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"SyVyN11" |
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06 Jun 2007 04:38:25 PM |
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Ailes says "the cadidates that can't face FOX, can't face Al Qaeda" |
TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
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| User: "WF Peifer" |
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| Title: Re: Ailes says "the cadidates that can't face FOX, can't face Al Qaeda" |
06 Jun 2007 11:14:08 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company.
Increasingly successful? He hasn't looked at his own network's ratings
lately, has he? Unless, of course, dropping ratings is a sign of "success".
"Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
Actually, for being too pro-fascism.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy.
Then Fox should dissolve itself, and quit trying to elbow the legitimate
press out of the picture.
The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it,
Uh, no. If Fox ever DOES actually find some truth, they bury it behind
round-the-clock coverage of a blond teenager being missing in Aruba or of a
blond bimbo dying of an overdose.
but we do not get up every morning, assuming that our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
Then why wasn't Fox in the forefront of investigative reporting of election
fraud and vote suppression by the GOP in the last several elections.
Perhaps they should just admit that they adore Republicanism and despise
democracy.
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
Why should they have to face TWO evil organizations that are hell-bent on
the destruction of America, albeit using two different methods?
However, I must applaud Mr. Ailes for finally admitting that Fox and al
Qaeda are moral equivalents.
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"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people
call you the elites; I call you my base." - George W. Bush
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| User: "XTS" |
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| Title: Re: Ailes says "the cadidates that can't face FOX, can't face Al Qaeda" |
06 Jun 2007 05:20:05 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
One has nothing to do with the other. Many of us, including myself don't
feel Fox is anything but the controlled media arm of the republican party,
and the most extreme wing. People like Orielly & Hannity are right wing
screamers. Orielly invented this "secular progressive" strawman he continues
to flog. Hannity choses insanity over intellect, and shouting over debate.
Then you have Gibson, Cavuto, Snow, Wallace, and the rest of the right wing
crowd that insists, like Roger Ailes himself that considers anyone to the
left of their extremities to already be Alquada, terrorists, or whatever
enemy they chose to brand a democart or liberal. I remember as many do when
Fox showed the REPUBLICAN PERVERT MARK FOLEY as a democrat on 2 different
occasions.
Given this, why would anyone want to go on a news show, that is that
inaccurate, that partisan, and that dishonest?
The democarts running for office know what a serious situation the
reopublican have put this counyty in, and Fox has been complicit in the
damage. One last thing this post you placed here by Roger Ailes, just
anothe inaccurate, patisan accsuation is the reason democrats will not give
his program the air of legitimacy he wants from them. This stunt by him,
like all things republican, is not going to help his party or his program,
but only again show the the right wing extreme and the measures they will go
to to smear and slander, rather than be "fair and balanced" like they
claim. And, that the TRUTH!
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| User: "Bob Eld" |
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| Title: Re: Ailes says "the cadidates that can't face FOX, can't face Al Qaeda" |
06 Jun 2007 05:47:06 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess that is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would you?
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| User: "SyVyN11" |
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06 Jun 2007 04:51:10 PM |
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess that
is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
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| User: "ThePhisherKIng Locker@BusStation" |
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| Title: Re: Ailes says "the cadidates that can't face FOX, can't face Al Qaeda" |
06 Jun 2007 07:56:03 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been
increasingly criticized," he said to the crowd about his company.
"Sometimes for being too pro-American. Sometimes we're too
pro-Israel. Sometimes too pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of
people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an
essential pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent
democracy. Democracy invented freedom of the press. So we will
investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming
that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have
decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess
that is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many
Dem candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either...
would you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
"The one with the most news viewers"???? Only right wing nut jobs, all
of them, watch Fox Noise. Nobody of any substance or education watches
Fox. Why waste your time. Of the 300 million citizens of the US, Fox
gets, what?, 2, 2 and half million, tops. More people listen to NPR on
the radio, or watch the nightly news on PBS, or the regular broadcast
channels than watch Fox. The one with the most new viewers!!! Don't make
me laugh.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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07 Jun 2007 06:57:11 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for
being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess that
is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
A false analogy. What does Fox "News" have to do with al-quaida? Whats the
similarity?
