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Object: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7534
December 3, 2007
America is Going Fascist
The signs are all there for anyone to see, and time is getting short
for action
by Michael Nenonen
Reading Naomi Wolf’s The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young
Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007), I realized the hour is later
than I thought.
Many of us have watched the Bush regime’s actions with a growing
feeling of horror intertwined with a sense that somehow we’ve seen all
of this before, but we aren’t sure where.
We’re confused because what we’re seeing conflicts with unexamined and
deeply held assumptions we have about American freedom.
Wolf’s short but meticulously documented book shows that what is
happening in America has indeed happened many times before, not in the
United States, but rather in places like Chile, Italy, Russia, and
Germany.
In each case, people couldn’t understand why they didn’t recognize
where they were heading before they passed the point of no return.
It's shifting fast
Wolf argues that the United States is undergoing a “fascist shift”
from an authoritarian but still relatively open society to a
totalitarian society.
The techniques for forcing this shift have evolved over the last
century and are now studied by aspiring tyrants the world over.
These methods are even part of the formal curriculum in places like
the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, previously
known as the School of the Americas, in Fort Benning, Georgia, where
thousands of Latin Americans have been trained by the United States
government in the most savage techniques of insurgency and
counterinsurgency.
Fascists use ten basic strategies to shut down open societies.
They invoke an external and internal threat in order to convince the
population to grant their rulers extraordinary powers.
They establish secret prisons that practice torture, prisons that are
initially few in number and only incarcerate social pariahs, but that
quickly multiply and soon imprison “opposition leaders, outspoken
clergy, union leaders, well-known performers, publishers, and
journalists.”
They develop a paramilitary force that operates without legal
restraint.
They set up a system of intense domestic surveillance that gathers
information for the purposes of intimidating and blackmailing
citizens.
They infiltrate, monitor, and disorganize citizens’ groups.
They arbitrarily detain and release citizens, especially at borders.
They target key individuals like civil servants, academics, and
artists in order to ensure their complicity or silence.
They take control of the press.
They publicly equate dissent with treason.
Finally, they suspend the rule of law.
All of these strategies are being employed in America today.
Consider the evidence
The Bush administration and its supporters have consistently portrayed
the security threat posed by international terrorists as a threat to
the very survival of Western civilization in order to justify
permanent war and to keep the American public in a state of panic and
paranoia.
The prisons at Guantanamo and God-knows how many CIA “Black Sites”
torture their inmates, even though human rights organizations have
demonstrated that the majority of at least Guantanamo’s inmates are
innocent victims of mass arrests.
The inmates are designated as “enemy combatants” who have no rights
under international or American law.
And there is nothing stopping American presidents from filling these
prisons with American citizens.
In an April 24 2007 article for the Huffington Post, Wolf writes that
thanks to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, “the president has the
power to call any US citizen an ‘enemy combatant’.
He has the power to define what ‘enemy combatant’ means.
The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive
branch the right to define ‘enemy combatant’ any way he or she wants
and then seize Americans accordingly.
Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be
completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the
power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow,
or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy
brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while
awaiting trial.”
She points out that while currently Americans in such situations will
be spared any torture except psychosis-inducing isolation and can look
forward to eventual trials, these rights typically evaporate in the
final stages of a fascist shift.
They're called "mercenaries"
Military contractors are the regime’s paramilitary force.
Blackwater’s mercenaries, many of whom were trained by Latin America’s
most horrific police states, have operated in Iraq outside of Iraqi,
American, and military law, and have murdered uncounted innocent
Iraqis with impunity.
Domestically, Blackwater was contracted to provide hundreds of armed
security guards in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and
there’s evidence that they fired on civilians.
Blackwater’s business plan calls for their use in future disasters and
emergencies throughout the United States, and it’s supported by some
of the biggest powerbrokers in America.
American intelligence agencies are now bypassing court orders to
wiretap citizens’ telephones, spy on their e-mails, and monitor their
financial transactions, and the USA Patriot Act forces corporations,
booksellers, librarians, and doctors to turn over previously
confidential information about Americans to the state.
Thousands of human rights, environmental, anti-war, and other
citizens’ groups have been infiltrated by government agents, many of
whom have clearly acted as agent provocateurs in order to undermine
the groups’ solidarity and to legitimize police actions against them.
Political opponents listed
America’s Transportation Security Administration maintains a terrorist
watch list of tens of thousands of Americans who are now subjected to
security searches and arbitrary detention at airports.
The list includes people like Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy and
respected constitutional scholar Walter F Murphy.
US Attorneys, CIA agents, military lawyers, and other civil servants
who’ve disagreed with the Bush administration have been threatened and
fired.
David Horowitz and his colleagues have mounted a well-funded
nation-wide intimidation campaign that has university students spying
on their professors and that has successfully coerced regents at State
Universities to discipline or fire left-leaning professors like Ward
Churchill.
The regime’s supporters have organized campaigns to damage the careers
of artists like the Dixie Chicks for criticism of the president and
his policies.
The administration has Fox News in its pocket, it has paid journalists
for positive coverage, it has disseminated misinformation through the
media, and it’s ferociously attacking critical journalists.
Arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high.
The Bush administration’s outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame was
done in retaliation against her husband, Joseph Wilson, whose New York
Times op-ed piece exposed lies that the Bush administration used to
lead the nation to war.
Worse than this, independent journalists appear to be marked for death
by American forces in Iraq.
In her Huffington Post article, Wolf writes, “The Committee to Protect
Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in
Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning
independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging
from al-Jazeera to the BBC. . . . In some cases reporters have been
wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and
the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US
military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were
unable to see the evidence against their staffers.” The goal of these
tactics, as she writes in The End of America, is to create “a new
reality in which the truth can no longer be ascertained and no longer
counts.”
Dissent = treason
In recent years, prominent Republicans like Ann Coulter, Melanie
Morgan, and William Kristol have accused liberal journalists of
treason and espionage for publishing leaked material damaging to the
administration, and in February 2007, Republican Congressman Don Young
said “Congressmen who wilfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are sabateurs, and should be
hanged.”
This would be amusing, were it not for the Bush administration’s
revival of the draconian 1917 Espionage Act after half a century’s
slumber.
And finally, the Bush administration shows contempt for the law.
In The End of America, Wolf writes that Bush has used more signing
statements than any previous president, and by doing so has relegated
“Congress to an advisory role. This abuse lets the President choose
what laws he wishes to enforce or not, overruling Congress and the
people. So Americans are living under laws their representatives never
passed. Signing statements put the president above the law.”
He has also gutted the Posse Comitatus Act, which was created to
prevent the president from maintaining a standing army for use against
American citizens.
Wolf writes that the 2007 Defence Authorization Bill lets the
president “expand his power to declare martial law and take charge of
the National Guard troops without the permission of the governor when
‘public order’ has been lost; he can send these troops out into our
streets at his direction—overriding local law enforcement
authorities—during a national disaster, epidemic, serious public
health emergency, terrorist attack, or ‘other condition.’”
On its own, this is an incredible expansion of presidential power, but
when combined with the use of military contractors like Blackwater it
gives the president almost dictatorial authority.
Wolf shows that fascist shifts don’t happen overnight, but rather over
a course of years during which the fascists’ plans unfold at an
accelerating pace.
Germany in 1933 was further along this path than it was in 1931, and
Germany in 1935 was farther along than it was in 1933.
Similarly, America in 2007 is farther along the path than it was in
2005, or will be in 2009, provided that a massive pro-democracy
movement, complete with impeachment proceedings, doesn’t reverse the
shift while there’s still time.
A simple Democratic victory in the 2008 presidential election won’t do
the job unless the institutional and legal environment created by the
Bush administration is thoroughly dismantled.
Regardless of whether the next president is a Republican or a
Democrat, he or she will inherit a legacy of centralized power that a
democracy simply can’t tolerate.
Left behind
Unfortunately, during the shift opposition politicians and activists
still tend to perceive the world through a democratic frame of
reference, and this prevents them from seeing that their opponents are
no longer operating within this frame.
As the opposition is tying its boxing gloves, the fascists are
breaking out the machetes.
Wolf’s work has its problems.
She doesn't acknowledge that Black and Indigenous Americans have long
lived under quasi-fascist rule, she doesn't examine the role that
previous administrations have played in setting the stage for the Bush
regime, and she doesn't acknowledge the roles played by corporatism,
widespread social dislocation and the radical Christian right in the
rise of a fascist American zeitgeist.
Despite this, The End of America needs to be read by as many people as
possible.
________________________________________________________
Harry
.

