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"Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com" |
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28 Dec 2005 07:40:34 PM |
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NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
Until Tuesday, the NSA site created two cookie files that do not
expire until 2035 — likely beyond the life of any computer in use
today.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051228/ap_on_hi_te/spy_agency_privacy
NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers
By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer Wed Dec 28, 4:44 PM ET
NEW YORK - The National Security Agency's Internet site has been
placing files on visitors' computers that can track their Web surfing
activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
These files, known as "cookies," disappeared after a privacy activist
complained and The Associated Press made inquiries this week, and
agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy at a spy agency
already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive eavesdropping
program in the United States.
"Considering the surveillance power the NSA has, cookies are not
exactly a major concern," said Ari Schwartz, associate director at the
Center for Democracy and Technology, a privacy advocacy group in
Washington, D.C. "But it does show a general lack of understanding
about privacy rules when they are not even following the government's
very basic rules for Web privacy."
Until Tuesday, the NSA site created two cookie files that do not
expire until 2035 — likely beyond the life of any computer in use
today.
Don Weber, an NSA spokesman, said in a statement Wednesday that the
cookie use resulted from a recent software upgrade. Normally, the site
uses temporary, permissible cookies that are automatically deleted
when users close their Web browsers, he said, but the software in use
shipped with persistent cookies already on.
"After being tipped to the issue, we immediately disabled the
cookies," he said.
Cookies are widely used at commercial Web sites and can make Internet
browsing more convenient by letting sites remember user preferences.
For instance, visitors would not have to repeatedly enter passwords at
sites that require them.
But privacy advocates complain that cookies can also track Web
surfing, even if no personal information is actually collected.
In a 2003 memo, the White House's Office of Management and Budget
prohibits federal agencies from using persistent cookies — those that
aren't automatically deleted right away — unless there is a
"compelling need."
A senior official must sign off on any such use, and an agency that
uses them must disclose and detail their use in its privacy policy.
Peter Swire, a Clinton administration official who had drafted an
earlier version of the cookie guidelines, said clear notice is a must,
and `vague assertions of national security, such as exist in the NSA
policy, are not sufficient."
Daniel Brandt, a privacy activist who discovered the NSA cookies, said
mistakes happen, "but in any case, it's illegal. The (guideline)
doesn't say anything about doing it accidentally."
The Bush administration has come under fire recently over reports it
authorized NSA to secretly spy on e-mail and phone calls without court
orders.
Since The New York Times disclosed the domestic spying program earlier
this month, President Bush has stressed that his executive order
allowing the eavesdropping was limited to people with known links to
al-Qaida.
But on its Web site Friday, the Times reported that the NSA, with help
from American telecommunications companies, obtained broader access to
streams of domestic and international communications.
The NSA's cookie use is unrelated, and Weber said it was strictly to
improve the surfing experience "and not to collect personal user
data."
Richard M. Smith, a security consultant in Cambridge, Mass., questions
whether persistent cookies would even be of much use to the NSA. They
are great for news and other sites with repeat visitors, he said, but
the NSA's site does not appear to have enough fresh content to warrant
more than occasional visits.
The government first issued strict rules on cookies in 2000 after
disclosures that the White House drug policy office had used the
technology to track computer users viewing its online anti-drug
advertising. Even a year later, a congressional study found 300
cookies still on the Web sites of 23 agencies.
In 2002, the CIA removed cookies it had inadvertently placed at one of
its sites after Brandt called it to the agency's attention.
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"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
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believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
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| User: "george" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
29 Dec 2005 05:42:37 AM |
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YAWN!
GUFFAW!
Cookies, big deal.
Where's your outrage for DOUBLECLICK and FASTCLICK?
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ohf6r1ljocac6q43s47vqk9ah87mdrib5s@4ax.com...
Until Tuesday, the NSA site created two cookie files that do not
expire until 2035 - likely beyond the life of any computer in use
today.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051228/ap_on_hi_te/spy_agency_privacy
NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers
By ANICK JESDANUN, AP Internet Writer Wed Dec 28, 4:44 PM ET
NEW YORK - The National Security Agency's Internet site has been
placing files on visitors' computers that can track their Web surfing
activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
These files, known as "cookies," disappeared after a privacy activist
complained and The Associated Press made inquiries this week, and
agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy at a spy agency
already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive eavesdropping
program in the United States.
