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"Harry Hope" |
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26 Jan 2005 10:45:34 AM |
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Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow. Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Z" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:58:52 AM |
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That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of their talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it. Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees, the
blacks, & hispanics.
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
Bush just does it because it is right & does not say "look at me, look at
who I placed in high positions"
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
Even Andrew Young has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow. Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
26 Jan 2005 12:20:39 PM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:_WQJd.5292$y61.3853@fe07.lga...
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Cool, can we lock you outside in the freezing cold soaking wet until you
pass out? lol
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of their
talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
lie
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
lie
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees, the
blacks, & hispanics.
lie
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
lie
Bush just does it
lie
because it is right & does not say "look at me, look at
who I placed in high positions"
lie
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
rofl
Even Andrew Young
rofl
has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Sorry kid, we get about 50 more before we're even with what y'all did to
Clinton.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow. Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Z" |
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| Title: Re: Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
26 Jan 2005 12:25:01 PM |
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You give the same ole Liberal/Leftist response.
Keep drinking their Kool-Aid & you will not have any your actives brain
cells remaining.
Z
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ct8n1n$c81$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:_WQJd.5292$y61.3853@fe07.lga...
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Cool, can we lock you outside in the freezing cold soaking wet until you
pass out? lol
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of their
talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
lie
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
lie
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees, the
blacks, & hispanics.
lie
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
lie
Bush just does it
lie
because it is right & does not say "look at me, look at
who I placed in high positions"
lie
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
rofl
Even Andrew Young
rofl
has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Sorry kid, we get about 50 more before we're even with what y'all did to
Clinton.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow. Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Server 13" |
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26 Jan 2005 03:25:05 PM |
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Z wrote:
You give the same ole Liberal/Leftist response.
Not going to prove me wrong? You've got a lot of chances! lol
Keep drinking their Kool-Aid & you will not have any your actives brain
cells remaining.
translation: Z has nothing.
Z
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ct8n1n$c81$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in message news:_WQJd.5292$y61.3853@fe07.lga...
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Cool, can we lock you outside in the freezing cold soaking wet until you
pass out? lol
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of their
talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
lie
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
lie
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees, the
blacks, & hispanics.
lie
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
lie
Bush just does it
lie
because it is right & does not say "look at me, look at
who I placed in high positions"
lie
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
rofl
Even Andrew Young
rofl
has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry, Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Sorry kid, we get about 50 more before we're even with what y'all did to
Clinton.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow. Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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26 Jan 2005 11:16:30 PM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Yeah, liberty, freedom, Constitutional rights, civil rights are all
"leftist / liberal," certainly not rightard neocon ideals.
You said it, pal.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners "obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr. Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
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26 Jan 2005 10:32:08 PM |
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In article <10vgjlj25ehd086@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Yeah, liberty, freedom, Constitutional rights, civil rights are all
All of the above are NOT what the American leftist support. Reality
is especially to be ignored by the American leftist.
John
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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27 Jan 2005 03:08:56 AM |
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(John S. Dyson) wrote:
In article <10vgjlj25ehd086@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Yeah, liberty, freedom, Constitutional rights, civil rights are all
All of the above are NOT what the American leftist support. Reality
is especially to be ignored by the American leftist.
"USA PATRIOT Act." Woops! You lose again, rightard.
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| User: "Z" |
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27 Jan 2005 07:42:11 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
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toor@iquest.net (John S. Dyson) wrote:
In article <10vgjlj25ehd086@corp.supernews.com>,
FRice@SkepticTank.ORG (Fredric L. Rice) writes:
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Yeah, liberty, freedom, Constitutional rights, civil rights are all
All of the above are NOT what the American leftist support. Reality
is especially to be ignored by the American leftist.
"USA PATRIOT Act." Woops! You lose again, rightard.
Wasn't that a bill passed by Congress with support from the Democrats that
were not Leftists.
Z
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| User: "John Brown" |
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26 Jan 2005 12:37:00 PM |
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen since the
Civil War?