User: "XXX"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 03 Dec 2007 01:15:42 PM
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7534

December 3, 2007

America is Going Fascist

What do you mean "going"?

The signs are all there for anyone to see, and time is getting short
for action

by Michael Nenonen

Reading Naomi Wolf’s The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young
Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007), I realized the hour is later
than I thought.

Many of us have watched the Bush regime’s actions with a growing
feeling of horror intertwined with a sense that somehow we’ve seen all
of this before, but we aren’t sure where.

We’re confused because what we’re seeing conflicts with unexamined and
deeply held assumptions we have about American freedom.

Wolf’s short but meticulously documented book shows that what is
happening in America has indeed happened many times before, not in the
United States, but rather in places like Chile, Italy, Russia, and
Germany.

In each case, people couldn’t understand why they didn’t recognize
where they were heading before they passed the point of no return.

It's shifting fast

Wolf argues that the United States is undergoing a “fascist shift”
from an authoritarian but still relatively open society to a
totalitarian society.

The techniques for forcing this shift have evolved over the last
century and are now studied by aspiring tyrants the world over.

These methods are even part of the formal curriculum in places like
the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, previously
known as the School of the Americas, in Fort Benning, Georgia, where
thousands of Latin Americans have been trained by the United States
government in the most savage techniques of insurgency and
counterinsurgency.

Fascists use ten basic strategies to shut down open societies.

They invoke an external and internal threat in order to convince the
population to grant their rulers extraordinary powers.

They establish secret prisons that practice torture, prisons that are
initially few in number and only incarcerate social pariahs, but that
quickly multiply and soon imprison “opposition leaders, outspoken
clergy, union leaders, well-known performers, publishers, and
journalists.”

They develop a paramilitary force that operates without legal
restraint.

They set up a system of intense domestic surveillance that gathers
information for the purposes of intimidating and blackmailing
citizens.

They infiltrate, monitor, and disorganize citizens’ groups.

They arbitrarily detain and release citizens, especially at borders.

They target key individuals like civil servants, academics, and
artists in order to ensure their complicity or silence.

They take control of the press.

They publicly equate dissent with treason.

Finally, they suspend the rule of law.

All of these strategies are being employed in America today.

Consider the evidence

The Bush administration and its supporters have consistently portrayed
the security threat posed by international terrorists as a threat to
the very survival of Western civilization in order to justify
permanent war and to keep the American public in a state of panic and
paranoia.

The prisons at Guantanamo and God-knows how many CIA “Black Sites”
torture their inmates, even though human rights organizations have
demonstrated that the majority of at least Guantanamo’s inmates are
innocent victims of mass arrests.

The inmates are designated as “enemy combatants” who have no rights
under international or American law.

And there is nothing stopping American presidents from filling these
prisons with American citizens.

In an April 24 2007 article for the Huffington Post, Wolf writes that
thanks to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, “the president has the
power to call any US citizen an ‘enemy combatant’.

He has the power to define what ‘enemy combatant’ means.

The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive
branch the right to define ‘enemy combatant’ any way he or she wants
and then seize Americans accordingly.

Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be
completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the
power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow,
or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy
brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while
awaiting trial.”

She points out that while currently Americans in such situations will
be spared any torture except psychosis-inducing isolation and can look
forward to eventual trials, these rights typically evaporate in the
final stages of a fascist shift.

They're called "mercenaries"

Military contractors are the regime’s paramilitary force.

Blackwater’s mercenaries, many of whom were trained by Latin America’s
most horrific police states, have operated in Iraq outside of Iraqi,
American, and military law, and have murdered uncounted innocent
Iraqis with impunity.

Domestically, Blackwater was contracted to provide hundreds of armed
security guards in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and
there’s evidence that they fired on civilians.

Blackwater’s business plan calls for their use in future disasters and
emergencies throughout the United States, and it’s supported by some
of the biggest powerbrokers in America.