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| User: "WF Peifer" |
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07 Jun 2007 09:43:49 AM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjv@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for
being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of
people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an
essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and
find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming
that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have
decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess
that
is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
A false analogy. What does Fox "News" have to do with al-quaida? Whats
the
similarity?
Both are anti-democracy. Both are anti-freedom. Both try to use fear as a
tool to control people. There are several similarities. The only real
difference is that Fox tries to wrap itself in the flag while it tries to
destroy America, while al Qaeda wraps itself in the Koran. Other than that
difference, the two are very much the same.
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"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people
call you the elites; I call you my base." - George W. Bush
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| User: "Bob Eld" |
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07 Jun 2007 11:02:03 AM |
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"WF Peifer" <WFPeifer@NoSpam.com> wrote in message
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Cut...
A false analogy. What does Fox "News" have to do with al-quaida? Whats
the
similarity?
Both are anti-democracy. Both are anti-freedom. Both try to use fear as
a
tool to control people. There are several similarities. The only real
difference is that Fox tries to wrap itself in the flag while it tries to
destroy America, while al Qaeda wraps itself in the Koran. Other than
that
difference, the two are very much the same.
Well put!
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| User: "Guy" |
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06 Jun 2007 06:04:50 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for
being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess that
is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
About time you admit Fox is part of the axis of evil.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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07 Jun 2007 09:00:42 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for
being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess that
is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
Three points. First, Fox News does not have the most "news viewers."
Second, participating in a debate is in no way related to defending this
country. Third, nothing went over his head. You're batting .000 as usual.
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| User: "Bokonon" |
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06 Jun 2007 05:27:51 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
Fox is not a news network - it's the propaganda wing of the Republican
party.
Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
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"History! Read it and weep!"
-Bokonon
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When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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06 Jun 2007 05:55:32 PM |
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If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
Fox is not a news network - it's the propaganda wing of the Republican
party.
Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
I don't, I disagree with you. For some reason, you think that disagreement
is disloyality. Didn't Senator Clinton say that disent isn't disloyality?
if anyone hates america, it's you.
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"History! Read it and weep!"
-Bokonon
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When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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07 Jun 2007 06:57:12 AM |
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If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
Fox is not a news network - it's the propaganda wing of the Republican
party.
Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
I don't, I disagree with you. For some reason, you think that
disagreement is disloyality. Didn't Senator Clinton say that disent
isn't disloyality?
if anyone hates america, it's you.
You have repeatedly used the why do you hate America argument. How do you
like it turned on yourself? You do hate any nation that is free. You hate
women making their own decisions, you hate people doing as they please.
Your hatred is showing.
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| User: "WF Peifer" |
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07 Jun 2007 09:36:02 AM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjv@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
Fox is not a news network - it's the propaganda wing of the Republican
party.
Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
I don't, I disagree with you. For some reason, you think that
disagreement is disloyality. Didn't Senator Clinton say that disent
isn't disloyality?
if anyone hates america, it's you.
You have repeatedly used the why do you hate America argument. How do you
like it turned on yourself? You do hate any nation that is free. You
hate
women making their own decisions, you hate people doing as they please.
Your hatred is showing.
Hatred is the only tool that Sylvia and her ilk have left. They used to
have fear as well, but the public has learned that there isn't nearly as
much to fear as the right likes to claim, so they've pretty much lost that
weapon. If we take hatred away from them, the right will have nothing left.
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"This is an impressive crowd - the haves and the have-mores. Some people
call you the elites; I call you my base." - George W. Bush
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| User: "Bokonon" |
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07 Jun 2007 10:12:42 AM |
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"Kevin Cunningham" <smskjv@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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You have repeatedly used the why do you hate America argument. How do you
like it turned on yourself?
Bingo.
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
I don't
Yes you do. If you didn't hate America you and your fellow traitors
wouldn't be working so hard to cause this country so much harm.
I disagree with you. For some reason, you think that disagreement is
disloyality.
