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Alan Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators |
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
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Ya got it? Good.
Harry
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14 Aug 2004 12:30:21 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Mr. Keyes misses slavery & Jim Crow laws, too. He pines for the balance
circa 1855.
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| User: "Dana" |
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14 Aug 2004 08:45:46 AM |
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"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
news:NrhTc.26795$js3.11141622@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Mr. Keyes misses slavery & Jim Crow laws, too. He pines for the balance
circa 1855.
You do know that Keyes is a African-American.
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| User: "Miles Long" |
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14 Aug 2004 10:30:23 AM |
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Dana wrote:
"Sparky" <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote in message
news:NrhTc.26795$js3.11141622@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Mr. Keyes misses slavery & Jim Crow laws, too. He pines for the balance
circa 1855.
You do know that Keyes is a African-American.
Pretty much only in skin color.
Miles "Fronting For the Man" Long
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14 Aug 2004 08:13:26 AM |
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Subject: Re: Alan Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
From: Sparky
Date: 8/14/2004 1:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <NrhTc.26795$js3.11141622@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9
396846.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Mr. Keyes misses slavery & Jim Crow laws, too. He pines for the balance
circa 1855.
Actually Keyes is pretty smart cookie. It is amazing that he would lower
himself and enter this race. The republicans are capable of doring anything.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "john grove" |
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17 Aug 2004 06:02:17 PM |
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CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
States are just lines drawn on maps, the people have the final power.
Actually Keyes is pretty smart cookie. It is amazing that he would lower
himself and enter this race. The republicans are capable of doring anything.
Why is the GOP starting to bypass primary voting in CA (governor) and results
in IL senate, don't they trust their own voters.
Too bad Denzel Washington couldn't be talked into running in IL, in character
from Training Day, "are you my dog?".
JG
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Rico" |
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16 Aug 2004 11:37:18 AM |
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In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Hmm, I wonder if Keyes realizes that in 1913/1917, he would be at the back
of the bus?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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| User: "Rich" |
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16 Aug 2004 11:43:41 AM |
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"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1om96k2351be@corp.supernews.com...
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/939
6846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Hmm, I wonder if Keyes realizes that in 1913/1917, he would be at the back
of the bus?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
I agree with Keyes. It would transfer more power back to the states where it
belongs.
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| User: "Rico" |
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18 Aug 2004 11:28:33 AM |
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In article <pJudnXlsA-bceb3cRVn-oQ@speakeasy.net>, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1om96k2351be@corp.supernews.com...
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/939
6846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Hmm, I wonder if Keyes realizes that in 1913/1917, he would be at the back
of the bus?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
I agree with Keyes. It would transfer more power back to the states where it
belongs.
The states lost ALL power in 1861, when Lincoln effectively told the
Southern slave states they could not leave the Union they had joined
previousily of their own accord.
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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| User: "Rich Travsky" |
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18 Aug 2004 09:37:45 AM |
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Rich wrote:
"Rico" <rico_001@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10i1om96k2351be@corp.supernews.com...
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/939
6846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Hmm, I wonder if Keyes realizes that in 1913/1917, he would be at the back
of the bus?
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
I agree with Keyes. It would transfer more power back to the states where it
belongs.
Whether its the citizens of the state or its legislature, it's still the state
determining the office.
RT
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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14 Aug 2004 12:17:31 AM |
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In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Keyes is Constitutionally correct.
The President represents the federal government, the House represents the
people, and the Senate was intended to represent the states.
Obama may trust the people to choose the Senators they want to represent them
in the US Senate, but Senators are supposed to represent the states, not the
people.
The passage of the 17th amendment was the beginning of Big Federal Government
that now threatens our freedom. With the passage of the 17th amendment, we
now have two Houses representing the people and no one representing the
states.
Of course this is all in theory. In fact, the President, House, and Senate
all represent special interests.
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14 Aug 2004 08:12:27 AM |
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Subject: Re: Alan Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
From: (Paul Revere)
Date: 8/14/2004 1:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <KfhTc.814$xs.449@okepread02>
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/
9396846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Keyes is Constitutionally correct.
The President represents the federal government, the House represents the
people, and the Senate was intended to represent the states.
Senators were not elected until about 1900. The record of electing senators
prety much shows that it really is an expensive useless thing.
Obama may trust the people to choose the Senators they want to represent them
in the US Senate, but Senators are supposed to represent the states, not the
people.
The passage of the 17th amendment was the beginning of Big Federal Government
that now threatens our freedom. With the passage of the 17th amendment, we
now have two Houses representing the people and no one representing the
states.
Of course this is all in theory. In fact, the President, House, and Senate
all represent special interests.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Norma" |
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14 Aug 2004 09:56:29 AM |
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"InsuranceBroker" <insurancenj@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040814091227.25456.00003099@mb-m29.aol.com...
Subject: Re: Alan Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
From: (Paul Revere)
Date: 8/14/2004 1:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <KfhTc.814$xs.449@okepread02>
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/
9396846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Keyes is Constitutionally correct.
The President represents the federal government, the House represents the
people, and the Senate was intended to represent the states.
Senators were not elected until about 1900. The record of electing
senators
prety much shows that it really is an expensive useless thing.
Interesting. Alan Keyes in a person I respect very much. I had never hear
do this before and now must give it some consideration. Thanks for bringing
it to my attention. Norma
Obama may trust the people to choose the Senators they want to represent
them
in the US Senate, but Senators are supposed to represent the states, not
the
people.
The passage of the 17th amendment was the beginning of Big Federal
Government
that now threatens our freedom. With the passage of the 17th amendment,
we
now have two Houses representing the people and no one representing the
states.