American intelligence agencies are now bypassing court orders to
wiretap citizens’ telephones, spy on their e-mails, and monitor their
financial transactions, and the USA Patriot Act forces corporations,
booksellers, librarians, and doctors to turn over previously
confidential information about Americans to the state.

Thousands of human rights, environmental, anti-war, and other
citizens’ groups have been infiltrated by government agents, many of
whom have clearly acted as agent provocateurs in order to undermine
the groups’ solidarity and to legitimize police actions against them.

Political opponents listed

America’s Transportation Security Administration maintains a terrorist
watch list of tens of thousands of Americans who are now subjected to
security searches and arbitrary detention at airports.

The list includes people like Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy and
respected constitutional scholar Walter F Murphy.

US Attorneys, CIA agents, military lawyers, and other civil servants
who’ve disagreed with the Bush administration have been threatened and
fired.

David Horowitz and his colleagues have mounted a well-funded
nation-wide intimidation campaign that has university students spying
on their professors and that has successfully coerced regents at State
Universities to discipline or fire left-leaning professors like Ward
Churchill.

The regime’s supporters have organized campaigns to damage the careers
of artists like the Dixie Chicks for criticism of the president and
his policies.

The administration has Fox News in its pocket, it has paid journalists
for positive coverage, it has disseminated misinformation through the
media, and it’s ferociously attacking critical journalists.

Arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high.

The Bush administration’s outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame was
done in retaliation against her husband, Joseph Wilson, whose New York
Times op-ed piece exposed lies that the Bush administration used to
lead the nation to war.

Worse than this, independent journalists appear to be marked for death
by American forces in Iraq.

In her Huffington Post article, Wolf writes, “The Committee to Protect
Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in
Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning
independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging
from al-Jazeera to the BBC. . . . In some cases reporters have been
wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and
the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US
military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were
unable to see the evidence against their staffers.” The goal of these
tactics, as she writes in The End of America, is to create “a new
reality in which the truth can no longer be ascertained and no longer
counts.”

Dissent = treason

In recent years, prominent Republicans like Ann Coulter, Melanie
Morgan, and William Kristol have accused liberal journalists of
treason and espionage for publishing leaked material damaging to the
administration, and in February 2007, Republican Congressman Don Young
said “Congressmen who wilfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are sabateurs, and should be
hanged.”

This would be amusing, were it not for the Bush administration’s
revival of the draconian 1917 Espionage Act after half a century’s
slumber.

And finally, the Bush administration shows contempt for the law.

In The End of America, Wolf writes that Bush has used more signing
statements than any previous president, and by doing so has relegated
“Congress to an advisory role. This abuse lets the President choose
what laws he wishes to enforce or not, overruling Congress and the
people. So Americans are living under laws their representatives never
passed. Signing statements put the president above the law.”

He has also gutted the Posse Comitatus Act, which was created to
prevent the president from maintaining a standing army for use against
American citizens.

Wolf writes that the 2007 Defence Authorization Bill lets the
president “expand his power to declare martial law and take charge of
the National Guard troops without the permission of the governor when
‘public order’ has been lost; he can send these troops out into our
streets at his direction—overriding local law enforcement
authorities—during a national disaster, epidemic, serious public
health emergency, terrorist attack, or ‘other condition.’”

On its own, this is an incredible expansion of presidential power, but
when combined with the use of military contractors like Blackwater it
gives the president almost dictatorial authority.

Wolf shows that fascist shifts don’t happen overnight, but rather over
a course of years during which the fascists’ plans unfold at an
accelerating pace.

Germany in 1933 was further along this path than it was in 1931, and
Germany in 1935 was farther along than it was in 1933.

Similarly, America in 2007 is farther along the path than it was in
2005, or will be in 2009, provided that a massive pro-democracy
movement, complete with impeachment proceedings, doesn’t reverse the
shift while there’s still time.

A simple Democratic victory in the 2008 presidential election won’t do
the job unless the institutional and legal environment created by the
Bush administration is thoroughly dismantled.

Regardless of whether the next president is a Republican or a
Democrat, he or she will inherit a legacy of centralized power that a
democracy simply can’t tolerate.

Left behind

Unfortunately, during the shift opposition politicians and activists
still tend to perceive the world through a democratic frame of
reference, and this prevents them from seeing that their opponents are
no longer operating within this frame.

As the opposition is tying its boxing gloves, the fascists are
breaking out the machetes.

Wolf’s work has its problems.

She doesn't acknowledge that Black and Indigenous Americans have long
lived under quasi-fascist rule, she doesn't examine the role that
previous administrations have played in setting the stage for the Bush
regime, and she doesn't acknowledge the roles played by corporatism,
widespread social dislocation and the radical Christian right in the
rise of a fascist American zeitgeist.

Despite this, The End of America needs to be read by as many people as
possible.

________________________________________________________

Harry

.
User: "JoeC"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyoneto see. 03 Dec 2007 06:21:21 PM
XXX wrote:

Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7534

December 3, 2007

America is Going Fascist


What do you mean "going"?

The signs are all there for anyone to see, and time is getting short
for action

by Michael Nenonen

Reading Naomi Wolf’s The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young
Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007), I realized the hour is later
than I thought.

Many of us have watched the Bush regime’s actions with a growing
feeling of horror intertwined with a sense that somehow we’ve seen all
of this before, but we aren’t sure where.

We’re confused because what we’re seeing conflicts with unexamined and
deeply held assumptions we have about American freedom.

Wolf’s short but meticulously documented book shows that what is
happening in America has indeed happened many times before, not in the
United States, but rather in places like Chile, Italy, Russia, and
Germany.

In each case, people couldn’t understand why they didn’t recognize
where they were heading before they passed the point of no return.

It's shifting fast

Wolf argues that the United States is undergoing a “fascist shift”
from an authoritarian but still relatively open society to a
totalitarian society.

The techniques for forcing this shift have evolved over the last
century and are now studied by aspiring tyrants the world over.

These methods are even part of the formal curriculum in places like
the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, previously
known as the School of the Americas, in Fort Benning, Georgia, where
thousands of Latin Americans have been trained by the United States
government in the most savage techniques of insurgency and
counterinsurgency.

Fascists use ten basic strategies to shut down open societies.

They invoke an external and internal threat in order to convince the
population to grant their rulers extraordinary powers.

