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User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 20 Aug 2003 08:42:19 AM
Object: America needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq
From The Madison Capital Times, 8/19/03:
http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/column/guest/54989.php
Country needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq
By Ed Garvey

To paraphrase Shakespeare, "We have waded in blood so deep that to
return is as dangerous as to go forward."
We are stuck in Iraq.
Period.
We can't leave, we can't afford to stay, we can't go back to status
quo ante.
No apologies from the Bush administration about lack of planning for
"victory" will permit us to leave.
True, a pipeline explosion, a firefight, another soldier killed has
moved from the front pages of our newspapers to Page 5 or 6, but the
realities of the situation are indeed daunting and will dominate the
campaign for president.
Rebuilding Iraq will cost between $400 billion and $600 billion.
Military costs for Afghanistan and Iraq are $6 billion or 7 billion
per month and things are not going so well in either place.
American influence in Afghanistan is limited to Kabul.
No one is even asking the cost of rebuilding Afghanistan.
If administration officials know, they are not talking.
What is the plan to hold Afghanistan?
Will it be to send more troops to act as targets for terrorism or
leave it to NATO?
Any bets on how long NATO countries will remain if German, Dutch and
French soldiers are regularly killed?
Twelve years of sanctions and two wars against Iraq have left them in
a desperate condition.
Suppose we had an administration that leveled with the people and a
president who would go on national television and explain that we are
obligated to rebuild their hospitals, schools, highways, airports and
indeed their economy.
Suppose he said, "My fellow Americans. We are going to spend 600
billion dollars over the next three years to rebuild this country. To
raise that money, we are going to ask all Americans, including the
wealthy, to contribute to the cause. We will begin by repealing the
tax cuts. And we will cut our defense budget by $100 billion per
year."
Suppose he admitted that postwar Iraq cannot be rebuilt while it
remains an active war zone and to stop that war, we need more troops.
"Turns out the people who were anti-Saddam are not really
pro-American. Why? Possibly because we armed Saddam for our interests
in Iran, but we can't ignore 12 years of misery exacted by our
sanctions. And no one likes an occupying army."
What would happen if George Bush were suddenly hit with an
irresistible urge to tell the truth?
The right wing of his party would probably call for a new candidate in
2004.
These extremists don't care how much it costs.
Why?
Because the true believers like Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth,
described in the New York Times magazine as "a group of zealous
economic conservatives," are out to destroy government as we have
known it since the Great Depression.
The Club for Growth and other extremists who control the Republican
agenda want to create huge budget deficits to force government to get
out of the business of governing.
Let the private sector do it all.
Poverty and suffering are not their concern.
Here we are in mid-August, a mere 14 months from the next election for
president, and we are broke.
This is like the bride and groom discussing where they will go for an
exotic honeymoon while filling out their Chapter 7 bankruptcy form and
cutting up their credit cards.
Most Democrats and independents assume that Bush and the boys just
stumbled into this mess.
It was a lack of planning, incompetence, or bad luck that we were not
ready for an ill-equipped and less than competent Iraqi army to
collapse.
But Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vice President *****
Cheney, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are very smart people
with access to the best and most thoughtful information available
anywhere and this mess was known in advance and accepted as part of
their election strategy.
Think how they have set the table for this election.
America, burdened with Iraq, Afghanistan, and huge domestic deficits
can't afford Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, smaller class size,
more money for special education, affordable housing, new bridges, or
an efficient power grid.
So what is there to talk about?
Terrorism on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and defense needs on Tuesday
and Thursday.
Privatization on the weekend.
If the Democratic nominee demands single-payer national health care,
the right wing talk show hosts will squeal in unison that we "can't
afford it."
And, since taxes have been shifted from the wealthy and the corporate
sector to the individual through payroll taxes, property taxes, user
fees and sales tax, the Republicans will demand more tax cuts.
When faced with a $500 billion deficit on top of $60 billion or $70
billion for Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention rebuilding costs,
Bush will argue the old bromide of supply siders:
"Eliminate taxes and the wealthy will invest in America."
Howard Cosell used to say, "You deserve whatever you get."
I never quite accepted that thought but if we permit the
anti-government folks to dominate the debate in 2004, we will deserve
another four years of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.
But before we move to the domestic agenda, where poverty, failing
schools, poor health care, lack of affordable housing, decaying inner
cities compel our attention, we must demand real answers from the
administration on the plans for turning the Iraq "problem" over to the
United Nations, the cost of rebuilding Iraq and how much they are
prepared to commit to that task.
We deserve some honesty from those responsible for our troops in Iraq.
Perhaps the congressional Democrats should follow the lead of Texas
Democrats and simply shut down the place until Bush answers these
questions:
"How much, how long, how many troops, what's the plan?"
Unless they get the answers, pity the poor Democrat who wins the
nomination.
______________________________________________________
"Clever words are not as good as straight talk."

Chinese proverb.
Harry
.

User: "John Wrate"

Title: Re: America needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq 20 Aug 2003 01:01:48 PM
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<plu6kvodbk404oakvfgokr4u7nvq6482cb@4ax.com>...

From The Madison Capital Times, 8/19/03:
http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/column/guest/54989.php

Country needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq

By Ed Garvey


To paraphrase Shakespeare, "We have waded in blood so deep that to
return is as dangerous as to go forward."

