"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Paul A Abeles" <abeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to

it

of WMD's?.

I really cant see any difference.

Cuuuuuuuuz you're a putz.. Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors. No
other country is. Iran is building nuclear capability, and there exists

technical state of war between the two countries.

Since when? Iran and Israel have never gone to war against one
another which is not to deny that things are now warm and
cozy between them.

As you know, back during the time of
the Shah, the two countries were on fairly friendly terms
and there developed a close collaboration between the
IDF and the Iranian military. And that relation between
the two militaries continued even after the Iranian Revolution,
especially after Iraq went to war against Iran. The ruling
mullahs in Teheran would ritually denounce Israel while
quietly accepting Israeli military assistance against Iraq.
(You may also recall that Israelis played a role in
the Iran-contra arms-for-hostages scandal during
Reagan's second term).
Of course after the Iran-Iraq war came to an end there
was less necessity for the Iranians to continue their relationship
with Israel but the two countries have never been at war with
one another nor have they ever been even in a technical
state of war. Of course, it could be a whole different
ball game but c'est la vie.

From Iranian Press Service:

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran's most influential ruling cleric called
Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel,

them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost

"damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms
Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a

stalemate

because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in

but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world",
Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional
Friday prayers in Tehran.

Analysts said not only Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's speech was the strongest
against Israel, but also this is the first time that a prominent leader

the Islamic Republic openly suggests the use of nuclear weapon against

Jewish State.

"It seems that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani is forgetting that due to the

present

intertwinement of Israel and Palestine, the destruction of the Jewish

State

would also means the mass killing of Palestinian population as well",
observed one Iranian commentator.

While Israel is believed to possess between 100 to 200 nuclear war

the Islamic Republic and Iraq are known to be working hard to produce

their

own atomic weapons with help from Russia and North Korea, Pakistan, also

Muslim state, has already a certain number of nuclear bomb.

In a lengthy speech to mark the so-called "International Qods

Day" celebrated in Iran only, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who, as the

of the Assembly to Discern the Interests of the State, is the Islamic
Republic's number two man after Ayatollah Ali Khameneh'i, said since

Israel

was an emanation of Western colonialism therefore "in future it will be

the

interests of colonialism that will determine existence or non-existence

Israel".

Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani made the unprecedented threat as, following new
suicide operations inside Israel and against Israeli settlements by
Palestinian extremists in PA-controlled zones, responded by Israel's
heaviest bombarding of Palestinian cities, police, communication and
radio-television installations, killing and wounding more than 200

on

both sides, resulted in the halting of all contacts between Israel and

PA of Mr. Yaser Arafat.

He said since Israel is the product of Western colonialism, "the

existence of Israel depends on interests of arrogance and colonialism

as

long as the base is helpful for colonialism, it is going to keep it.

Hashemi-Rafsanjani advised Western states not to pin their hopes on

Israel's

violence because it will be "very dangerous".

"We are not willing to see security in the world is harmed", he said,
warning against the "eruption of the Third World War.

"War of the pious and martyrdom seeking forces against peaks of

colonialism

will be highly dangerous and might fan flames of the World War III", the
former Iranian president said, backing firmly suicide operations against
Israel.

Quoted by the official news agency IRNA, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani said
weakening of Palestinian Jihad is "unlikely", as the Palestinians have

come

to the conclusion that talks would be effective only "in light of

and self-sacrifice- the two key elements that gave way to beginning of

second Intifada".
Iranian analysts and commentators outside Iran immediately reacted to

Hashemi-Rafsanjani's statement, expressing fear that it might trigger an
international backlash against Iran itself, giving Israel, the United

States

and other Western and even Arab nations to further isolate Iran as a

source

of threat to regional security.
"Jews shall expect to be once again scattered and wandering around the

globe

the day when this appendix is extracted from the region and the Muslim
world", Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani warned, blaming on the United States and
Britain the "creation of the fabricated entity" in the heart of Arab and
Muslim world.

"The man who considers himself as the most able politician in the

Republic utters such nonsense and empty threats at a very time that the

hard

line and extremist government of Israel under Mr. Ariel Sharon is

for justification of its repressive policy against Palestinians", said

Ahmad Salamatian, a veteran political analyst based in Paris.

"At a time that the right wing Israeli government is claiming that the

very

existence of Israel and the Jews are threatened and uses this pretext as

an

instrument to advance its policy of repression in Palestine, such

statements

and ushering such dangerous menaces by one of Iran's top officials is
nothing but bringing water to Israel's propaganda mill, providing it

more justifications explaining its present maximalist policy", he told

Persian service of Radio France Internationale.

