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"J Young" |
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13 Feb 2005 03:18:08 PM |
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Abortion and Social Security |
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not
be there.
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble, I
wonder if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might
have averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but
they would've helped immensely.
For those of us who believe abortion is the taking of an innocent life,
the tragedy is not financial, but the lives that are being snuffed out.
We agree that Social Security was founded on a faulty premise, the
taxing of current workers to pay benefits to workers already retired.
Clearly, this money has never been "saved" for the future, but spent by
the government on other programs.
Politicians can scream and posture all they like, but the fundamental
reality is that the program has been heading for bankruptcy for many
years, only no one would admit it until now. And abortion is helping to
speed up the inevitable shipwreck.
Like the Bible says, we will be reaping what we have sown.
* not original author
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 07:44:41 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not
be there.
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble, I
wonder if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might
have averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but
they would've helped immensely.
For those of us who believe abortion is the taking of an innocent life,
the tragedy is not financial, but the lives that are being snuffed out.
We agree that Social Security was founded on a faulty premise, the
taxing of current workers to pay benefits to workers already retired.
Clearly, this money has never been "saved" for the future, but spent by
the government on other programs.
Politicians can scream and posture all they like, but the fundamental
reality is that the program has been heading for bankruptcy for many
years, only no one would admit it until now. And abortion is helping to
speed up the inevitable shipwreck.
Like the Bible says, we will be reaping what we have sown.
* not original author
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| User: "chrisT" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 11:25:16 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:44:41 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
First of all abortion is not new, it used to be done by quacks
with a coat hanger often resulting in the deaths of the pregnant
mother to be. Legalizing it made it possible to do so without the risk
of death.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not
be there.
There might be a lot less of these numbers contributing than you
think. Many abortions are performed to remove a fetus that would not
be a viable healthy adult any way and may have been a lifelong draw on
SS rather than a contributor.
Secondly, unwanted children are seldom treated humanely anyway and
end up as serial killers and criminals who drag the system down even
further. They aren't going to be the ones who get a proper education
and want to contribute to society.
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble, I
wonder if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might
have averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but
they would've helped immensely.
For those of us who believe abortion is the taking of an innocent life,
the tragedy is not financial, but the lives that are being snuffed out.
Just the 400 billion squandered in Iraq would have went a little
way to paying back the money politicians have been robbing the
treasury of for the last 50 years. Had they left the money in trust
and not transferred it to the general fund where they squandered it
in phoney foreign wars there would be plenty.
We agree that Social Security was founded on a faulty premise, the
taxing of current workers to pay benefits to workers already retired.
That's *****, when you go to claim your SS it is based on the
number of years and the amount contributed and is far less fraudulent
than an insurance policy.
Bush's plan does little more than force people to invest in a
shakey stock market that is little more than a gambling casino
manipulated by the wealthy to steal small investors funds.
Clearly, this money has never been "saved" for the future, but spent by
the government on other programs.
Politicians can scream and posture all they like, but the fundamental
reality is that the program has been heading for bankruptcy for many
years, only no one would admit it until now. And abortion is helping to
speed up the inevitable shipwreck.
Like the Bible says, we will be reaping what we have sown.
* not original author
If all contributed it wouldn't be going down the tube. Put all
government workers on the plan as well as all the politicians with the
same requirements and rules and watch it grow.
Nothing is stopping people from investing part of their earnings
now. Why aren't they ???
SS was supposed to be a supplemental to retirement plans but
these companies like Enron prove that in vesting in an american
company is far too shakey and untrustworthy.
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| User: "Kathy" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 03:26:17 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not
be there.
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble, I
wonder if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might
have averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but
they would've helped immensely.
For those of us who believe abortion is the taking of an innocent life,
the tragedy is not financial, but the lives that are being snuffed out.
We agree that Social Security was founded on a faulty premise, the
taxing of current workers to pay benefits to workers already retired.
Clearly, this money has never been "saved" for the future, but spent by
the government on other programs.
Politicians can scream and posture all they like, but the fundamental
reality is that the program has been heading for bankruptcy for many
years, only no one would admit it until now. And abortion is helping to
speed up the inevitable shipwreck.
Like the Bible says, we will be reaping what we have sown.
* not original author
Blame birth control instead. Fewer people want large families. Birth
control (the pill, IUDs, condoms) is the cause of the lower birth rate.
Abortion is just for the ones that slip past the goalie.
Oh, and after you finish blaming birth control? ***** and die. That'll
solve your retirement problem.
Kathy aa #1802
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| User: "Loose Cannon" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 08:38:12 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
* not original author
<snip "JYoung's uncredited plagiarism>
It's now official: Every wingnut to troll <talk.abortion> has tried this
shallow argument and failed.
How...not surprising.
LC~ And the nuts don't get any wing-ier than IBenJon.
"why is it that most people who are against abortion are people who you
wouldn't want to ***** in the first place?