How come the country came together right after 9/11 on a massive scale not seen
since WWII and in less than two years Bush had squandered that universal
goodwill to the point that he only barely squeaked back into office----beating
"the most liberal Senator in Congress" by only one state---instead of winning by
a landslide?
Why is that by all polls, the majority of the country disapproves of Bush's
handling of the war in Iraq and domestic matters....and he's got the lowest
approval ratings of any modern president beginning his second term?
John
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| User: "Z" |
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26 Jan 2005 03:08:29 PM |
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"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen
since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
How come the country came together right after 9/11 on a massive scale not
seen
since WWII and in less than two years Bush had squandered that universal
goodwill to the point that he only barely squeaked back into
office----beating
"the most liberal Senator in Congress" by only one state---instead of
winning by
a landslide?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
Why is that by all polls, the majority of the country disapproves of
Bush's
handling of the war in Iraq and domestic matters....and he's got the
lowest
approval ratings of any modern president beginning his second term?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
The facts are different than you say.
Z
John
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27 Jan 2005 02:00:08 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
And what "facts" would those be, specifically?
1) The surplus Clintoon handed Bush that was immediately turned into
the largest deficit in America's history?
2) The loss of over four million American jobs under this fascist regime?
3) The slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis before the destruction
of Faluja in a war of atrocity against an innocent country?
Any of those, rightard?
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27 Jan 2005 07:39:48 AM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgt8chqr0t57b@corp.supernews.com...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
news:MOH3QSeBLLJ=1lmuQtYDh4tH+B8b@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen
since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
And what "facts" would those be, specifically?
1) The surplus Clintoon handed Bush that was immediately turned into
the largest deficit in America's history?
Surplus was result of Ronnies tax cuts.
2) The loss of over four million American jobs under this fascist regime?
Ever hear of the Cliton recession of 1999-2001?
3) The slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis before the destruction
of Faluja in a war of atrocity against an innocent country?
What slaughter of innocent Iraqi? That is more Liberal/leftist Kool-Aid,
keep drinking it & all the dendrites & axions will be gone.
Z
Any of those, rightard?
Center politics for me, Lefty, Fair & Balanced.
Z
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| User: "Kilgore Trout" |
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27 Jan 2005 11:16:18 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote in news:Ke6Kd.10839$H67.982@fe07.lga:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgt8chqr0t57b@corp.supernews.com...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
news:MOH3QSeBLLJ=1lmuQtYDh4tH+B8b@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in
modern history....splitting the country down the middle to a
degree not seen
since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the
facts.
And what "facts" would those be, specifically?
1) The surplus Clintoon handed Bush that was immediately turned into
the largest deficit in America's history?
Surplus was result of Ronnies tax cuts.
*****. The surplus was the result of the Budget Reconciliation Act of
1993 which not one single Republican voted for. In fact, they claimed that
its passage would lead to a severe recession.
*Paul Volcker, Former Federal Reserve Board Chairman: "The deficit has come
down, and I give the Clinton Administration and President Clinton himself a
lot of credit for that. [He] did something about it, fast. And I think we
are seeing some benefits." Fall 1994*
2) The loss of over four million American jobs under this fascist
regime?
Ever hear of the Cliton recession of 1999-2001?
No, because there was no recession in 1999. Or in 2000. The first quater
of negative economic growth did not occur until Q1 2001.
Did some Clinton policies contribute to the eventual downturn? Possibly.
Of course, the more proximate cause was Greenspan and the Fed raising
interest rates 6 times between June 30, 1999 and May 16, 2000 to head off
inflation, going from 4.75% to 6.5%. They just overplayed their hand a bit
and cooled the economy off too much. Add in the President-select's running
around the country in December 2000 saying the sky is falling and the
impact of that on consumer confidence, and you've got the 2001 recession.
3) The slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis before the
destruction of Faluja in a war of atrocity against an innocent
country?
What slaughter of innocent Iraqi? That is more Liberal/leftist
Kool-Aid, keep drinking it & all the dendrites & axions will be gone.