"Considering the surveillance power the NSA has, cookies are not
exactly a major concern," said Ari Schwartz, associate director at the
Center for Democracy and Technology, a privacy advocacy group in
Washington, D.C. "But it does show a general lack of understanding
about privacy rules when they are not even following the government's
very basic rules for Web privacy."
Until Tuesday, the NSA site created two cookie files that do not
expire until 2035 - likely beyond the life of any computer in use
today.
Don Weber, an NSA spokesman, said in a statement Wednesday that the
cookie use resulted from a recent software upgrade. Normally, the site
uses temporary, permissible cookies that are automatically deleted
when users close their Web browsers, he said, but the software in use
shipped with persistent cookies already on.
"After being tipped to the issue, we immediately disabled the
cookies," he said.
Cookies are widely used at commercial Web sites and can make Internet
browsing more convenient by letting sites remember user preferences.
For instance, visitors would not have to repeatedly enter passwords at
sites that require them.
But privacy advocates complain that cookies can also track Web
surfing, even if no personal information is actually collected.
In a 2003 memo, the White House's Office of Management and Budget
prohibits federal agencies from using persistent cookies - those that
aren't automatically deleted right away - unless there is a
"compelling need."
A senior official must sign off on any such use, and an agency that
uses them must disclose and detail their use in its privacy policy.
Peter Swire, a Clinton administration official who had drafted an
earlier version of the cookie guidelines, said clear notice is a must,
and `vague assertions of national security, such as exist in the NSA
policy, are not sufficient."
Daniel Brandt, a privacy activist who discovered the NSA cookies, said
mistakes happen, "but in any case, it's illegal. The (guideline)
doesn't say anything about doing it accidentally."
The Bush administration has come under fire recently over reports it
authorized NSA to secretly spy on e-mail and phone calls without court
orders.
Since The New York Times disclosed the domestic spying program earlier
this month, President Bush has stressed that his executive order
allowing the eavesdropping was limited to people with known links to
al-Qaida.
But on its Web site Friday, the Times reported that the NSA, with help
from American telecommunications companies, obtained broader access to
streams of domestic and international communications.
The NSA's cookie use is unrelated, and Weber said it was strictly to
improve the surfing experience "and not to collect personal user
data."
Richard M. Smith, a security consultant in Cambridge, Mass., questions
whether persistent cookies would even be of much use to the NSA. They
are great for news and other sites with repeat visitors, he said, but
the NSA's site does not appear to have enough fresh content to warrant
more than occasional visits.
The government first issued strict rules on cookies in 2000 after
disclosures that the White House drug policy office had used the
technology to track computer users viewing its online anti-drug
advertising. Even a year later, a congressional study found 300
cookies still on the Web sites of 23 agencies.
In 2002, the CIA removed cookies it had inadvertently placed at one of
its sites after Brandt called it to the agency's attention.
+
"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw
Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html
The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html
Listen to some neo-Flamenco guitar by Johnny Asia:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2126299
NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy,
scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107
.
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| User: "Foxtrot" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
29 Dec 2005 09:11:52 PM |
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
YAWN!
GUFFAW!
Cookies, big deal.
I got a hearty bellylaugh out of this too. It's a perfect example of
how liberal pansies like Johnny Assa will whine about *anything*,
no matter how benign it is.
Where's your outrage for DOUBLECLICK and FASTCLICK?
I just looked at my browser's cookie manager and saw a couple
of them from johnkerry.com. I forget why I went to that website,
no doubt it was to find material to mock libs about. If cookies are
so terrible, why does ketchup boy use them on his site, Johnny
Asswipe?
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051228/ap_on_hi_te/spy_agency_privacy
NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers
NEW YORK - The National Security Agency's Internet site has been
placing files on visitors' computers that can track their Web surfing
activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
These files, known as "cookies," disappeared after a privacy activist
complained and The Associated Press made inquiries this week, and
agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy at a spy agency
already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive eavesdropping
program in the United States.