From: (Jon Young)
Newsgroups: alt.abortion
Subject: george carlin said it best
Date: 17 Oct 2003 19:47:28 -0700
Message-ID: <567f3dc3.0310171847.7e13d84@posting.google.com>
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| User: "Dale" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 07:52:31 PM |
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"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[...]
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
A zygote or a fetus is not a baby. Besides that, birth control has prevented
far more births than abortion.
There are far worse things to worry about than Social Security going bust
because of unfavorable ratios of workers to retirees. Unchecked population
growth is not sustainable, and inevitably results in a population crash. If
you still think we need more people to pay for SS, take heart that
immigrants from Mexico continue to have 3.6 children per woman. Because of
this, US population will grow by 130,000,000 people by 2050, utterly
dwarfing any effects you might suppose abortion has caused.
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 08:43:30 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 01:52:31 GMT, "Dale" <dmgreer@nspm.airmail.net>
wrote:
"J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
[...]
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
A zygote or a fetus is not a baby. Besides that, birth control has prevented
far more births than abortion.
The fundies don't like that either.
I once heard Ralph Reed being interviewed. He was urbane and
convincing if you didn't listen too hard. But when he was asked about
birth control he went ape-***** and started ranting. Totally destroying
whatever case he was trying to make.
There are far worse things to worry about than Social Security going bust
because of unfavorable ratios of workers to retirees. Unchecked population
growth is not sustainable, and inevitably results in a population crash. If
you still think we need more people to pay for SS, take heart that
immigrants from Mexico continue to have 3.6 children per woman. Because of
this, US population will grow by 130,000,000 people by 2050, utterly
dwarfing any effects you might suppose abortion has caused.
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| User: "Brian E. Clark" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
15 Feb 2005 03:51:50 PM |
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In article <ov3011hm64c62nbekvh9ce8f3gu1ubg1s2@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee said...
I once heard Ralph Reed being interviewed. He was urbane and
convincing if you didn't listen too hard.
Years ago I watched a Ralph Reed TV program about American
history. He came across as well-read, intellectual and confident
of his thesis, citing numerous confirmatory details -- that is,
he sounded impressive unless the viewer happened to know
anything about American history.
For people who had bothered to read the words of the founders,
or who had taken the time to examine the debates surrounding the
drafting of the Constitution, the effect was quite different:
Reed clearly wasn't merely mistaken; nor was he engaged only in
the usual Fundamentalist quote-mining; he was, beyond any sane
doubt, deliberately lying to his audience about key events in
U.S. history and about the philosophical/religious beliefs of
the nation's founders. This wasn't interpretive license -- it
was psyops.
The sheer audacity of his deception made me gasp.
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Brian E. Clark
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| User: "stoney" |
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16 Feb 2005 10:44:16 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:51:50 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <ov3011hm64c62nbekvh9ce8f3gu1ubg1s2@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee said...
I once heard Ralph Reed being interviewed. He was urbane and
convincing if you didn't listen too hard.
Years ago I watched a Ralph Reed TV program about American
history. He came across as well-read, intellectual and confident
of his thesis, citing numerous confirmatory details -- that is,
he sounded impressive unless the viewer happened to know
anything about American history.
For people who had bothered to read the words of the founders,
or who had taken the time to examine the debates surrounding the
drafting of the Constitution, the effect was quite different:
Reed clearly wasn't merely mistaken; nor was he engaged only in
the usual Fundamentalist quote-mining; he was, beyond any sane
doubt, deliberately lying to his audience about key events in
U.S. history and about the philosophical/religious beliefs of
the nation's founders. This wasn't interpretive license -- it
was psyops.
The sheer audacity of his deception made me gasp.
That's 'Christian Honesty(tm)' for you.
--
Contempt of Congress meter reading-offscale.
Hello, theocracy with a fundamentalist US Supreme
Court who will ensure church and state are joined
at the hip like clergy and altar boys.
America 1776-Jan 2001 RIP
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
15 Feb 2005 04:39:14 PM |
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:51:50 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <ov3011hm64c62nbekvh9ce8f3gu1ubg1s2@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee said...
I once heard Ralph Reed being interviewed. He was urbane and
convincing if you didn't listen too hard.
Years ago I watched a Ralph Reed TV program about American
history. He came across as well-read, intellectual and confident
of his thesis, citing numerous confirmatory details -- that is,
he sounded impressive unless the viewer happened to know
anything about American history.
For people who had bothered to read the words of the founders,
or who had taken the time to examine the debates surrounding the
drafting of the Constitution, the effect was quite different:
Reed clearly wasn't merely mistaken; nor was he engaged only in
the usual Fundamentalist quote-mining; he was, beyond any sane
doubt, deliberately lying to his audience about key events in
U.S. history and about the philosophical/religious beliefs of
the nation's founders. This wasn't interpretive license -- it
was psyops.