You think that "shock and awe" didn't kill innocent Iraqis? You think we
didn't kill any innocent Iraqis in Fallujah? Mosul? Tikrit? Don't kid
yourself, we have blood on our hands.
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"The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism
because it is a merger of State and corporate power" - Benito Mussolini
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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28 Jan 2005 02:37:28 AM |
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"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgt8chqr0t57b@corp.supernews.com...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
news:MOH3QSeBLLJ=1lmuQtYDh4tH+B8b@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
And what "facts" would those be, specifically?
1) The surplus Clintoon handed Bush that was immediately turned into
the largest deficit in America's history?
Surplus was result of Ronnies tax cuts.
<rofl!> I wonder where this insane buttfuck got this notion. Bet it
was fed to him by Limbaugh or FOX "News."
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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| Title: Re: Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
30 Jan 2005 01:51:47 PM |
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Z wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:10vgt8chqr0t57b@corp.supernews.com...
"Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
news:MOH3QSeBLLJ=1lmuQtYDh4tH+B8b@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen
since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
And what "facts" would those be, specifically?
1) The surplus Clintoon handed Bush that was immediately turned into
the largest deficit in America's history?
Surplus was result of Ronnies tax cuts.
Cite required!
2) The loss of over four million American jobs under this fascist regime?
Ever hear of the Cliton recession of 1999-2001?
You might want to take a long, close look at this:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1756&e=1&u=/050125/photos_pl/deficit_2005_graphic
Tell us about the Bonzo surpluses - LOL
3) The slaughter of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis before the destruction
of Faluja in a war of atrocity against an innocent country?
What slaughter of innocent Iraqi? That is more Liberal/leftist Kool-Aid,
keep drinking it & all the dendrites & axions will be gone.
The Lancet report, rightard.
Any of those, rightard?
Center politics for me, Lefty, Fair & Balanced.
You referring to Faux News? LOL
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| User: "Server 13" |
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26 Jan 2005 03:26:11 PM |
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Z wrote:
"John Brown" <justice@justus.com> wrote in message
news:MOH3QSeBLLJ=1lmuQtYDh4tH+B8b@4ax.com...
On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:58:52 -0500, "Z" <Z@freeDamn.net> wrote:
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Really? Then how come he's been the most divisive president in modern
history....splitting the country down the middle to a degree not seen
since the
Civil War?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
How come the country came together right after 9/11 on a massive scale not
seen
since WWII and in less than two years Bush had squandered that universal
goodwill to the point that he only barely squeaked back into
office----beating
"the most liberal Senator in Congress" by only one state---instead of
winning by
a landslide?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
Why is that by all polls, the majority of the country disapproves of
Bush's
handling of the war in Iraq and domestic matters....and he's got the
lowest
approval ratings of any modern president beginning his second term?
Because the Liberal/Leftist Kool-Aid drinkers do not look at the facts.
The facts are different than you say.
Cite?
as we see here, Z has no facts.
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| User: "tenjets" |
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| Title: Re: Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
26 Jan 2005 01:27:17 PM |
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Z wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of
their talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees,
the
blacks, & hispanics.
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
You're the one playing the race card.
Typical of your ilk, you change the subject rather than addressing the
issue. Please justify the choice of Gonzales with a positive argument.
Bush just does it because it is right & does not say "look at me,
look at
who I placed in high positions"
There is certainly no diversity of opinion in the Bush cabinet.
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
Even Andrew Young has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry,
Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice
Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or
to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it
to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva
Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners
"obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer
would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr.
Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by
the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how
he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to
avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold
out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal
policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want
an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow.
Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Z" |
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26 Jan 2005 03:10:23 PM |
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By your standards diversity is on differing opinions, usually the
Liberal/Leftist use race as the standard, unless it proves them wrong.
Z
"tenjets" <spameister3000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106767637.098623.130260@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Z wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of
their talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees,
the
blacks, & hispanics.
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
You're the one playing the race card.
Typical of your ilk, you change the subject rather than addressing the
issue. Please justify the choice of Gonzales with a positive argument.