They establish secret prisons that practice torture, prisons that are
initially few in number and only incarcerate social pariahs, but that
quickly multiply and soon imprison “opposition leaders, outspoken
clergy, union leaders, well-known performers, publishers, and
journalists.”

They develop a paramilitary force that operates without legal
restraint.

They set up a system of intense domestic surveillance that gathers
information for the purposes of intimidating and blackmailing
citizens.

They infiltrate, monitor, and disorganize citizens’ groups.

They arbitrarily detain and release citizens, especially at borders.

They target key individuals like civil servants, academics, and
artists in order to ensure their complicity or silence.

They take control of the press.

They publicly equate dissent with treason.

Finally, they suspend the rule of law.

All of these strategies are being employed in America today.

Consider the evidence

The Bush administration and its supporters have consistently portrayed
the security threat posed by international terrorists as a threat to
the very survival of Western civilization in order to justify
permanent war and to keep the American public in a state of panic and
paranoia.

The prisons at Guantanamo and God-knows how many CIA “Black Sites”
torture their inmates, even though human rights organizations have
demonstrated that the majority of at least Guantanamo’s inmates are
innocent victims of mass arrests.

The inmates are designated as “enemy combatants” who have no rights
under international or American law.

And there is nothing stopping American presidents from filling these
prisons with American citizens.

In an April 24 2007 article for the Huffington Post, Wolf writes that
thanks to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, “the president has the
power to call any US citizen an ‘enemy combatant’.

He has the power to define what ‘enemy combatant’ means.

The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive
branch the right to define ‘enemy combatant’ any way he or she wants
and then seize Americans accordingly.

Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be
completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the
power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow,
or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy
brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while
awaiting trial.”

She points out that while currently Americans in such situations will
be spared any torture except psychosis-inducing isolation and can look
forward to eventual trials, these rights typically evaporate in the
final stages of a fascist shift.

They're called "mercenaries"

Military contractors are the regime’s paramilitary force.

Blackwater’s mercenaries, many of whom were trained by Latin America’s
most horrific police states, have operated in Iraq outside of Iraqi,
American, and military law, and have murdered uncounted innocent
Iraqis with impunity.

Domestically, Blackwater was contracted to provide hundreds of armed
security guards in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and
there’s evidence that they fired on civilians.

Blackwater’s business plan calls for their use in future disasters and
emergencies throughout the United States, and it’s supported by some
of the biggest powerbrokers in America.

American intelligence agencies are now bypassing court orders to
wiretap citizens’ telephones, spy on their e-mails, and monitor their
financial transactions, and the USA Patriot Act forces corporations,
booksellers, librarians, and doctors to turn over previously
confidential information about Americans to the state.

Thousands of human rights, environmental, anti-war, and other
citizens’ groups have been infiltrated by government agents, many of
whom have clearly acted as agent provocateurs in order to undermine
the groups’ solidarity and to legitimize police actions against them.

Political opponents listed

America’s Transportation Security Administration maintains a terrorist
watch list of tens of thousands of Americans who are now subjected to
security searches and arbitrary detention at airports.

The list includes people like Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy and
respected constitutional scholar Walter F Murphy.

US Attorneys, CIA agents, military lawyers, and other civil servants
who’ve disagreed with the Bush administration have been threatened and
fired.

David Horowitz and his colleagues have mounted a well-funded
nation-wide intimidation campaign that has university students spying
on their professors and that has successfully coerced regents at State
Universities to discipline or fire left-leaning professors like Ward
Churchill.

The regime’s supporters have organized campaigns to damage the careers
of artists like the Dixie Chicks for criticism of the president and
his policies.

The administration has Fox News in its pocket, it has paid journalists
for positive coverage, it has disseminated misinformation through the
media, and it’s ferociously attacking critical journalists.

Arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high.

The Bush administration’s outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame was
done in retaliation against her husband, Joseph Wilson, whose New York
Times op-ed piece exposed lies that the Bush administration used to
lead the nation to war.

Worse than this, independent journalists appear to be marked for death
by American forces in Iraq.

In her Huffington Post article, Wolf writes, “The Committee to Protect
Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in
Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning
independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging
from al-Jazeera to the BBC. . . . In some cases reporters have been
wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and
the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US
military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were
unable to see the evidence against their staffers.” The goal of these
tactics, as she writes in The End of America, is to create “a new
reality in which the truth can no longer be ascertained and no longer
counts.”

Dissent = treason

In recent years, prominent Republicans like Ann Coulter, Melanie
Morgan, and William Kristol have accused liberal journalists of
treason and espionage for publishing leaked material damaging to the
administration, and in February 2007, Republican Congressman Don Young
said “Congressmen who wilfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are sabateurs, and should be
hanged.”

This would be amusing, were it not for the Bush administration’s
revival of the draconian 1917 Espionage Act after half a century’s
slumber.

And finally, the Bush administration shows contempt for the law.

In The End of America, Wolf writes that Bush has used more signing
statements than any previous president, and by doing so has relegated
“Congress to an advisory role. This abuse lets the President choose
what laws he wishes to enforce or not, overruling Congress and the
people. So Americans are living under laws their representatives never
passed. Signing statements put the president above the law.”

He has also gutted the Posse Comitatus Act, which was created to
prevent the president from maintaining a standing army for use against
American citizens.

Wolf writes that the 2007 Defence Authorization Bill lets the
president “expand his power to declare martial law and take charge of
the National Guard troops without the permission of the governor when
‘public order’ has been lost; he can send these troops out into our
streets at his direction—overriding local law enforcement
authorities—during a national disaster, epidemic, serious public
health emergency, terrorist attack, or ‘other condition.’”

On its own, this is an incredible expansion of presidential power, but
when combined with the use of military contractors like Blackwater it
gives the president almost dictatorial authority.

Wolf shows that fascist shifts don’t happen overnight, but rather over
a course of years during which the fascists’ plans unfold at an
accelerating pace.

Germany in 1933 was further along this path than it was in 1931, and
Germany in 1935 was farther along than it was in 1933.

Similarly, America in 2007 is farther along the path than it was in
2005, or will be in 2009, provided that a massive pro-democracy
movement, complete with impeachment proceedings, doesn’t reverse the
shift while there’s still time.

