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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
"This is a slap in the face to all brave service men and women and
their families," DeMint said in a prepared statement. "The First
Amendment gives the City of Berkeley the right to be idiotic, but from
now on they should do it with their own money."
"If the city can't show respect for the Marines that have fought, bled
and died for their freedom, Berkeley should not be receiving special
taxpayer-funded handouts," he added.
In the meantime, a senior Marine official tells FOX News that the
Marine office in Berkeley isn't going anywhere.
"We understand things are different there, but some people just don't
get it. This is a part of the military machine that gives them the
right to do what they do, but what they are doing is extreme," the
official said.
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USMC Not Wanted? DeMint said he will draft legislation to rescind any
earmarks dedicated for the City of Berkeley in the recently passed
appropriations bill -- which his office tallied to value about $2.1
million. He said that any money taken back would be transferred to the
Marines.
DeMint's office provided a preliminary list of items that would be
subject to his proposal:
-- $975,000 for the University of California at Berkeley, for the
Matsui Center for Politics and Public Service, which may include
establishing an endowment, and for cataloguing the papers of
Congressman Robert Matsui.
-- $750,000 for the Berkeley/Albana ferry service.
-- $243,000 for the Chez Panisse Foundation, for a school lunch
initiative to integrate lessons about wellness, sustainability and
nutrition into the academic curriculum.
-- $94,000 for a Berkeley public safety interoperability program.
-- $87,000 for the Berkeley Unified School District, nutrition
education program.
The Marine official, speaking with FOX News on Friday, said Marine
Commandant Gen. James Conway scoffed at the news, but there are no
plans for to protest the City Council's decisions. There are
definitely no plans to move the recruiting station either.
"To actually put something into law that encourages the disruption of
a federal office is ridiculous. They are not going to kick a federal
office out of its rightful place there, and this is not going to
discourage those young patriots who want to be Marines," the official
said.
The Berkeley City Council this week voted to tell the Marines their
downtown recruiting station is not welcome and "if recruiters choose
to stay, they do so as uninvited and unwelcome guests," according to
The Associated Press.
The council also voted to explore whether a city anti-discrimination
law applies to the Marines, with a focus on the military's "don't ask,
don't tell" policy that prevents open homosexuality in the military.
The council also voted to give the antiwar group Code Pink a parking
space in front of the recruiting office once a week for six months, as
well as a protest permit.
The Marine recruiting office in Berkeley has been open for about one
year, but has been the subject of recent protests by Code Pink
members.
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01 Feb 2008 01:34:07 PM |
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"Capitalist Pig" <cochon-capitaliste@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
the retarded, hair brained ***** ***** seems to have forgotten that
losing,failing, hillbilly fuckups and war criminals don't have a lot of
credibility left,
back to the men's room stalls for this piece of *****,
LMAO,
South Carolina ?
home of confederate sissies, fat ***** goobers, child molesters,wife,child and
sheep abusing hillbillies ?
surely you jest
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01 Feb 2008 03:04:25 PM |
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On Feb 1, 11:34 am, "Robbing Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com>
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"Capitalist Pig" <cochon-capitali...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
the retarded, hair brained ***** ***** seems to have forgotten that
losing,failing, hillbilly fuckups and war criminals don't have a lot of
credibility left,
back to the men's room stalls for this piece of *****,
LMAO,
South Carolina ?
home of confederate sissies, fat ***** goobers, child molesters,wife,child and
sheep abusing hillbillies ?
surely you jest
Ah, I See! Free speech is only tolerated without invective in
Berkeley if one agrees to stay on the left side of the road.