The sheer audacity of his deception made me gasp.
They don't care. Lying for the "right" result is OK according their
"morality".
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
16 Feb 2005 08:38:25 AM |
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In our last episode <meu4111lr7807bj3at2923t38o7b0f5kje@4ax.com>,
Christopher A. Lee lumbered into the room and mumbled:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 16:51:50 -0500, Brian E. Clark
<reply@newsgroup.only.please> wrote:
In article <ov3011hm64c62nbekvh9ce8f3gu1ubg1s2@4ax.com>, Christopher A.
Lee said...
I once heard Ralph Reed being interviewed. He was urbane and convincing
if you didn't listen too hard.
Years ago I watched a Ralph Reed TV program about American history. He
came across as well-read, intellectual and confident of his thesis,
citing numerous confirmatory details -- that is, he sounded impressive
unless the viewer happened to know anything about American history.
For people who had bothered to read the words of the founders, or who had
taken the time to examine the debates surrounding the drafting of the
Constitution, the effect was quite different: Reed clearly wasn't merely
mistaken; nor was he engaged only in the usual Fundamentalist
quote-mining; he was, beyond any sane doubt, deliberately lying to his
audience about key events in U.S. history and about the
philosophical/religious beliefs of the nation's founders. This wasn't
interpretive license -- it was psyops.
The sheer audacity of his deception made me gasp.
They don't care. Lying for the "right" result is OK according their
"morality".
I love the part where Reed was caught taking money from a casino to
help run his anti-casino "family values" campaign...
--
Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 06:35:35 PM |
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In our last episode
<1108329488.892633.115120@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, J Young lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble, I wonder
if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might have
averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but they
would've helped immensely.
How? Just having more people doesn't mean anything. You don't even know if
our future economy could handle the population. Hell, we're not even
keeping pace *now.
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 04:29:20 PM |
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J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
The right-wing fanatics see people only as worker drones.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
Pro-lie sleaze.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
That's a complete and total lie, of course, since women who get
abortions often go on to have children when they are ready.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 06:36:07 PM |
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In our last episode <cuokbv$36o$1@bolt.sonic.net>, Ray Fischer lumbered
into the room and mumbled:
J Young <youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
The right-wing fanatics see people only as worker drones.
That's all it comes down to. They talk about "values" and "dignity" but
we're really just "the help."
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Mark K. Bilbo - a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
Alt-atheism website at: http://www.alt-atheism.org
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"Religion is regarded by the common people as true,
by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful."
-- Seneca the Younger
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 04:17:16 PM |
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On 13 Feb 2005 13:18:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Since Roe vs. Wade legalized abortion, creating an abortion industry,
we've seen 45 million unborn babies aborted in this country.
An estimated 17 million of them would be contributing to the economy
today, paying taxes, and paying into Social Security; but they will not
be there.
And yet the population of the US continues to rise.
In 2025, when Social Security is projected to be in real trouble,
This is right-wing BS. The system is solvent until at least 2052.
I
wonder if anyone will stop to think about the missing persons who might
have averted it? They alone could not make up the entire shortfall, but
they would've helped immensely.
Ever heard of immigration?
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| User: "Steve Knight" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 08:03:50 PM |
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On 13 Feb 2005 13:18:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com>
wrote:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this: As politicians scramble to posture on Social Security
reform, a key element is being ignored: the effect of abortion on the
Social Security shortfall.
Oh, good fucking grief!
You think abortion is evil because the unwanted babies don't
contribute to Social Security!? Like THAT would have saved a LOOTED
gold mine from politicians?
I gave been rat-fucked, stick broken off in my ***** and now
understand and respect why people blow up government buildings. Don't
you think for one second the government gives a ***** about anything
except your money,. and how to get it.
You don't have a fucking clue!
*****!
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion and Social Security |
13 Feb 2005 03:43:16 PM |
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On 13 Feb 2005 13:18:08 -0800, "J Young" <youngopinions@aol.com> said
in alt.atheism:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
Consider this:
Consider this: All those aborted fetuses will never collect a single
dime from Social Security, so abortion is helping the situation.
Abort now so that you'll be able to retire later!
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"We should do unto others as we would want them to do unto us. If I were an unborn
fetus I would want others to use force to protect me, therefore using force against
abortionists is *justifiable homocide*."
- "Pro-Life" doctor killer and corpse Paul Hill
(random sig, produced by SigChanger)
rukbat at verizon dot net
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| User: "MarkA" |
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14 Feb 2005 06:35:15 AM |
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On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 13:18:08 -0800, J Young wrote:
Abortion may have set America up to implode.
The best argument I have heard against abortion came from a comedian: He
figured that since we have an all volunteer army, an nobody *wants* to
volunteer, they should use all the people that would have been aborted as
the army!
--
MarkA
(still caught in the maze of twisty little passages, all different)
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