A simple Democratic victory in the 2008 presidential election won’t do
the job unless the institutional and legal environment created by the
Bush administration is thoroughly dismantled.

Regardless of whether the next president is a Republican or a
Democrat, he or she will inherit a legacy of centralized power that a
democracy simply can’t tolerate.

Left behind

Unfortunately, during the shift opposition politicians and activists
still tend to perceive the world through a democratic frame of
reference, and this prevents them from seeing that their opponents are
no longer operating within this frame.

As the opposition is tying its boxing gloves, the fascists are
breaking out the machetes.

Wolf’s work has its problems.

She doesn't acknowledge that Black and Indigenous Americans have long
lived under quasi-fascist rule, she doesn't examine the role that
previous administrations have played in setting the stage for the Bush
regime, and she doesn't acknowledge the roles played by corporatism,
widespread social dislocation and the radical Christian right in the
rise of a fascist American zeitgeist.

Despite this, The End of America needs to be read by as many people as
possible.

________________________________________________________

Harry

There are non credible sources that spew hate and distortions like
infowars.com. There are distortions and things taken out of historical
context. Only a historical moron or one that has allowed history to be
revised would take any stock of these arguments and exaturations. It is
all based on some distorted template and hate they have and have had
even before this war began. When all is said and done Bush will be out
of office in 2009 and if they don't believe that they have a mental
disorder shown in "A Beautiful Mind". Opposition parties win elections
but they don't have the political skill to win many disputes in the
current constitutional system that has not changed much in 200 years.
If these clowns really thought the US was going fascists they would be
scared to write what they write and that is the proof that the argument
is crap. They in many cases are more likely to criminalize policy
disputes. They can't win in elections so they create crimes in place of
defeating political opponents in the electoral process. To them when
they are not in power it is an unjust country. I don't want those
clowns running the country. The political class want open borders the
Democrats wants the votes and Republicans want the cheep labor. How
many Illegals does Pelosi employ in her vineyards.
Nutty Where Wolf has no courage to write against some system that does
not exist in which there is no risk to free speech. The risk she takes
is a vast majority of people me included who come to the conclusions on
our own that she is a crazy radical. I will use my vote so long as I
can to block the policies of her and people like her.
.


User: "JoeC"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyoneto see. 03 Dec 2007 06:06:26 PM
Harry Hope wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7534

December 3, 2007

America is Going Fascist

The signs are all there for anyone to see, and time is getting short
for action

by Michael Nenonen


Reading Naomi Wolf’s The End of America: Letter of Warning to a Young
Patriot (Chelsea Green Publishing, 2007), I realized the hour is later
than I thought.

Many of us have watched the Bush regime’s actions with a growing
feeling of horror intertwined with a sense that somehow we’ve seen all
of this before, but we aren’t sure where.

We’re confused because what we’re seeing conflicts with unexamined and
deeply held assumptions we have about American freedom.

Wolf’s short but meticulously documented book shows that what is
happening in America has indeed happened many times before, not in the
United States, but rather in places like Chile, Italy, Russia, and
Germany.

In each case, people couldn’t understand why they didn’t recognize
where they were heading before they passed the point of no return.

It's shifting fast

Wolf argues that the United States is undergoing a “fascist shift”
from an authoritarian but still relatively open society to a
totalitarian society.

The techniques for forcing this shift have evolved over the last
century and are now studied by aspiring tyrants the world over.

These methods are even part of the formal curriculum in places like
the Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation, previously
known as the School of the Americas, in Fort Benning, Georgia, where
thousands of Latin Americans have been trained by the United States
government in the most savage techniques of insurgency and
counterinsurgency.

Fascists use ten basic strategies to shut down open societies.

They invoke an external and internal threat in order to convince the
population to grant their rulers extraordinary powers.

They establish secret prisons that practice torture, prisons that are
initially few in number and only incarcerate social pariahs, but that
quickly multiply and soon imprison “opposition leaders, outspoken
clergy, union leaders, well-known performers, publishers, and
journalists.”

They develop a paramilitary force that operates without legal
restraint.

They set up a system of intense domestic surveillance that gathers
information for the purposes of intimidating and blackmailing
citizens.

They infiltrate, monitor, and disorganize citizens’ groups.

They arbitrarily detain and release citizens, especially at borders.

They target key individuals like civil servants, academics, and
artists in order to ensure their complicity or silence.

They take control of the press.

They publicly equate dissent with treason.

Finally, they suspend the rule of law.

All of these strategies are being employed in America today.

Consider the evidence

The Bush administration and its supporters have consistently portrayed
the security threat posed by international terrorists as a threat to
the very survival of Western civilization in order to justify
permanent war and to keep the American public in a state of panic and
paranoia.

The prisons at Guantanamo and God-knows how many CIA “Black Sites”
torture their inmates, even though human rights organizations have
demonstrated that the majority of at least Guantanamo’s inmates are
innocent victims of mass arrests.

The inmates are designated as “enemy combatants” who have no rights
under international or American law.

And there is nothing stopping American presidents from filling these
prisons with American citizens.

In an April 24 2007 article for the Huffington Post, Wolf writes that
thanks to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, “the president has the
power to call any US citizen an ‘enemy combatant’.

He has the power to define what ‘enemy combatant’ means.

The president can also delegate to anyone he chooses in the executive
branch the right to define ‘enemy combatant’ any way he or she wants
and then seize Americans accordingly.

Even if you or I are American citizens, even if we turn out to be
completely innocent of what he has accused us of doing, he has the
power to have us seized as we are changing planes at Newark tomorrow,
or have us taken with a knock on the door; ship you or me to a navy
brig; and keep you or me in isolation, possibly for months, while
awaiting trial.”

She points out that while currently Americans in such situations will
be spared any torture except psychosis-inducing isolation and can look
forward to eventual trials, these rights typically evaporate in the
final stages of a fascist shift.

They're called "mercenaries"

Military contractors are the regime’s paramilitary force.

Blackwater’s mercenaries, many of whom were trained by Latin America’s
most horrific police states, have operated in Iraq outside of Iraqi,
American, and military law, and have murdered uncounted innocent
Iraqis with impunity.

Domestically, Blackwater was contracted to provide hundreds of armed
security guards in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, and
there’s evidence that they fired on civilians.

