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"Harry Hope" |
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15 Oct 2005 09:49:15 AM |
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Republicans flounder like a school of beached whales |
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as a
whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't help
thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this patch
of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican government,
but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before that calamity,
had angered House Republicans who concluded that the "Hammer's"
leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather be
ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination, and
they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's refusal
to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public doesn't
agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent describing
themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as pro-life, roughly the
same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
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15 Oct 2005 12:15:09 PM |
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as a
whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't help
thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this patch
of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican government,
but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before that calamity,
had angered House Republicans who concluded that the "Hammer's"
leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather be
ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination, and
they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's refusal
to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public doesn't
agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent describing
themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as pro-life, roughly the
same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is that
there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our politicians have
become small minded, self centered men incapable of formulating the
necessary major ideas our troubled society needs. Now when the time seems
perfect for a Democrat to stand up and stand out with an uplifting and
unifying message none are to be found. Damn shame, but it looks like
this country has not one man able to articulate a moderate course out of
the quagmire Bush and his crappy little administration has built.
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| User: "Sid See" |
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15 Oct 2005 12:55:14 PM |
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Chief <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as a
whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't help
thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this patch
of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican government,
but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before that calamity,
had angered House Republicans who concluded that the "Hammer's"
leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather be
ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination, and
they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's refusal
to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public doesn't
agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent describing
themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as pro-life, roughly the
same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is that
there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our politicians have
become small minded, self centered men incapable of formulating the
necessary major ideas our troubled society needs. Now when the time seems
perfect for a Democrat to stand up and stand out with an uplifting and
unifying message none are to be found. Damn shame, but it looks like
this country has not one man able to articulate a moderate course out of
the quagmire Bush and his crappy little administration has built.
Next year the Dems will have a chance
to crumble the clay feet this admin stands
on-- at the polls... and in 3 years, a chance
to oust this Repugnant leadership.
I hardly think this is the time for Dem pres.
hopefuls to raise their heads, only to get
them smeared with Repug feces.
~S
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| User: "Chief" |
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15 Oct 2005 04:22:42 PM |
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"Sid See" <sidsee@faux.not> wrote in
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Chief <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on
issues, when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree
about the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of
Terri Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as
a whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't
help thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this
patch of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to
open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican
government, but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before
that calamity, had angered House Republicans who concluded that the
"Hammer's" leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather
be ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination,
and they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's
refusal to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public
doesn't agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent
describing themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as
pro-life, roughly the same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is
that there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our
politicians have become small minded, self centered men incapable of
formulating the necessary major ideas our troubled society needs. Now
when the time seems perfect for a Democrat to stand up and stand out
with an uplifting and unifying message none are to be found. Damn
shame, but it looks like this country has not one man able to
articulate a moderate course out of the quagmire Bush and his crappy
little administration has built.
Next year the Dems will have a chance
to crumble the clay feet this admin stands
on-- at the polls... and in 3 years, a chance
to oust this Repugnant leadership.
I hardly think this is the time for Dem pres.
hopefuls to raise their heads, only to get
them smeared with Repug feces.
~S
I don't know how others feel, but I'd appriciate a man who stands up at
the right time and not at the correct time.
I'd appriciate a man who's ideas are larger than his ego and who's reach
is farther than the nearest dollar.
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| User: "Sid See" |
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15 Oct 2005 05:56:30 PM |
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Chief <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message
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"Sid See" <sidsee@faux.not> wrote in
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Chief <Chief@polyglot.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on
issues, when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree
about the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of
Terri Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as
a whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't
help thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this
patch of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to
open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican
government, but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before
that calamity, had angered House Republicans who concluded that the
"Hammer's" leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather
be ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination,
and they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's
refusal to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public
doesn't agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent
describing themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as
pro-life, roughly the same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is
that there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our
politicians have become small minded, self centered men incapable of
formulating the necessary major ideas our troubled society needs. Now
when the time seems perfect for a Democrat to stand up and stand out
with an uplifting and unifying message none are to be found. Damn
shame, but it looks like this country has not one man able to
articulate a moderate course out of the quagmire Bush and his crappy
little administration has built.
Next year the Dems will have a chance
to crumble the clay feet this admin stands
on-- at the polls... and in 3 years, a chance
to oust this Repugnant leadership.
I hardly think this is the time for Dem pres.
hopefuls to raise their heads, only to get
them smeared with Repug feces.
~S
I don't know how others feel, but I'd appriciate a man who stands up at
the right time and not at the correct time.
I'd appriciate a man who's ideas are larger than his ego and who's reach
is farther than the nearest dollar.
That's a good start :)
~S
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15 Oct 2005 05:53:18 PM |
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Chief wrote:
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is that
there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our politicians have
become small minded, self centered men incapable of formulating the
necessary major ideas our troubled society needs.
I disagree. They are whores that are bought by lobbyists. Whores that
don't give a damn about their job, their main concernt is to line their
pockets from the graft and corruption that accompanies the job.
Take a look at the party in charge. There isn't a dignified one in the
bunch. Not a one with the dignity. Mostly they're all mini-Delays and
Pombos. They let the lobbyists write the laws since they are too busy
collecting money from the lobbyists.
