think?
Yep, so did Bush that is why we are over there.
You're brainwashed.
Listen, here's the problem: every time you blow someone's family member
up, you create more enemies than you can ever possibly manage if you
continue. And when you threaten violence, you're essentially saying,
"Do as we demand or we may kill you and your family."
Again, apparently you are either uninformed or brain-dead (I am praying
it is the former)
Look in the mirror. Being brainwashed does not equal well informed.
So far, it is not democracy that you bring to the world, but death and
destruction, and that is why others call you the Devil.
They do not call Bush the devil because of what he does, it is because
of what he stands for .....FREEDOM!
You're brainwashed. Completely brainwashed.
The God given right to live free &
worship freely. He will not bow down to ALLAH. geeeeeez, again you
don't know much about what is going on in the world right now do you?
EVERYONE who does not fold & worship Allah is the devil, Bush is just
the leader of the US who is ri8ght now the only true ally to Israel.
We don't cow down buddy!
You're brainwashed.
And after you commit to not killing in the name of democracy anymore,
would you see what you can do about keeping online poker legal?
(Especially the unraked variety.)
I got an idea Tad, if you don't like it here then LEAVE - go live with
them. Our founding fathers are rolling in their graves because of
people like you & other wiennies like you.
Brainwashed. Completely brainwashed.
May God bless & keep you safe! (you are going to need it),
Chyna
God supports violance, hate, and blowing up people in the name of spreading
'freedom' and 'peace' does he?
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| User: "OrangeSFO" |
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| Title: Re: OT - An Open Letter to President Bush |
23 Sep 2006 10:05:23 PM |
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wrote:
The innocents as you call them have been taught from infancy to hate
Christian and Jews. They would kill us first in a heart beat.
Who's "they"...?
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| User: "Gary Carson" |
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23 Sep 2006 08:51:31 PM |
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On Sep 23 2006 7:26 PM, wrote:
The US is not a terrorist, Bush is NOT a terrorist! Good gravy Tad,
where have you been for the last 20 years man? We have been attacked
over & over again and the people in Iraq has asked for our help before
Bush went in - they pleaded with clinton to save them from Sadam & he
turned his back on them.
Actually the people who asked Bush for help where not in Iraq. They were people
who used to live in Iraq and wanted to go back and overthrow the Iraqi
government and wanted Bushes help.
The people in Iraq who asked for our help where the ones that were abandoned by
Bush Sr., before Clinton.
They do not call Bush the devil because of what he does, it is because
of what he stands for .....FREEDOM!
Freedom?
Freedom to lock people away in secret prisons and torture them?
Gary Carson
http://www.garycarson.com
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