Blackwater’s business plan calls for their use in future disasters and
emergencies throughout the United States, and it’s supported by some
of the biggest powerbrokers in America.

American intelligence agencies are now bypassing court orders to
wiretap citizens’ telephones, spy on their e-mails, and monitor their
financial transactions, and the USA Patriot Act forces corporations,
booksellers, librarians, and doctors to turn over previously
confidential information about Americans to the state.

Thousands of human rights, environmental, anti-war, and other
citizens’ groups have been infiltrated by government agents, many of
whom have clearly acted as agent provocateurs in order to undermine
the groups’ solidarity and to legitimize police actions against them.

Political opponents listed

America’s Transportation Security Administration maintains a terrorist
watch list of tens of thousands of Americans who are now subjected to
security searches and arbitrary detention at airports.

The list includes people like Democratic Senator Edward Kennedy and
respected constitutional scholar Walter F Murphy.

US Attorneys, CIA agents, military lawyers, and other civil servants
who’ve disagreed with the Bush administration have been threatened and
fired.

David Horowitz and his colleagues have mounted a well-funded
nation-wide intimidation campaign that has university students spying
on their professors and that has successfully coerced regents at State
Universities to discipline or fire left-leaning professors like Ward
Churchill.

The regime’s supporters have organized campaigns to damage the careers
of artists like the Dixie Chicks for criticism of the president and
his policies.

The administration has Fox News in its pocket, it has paid journalists
for positive coverage, it has disseminated misinformation through the
media, and it’s ferociously attacking critical journalists.

Arrests of US journalists are at an all-time high.

The Bush administration’s outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame was
done in retaliation against her husband, Joseph Wilson, whose New York
Times op-ed piece exposed lies that the Bush administration used to
lead the nation to war.

Worse than this, independent journalists appear to be marked for death
by American forces in Iraq.

In her Huffington Post article, Wolf writes, “The Committee to Protect
Journalists has documented multiple accounts of the US military in
Iraq firing upon or threatening to fire upon unembedded (meaning
independent) reporters and camera operators from organisations ranging
from al-Jazeera to the BBC. . . . In some cases reporters have been
wounded or killed, including ITN's Terry Lloyd in 2003. Both CBS and
the Associated Press in Iraq had staff members seized by the US
military and taken to violent prisons; the news organisations were
unable to see the evidence against their staffers.” The goal of these
tactics, as she writes in The End of America, is to create “a new
reality in which the truth can no longer be ascertained and no longer
counts.”

Dissent = treason

In recent years, prominent Republicans like Ann Coulter, Melanie
Morgan, and William Kristol have accused liberal journalists of
treason and espionage for publishing leaked material damaging to the
administration, and in February 2007, Republican Congressman Don Young
said “Congressmen who wilfully take actions during wartime that damage
morale and undermine the military are sabateurs, and should be
hanged.”

This would be amusing, were it not for the Bush administration’s
revival of the draconian 1917 Espionage Act after half a century’s
slumber.

And finally, the Bush administration shows contempt for the law.

In The End of America, Wolf writes that Bush has used more signing
statements than any previous president, and by doing so has relegated
“Congress to an advisory role. This abuse lets the President choose
what laws he wishes to enforce or not, overruling Congress and the
people. So Americans are living under laws their representatives never
passed. Signing statements put the president above the law.”

He has also gutted the Posse Comitatus Act, which was created to
prevent the president from maintaining a standing army for use against
American citizens.

Wolf writes that the 2007 Defence Authorization Bill lets the
president “expand his power to declare martial law and take charge of
the National Guard troops without the permission of the governor when
‘public order’ has been lost; he can send these troops out into our
streets at his direction—overriding local law enforcement
authorities—during a national disaster, epidemic, serious public
health emergency, terrorist attack, or ‘other condition.’”

On its own, this is an incredible expansion of presidential power, but
when combined with the use of military contractors like Blackwater it
gives the president almost dictatorial authority.

Wolf shows that fascist shifts don’t happen overnight, but rather over
a course of years during which the fascists’ plans unfold at an
accelerating pace.

Germany in 1933 was further along this path than it was in 1931, and
Germany in 1935 was farther along than it was in 1933.

Similarly, America in 2007 is farther along the path than it was in
2005, or will be in 2009, provided that a massive pro-democracy
movement, complete with impeachment proceedings, doesn’t reverse the
shift while there’s still time.

A simple Democratic victory in the 2008 presidential election won’t do
the job unless the institutional and legal environment created by the
Bush administration is thoroughly dismantled.

Regardless of whether the next president is a Republican or a
Democrat, he or she will inherit a legacy of centralized power that a
democracy simply can’t tolerate.

Left behind

Unfortunately, during the shift opposition politicians and activists
still tend to perceive the world through a democratic frame of
reference, and this prevents them from seeing that their opponents are
no longer operating within this frame.

As the opposition is tying its boxing gloves, the fascists are
breaking out the machetes.

Wolf’s work has its problems.

She doesn't acknowledge that Black and Indigenous Americans have long
lived under quasi-fascist rule, she doesn't examine the role that
previous administrations have played in setting the stage for the Bush
regime, and she doesn't acknowledge the roles played by corporatism,
widespread social dislocation and the radical Christian right in the
rise of a fascist American zeitgeist.

Despite this, The End of America needs to be read by as many people as
possible.

________________________________________________________

Harry

I hope so then you people will really be scared because you will start
disappearing and ending up in camps where you belong. We should get it
out and have our civil war where we hunt each other down democracy has
failed because there is no honesty in debate. One view of America will
win and the only to find out where people really stand is for their
lives to be at stake. Bring the culture war to the streets let the mob
rule and overturn our failed system. The system has failed because so
many people have so many ideas that are not connected to reality. Let
the revolution come and we put our lives where our mouths are.
.
User: "Dennis Kemmerer"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 03 Dec 2007 10:52:15 PM
"JoeC" <ncoic@us.army.mil> wrote in message
news:475499ef$0$24329$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

Harry Hope wrote:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7534

[snip]

I hope so then you people

Gotta love 'you people.'
[plonk]
.