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02 Feb 2008 12:19:14 AM |
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On Feb 1, 11:34 am, "Robbing Gator" <A...@CrocsBiteaBillyToday.com>
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"Capitalist Pig" <cochon-capitali...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
the retarded, hair brained ***** ***** seems to have forgotten that
losing,failing, hillbilly fuckups and war criminals don't have a lot of
credibility left,
back to the men's room stalls for this piece of *****,
LMAO,
South Carolina ?
home of confederate sissies, fat ***** goobers, child molesters,wife,child
and
sheep abusing hillbillies ?
surely you jest
Ah, I See! Free speech is only tolerated without invective in
Berkeley if one agrees to stay on the left side of the road.
why would you say something that stupid,
UNLESS,
you're one of the brain damaged,retarded, losing,failing, hillbilly fuckups
who is rapidly
descending into obscurity because of your unenlightened philosophy,
hell gomer, that philosophy hasn't seen the light of day since 1860
how about this goober :
they don't want America's young people to be turned into deranged,
pathological,psychopathic,
child raping,baby and serial killing hillbillies
so tell us ; what is the reason that wealthy republicon war supporters avoid
the recruiters like the plaque or the revenooers ?
and if they're doing it why can't Berkley, think they're special ?
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| User: "AndyS" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Senator Wants to Revoke Funding From City of Berkeley,Calif., for Vote to Boot Marines |
01 Feb 2008 03:21:02 PM |
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
Friday, February 01, 2008
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
Andy writes:
If the protest was done legally, it is not Constitutionally correct
that the
government can take any punitive action, as it is an abridgment of
free
speech by the government.
As many people can be ***** by the protest as want to be, and
they
can withold their shopping, patronage, or do counter protests because
they
are dissatisfied with the anti-Marine people. However, the GOVERNMENT
can take no action unles a law was broken.
I suggest the South Carolina poobah stop trying to grab headlines
at
the expense of his own credibility..... I really think there ought to
be some
sort of educational requirements before people can run for
office.......
Reminds me of a Texas congressman who, when learning of the
murders on the Mexican border by the devil woshipping drug pushers
a dozen years ago ,tried to introduce a bill to ban " all religious
rites "........
I am sure he was a good Baptist.... :>)))))
Andy in Eureka, Texas
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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01 Feb 2008 06:28:44 PM |
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"AndyS" <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote in message
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
Friday, February 01, 2008
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
Andy writes:
If the protest was done legally, it is not Constitutionally correct
that the
government can take any punitive action, as it is an abridgment of
free
speech by the government.
As many people can be ***** by the protest as want to be, and
they
can withold their shopping, patronage, or do counter protests because
they
are dissatisfied with the anti-Marine people. However, the GOVERNMENT
can take no action unles a law was broken.
And what would you say if the Federal Government (which apparently one
member of Congress is trying to do) "punishes" Berkely by not giving them
money? "If" Berkeley had another big fire, like the one that they had a
long time ago, would they refuse aid from the military because they do not
approve of our military?
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| User: "mg" |
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| Title: Re: U.S. Senator Wants to Revoke Funding From City of Berkeley,Calif., for Vote to Boot Marines |
01 Feb 2008 09:46:47 PM |
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On Feb 1, 5:28 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"AndyS" <andysha...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
Friday, February 01, 2008
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
Andy writes:
If the protest was done legally, it is not Constitutionally correct
that the
government can take any punitive action, as it is an abridgment of
free
speech by the government.
As many people can be ***** by the protest as want to be, and
they
can withold their shopping, patronage, or do counter protests because
they
are dissatisfied with the anti-Marine people. However, the GOVERNMENT
can take no action unles a law was broken.
And what would you say if the Federal Government (which apparently one
member of Congress is trying to do) "punishes" Berkely by not giving them
money? "If" Berkeley had another big fire, like the one that they had a
long time ago, would they refuse aid from the military because they do not
approve of our military?
That would raise an interesting constitutional question. The federal
government is, of course, allowed to award grants to various cities
and states anyway it wants to. But can it use that power to overtly
punish behavior it doesn't agree with?
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| User: "Jerry Okamura" |
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02 Feb 2008 12:34:21 PM |
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"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 1, 5:28 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
"AndyS" <andysha...@juno.com> wrote in message
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Capitalist Pig wrote:
Friday, February 01, 2008
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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of
Berkeley,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
Andy writes:
If the protest was done legally, it is not Constitutionally correct
that the
government can take any punitive action, as it is an abridgment of
free
speech by the government.