Of course this is all in theory. In fact, the President, House, and
Senate
all represent special interests.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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14 Aug 2004 11:47:10 AM |
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One thing you should notice in this exchange is the fact that Obama
continues to support the popular election of U.S. senators...which is
exactly what he is depending on to get his ***** into the Senate.
Then he said, "I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they
want to represent them in the U.S. Senate...That is the very basis of our
democracy."
Democrats continually confuse the terms democracy and republic for some
reason...maybe because, given the cahnce, they have no intention of
maintaining this country as a republic.
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16 Aug 2004 11:45:35 AM |
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In article <KfhTc.814$xs.449@okepread02>, (Paul Revere) wrote:
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/939684
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Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
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Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Keyes is Constitutionally correct.
The President represents the federal government, the House represents the
people, and the Senate was intended to represent the states.
Obama may trust the people to choose the Senators they want to represent them
in the US Senate, but Senators are supposed to represent the states, not the
people.
The passage of the 17th amendment was the beginning of Big Federal Government
that now threatens our freedom. With the passage of the 17th amendment, we
now have two Houses representing the people and no one representing the
states.
øŸšstates' soveriegnty ended in 1861 or there abouts when the Federal
Government basically said they had no right to withdraw from the union and
proceeded to settle the debate by force. Ironically, as a Southerner, I
think the position of the General Aeesmbly in Columbia was in error and
Lincoln made the right call. Never-the-less the 17th amendment simply
codified what already existed, absolute federal supremacy over the states.
Of course this is all in theory. In fact, the President, House, and Senate
all represent special interests.
And whose fault is that, you could of course vote the rascals out, you just
have to convince your neighbor to think for himslf and not based on what he
sees on TV.
fundamentalism, fundamentally wrong.
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15 Aug 2004 09:44:25 AM |
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Paul Revere wrote:
In article <31sqh0dh306cm8kpaupfd9nti4p3o1arpo@4ax.com>, Harry Hope
<rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 8/13/04:
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/news/special_packages/election2004/9396846
.htm
Keyes Wants to End Election of Senators
MIKE ROBINSON
Associated Press
CHICAGO -
Alan Keyes said Friday he would like to end the system under which the
people elect U.S. senators and return to pre-1913 practice in which
senators were chosen by state legislatures.
The Republican Senate candidate in Illinois, asked about past comments
on the election process, said the constitutional amendment that
provided for popular election of senators upset the balance between
the people and the states.
"The balance is utterly destroyed when the senators are directly
elected because the state government as such no longer plays any role
in the deliberations at the federal level," Keyes said at a taping of
WBBM Newsradio's "At Issue" program.
He said it was one of the reasons "there has been a steady deleterious
erosion of the sovereign role of the states."
Keyes' Democratic rival, state Sen. Barack Obama of Chicago, issued a
statement saying he supports popular election of U.S. senators.
"I certainly trust the people of Illinois to choose who they want to
represent them in the U.S. Senate," he said.
"That is the very basis of our democracy."
Keyes said he did not consider repealing the 17th Amendment a high
priority.
"But if I ever see an opportunity in politics to promote it, I will,"
he said.
___________________________________________________________
Ya got it? Good.
Harry
Keyes is Constitutionally correct.
The President represents the federal government, the House represents the
people, and the Senate was intended to represent the states.
The direct election of Senators is actually LESS democratic than
their appointment by the state legislators if one considers the
need for adequate information on the part of the electorate.
Votes from the brainwashed do not constitute democracy. When
the size of the constituency is an entire state it is far to easy
to package up a candidate and sell that candidate like a car or a
set of tires using one way mass media as a means to define the
issues and the candidate(s). The constituency sizes for seats in
the state legislatures are much smaller and it is possible to
unseat these wielders of power without the need for massize
investments in advertising. And knowing that these people will
be appointing the Senators much more care is will have been taken
in their selection.
http://GreaterVoice.org/econ/quotes/Madison.php
"Should Experience or public opinion require an equal and universal
suffrage for each branch of the Government such as prevails generally
in the U.S., (then) a resource favorable to the rights of landed and
other property, when its possessors become the Minority, may be found
in the enlargement of the Election Districts for ONE branch of the
Legislature and a prolongation of its period of service. Large
districts are manifestly favorable to the election of persons of
general respectability, and of probable attachment to the rights of
property, over competitors depending on the personal solicitations
practicable on a contracted theater. And although an ambitious
candidate, of personal distinction, might occasionally recommend
himself to popular choice by espousing a popular though unjust
object, it might rarely happen to many districts at the same time.
The tendency of a longer period of service would be, to render the
Body more stable in its policy, and more capable of stemming
popular currents taking a wrong direction, till reason and justice
could regain their ascendancy."
Obama may trust the people to choose the Senators they want to represent
them in the US Senate, but Senators are supposed to represent the states,
not the people.
See above. The state IS the people (of that state). The people of
the state were probably a lot more concerned and involved with the
election of state legislators and thus much more likely to define
issues and to be better informed. This translates into more control
in the hands of the common people. Of course large political parties
still detract from this grass roots form of representative democracy.
The passage of the 17th amendment was the beginning of Big Federal
Government
that now threatens our freedom. With the passage of the 17th amendment,
we now have two Houses representing the people and no one representing the
states.
Of course this is all in theory. In fact, the President, House, and
Senate all represent special interests.
The Seanate would, in any case, probably represent special interests;
the interests of the powerful. But the limitation of 435 voters
in the House as well as the direct election of Senators secured the
aristocratic existence of the two political parties. And in the last
25 years we have seen the morph into ONE party. Both parties are
financed by the same special interests and the two candidates struggle
to differentiate themselves while still pleasing the sources of
campaign funding.
--
"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of society but
the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough
to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy
is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by
education." - Thomas Jefferson. http://GreaterVoice.org
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