On the contrary, I believe that disloyalty is disloyalty - and you have
demonstrated not mere disagreement, but a genuine hatred for everything that
this great nation stands for.
Didn't Senator Clinton say that disent isn't disloyality?
It isn't. Disloyalty is disloyalty. You are disloyal - and treasonous.
if anyone hates america, it's you.
How so?
Explain.
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"Bokonon" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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Why do you hate America so much, traitor? Seriously.
I don't
Yes you do. If you didn't hate America you and your fellow traitors
wouldn't be working so hard to cause this country so much harm.
I disagree with you. For some reason, you think that disagreement is
disloyality.
On the contrary, I believe that disloyalty is disloyalty - and you have
demonstrated not mere disagreement, but a genuine hatred for everything
that this great nation stands for.
Didn't Senator Clinton say that disent isn't disloyality?
It isn't. Disloyalty is disloyalty. You are disloyal - and treasonous.
if anyone hates america, it's you.
How so?
Explain.
Because you call someone a traitor just because he doesn't watch the same
news channel as you.
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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if anyone hates america, it's you.
How so?
Explain.
Because you call someone a traitor just because he doesn't watch the same
news channel as you.
False. I call you a traitor because you aid and comfort America's enemies,
and support others who aid and comfort America's enemies. That's what a
traitor is. Feel free to disgree on various policy matters by all means -
that's a great American tradition and part of makes us great as a nation.
Cross that line into supporting America's enemies as you have however, and
you are a traitor - plain and simple.
Calling you a traitor (which is what you are) isn't hatred for America at
all - it's the exact opposite.
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On Jun 6, 11:51 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most news
viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
That comparison does not make any sense. Can you explain why you think
it does?
Tartarus
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SyVyN11 wrote:
"Bob Eld" <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
So now the Faux News Network is the equivalent of Al Qaeda! I guess
that is
an appropriate comparison, both are quite repugnant. I doub't many Dem
candidate would like to go on Al Jazera or Al Qaeda TV either... would
you?
WHHOOOSH!!
Right over your head!
If dims won't answer or debate on a tv network, the one with the most
news viewers, then how can they face our enemies?
I must be missing something here. I thought poster Bob had noted that
Fox's comment could be interpreted as Fox comparing themselves to Al
Qaeda. I had the same reaction when I read it, as if Ailes saying that
if you can't take on terrorism lite at Fox, how are you going to stand
up to the guys who hand out terrorism heavy.
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"If you can't handle Fox, you can't handle any other enemy of America."
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"SgtMinor" <Sarge@the.old.folks.home.invalid> wrote in message
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I must be missing something here. I thought poster Bob had noted that
Fox's comment could be interpreted as Fox comparing themselves to Al
Qaeda. I had the same reaction when I read it, as if Ailes saying that if
you can't take on terrorism lite at Fox, how are you going to stand up to
the guys who hand out terrorism heavy.
How are a bunch of lying loudmouth armchair assholes on TV "taking on
terrorism"?
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07 Jun 2007 06:57:10 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
A very specious argument. Perhaps the people who can't face Fox can't drive
Chevrolets. Logically how do you make a connection between Fox and
al-quaida? But then you don't really expect Ailes to tell the truth.
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07 Jun 2007 08:55:57 AM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
I agree. Fox News is just like Al Qaeda -- both are enemies of the U.S.
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
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06 Jun 2007 05:25:19 PM |
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"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
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TRUTH!!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/middleeast/24terror.html?hp&ex=1159070400&en=003f596f66422cfd&ei=5094&partner=homepage
September 24, 2006
Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terror Threat
By MARK MAZZETTI
WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 - A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American
intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of
Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the
overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.
The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role
to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent
White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House
Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington
involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.
The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal
of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq
war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services
inside government. Titled "Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the
United States,'' it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in
retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.
An opening section of the report, "Indicators of the Spread of the Global
Jihadist Movement," cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of
jihad ideology.
The report "says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem
worse," said one American intelligence official.
More than a dozen United States government officials and outside experts
were interviewed for this article, and all spoke only on condition of
anonymity because they were discussing a classified intelligence document.