Bush just does it because it is right & does not say "look at me,
look at
who I placed in high positions"
There is certainly no diversity of opinion in the Bush cabinet.
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
Even Andrew Young has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry,
Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice
Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or
to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it
to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva
Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners
"obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer
would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr.
Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by
the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how
he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to
avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold
out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal
policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want
an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow.
Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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| User: "Server 13" |
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| Title: Re: Al Gonzales' Tainted Record Makes Him Unqualified |
26 Jan 2005 03:27:28 PM |
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Z wrote:
By your standards diversity is on differing opinions, usually the
Liberal/Leftist use race as the standard, unless it proves them wrong.
translation: quackquackquack
Number of black republican delegates at their convention: 6.
Z
"tenjets" <spameister3000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1106767637.098623.130260@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Z wrote:
That is the Liberal/Leftist mode of attack.
Now the Liberal/Leftist are showing their true colors. Instead of
their talk
of inclusion & diversity they do not actually practice it.
Bush does not talk about inclusion & diversity, he just does it.
Look at
his last cabinet group, & look at the present ones.
Look at who the Liberal/Leftist always oppose in the Bush nominees,
the
blacks, & hispanics.
The Liberal/Leftist talk one way but act another.
You're the one playing the race card.
Typical of your ilk, you change the subject rather than addressing the
issue. Please justify the choice of Gonzales with a positive argument.
Bush just does it because it is right & does not say "look at me,
look at
who I placed in high positions"
There is certainly no diversity of opinion in the Bush cabinet.
The Black & Hispanic groups are slowing starting to see the light.
Even Andrew Young has come out in opposition to Byrd, Kennedy, Kerry,
Boxer
& other Liberal/Leftist on the latest attempts at the present Black &
Hispanic nominee blocking.
Z
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:c6ifv0dsneolh71f6kcn0fsfht7str2has@4ax.com...
From a New York Times editorial, 1/26/05:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/opinion/26wed1.html?oref=login
The Wrong Attorney General
The attorney general does not merely head up the Justice
Department.
He is responsible for ensuring that America is a nation in which
justice prevails.
Mr. Gonzales's record makes him unqualified to take on this role or
to
represent the American justice system to the rest of the world.
The Senate should reject his nomination.
The biggest strike against Mr. Gonzales is the now repudiated memo
that gave a disturbingly narrow definition of torture, limiting it
to
physical abuse that produced pain of the kind associated with organ
failure or death.
Mr. Gonzales's attempts to distance himself from the memo have been
unconvincing, especially since it turns out he was the one who
requested that it be written.
Earlier the same year, Mr. Gonzales himself sent President Bush a
letter telling him that the war on terror made the Geneva
Conventions'
strict limitations on the questioning of enemy prisoners
"obsolete."
These actions created the legal climate that made possible the
horrific mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners being held in Abu Ghraib
prison.
The Bush administration often talks about its desire to mend fences
with the rest of the world, particularly the Muslim world.
Making Mr. Gonzales the nation's chief law enforcement officer
would
set this effort back substantially.
Other parts of Mr. Gonzales's record are also troubling.
As counsel to George Bush when he was governor of Texas, Mr.
Gonzales
did a shockingly poor job of laying out the legal issues raised by
the
clemency petitions from prisoners on death row.
And questions have been raised about Mr. Gonzales's account of how
he
got his boss out of jury duty in 1996, which allowed Mr. Bush to
avoid
stating publicly that he had been convicted of drunken driving.
Senate Democrats, who are trying to define their role after the
setbacks of the 2004 election, should stand on principle and hold
out
for a more suitable attorney general.
Republicans also have reason to oppose this nomination.
At the confirmation hearings, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of
South Carolina, warned that the administration's flawed legal
policies
and mistreatment of detainees had hurt the country's standing and
"dramatically undermined" the war on terror.
Given the stakes in that war, senators of both parties should want
an
attorney general who does not come with this nominee's substantial
shortcomings.
___________________________________________________________
Adds more scum to the Bush white House pot. About to overflow.
Adding
Kindasleazy Rice to the pot'll make it overflow.
Harry
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