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User: "no surrender"
Date: 05 Feb 2008 06:56:08 AM
Object: MS & Yahoo: 2 Has Beens?
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EXCERPTS FROM COMMENTARY IN WSJ
LEAD: Yahoo, be coy, but take the Microsoft deal.
Microsoft's interest in buying Yahoo had been rumored for so long that when
the bid -- $44.6 billion -- was finally made last week, it managed to
surprise just about everyone in the high-tech world. With merger rumors
fading and Yahoo slumping, it was generally assumed that cofounder and CEO
Jerry Yang and his team were hunkering down to cut their losses with layoffs
and then embark on a major re-organization.
Microsoft's offer has changed everything. Within minutes after the news
broke, the mainstream media and the blogosphere were on fire with
speculation on what it all meant. Here in Silicon Valley, and other
high-tech enclaves around the world, the debate was a welcome respite from
the increasingly depressing news that always accompanies the industry's
quadrennial slide into recession.
The announcement also brought to the surface a lot of old emotions,
including Silicon Valley versus Seattle, corporate capitalism versus
entrepreneurship -- but most of all, the fear of Microsoft as an unstoppable
force crushing all competitors before it. Pundits instantly started asking
if the feds would even allow such a merger. Meanwhile, at Yahoo's
photo-sharing subsidiary Flickr, members are throwing a collective (and
characteristically clever) tantrum about being handed over to their new
overlords.
The low point came on Sunday when David Drummond, Google's senior vice
president and chief legal officer, darkly summoned the ghost of Microsoft
past. "Could Microsoft," he asked ominously on the company's Web site, "now
attempt to exert the same sort of inappropriate and illegal influence over
the Internet that it did with the PC?" He was dangling the bait in front of
the Federal Trade Commission to see if it would nibble -- all while
conveniently ignoring the fact that if there is any monopoly at work in the
digital world these days, it is Google's absolute dominance of Internet
searches. Its market share surely equals IBM in computers, Intel in
microprocessors and, yes, Microsoft in PC operating systems at their peaks.
Years ago on a Sunday morning news show, Bill Gates made perhaps his most
prescient comment ever. If you look at the history of technology companies,
he said, none have ever been able to stay at the top for long. This is
Microsoft's moment, he continued, but it won't last forever. He was right.
If you look at Microsoft with an objective eye, it becomes apparent that it
is a giant company past its prime. It is big and rich, but increasingly
toothless.
And that brings us to the Microsoft-Yahoo deal. For all of the excitement,
this is just big, rich, but slow-moving giant looking to buy another
slow-moving giant, the latter having stuck to an obsolete business plan too
long and lost its way. The scheme is less predation than it is desperation:
In the world of search, Google owns these two lumbering monsters.
Microsoft understandably covets the sheer size of Yahoo's subscriber rolls,
believing it can accomplish what Yahoo has failed to do: convert more of
those 130 million monthly visitors into real, paying customers. But
Microsoft has hardly shown it can do that at MSN. So, can it really find a
solution to Yahoo's structural problems?
That remains to be seen -- and Microsoft's one genius is as a late adopter.
The real problem Yahoo -- and perhaps soon Microsoft -- faces is that those
legions of Yahoo users don't want to be stuck inside a small corner of the
Web, not getting all of the experiences and services (like live TV and
first-run movies) they were promised. Especially not when they can run
around and find all of those things, in abundance, elsewhere on the Web.
Microsoft is even less prepared to solve that problem than Yahoo.
That leaves search, which is probably the real reason Microsoft wants Yahoo.
Combining the two search engines would, in terms of sheer numbers, represent
the biggest challenge to Google to date. But the sum of two also-rans is
almost never a winner -- unless the newly merged is very, very lucky in its
competitors. That's what happened with HP and Compaq: Who'd have guessed
that Dell would suddenly fall on its face?
Incredibly, the same may happen with a Microsoft-Yahoo deal if it happens.
If you look at the stock market, peruse the industry gossip blogs, follow
the departure of key employees, or read about the various new initiatives
(energy?) the company is pursuing, it becomes increasingly apparent that
Google is a company about to have an early midlife crisis. Microsoft-Yahoo
may turn out to be a pedestrian idea with absolutely brilliant timing.
If that is the case, and the merger proves successful, it will have more to
do with Google than Microsoft and Yahoo. Which is why the feds should stay
out of it.
So, Yahoo: Take the deal (unless a better one comes along). Microsoft: Let
this be the first of many high-risk moves. Treat Yahoo as a heart
transplant, not a skin graft. And Google: This new competition should be a
warning to stop fooling around and get back to business.
****
Anyone see the phrase "successful monopoly" up there? Nope, not
there...ain't no such animal.
Dennis
.

User: "Jeffrey Turner"

Title: Re: MS & Yahoo: 2 Has Beens? 05 Feb 2008 09:10:05 AM
no surrender wrote:

RECOMMENDED FOR CONSERVATIVES REQUIRED FOR WEE, TWEE, AND FEY LO-COMS.