The officials included employees of several government agencies, and both
supporters and critics of the Bush administration. All of those interviewed
had either seen the final version of the document or participated in the
creation of earlier drafts. These officials discussed some of the document's
general conclusions but not details, which remain highly classified.
Officials with knowledge of the intelligence estimate said it avoided
specific judgments about the likelihood that terrorists would once again
strike on United States soil. The relationship between the Iraq war and
terrorism, and the question of whether the United States is safer, have been
subjects of persistent debate since the war began in 2003.
National Intelligence Estimates are the most authoritative documents that
the intelligence community produces on a specific national security issue,
and are approved by John D. Negroponte, director of national intelligence.
Their conclusions are based on analysis of raw intelligence collected by all
of the spy agencies.
Analysts began working on the estimate in 2004, but it was not finalized
until this year. Part of the reason was that some government officials were
unhappy with the structure and focus of earlier versions of the document,
according to officials involved in the discussion.
Previous drafts described actions by the United States government that were
determined to have stoked the jihad movement, like the indefinite detention
of prisoners at Guantánamo Bay and the Abu Ghraib prison abuse scandal, and
some policy makers argued that the intelligence estimate should be more
focused on specific steps to mitigate the terror threat. It is unclear
whether the final draft of the intelligence estimate criticizes individual
policies of the United States, but intelligence officials involved in
preparing the document said its conclusions were not softened or massaged
for political purposes.
Frederick Jones, a White House spokesman, said the White House "played no
role in drafting or reviewing the judgments expressed in the National
Intelligence Estimate on terrorism." The estimate's judgments confirm some
predictions of a National Intelligence Council report completed in January
2003, two months before the Iraq invasion. That report stated that the
approaching war had the potential to increase support for political Islam
worldwide and could increase support for some terrorist objectives.
Documents released by the White House timed to coincide with the fifth
anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks emphasized the successes that the United
States had made in dismantling the top tier of Al Qaeda.
"Since the Sept. 11 attacks, America and its allies are safer, but we are
not yet safe," concludes one, a report titled "9/11 Five Years Later:
Success and Challenges." "We have done much to degrade Al Qaeda and its
affiliates and to undercut the perceived legitimacy of terrorism."
That document makes only passing mention of the impact the Iraq war has had
on the global jihad movement. "The ongoing fight for freedom in Iraq has
been twisted by terrorist propaganda as a rallying cry," it states.
The report mentions the possibility that Islamic militants who fought in
Iraq could return to their home countries, "exacerbating domestic conflicts
or fomenting radical ideologies."
On Wednesday, the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee
released a more ominous report about the terrorist threat. That assessment,
based entirely on unclassified documents, details a growing jihad movement
and says, "Al Qaeda leaders wait patiently for the right opportunity to
attack."
The new National Intelligence Estimate was overseen by David B. Low, the
national intelligence officer for transnational threats, who commissioned it
in 2004 after he took up his post at the National Intelligence Council. Mr.
Low declined to be interviewed for this article.
The estimate concludes that the radical Islamic movement has expanded from a
core of Qaeda operatives and affiliated groups to include a new class of
"self-generating" cells inspired by Al Qaeda's leadership but without any
direct connection to Osama bin Laden or his top lieutenants.
It also examines how the Internet has helped spread jihadist ideology, and
how cyberspace has become a haven for terrorist operatives who no longer
have geographical refuges in countries like Afghanistan.
In early 2005, the National Intelligence Council released a study concluding
that Iraq had become the primary training ground for the next generation of
terrorists, and that veterans of the Iraq war might ultimately overtake Al
Qaeda's current leadership in the constellation of the global jihad
leadership.
But the new intelligence estimate is the first report since the war began to
present a comprehensive picture about the trends in global terrorism.
In recent months, some senior American intelligence officials have offered
glimpses into the estimate's conclusions in public speeches.