User: "Frank Pittel"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 03 Dec 2007 06:21:54 PM
In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: December 3, 2007
: America is Going Fascist
It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.
Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.
<leftwing lies and lunacy deleted>
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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User: "Lamont Cranston"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 04 Dec 2007 11:47:17 AM
"Frank Pittel" <fwp@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote in message
news:_cSdnfAqmuo_AMnanZ2dnUVZ_qXinZ2d@giganews.com...

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


: December 3, 2007

: America is Going Fascist

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib
dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.

Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.

Mussolini said that fascism should more properly be called "corporatism"
since it was, under Mussolini, a blending of state and corporate power.
Mussolini ought to know; he was the first fascist leader. As an economic
system, fascism was widely admired in the west (Churchill considered
Mussolini "a great man" and liked the economic aspects of fascism). In
America fascism was, unsurprisingly, extremely popular among the upper
class. The leading advocates of a fascist economic system to fight the
depression – Germany in the late thirties had beaten the depression – were
the Bush family and other elite clans. There was even a weird kind of
half-assed coup attempt staged against FDR by those same interests in the
mid thirties. Fascism isn’t a puppet of the ruling class. It is an
extension.
Definition: an economic system in which corporations (or the wealthy elite)
are essentially the government and vice versa.
.

User: "JoeC"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyoneto see. 03 Dec 2007 07:19:04 PM
Frank Pittel wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


: December 3, 2007

: America is Going Fascist

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.

Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.

<leftwing lies and lunacy deleted>

This is crap neither side is fascist. This stuff distorts the political
process. Elections are for people to express the direction the country
is to go in. This stupid name calling does no good. I don't like the
Democratic ideas but they are not going to end the political process.
If we loose we come back and try to win and change legislation we don't
like.
.
User: "Marinus van der Lubbe"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyoneto see. 03 Dec 2007 08:02:04 PM
JoeC wrote:

Frank Pittel wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


: December 3, 2007

: America is Going Fascist

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib
dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed
1/2009.

Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.

<leftwing lies and lunacy deleted>



This is crap neither side is fascist. This stuff distorts the political
process. Elections are for people to express the direction the country
is to go in. This stupid name calling does no good. I don't like the
Democratic ideas but they are not going to end the political process. If
we loose we come back and try to win and change legislation we don't like.

Dude, both sides are fascist. It's not mere name calling. The two
parties are both corporatist whores. They say they need contribution
reform, but apparently they don't need it as much as they need those
modest checks from organizations that do not have your best interest at
heart (if they had a heart).
You see these two parties that do call each other names, yet, they
manage to vote in new authoritarian laws, sometimes with a narrow
margin, but still approved.
That's them. Let's talk about you.
What's most pathetic is that there are people like you who keep the lie
alive that there are two parties that somehow are different from each
other. Worse, that Dinocrats are actually on the Left. They are not. The
Left in this country has been defeated and kept down. Where is the Left?
Maybe it's the half of the adults who don't bother register to vote, and
if they did, they would still have to put up with sham elections with
sham choices.
.
User: "Friendly Fred"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 04 Dec 2007 09:29:29 PM
Marinus van der Lubbe <mvdl@reichstagsbrand.de> wrote:

JoeC wrote:

This is crap neither side is fascist. This stuff distorts the political
process. Elections are for people to express the direction the country

Dude, both sides are fascist. It's not mere name calling. The two
parties are both corporatist whores.

Yep! Fascism results from totalitarianism couples with corporate
criminal excess, and in this regards all political parties are
paid for and run by the corporate criminal infrastructure. All
political parties are fascist -- at least the parties they hand
us to play pretend "vote" with.
---
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from demanding
more flag burning laws, more abortion laws, more drug laws, more
obscenity laws, and more police surveillance to remind us that we
need to "get the government off our backs". -- Mitchell Holman
.

User: "JoeC"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyoneto see. 04 Dec 2007 03:41:35 PM
Marinus van der Lubbe wrote:

JoeC wrote:

Frank Pittel wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:


: December 3, 2007

: America is Going Fascist

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser
lib dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed
1/2009.

Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.

<leftwing lies and lunacy deleted>



This is crap neither side is fascist. This stuff distorts the
political process. Elections are for people to express the direction
the country is to go in. This stupid name calling does no good. I
don't like the Democratic ideas but they are not going to end the
political process. If we loose we come back and try to win and change
legislation we don't like.


Dude, both sides are fascist. It's not mere name calling. The two
parties are both corporatist whores. They say they need contribution
reform, but apparently they don't need it as much as they need those
modest checks from organizations that do not have your best interest at
heart (if they had a heart).

You see these two parties that do call each other names, yet, they
manage to vote in new authoritarian laws, sometimes with a narrow
margin, but still approved.

That's them. Let's talk about you.

What's most pathetic is that there are people like you who keep the lie
alive that there are two parties that somehow are different from each
other. Worse, that Dinocrats are actually on the Left. They are not. The
Left in this country has been defeated and kept down. Where is the Left?
Maybe it's the half of the adults who don't bother register to vote, and
if they did, they would still have to put up with sham elections with
sham choices.

I can see the frustration that people don't have faith in the electoral
system. The old vote and they get the benefits of government. People
don't get involved we have a vicious monopolistic media that discourages
many qualified and original people from getting into politics. There
are many parties out there and you can join one that fits with your view
of the world. No person can say what most people think or want we have
no way of knowing. Most people don't care about politics they are out
making a living and enjoying life. Ron Paul is a bit novil and is
getting a small amount of support but still does not match those who are
for the current system. Millions of senior vote to ensure they get
their check in the mail every month.
.


User: ""

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone tosee. 04 Dec 2007 01:37:17 PM
On Dec 3, 8:19 pm, JoeC <nc...@us.army.mil> wrote:

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems
get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.


Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.