As many people can be ***** by the protest as want to be, and
they
can withold their shopping, patronage, or do counter protests because
they
are dissatisfied with the anti-Marine people. However, the GOVERNMENT
can take no action unles a law was broken.
And what would you say if the Federal Government (which apparently one
member of Congress is trying to do) "punishes" Berkely by not giving them
money? "If" Berkeley had another big fire, like the one that they had a
long time ago, would they refuse aid from the military because they do
not
approve of our military?
That would raise an interesting constitutional question. The federal
government is, of course, allowed to award grants to various cities
and states anyway it wants to. But can it use that power to overtly
punish behavior it doesn't agree with?
I think the answer to that question is YES. They do it all the time.
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| User: "Joan F \MI" |
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02 Feb 2008 04:39:58 PM |
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It does all the time. States who didn't lower their highway speed limits a
few years ago didn't get any federal highway funds. Schools who don't
follow the no child left behind rules don't get federal funds.
mg wrote:
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| User: "AndyS" |
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02 Feb 2008 06:42:00 PM |
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Joan F (MI) wrote:
It does all the time. States who didn't lower their highway speed limits a
few years ago didn't get any federal highway funds. Schools who don't
follow the no child left behind rules don't get federal funds.
Andy writes:
Sure, but those things were not done as punishment against things
protected
by the Constitution.
"Free Speech" is a big deal, when the government gets involved....
It is also a big deal when it pisses off your neighbors, or local
storekeepers,
but their "sanctions" aren't illegal... They are private entities that
have emotions,
and the right to exercise them, within reason.
You can call Bush a ***** on this newsgroup, and not have
to worry
about going to prison. But if you do it in my house, and Joanie will
make you leave.....
However, I can call him a ***** as many times as I want.
THAT is the meaning of the Constitiution......
It protects us from tyranny....... not from our own lack of good
taste...
Andy in Eureka, Texas
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03 Feb 2008 11:02:14 AM |
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On Feb 2, 3:39 pm, "Joan F \(MI\)" <jjf...@removethisameritech.net>
wrote:
It does all the time. States who didn't lower their highway speed limits a
few years ago didn't get any federal highway funds. Schools who don't
follow the no child left behind rules don't get federal funds.
You and Jerry might be right. I just don't know. Suppose, for
instance, that Puritan county in Southern California passes an
ordinance that says there can be no Planned Parenthood facilities
within it's jurisdiction and forces the existing ones to leave.
Now suppose that a Democratically controlled White House and Congress
passes a law, in retaliation, withdrawing all federal highway funds
for that county. On the one hand, I think maybe that could do it, but
on the other hand, I'm not sure that some constitutional lawyers might
not find some grounds saying they couldn't.
In any case, it would certainly be an interesting and entertaining
situation. Here's another question. Suppose that instead of
withdrawing highway funds, they raised the federal income taxes for
people in that county. Would that be legal?
mg wrote:
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| government is, of course, allowed to award grants to various cities
| and states anyway it wants to. But can it use that power to overtly
| punish behavior it doesn't agree with?
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03 Feb 2008 12:24:03 PM |
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"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Feb 2, 3:39 pm, "Joan F \(MI\)" <jjf...@removethisameritech.net>
wrote:
It does all the time. States who didn't lower their highway speed limits
a
few years ago didn't get any federal highway funds. Schools who don't
follow the no child left behind rules don't get federal funds.
You and Jerry might be right. I just don't know. Suppose, for
instance, that Puritan county in Southern California passes an
ordinance that says there can be no Planned Parenthood facilities
within it's jurisdiction and forces the existing ones to leave.
Now suppose that a Democratically controlled White House and Congress
passes a law, in retaliation, withdrawing all federal highway funds
for that county. On the one hand, I think maybe that could do it, but
on the other hand, I'm not sure that some constitutional lawyers might
not find some grounds saying they couldn't.
In any case, it would certainly be an interesting and entertaining
situation. Here's another question. Suppose that instead of
withdrawing highway funds, they raised the federal income taxes for
people in that county. Would that be legal?