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
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| User: "W, Afraid of Military Moms" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
29 Dec 2005 09:23:24 PM |
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Foxtrot wrote:
"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
YAWN!
GUFFAW!
Cookies, big deal.
I got a hearty bellylaugh out of this too. It's a perfect example of
how liberal pansies like Johnny Assa will whine about *anything*,
no matter how benign it is.
Where's your outrage for DOUBLECLICK and FASTCLICK?
I just looked at my browser's cookie manager and saw a couple
of them from johnkerry.com. I forget why I went to that website,
no doubt it was to find material to mock libs about. If cookies are
so terrible, why does ketchup boy use them on his site, Johnny
Asswipe?
"Johnny Asia" <poki_pongo at yahoo.com> wrote
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051228/ap_on_hi_te/spy_agency_privacy
NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers
NEW YORK - The National Security Agency's Internet site has been
placing files on visitors' computers that can track their Web surfing
activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.
These files, known as "cookies," disappeared after a privacy activist
complained and The Associated Press made inquiries this week, and
agency officials acknowledged Wednesday they had made a mistake.
Nonetheless, the issue raises questions about privacy at a spy agency
already on the defensive amid reports of a secretive eavesdropping
program in the United States.
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
Not the ones from the NSA.
You stupid piece of *****.
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| User: "Foxtrot" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
29 Dec 2005 10:35:10 PM |
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"W, Afraid of Military Moms" <chokinthe_cheese@yahoo.com> wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
Not the ones from the NSA.
You stupid piece of *****.
Are you suggesting that the NSA can bypass browser settings?
Sounds like your tin foil hat's on too tight!
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| User: "2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 08:06:11 AM |
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:35:10 -0800, Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote:
"W, Afraid of Military Moms" <chokinthe_cheese@yahoo.com> wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
Not the ones from the NSA.
You stupid piece of *****.
Are you suggesting that the NSA can bypass browser settings?
Sounds like your tin foil hat's on too tight!
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Period.
But then, you think only Democrats need to obey the law. You're above
all that *****, right?
--
"'I’m not meeting with that goddamned *****,' Bush screamed at aides
who suggested he meet with Cindy Sheehan, the war-protesting mother
whose son died in Iraq. 'She can go to hell as far as I’m concerned!'"
--Putsch, a decompensating drunk
"Grover Norquist couldn't drown the government, so he drowned New Orleans instead."
Not dead, in jail, or a slave? Thank a liberal!
Pay your taxes so the rich don't have to.
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| User: "george" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 01:45:07 PM |
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"2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution" <zepp2169#2211finestplanet.com@>
wrote in message news:flfar116pl8lus2k6uls0gbc8ha8dn325h@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:35:10 -0800, Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote:
"W, Afraid of Military Moms" <chokinthe_cheese@yahoo.com> wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
Not the ones from the NSA.
You stupid piece of *****.
Are you suggesting that the NSA can bypass browser settings?
Sounds like your tin foil hat's on too tight!
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Cite?
Period.
Ya, sure.
But then, you think only Democrats need to obey the law.
It'd be NICE if you democraps start doing that, yes.
You're above
all that *****, right?
Yep.
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 02:05:03 PM |
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"george" <nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote in message
news:dp42o6$r36$0@pita.alt.net...
"2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution" <zepp2169#2211finestplanet.com@>
wrote in message news:flfar116pl8lus2k6uls0gbc8ha8dn325h@4ax.com...
On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:35:10 -0800, Foxtrot <foxtrot@null.com> wrote:
"W, Afraid of Military Moms" <chokinthe_cheese@yahoo.com> wrote:
Foxtrot wrote:
BFD. If they want to spy on people, they have much greater
ways to do it than cookies. Besides, most browsers allow users
to disable cookies altogether.
Not the ones from the NSA.
You stupid piece of *****.
Are you suggesting that the NSA can bypass browser settings?
Sounds like your tin foil hat's on too tight!