We are stuck in Iraq.

Period.

We can't leave, we can't afford to stay, we can't go back to status
quo ante.

No apologies from the Bush administration about lack of planning for
"victory" will permit us to leave.

True, a pipeline explosion, a firefight, another soldier killed has
moved from the front pages of our newspapers to Page 5 or 6, but the
realities of the situation are indeed daunting and will dominate the
campaign for president.

Rebuilding Iraq will cost between $400 billion and $600 billion.

Military costs for Afghanistan and Iraq are $6 billion or 7 billion
per month and things are not going so well in either place.

American influence in Afghanistan is limited to Kabul.

No one is even asking the cost of rebuilding Afghanistan.

If administration officials know, they are not talking.

What is the plan to hold Afghanistan?

Will it be to send more troops to act as targets for terrorism or
leave it to NATO?

Any bets on how long NATO countries will remain if German, Dutch and
French soldiers are regularly killed?

Twelve years of sanctions and two wars against Iraq have left them in
a desperate condition.

Suppose we had an administration that leveled with the people and a
president who would go on national television and explain that we are
obligated to rebuild their hospitals, schools, highways, airports and
indeed their economy.

Suppose he said, "My fellow Americans. We are going to spend 600
billion dollars over the next three years to rebuild this country. To
raise that money, we are going to ask all Americans, including the
wealthy, to contribute to the cause. We will begin by repealing the
tax cuts. And we will cut our defense budget by $100 billion per
year."

Suppose he admitted that postwar Iraq cannot be rebuilt while it
remains an active war zone and to stop that war, we need more troops.

"Turns out the people who were anti-Saddam are not really
pro-American. Why? Possibly because we armed Saddam for our interests
in Iran, but we can't ignore 12 years of misery exacted by our
sanctions. And no one likes an occupying army."

What would happen if George Bush were suddenly hit with an
irresistible urge to tell the truth?

The right wing of his party would probably call for a new candidate in
2004.

These extremists don't care how much it costs.

Why?

Because the true believers like Stephen Moore of the Club for Growth,
described in the New York Times magazine as "a group of zealous
economic conservatives," are out to destroy government as we have
known it since the Great Depression.

The Club for Growth and other extremists who control the Republican
agenda want to create huge budget deficits to force government to get
out of the business of governing.

Let the private sector do it all.

Poverty and suffering are not their concern.

Here we are in mid-August, a mere 14 months from the next election for
president, and we are broke.

This is like the bride and groom discussing where they will go for an
exotic honeymoon while filling out their Chapter 7 bankruptcy form and
cutting up their credit cards.

Most Democrats and independents assume that Bush and the boys just
stumbled into this mess.

It was a lack of planning, incompetence, or bad luck that we were not
ready for an ill-equipped and less than competent Iraqi army to
collapse.

But Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, Vice President *****
Cheney, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld are very smart people
with access to the best and most thoughtful information available
anywhere and this mess was known in advance and accepted as part of
their election strategy.

Think how they have set the table for this election.

America, burdened with Iraq, Afghanistan, and huge domestic deficits
can't afford Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, smaller class size,
more money for special education, affordable housing, new bridges, or
an efficient power grid.

So what is there to talk about?

Terrorism on Monday, Wednesday and Friday and defense needs on Tuesday
and Thursday.

Privatization on the weekend.

If the Democratic nominee demands single-payer national health care,
the right wing talk show hosts will squeal in unison that we "can't
afford it."

And, since taxes have been shifted from the wealthy and the corporate
sector to the individual through payroll taxes, property taxes, user
fees and sales tax, the Republicans will demand more tax cuts.

When faced with a $500 billion deficit on top of $60 billion or $70
billion for Iraq and Afghanistan, not to mention rebuilding costs,
Bush will argue the old bromide of supply siders:

"Eliminate taxes and the wealthy will invest in America."

Howard Cosell used to say, "You deserve whatever you get."

I never quite accepted that thought but if we permit the
anti-government folks to dominate the debate in 2004, we will deserve
another four years of Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld.

But before we move to the domestic agenda, where poverty, failing
schools, poor health care, lack of affordable housing, decaying inner
cities compel our attention, we must demand real answers from the
administration on the plans for turning the Iraq "problem" over to the
United Nations, the cost of rebuilding Iraq and how much they are
prepared to commit to that task.

We deserve some honesty from those responsible for our troops in Iraq.

Perhaps the congressional Democrats should follow the lead of Texas
Democrats and simply shut down the place until Bush answers these
questions:

"How much, how long, how many troops, what's the plan?"

Unless they get the answers, pity the poor Democrat who wins the
nomination.

______________________________________________________

"Clever words are not as good as straight talk."

Chinese proverb.

Harry

Bush and his Junta are going down, and their taking the entire nation with them.
.
User: "Boomer"

Title: Re: America needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq 20 Aug 2003 01:49:34 PM
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message

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From The Madison Capital Times, 8/19/03:
http://www.madison.com/captimes/opinion/column/guest/54989.php

Country needs straight answers from Bush on Iraq

Bush and his Junta are going down, and their taking the entire nation with

them.
Sure doesn't look much like that. But whoever DOES go, and it will probably
be a herd of Democretins, we hope that you enjoy their trip.
.



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