What admnistration leader said this:
"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor
in
England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But,
after all,
IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is
always a
simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or
a
fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
Voice or
no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
leaders.
That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED,
and
denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to
danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
I know you thought it was Bush or Cheney or Rove, but it was Hermann
Goering. This philosophy should be dear to Bush's heart because his
family got much of their fortune trading with the Nazi's. Good times
-- sigh.
Topset72
.
User: "Frank Pittel"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 04 Dec 2007 06:59:53 PM
In alt.politics.usa.republican
wrote:
: On Dec 3, 8:19 pm, JoeC <nc...@us.army.mil> wrote:
: > > It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems
: > > get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.
: >
: > > Do your part to save the constitution by voting Republican 11/2007.
: What admnistration leader said this:
: "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor
: in
: England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But,
: after all,
: IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is
: always a
: simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or
: a
: fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
: Voice or
: no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the
: leaders.
: That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED,
: and
: denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
: country to
: danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."
: I know you thought it was Bush or Cheney or Rove, but it was Hermann
: Goering.
It's more like something slick or the queen ***** hillary would say.
--
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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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User: "Lockheed Martin"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 04 Dec 2007 11:37:19 PM
On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:19:04 -0600, JoeC <ncoic@us.army.mil> wrote:

Elections are for people to express the direction the country
is to go in.

Not
America isn't a democracy by the and for the people
America is a cleptocracy and oligarchy for the rich and ***** the rest
i.e.: Oil, Defence, Pharmeutical Industry and so many other thieves
.
User: "Friendly Fred"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 06 Dec 2007 09:22:24 PM
Lockheed Martin <warprofits@whitehouse.gov> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:19:04 -0600, JoeC <ncoic@us.army.mil> wrote:

Elections are for people to express the direction the country
is to go in.

That's what the Czars tell the proletariat, yep.

Not
America isn't a democracy by the and for the people
America is a cleptocracy and oligarchy for the rich and ***** the rest
i.e.: Oil, Defence, Pharmeutical Industry and so many other thieves

In fact the United States has never been a Democracy. It's always
been a Constitutional Republic but the articles of the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights were never intended to apply to all citizens.
Negros and women and all non-property owning white males were
excluded from the process.
This theofascist terrorist regime currently in the White House has
simply implimented "more of the same" albeit much, much worse than
the US has ever seen.
---
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from demanding
more flag burning laws, more abortion laws, more drug laws, more
obscenity laws, and more police surveillance to remind us that we
need to "get the government off our backs". -- Mitchell Holman
The dollar is headed down faster than Republican Family Values crusader
Larry Craig on a big wang in a public restroom. -- Will Durst
.
User: "Lockheed Martin"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 08 Dec 2007 05:49:39 PM
On Fri, 07 Dec 2007 03:22:24 GMT,

(Friendly Fred) wrote:

Lockheed Martin <warprofits@whitehouse.gov> wrote:

On Mon, 03 Dec 2007 19:19:04 -0600, JoeC <ncoic@us.army.mil> wrote:

Elections are for people to express the direction the country
is to go in.


That's what the Czars tell the proletariat, yep.

Not
America isn't a democracy by the and for the people
America is a cleptocracy and oligarchy for the rich and ***** the rest
i.e.: Oil, Defence, Pharmeutical Industry and so many other thieves


In fact the United States has never been a Democracy. It's always
been a Constitutional Republic but the articles of the Constitution
and the Bill of Rights were never intended to apply to all citizens.
Negros and women and all non-property owning white males were
excluded from the process.

This theofascist terrorist regime currently in the White House has
simply implimented "more of the same" albeit much, much worse than
the US has ever seen.

---
Modern Conservative: Someone who can take time out from demanding
more flag burning laws, more abortion laws, more drug laws, more
obscenity laws, and more police surveillance to remind us that we
need to "get the government off our backs". -- Mitchell Holman

The dollar is headed down faster than Republican Family Values crusader
Larry Craig on a big wang in a public restroom. -- Will Durst

When a journalist once asked Henry Kissenger
"Why did you overthrow a democratically elected leader and his govt
in South America through CIA covert op he replied:
"If people are to stupid to not elect a Rightwing govt they don't
deserve to have a democracy."
.




User: ""

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone tosee. 04 Dec 2007 08:07:44 AM
On 4 d=E9c, 01:21, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

: December 3, 2007

: America is Going Fascist

It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dem=

s

get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.=

Tell us, ***** for brain liar hypocrite ***** sexually repressed
taliban repug, what have the democrats done to be called "fascists"?
Why don't you try to answer to the valid points presented by Harry's
posting?
.
User: "Frank Pittel"

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone to see. 04 Dec 2007 06:57:54 PM
In alt.politics.usa.republican
wrote:
: On 4 dec, 01:21, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: >
: > : December 3, 2007
: >
: > : America is Going Fascist
: >
: > It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib dems
: > get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2009.
: Tell us, ***** for brain liar hypocrite ***** sexually repressed
: taliban repug, what have the democrats done to be called "fascists"?
: Why don't you try to answer to the valid points presented by Harry's
: posting?
You really do need to try and untie the knots in your panties.
--
-------------------
Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
.
User: ""

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone tosee. 07 Dec 2007 01:36:52 AM
On 5 d=E9c, 01:57, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican

wrote:

: On 4 dec, 01:21, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote=

:

: >
: > : December 3, 2007
: >
: > : America is Going Fascist
: >
: > It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib=

dems

: > get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2=

009.


: Tell us, ***** for brain liar hypocrite ***** sexually repressed
: taliban repug, what have the democrats done to be called "fascists"?
: Why don't you try to answer to the valid points presented by Harry's
: posting?

You really do need to try and untie the knots in your panties.

Funny, all I do is paraphrase you...
Now, how about answering this very simple question: what have the
democrats done to be called "fascists"?
.

User: ""

Title: Re: America is Going Fascist. The signs are all there for anyone tosee. 05 Dec 2007 01:10:25 AM
On 5 d=E9c, 01:57, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:

In alt.politics.usa.republican

wrote:

: On 4 dec, 01:21, Frank Pittel <f...@warlock.deepthought.com> wrote:
: > In alt.politics.usa.republican Harry Hope <riv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote=

:

: >
: > : December 3, 2007
: >
: > : America is Going Fascist
: >
: > It started in 1/2007 and if the looney tune brain dead lying loser lib=

dems

: > get their way the conversion to a fascist nation will be completed 1/2=

009.


: Tell us, ***** for brain liar hypocrite ***** sexually repressed
: taliban repug, what have the democrats done to be called "fascists"?
: Why don't you try to answer to the valid points presented by Harry's
: posting?

You really do need to try and untie the knots in your panties.

Why, I'm making a Pittel imitation... Uncanny, isn't it?!?
Now, answer the question, please, ***** for brain liar hypocrite
***** sexually repressed taliban repug...
.





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