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Cite?
Earlier in this thread. Look it up.
Larry
Period.
Ya, sure.
But then, you think only Democrats need to obey the law.
It'd be NICE if you democraps start doing that, yes.
You're above
all that *****, right?
Yep.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 02:02:10 PM |
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In news:dp42o6$r36$0@pita.alt.net "george"
<nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
"2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution"
<zepp2169#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote in message
news:flfar116pl8lus2k6uls0gbc8ha8dn325h@4ax.com...
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Cite?
Not law, but binding policy:
OMB M-00-13
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES
Because of the unique laws and traditions about government access to
citizens' personal information, the presumption should be that "cookies"
will not be used at Federal web sites. Under this new Federal policy,
"cookies" should not be used at Federal web sites, or by contractors
when operating web sites on behalf of agencies, unless, in addition to
clear and conspicuous notice, the following conditions are met: a
compelling need to gather the data on the site; appropriate and publicly
disclosed privacy safeguards for handling of information derived from
"cookies"; and personal approval by the head of the agency.
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "george" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 02:43:32 PM |
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"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns973C8ECA74007VeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
In news:dp42o6$r36$0@pita.alt.net "george"
<nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
"2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution"
<zepp2169#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote in message
news:flfar116pl8lus2k6uls0gbc8ha8dn325h@4ax.com...
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Cite?
Not law, but binding policy:
GAME SET AND MATCH TO ME.
OMB M-00-13
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES
Because of the unique laws and traditions about government access to
citizens' personal information, the presumption should be that "cookies"
will not be used at Federal web sites. Under this new Federal policy,
"cookies" should not be used at Federal web sites, or by contractors
when operating web sites on behalf of agencies, unless, in addition to
clear and conspicuous notice, the following conditions are met: a
compelling need to gather the data on the site; appropriate and publicly
disclosed privacy safeguards for handling of information derived from
"cookies"; and personal approval by the head of the agency.
Personally, I think cookies should be outlawed entirely. So I suppress
them except for sites in my "trusted list."
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 02:57:39 PM |
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In news:dp465k$asr$0@pita.alt.net "george"
<nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
Personally, I think cookies should be outlawed entirely. So I
suppress them except for sites in my "trusted list."
Since you're able to avoid them so easily, and they have so many
legitimate uses, why do you want the government to intrude and outlaw
them?
Do you ->really want the government making this sort of decision for
you?
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@iphouse.com
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| User: "2175 Dead, 89 since Hunter resolution" |
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| Title: Re: NSA Web Site Puts 'Cookies' on Computers, "Mistake" |
30 Dec 2005 03:46:45 PM |
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 14:43:32 -0600, "george"
<nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
"Bert Hyman" <bert@iphouse.com> wrote in message
news:Xns973C8ECA74007VeebleFetzer@216.250.184.7...
In news:dp42o6$r36$0@pita.alt.net "george"
<nospam@libby-dem-buttkicker.com> wrote:
"2169 Dead, 83 since Hunter resolution"
<zepp2169#2211finestplanet.com@> wrote in message
news:flfar116pl8lus2k6uls0gbc8ha8dn325h@4ax.com...
The NSA was forbidden by law from setting cookies.
Cite?
Not law, but binding policy:
GAME SET AND MATCH TO ME.
OK, binding policy it is.
So you don't believe the administration -- already under fire for
contempt of law -- needs to even follow its own rules?
OMB M-00-13
MEMORANDUM FOR THE HEADS OF EXECUTIVE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES
Because of the unique laws and traditions about government access to
citizens' personal information, the presumption should be that "cookies"
will not be used at Federal web sites. Under this new Federal policy,
"cookies" should not be used at Federal web sites, or by contractors
when operating web sites on behalf of agencies, unless, in addition to
clear and conspicuous notice, the following conditions are met: a
compelling need to gather the data on the site; appropriate and publicly
disclosed privacy safeguards for handling of information derived from
"cookies"; and personal approval by the head of the agency.
Personally, I think cookies should be outlawed entirely. So I suppress
them except for sites in my "trusted list."
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