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15 Oct 2005 06:34:22 PM |
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Salad <oil@vinegar.com> wrote in message
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Chief wrote:
The Republicans always self destruct but what may be the problem is that
there are no men worth a damn in either party. All our politicians have
become small minded, self centered men incapable of formulating the
necessary major ideas our troubled society needs.
I disagree. They are whores that are bought by lobbyists. Whores that
don't give a damn about their job, their main concernt is to line their
pockets from the graft and corruption that accompanies the job.
Take a look at the party in charge. There isn't a dignified one in the
bunch. Not a one with the dignity. Mostly they're all mini-Delays and
Pombos. They let the lobbyists write the laws since they are too busy
collecting money from the lobbyists.
Unfortunately, there are whores of both
persuasions-- it's just that there's one
helluva lot more of them in the bible-
thumpin' good ol' boy's club.
There's a few Dem's I'd like to see get
booted out on their greedy asses as well...
pro-insurance toady, Lieber-boy tops that
list! Perhaps he's one reason Gore lost--
no one respects a gutless, whiney wimp!
~S
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15 Oct 2005 12:43:29 PM |
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
....or gun control, or global warming,or the Endangered
Species Act, or logging in National Parks, or occupying
Iraq, or torturing prisoners, or the Patriot Act, or
cancelling abortion rights, or Bush's "guest worker" idea,
or what a heck of a job "Brownie" was doing.......
Mitchell Holman
"To preserve the peace my country believes war is necessary."
Bush press secretary and undersecretary of state Karen Hughes,
speaking to a women's group in Turkey, 9/28/05
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15 Oct 2005 02:14:59 PM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
....or gun control, or global warming,or the Endangered
Species Act, or logging in National Parks, or occupying
Iraq, or torturing prisoners, or the Patriot Act, or
cancelling abortion rights, or Bush's "guest worker" idea,
or what a heck of a job "Brownie" was doing.......
.... and don't forget the hemmhorraging budget deficit, exploding trade
deficit, stagnation of real wages for 80% of the country, Gilded-Age style
wealth inequality, growing resentment of America abroad, no progress on
improving world trade...
Anyone else got anything?
Mitchell Holman
"To preserve the peace my country believes war is necessary."
Bush press secretary and undersecretary of state Karen Hughes,
speaking to a women's group in Turkey, 9/28/05
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nganga <gubo@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:Wb6dnWck8PKqyMzeRVn-tQ@adelphia.com...
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:tn52l15a1i6ptn58fin6i9f520arocbh0t@4ax.com:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
....or gun control, or global warming,or the Endangered
Species Act, or logging in National Parks, or occupying
Iraq, or torturing prisoners, or the Patriot Act, or
cancelling abortion rights, or Bush's "guest worker" idea,
or what a heck of a job "Brownie" was doing.......
... and don't forget the hemmhorraging budget deficit, exploding trade
deficit, stagnation of real wages for 80% of the country, Gilded-Age style
wealth inequality, growing resentment of America abroad, no progress on
improving world trade...
Anyone else got anything?
Rather than focusing on the bad, perhaps
we should be looking for the good... er...
um... um... oh, forget it!
~S
Mitchell Holman
"To preserve the peace my country believes war is necessary."
Bush press secretary and undersecretary of state Karen Hughes,
speaking to a women's group in Turkey, 9/28/05
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15 Oct 2005 02:44:47 PM |
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:49:15 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
The Republicans behave as if the country agrees with them on issues,
when that demonstrably isn't so.
The country doesn't agree about Social Security, doesn't agree about
the ethical issues that were dramatized by the torment of Terri
Schiavo, doesn't agree about abortion.
Principles are a fine thing, but a narrow, partisan definition of
principle has led the Republicans to a dead end.
Their inability to transcend their base and speak to the country as a
whole is now painfully obvious.
From The International Herald Tribune, 10/15/05:
http://www.iht.com/getina/files/282301.html
Republicans flounder into a post-Bush era
David Ignatius
Beirut
Watching the Republicans floundering over the past week, I can't help
thinking of a school of beached whales.
The leviathans of the GOP have boldly swum themselves onto this patch
of dry sand, and it won't be easy for them to get back to open ocean.
The Republicans come to their present troubles from different
directions:
President George W. Bush thought he was making a safe, pragmatic
choice in nominating Harriet Miers to the Supreme Court, but this
soulless maneuver enraged the party's right wing and set it on a
fratricidal binge.
Tom DeLay thought he was ramrodding a permanent Republican government,
but he managed to get himself indicted and, well before that calamity,
had angered House Republicans who concluded that the "Hammer's"
leadership style was marching them off a cliff.
Looming over all these little problems is the nightmare of Iraq.
What's interesting to me is that most of these wounds are
self-inflicted.
They draw a picture of a party that, for all its seeming dominance,
isn't prepared to be the nation's governing party.
The hard right, which is the soul of the modern GOP, would rather be
ideologically pure than successful.
Governing requires making compromises and occasionally getting your
hands dirty, but the conservative purists disdain those qualities.
They swim for that beach with a fiercely misguided determination, and
they demand that the other whales accompany them.
The bickering over the Miers nomination epitomizes the right's refusal
to assume the role of a majoritarian governing party.
The awkward fact for conservatives is that the American public doesn't
agree with them on abortion rights.
A CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll in late August found 54 percent describing
themselves as pro-choice, and only 38 percent as pro-life, roughly the
same percentages as a decade ago.
___________________________________________________________
The Grand Old Party of beached whales.
Harry
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