"New jihadist networks and cells, sometimes united by little more than their
anti-Western agendas, are increasingly likely to emerge," said Gen. Michael
V. Hayden, during a speech in San Antonio in April, the month that the new
estimate was completed. "If this trend continues, threats to the U.S. at
home and abroad will become more diverse and that could lead to increasing
attacks worldwide," said the general, who was then Mr. Negroponte's top
deputy and is now director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
For more than two years, there has been tension between the Bush
administration and American spy agencies over the violence in Iraq and the
prospects for a stable democracy in the country. Some intelligence officials
have said the White House has consistently presented a more optimistic
picture of the situation in Iraq than justified by intelligence reports from
the field.
Spy agencies usually produce several national intelligence estimates each
year on a variety of subjects. The most controversial of these in recent
years was an October 2002 document assessing Iraq's illicit weapons
programs. Several government investigations have discredited that report,
and the intelligence community is overhauling how it analyzes data, largely
as a result of those investigations.
The broad judgments of the new intelligence estimate are consistent with
assessments of global terrorist threats by American allies and independent
terrorism experts.
The panel investigating the London terrorist bombings of July 2005 reported
in May that the leaders of Britain's domestic and international intelligence
services, MI5 and MI6, "emphasized to the committee the growing scale of the
Islamist terrorist threat."
More recently, the Council on Global Terrorism, an independent research
group of respected terrorism experts, assigned a grade of "D+" to United
States efforts over the past five years to combat Islamic extremism. The
council concluded that "there is every sign that radicalization in the
Muslim world is spreading rather than shrinking."
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"History! Read it and weep!"
-Bokonon
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In article <lPF9i.18792$j63.1540@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net>, thesyvyn11
@msn.com says...
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
The guy is a poor substitute for Charles Foster Kane...
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On Jun 6, 5:38 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
Ye gods, Ailes and you are STUPID!
-Tom Sr.
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:38:25 GMT, "SyVyN11"
<thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote:
TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company.
BWAHAHAHAHA
Ailes started an ENTERTAINMENT channel with a "news
format" to pander to a SMALL segment of the rightwing
electorate
Yes, he "first" in biased news ENTERTAINMENT
But Faux is NOT a credible news outlet
They won court cases by a defense that they are
"entertainment", not necessarily purveyers of truth.
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06 Jun 2007 04:45:33 PM |
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Yeah like what Bush is doing is "facing Al Quaeda" Sitting in his cush chair
and signing bills for more funds to send soldiers into the meat grinder.
Takes a real tough guy.
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
news:lPF9i.18792$j63.1540@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr. Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
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"Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Yeah like what Bush is doing is "facing Al Quaeda" Sitting in his cush
chair and signing bills for more funds to send soldiers into the meat
grinder.
Takes a real tough guy.
Nice dodge. No, it wasn't!
"SyVyN11" <thesyvyn11@msn.com> wrote in message
news:lPF9i.18792$j63.1540@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
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On Jun 6, 4:49 pm, "SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote:
"Trey Harlow" <thar...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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Yeah like what Bush is doing is "facing Al Quaeda" Sitting in his cush
chair and signing bills for more funds to send soldiers into the meat
grinder.
Takes a real tough guy.
Nice dodge. No, it wasn't!
"SyVyN11" <thesyvy...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:lPF9i.18792$j63.1540@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
TRUTH!!!!
Fox News Chief, Roger Ailes:
"We've become increasingly successful, and yet we've been increasingly
criticized," he said to the crowd about his company. "Sometimes for being
too pro-American. Sometimes we're too pro-Israel. Sometimes too
pro-democracy.
"I've been quoted as saying, 'This is a great country.' A lot of people
are
trying to get in, nobody's trying to get out. The press is an essential
pillar of that democracy. The press didn't invent democracy. Democracy
invented freedom of the press. So we will investigate anything and find
the
truth, and report it, but we do not get up every morning, assuming that
our
country is guilty. We just happen to like democracy."
And he had some choice words for Democratic candidates who have decided
not
to debate on Fox.
"The candidates that can't face Fox, can't face Al Qaeda," said Mr.
Ailes.
"And that's what's coming."
No, they just recognize the difference between an actual threat than
requires action and a wanna-be a news network.
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