I would think that runs up against the equal protection clause of the
sonstitution down't it?
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| Title: Re: U.S. Senator Wants to Revoke Funding From City of Berkeley,Calif., for Vote to Boot Marines |
03 Feb 2008 09:32:51 PM |
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mg wrote:
You and Jerry might be right. I just don't know. Suppose, for
instance, that Puritan county in Southern California passes an
ordinance that says there can be no Planned Parenthood facilities
within it's jurisdiction and forces the existing ones to leave.
Andy writes:
Any group that can "pass a law" is government. Government can't
pass
a law prohibiting any activity that is protected by the
Constitution. Your
hypothetical example would be challenged in court by the ACLU and
overturned.
There is a difference between "passing a law" and declaring that an
organization is "not welcome".....
As far as I know, the only thing that has been done is to read into
the
town record that the Marine Recruiting Station is "not welcome", or
some such. It is their right to speak their mind , but not to pass
laws
prohibiting the activity. Remember, violating a law carries some sort
of punishment, and I'd like to see them try to put some Marine
recruiters in jail.... They would have to also charge the Sec of
Defense, who ordered the station put there,.... or at least was
responsible for it...... Let's not get into the hypothetical
ridiculous.....
No, let'em scream.....I don't know why this crap even made the
national news..... Probly a very very very slow news day...... Purely
a local matter, in my opinion. If they don't recruit anybody because
nobody in the area wants to join the Marines, they'll probly close up
and leave on their own....... On the other hand, if they get regular
recruits to sign up, it means that they have the support of the part
of the community that matters to them...
Andy in Eureka, Texas
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04 Feb 2008 10:57:54 AM |
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"AndyS" <andysharpe@juno.com> wrote in message
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mg wrote:
You and Jerry might be right. I just don't know. Suppose, for
instance, that Puritan county in Southern California passes an
ordinance that says there can be no Planned Parenthood facilities
within it's jurisdiction and forces the existing ones to leave.
Andy writes:
Any group that can "pass a law" is government. Government can't
pass
a law prohibiting any activity that is protected by the
Constitution. Your
hypothetical example would be challenged in court by the ACLU and
overturned.
There is a difference between "passing a law" and declaring that an
organization is "not welcome".....
As far as I know, the only thing that has been done is to read into
the
town record that the Marine Recruiting Station is "not welcome", or
some such. It is their right to speak their mind , but not to pass
laws
prohibiting the activity.
Good point!!!
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02 Feb 2008 03:20:21 PM |
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On Feb 1, 3:21=A0pm, AndyS <andysha...@juno.com> wrote:
Capitalist Pig wrote:
Friday, February 01, 2008
=A0E-Mail Respond Print Share:
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WASHINGTON -- =A0U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint, R-S.C., says the City of Berkeley=
,
Calif., no longer deserves federal money.
DeMint was angered after learning that the Berkeley City Council voted
this week to tell the U.S. Marine Corps to remove its recruiting
station from the city's downtown.
Andy writes:
=A0 If the protest was done legally, it is not Constitutionally correct
that the
government can take any punitive action, as it is an abridgment of
free
speech by the government.
=A0 As many people can be ***** by the protest as want to be, and
they
can withold their shopping, patronage, or do counter protests because
they
are dissatisfied with the anti-Marine people. =A0However, the GOVERNMENT
can take no action unles a law was broken.
=A0 =A0I suggest the South Carolina poobah stop trying to grab headlines
at
the expense of his own credibility..... =A0I really think there ought to
be some
sort of educational requirements before people can run for
office.......
=A0 =A0Reminds me of a Texas congressman who, when learning of the
murders on the Mexican border by the devil woshipping drug pushers
a dozen years ago ,tried to introduce a bill to ban " all religious
rites "........
I am sure he was a good Baptist.... =A0 :>)))))
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Andy in Eureka, Texas
I think if all Berkley citizens and businesses were then not required
to pay federal taxes they might come out ahead. Could the economists
get to work on this? Toci
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