Though Mr. Salamatian is of the opinion that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's

words

are part of both his own show and the ongoing internal tensions between
conservatives and reformers, however, he also agrees with other Iranian
analysts that his "untimely" menace could backfire, becoming a

justification

for threats against Iran, at a time that the United States and its

are determined to continue the fight against international terrorism.

"One of Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's main characteristics in Iranian

during the past twenty years is that in order to preserve his own

position,

he is ready to set fire to all the Caesareas for one handkerchief,
including, in the present case, providing Israel with enough pretext to
attack Iran", he noted, adding: "for the time being and what is

for Mr. Sharon is that this kind of statements are open invitation for

more

violence, an encouragement to extremists on either side of the
Israel-Palestine conflict".

Observing that despite the fact that Israel is believed to have more

one hundred atomic warheads and the necessary technology to transport

to the very heart of Iran and elsewhere, but no Israeli official nor any
newspaper have ever raised the slightest possibility of an atomic

"even in defence of their very existence", Mr. Salamatian wondered the
reasons behind Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's declaration, which he said

be

taken seriously "considering the rank of the man who pronounced it".

RAFSANJANI NUKE THREATS 141201

Many Jews in Israel want to get rid of Sharon, he is being called a

Judenrat

by them.

Sharon and Saddam, Shias, Kurds,................Palestinians.

I see remarkable similarities.

"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Paul A Abeles" <abeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to

it

of WMD's?.

I really cant see any difference.

Cuuuuuuuuz you're a putz.. Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors. No
other country is. Iran is building nuclear capability, and there exists

technical state of war between the two countries.

Since when? Iran and Israel have never gone to war against one
another which is not to deny that things are now warm and
cozy between them. As you know, back during the time of
the Shah, the two countries were on fairly friendly terms
and there developed a close collaboration between the
IDF and the Iranian military. And that relation between
the two militaries continued even after the Iranian Revolution,
especially after Iraq went to war against Iran. The ruling
mullahs in Teheran would ritually denounce Israel while
quietly accepting Israeli military assistance against Iraq.
(You may also recall that Israelis played a role in
the Iran-contra arms-for-hostages scandal during
Reagan's second term).
Of course after the Iran-Iraq war came to an end there
was less necessity for the Iranians to continue their relationship
with Israel but the two countries have never been at war with
one another nor have they ever been even in a technical
state of war. Of course, it could be a whole different
ball game but c'est la vie.

From Iranian Press Service:

RAFSANJANI SAYS MUSLIMS SHOULD USE NUCLEAR WEAPON AGAINST ISRAEL

TEHRAN 14 Dec. (IPS) One of Iran's most influential ruling cleric called
Friday on the Muslim states to use nuclear weapon against Israel,

them that while such an attack would annihilate Israel, it would cost

"damages only".

"If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms
Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a

stalemate

because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in

but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world",
Ayatollah Ali Akbar Hashemi-Rafsanjani told the crowd at the traditional
Friday prayers in Tehran.

Analysts said not only Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's speech was the strongest
against Israel, but also this is the first time that a prominent leader

the Islamic Republic openly suggests the use of nuclear weapon against

Jewish State.

"It seems that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani is forgetting that due to the

present

intertwinement of Israel and Palestine, the destruction of the Jewish

State

would also means the mass killing of Palestinian population as well",
observed one Iranian commentator.

While Israel is believed to possess between 100 to 200 nuclear war

the Islamic Republic and Iraq are known to be working hard to produce

their

own atomic weapons with help from Russia and North Korea, Pakistan, also

Muslim state, has already a certain number of nuclear bomb.

In a lengthy speech to mark the so-called "International Qods

Day" celebrated in Iran only, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani, who, as the

of the Assembly to Discern the Interests of the State, is the Islamic
Republic's number two man after Ayatollah Ali Khameneh'i, said since

Israel

was an emanation of Western colonialism therefore "in future it will be

the

interests of colonialism that will determine existence or non-existence

Israel".

Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani made the unprecedented threat as, following new
suicide operations inside Israel and against Israeli settlements by
Palestinian extremists in PA-controlled zones, responded by Israel's
heaviest bombarding of Palestinian cities, police, communication and
radio-television installations, killing and wounding more than 200

on

both sides, resulted in the halting of all contacts between Israel and

PA of Mr. Yaser Arafat.

He said since Israel is the product of Western colonialism, "the

existence of Israel depends on interests of arrogance and colonialism

as

long as the base is helpful for colonialism, it is going to keep it.

Hashemi-Rafsanjani advised Western states not to pin their hopes on

Israel's

violence because it will be "very dangerous".

"We are not willing to see security in the world is harmed", he said,
warning against the "eruption of the Third World War.

"War of the pious and martyrdom seeking forces against peaks of

colonialism

will be highly dangerous and might fan flames of the World War III", the
former Iranian president said, backing firmly suicide operations against
Israel.