EXCERPTS FROM COMMENTARY IN WSJ

LEAD: Yahoo, be coy, but take the Microsoft deal.

Microsoft's interest in buying Yahoo had been rumored for so long that when
the bid -- $44.6 billion -- was finally made last week, it managed to
surprise just about everyone in the high-tech world. With merger rumors
fading and Yahoo slumping, it was generally assumed that cofounder and CEO
Jerry Yang and his team were hunkering down to cut their losses with layoffs
and then embark on a major re-organization.

Microsoft's offer has changed everything. Within minutes after the news
broke, the mainstream media and the blogosphere were on fire with
speculation on what it all meant. Here in Silicon Valley, and other
high-tech enclaves around the world, the debate was a welcome respite from
the increasingly depressing news that always accompanies the industry's
quadrennial slide into recession.

The announcement also brought to the surface a lot of old emotions,
including Silicon Valley versus Seattle, corporate capitalism versus
entrepreneurship -- but most of all, the fear of Microsoft as an unstoppable
force crushing all competitors before it. Pundits instantly started asking
if the feds would even allow such a merger. Meanwhile, at Yahoo's
photo-sharing subsidiary Flickr, members are throwing a collective (and
characteristically clever) tantrum about being handed over to their new
overlords.

The low point came on Sunday when David Drummond, Google's senior vice
president and chief legal officer, darkly summoned the ghost of Microsoft
past. "Could Microsoft," he asked ominously on the company's Web site, "now
attempt to exert the same sort of inappropriate and illegal influence over
the Internet that it did with the PC?" He was dangling the bait in front of
the Federal Trade Commission to see if it would nibble -- all while
conveniently ignoring the fact that if there is any monopoly at work in the
digital world these days, it is Google's absolute dominance of Internet
searches. Its market share surely equals IBM in computers, Intel in
microprocessors and, yes, Microsoft in PC operating systems at their peaks.

Years ago on a Sunday morning news show, Bill Gates made perhaps his most
prescient comment ever. If you look at the history of technology companies,
he said, none have ever been able to stay at the top for long. This is
Microsoft's moment, he continued, but it won't last forever. He was right.
If you look at Microsoft with an objective eye, it becomes apparent that it
is a giant company past its prime. It is big and rich, but increasingly
toothless.

And that brings us to the Microsoft-Yahoo deal. For all of the excitement,
this is just big, rich, but slow-moving giant looking to buy another
slow-moving giant, the latter having stuck to an obsolete business plan too
long and lost its way. The scheme is less predation than it is desperation:
In the world of search, Google owns these two lumbering monsters.

Microsoft understandably covets the sheer size of Yahoo's subscriber rolls,
believing it can accomplish what Yahoo has failed to do: convert more of
those 130 million monthly visitors into real, paying customers. But
Microsoft has hardly shown it can do that at MSN. So, can it really find a
solution to Yahoo's structural problems?

That remains to be seen -- and Microsoft's one genius is as a late adopter.
The real problem Yahoo -- and perhaps soon Microsoft -- faces is that those
legions of Yahoo users don't want to be stuck inside a small corner of the
Web, not getting all of the experiences and services (like live TV and
first-run movies) they were promised. Especially not when they can run
around and find all of those things, in abundance, elsewhere on the Web.
Microsoft is even less prepared to solve that problem than Yahoo.

That leaves search, which is probably the real reason Microsoft wants Yahoo.
Combining the two search engines would, in terms of sheer numbers, represent
the biggest challenge to Google to date. But the sum of two also-rans is
almost never a winner -- unless the newly merged is very, very lucky in its
competitors. That's what happened with HP and Compaq: Who'd have guessed
that Dell would suddenly fall on its face?

Incredibly, the same may happen with a Microsoft-Yahoo deal if it happens.
If you look at the stock market, peruse the industry gossip blogs, follow
the departure of key employees, or read about the various new initiatives
(energy?) the company is pursuing, it becomes increasingly apparent that
Google is a company about to have an early midlife crisis. Microsoft-Yahoo
may turn out to be a pedestrian idea with absolutely brilliant timing.

If that is the case, and the merger proves successful, it will have more to
do with Google than Microsoft and Yahoo. Which is why the feds should stay
out of it.

So, Yahoo: Take the deal (unless a better one comes along). Microsoft: Let
this be the first of many high-risk moves. Treat Yahoo as a heart
transplant, not a skin graft. And Google: This new competition should be a
warning to stop fooling around and get back to business.
****
Anyone see the phrase "successful monopoly" up there? Nope, not
there...ain't no such animal.

More idiocy from our own ne'er was, Dennis.
--Jeff
--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman
.
User: "no surrender"

Title: Re: MS & Yahoo: 2 Has Beens? 05 Feb 2008 10:19:34 AM
"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:13qgv2dh9hsoe62@corp.supernews.com...

no surrender wrote:

RECOMMENDED FOR CONSERVATIVES REQUIRED FOR WEE, TWEE, AND FEY LO-COMS.