Quoted by the official news agency IRNA, Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani said
weakening of Palestinian Jihad is "unlikely", as the Palestinians have

come

to the conclusion that talks would be effective only "in light of

and self-sacrifice- the two key elements that gave way to beginning of

second Intifada".
Iranian analysts and commentators outside Iran immediately reacted to

Hashemi-Rafsanjani's statement, expressing fear that it might trigger an
international backlash against Iran itself, giving Israel, the United

States

and other Western and even Arab nations to further isolate Iran as a

source

of threat to regional security.
"Jews shall expect to be once again scattered and wandering around the

globe

the day when this appendix is extracted from the region and the Muslim
world", Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani warned, blaming on the United States and
Britain the "creation of the fabricated entity" in the heart of Arab and
Muslim world.

"The man who considers himself as the most able politician in the

Republic utters such nonsense and empty threats at a very time that the

hard

line and extremist government of Israel under Mr. Ariel Sharon is

for justification of its repressive policy against Palestinians", said

Ahmad Salamatian, a veteran political analyst based in Paris.

"At a time that the right wing Israeli government is claiming that the

very

existence of Israel and the Jews are threatened and uses this pretext as

an

instrument to advance its policy of repression in Palestine, such

statements

and ushering such dangerous menaces by one of Iran's top officials is
nothing but bringing water to Israel's propaganda mill, providing it

more justifications explaining its present maximalist policy", he told

Persian service of Radio France Internationale.

Though Mr. Salamatian is of the opinion that Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's

words

are part of both his own show and the ongoing internal tensions between
conservatives and reformers, however, he also agrees with other Iranian
analysts that his "untimely" menace could backfire, becoming a

justification

for threats against Iran, at a time that the United States and its

are determined to continue the fight against international terrorism.

"One of Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's main characteristics in Iranian

during the past twenty years is that in order to preserve his own

position,

he is ready to set fire to all the Caesareas for one handkerchief,
including, in the present case, providing Israel with enough pretext to
attack Iran", he noted, adding: "for the time being and what is

for Mr. Sharon is that this kind of statements are open invitation for

more

violence, an encouragement to extremists on either side of the
Israel-Palestine conflict".

Observing that despite the fact that Israel is believed to have more

one hundred atomic warheads and the necessary technology to transport

to the very heart of Iran and elsewhere, but no Israeli official nor any
newspaper have ever raised the slightest possibility of an atomic

"even in defence of their very existence", Mr. Salamatian wondered the
reasons behind Mr. Hashemi-Rafsanjani's declaration, which he said

be

taken seriously "considering the rank of the man who pronounced it".

RAFSANJANI NUKE THREATS 141201

Many Jews in Israel want to get rid of Sharon, he is being called a

Judenrat

by them.

Sharon and Saddam, Shias, Kurds,................Palestinians.

I see remarkable similarities.

"Sheldon Liberman" <webmaster@liberman.com> wrote in message
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"Paul A Abeles" <abeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:DdAGc.81423$sj4.16655@news-server.bigpond.net.au...

The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to rid

it

of WMD's?.

I really cant see any difference.

Cuuuuuuuuz you're a putz.. Israel is surrounded by hostile neighbors. No
other country is. Iran is building nuclear capability, and there exists a
technical state of war between the two countries.

The real point, however, is that Iraq lost a war & part of the surrender
terms was that she have no WMDs. She refused to allow us to verify this, so
we went back in (Whether this was a smoke-screen for Bush' other interests
is immaterial, it happens to be the bare facts).

But Jew-haters do not want to recognize that Israel does NOT fall under the
same circumstances.

Susan

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The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to rid

of WMD's?..."

"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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"Paul A Abeles" <abeles@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to rid

it

of WMD's?.

Who would they seek permission from?

You don't think Sovereign nations need permission, do you Bob? Or are you
suddenly a believer in the international law that your nation ignores? What
a fucking hypocrite.

"Daniel Bernard" <aimemavie@maferme.fr> wrote in message
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On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:14:27 GMT, "Paul A Abeles" <abeles@hotmail.com>
wrote:

The US invaded Iraq on the excuse to rid it of WMD's.

Is it permissible for France or Russia or China to invade Israel to rid

it

of WMD's?.

Maybe Chirac can be convinced to launch a preemptive strike. With all
the destabilising the JA has been trying to do in France, in my
professional opinion they represent a hazard to national security and
harmony by trying to influence French Jews.

That should be legitimate grounds for a full scale nuclear action or
at least a covert action in which the French government passes nuclear
technology to someone like Assad or the Mullahs in Tehran. Actually,
it would give Israel a problem closer to home and might curtail their
meddling in France.

Knowing the french this has probably already happened.