EXCERPTS FROM COMMENTARY IN WSJ

LEAD: Yahoo, be coy, but take the Microsoft deal.

Microsoft's interest in buying Yahoo had been rumored for so long that

when

the bid -- $44.6 billion -- was finally made last week, it managed to
surprise just about everyone in the high-tech world. With merger rumors
fading and Yahoo slumping, it was generally assumed that cofounder and

CEO

Jerry Yang and his team were hunkering down to cut their losses with

layoffs

and then embark on a major re-organization.

Microsoft's offer has changed everything. Within minutes after the news
broke, the mainstream media and the blogosphere were on fire with
speculation on what it all meant. Here in Silicon Valley, and other
high-tech enclaves around the world, the debate was a welcome respite

from

the increasingly depressing news that always accompanies the industry's
quadrennial slide into recession.

The announcement also brought to the surface a lot of old emotions,
including Silicon Valley versus Seattle, corporate capitalism versus
entrepreneurship -- but most of all, the fear of Microsoft as an

unstoppable

force crushing all competitors before it. Pundits instantly started

asking

if the feds would even allow such a merger. Meanwhile, at Yahoo's
photo-sharing subsidiary Flickr, members are throwing a collective (and
characteristically clever) tantrum about being handed over to their new
overlords.

The low point came on Sunday when David Drummond, Google's senior vice
president and chief legal officer, darkly summoned the ghost of

Microsoft

past. "Could Microsoft," he asked ominously on the company's Web site,

"now

attempt to exert the same sort of inappropriate and illegal influence

over

the Internet that it did with the PC?" He was dangling the bait in front

of

the Federal Trade Commission to see if it would nibble -- all while
conveniently ignoring the fact that if there is any monopoly at work in

the

digital world these days, it is Google's absolute dominance of Internet
searches. Its market share surely equals IBM in computers, Intel in
microprocessors and, yes, Microsoft in PC operating systems at their

peaks.


Years ago on a Sunday morning news show, Bill Gates made perhaps his

most

prescient comment ever. If you look at the history of technology

companies,

he said, none have ever been able to stay at the top for long. This is
Microsoft's moment, he continued, but it won't last forever. He was

right.

If you look at Microsoft with an objective eye, it becomes apparent that

it

is a giant company past its prime. It is big and rich, but increasingly
toothless.

And that brings us to the Microsoft-Yahoo deal. For all of the

excitement,

this is just big, rich, but slow-moving giant looking to buy another
slow-moving giant, the latter having stuck to an obsolete business plan

too

long and lost its way. The scheme is less predation than it is

desperation:

In the world of search, Google owns these two lumbering monsters.

Microsoft understandably covets the sheer size of Yahoo's subscriber

rolls,

believing it can accomplish what Yahoo has failed to do: convert more of
those 130 million monthly visitors into real, paying customers. But
Microsoft has hardly shown it can do that at MSN. So, can it really find

a

solution to Yahoo's structural problems?

That remains to be seen -- and Microsoft's one genius is as a late

adopter.

The real problem Yahoo -- and perhaps soon Microsoft -- faces is that

those

legions of Yahoo users don't want to be stuck inside a small corner of

the

Web, not getting all of the experiences and services (like live TV and
first-run movies) they were promised. Especially not when they can run
around and find all of those things, in abundance, elsewhere on the Web.
Microsoft is even less prepared to solve that problem than Yahoo.

That leaves search, which is probably the real reason Microsoft wants

Yahoo.

Combining the two search engines would, in terms of sheer numbers,

represent

the biggest challenge to Google to date. But the sum of two also-rans is
almost never a winner -- unless the newly merged is very, very lucky in

its

competitors. That's what happened with HP and Compaq: Who'd have guessed
that Dell would suddenly fall on its face?

Incredibly, the same may happen with a Microsoft-Yahoo deal if it

happens.

If you look at the stock market, peruse the industry gossip blogs,

follow

the departure of key employees, or read about the various new

initiatives

(energy?) the company is pursuing, it becomes increasingly apparent that
Google is a company about to have an early midlife crisis.

Microsoft-Yahoo

may turn out to be a pedestrian idea with absolutely brilliant timing.

If that is the case, and the merger proves successful, it will have more

to

do with Google than Microsoft and Yahoo. Which is why the feds should

stay

out of it.

So, Yahoo: Take the deal (unless a better one comes along). Microsoft:

Let

this be the first of many high-risk moves. Treat Yahoo as a heart
transplant, not a skin graft. And Google: This new competition should be

a

warning to stop fooling around and get back to business.
****
Anyone see the phrase "successful monopoly" up there? Nope, not
there...ain't no such animal.


More idiocy from our own ne'er was, Dennis.

******
Note well, folks, this pre-puberty lo-com ain't got nuthin' of substance to
write about the lack of monopolies, heh, heh, heh.
Dennis


--Jeff

--
It is only those who have neither
fired a shot nor heard the shrieks
and groans of the wounded who cry
aloud for blood, more vengeance, more
desolation. War is hell.
--William Tecumseh Sherman

.



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