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An Inconvenient Truth: Gore as climate exaggerator |
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
I have long been a critic of former Vice-President Al Gore, but as a
recent convert to the view that humanity is contributing significantly
to the current increase in average global temperatures, I was trying
to keep a somewhat open mind about his new global warming movie, An
Inconvenient Truth. As a film, An Inconvenient Truth is a competently
made documentary centered on Gore's famous global warming slide show
interspersed with shots of him brooding on the fate of the earth. This
is the sort of movie that appeals to science lecture powerpoint
junkies (of which I am one).
Gore warns that "what is at stake [is] our ability to live on planet
Earth, to have a future as a civilization." Let's take a look at some
of the evidence that he presents to justify this dire conclusion. He
begins by insisting that nothing he has to say is scientifically
controversial. Gore claims to be presenting the "scientific consensus"
on global warming. But is that so?
Well, at least not always. Take sea level rise for example. Gore
spends a lot of time talking about how dramatic melting of the
Antarctic and Greenland ice caps that could raise sea level by 20 feet
by 2100. He shows computer animated maps in which most of southern
Florida, southern Manhattan, Shanghai, and Bangladesh are inundated.
"Think of the impact of a couple hundred thousand refugees, and then
imagine 100 million," says Gore. Of course his reference to the couple
of hundred thousand refugees aims to evoke thoughts about the horrific
experience of New Orleanians last year.
Well, the "consensus" of climate scientists as represented in the
United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is that sea
level is likely to rise between 4 inches to 35 inches with a central
value of 19 inches. Nineteen inches is not nothing and is 3 times
greater than the sea level rise the world experienced during the 20th
century, but Manhattan and most of Florida will most likely still be
above water in 2100. A new study in Science concluded if temperatures
rose steeply that the Greenland ice sheet might melt away in 500 to
1000 years. So fortunately we don't have to worry about the impact of
100 million people fleeing relentlessly rising seas all at once,
though it would be a good idea for builders and insurance companies to
keep the projected rise in sea level in mind.
Gore shows that many mountain glaciers are melting away all around the
world—glaciers in Alaska, Europe and Mount Kilimanjaro—are responding
to increased warming. (Though the glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro seem
to be melting away because of changes in rainfall patterns rather than
to increased heat. Of course, it is possible that the shift in
rainfall is the result of global warming.)
As further evidence of warming, Gore notes that permafrost is melting
in parts of Alaska and Siberia. The temperatures in central Siberia
are thought to have increased by 3 degrees Celsius over the past 40
years. This not only causes engineering and infrastructure problems,
but might also release even more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as
once frozen organic matter begins to decompose. But is this warming
unprecedented? Perhaps not.
A Russian study in 2004 found that the average temperatures in Siberia
during the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 6000 years ago warmed up
by 3 to 9 degrees celcius in the winter, and by 2 to 6 degrees celcius
in the summer. Due to changes in the earth's orbit which affect how
much sunlight reaches the surface, pretty much the entire Arctic was
warmer than now 6000 years ago. Which brings me to the polar bears.
Gore shows an animation of a polar bear (very reminiscent of the Coca
Cola bears) swimming pitifully in the sea trying to haul itself up
onto the last piece of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean. In 2002, the
World Wildlife Fund issued a report warning that global warming was
endangering polar bears. Arctic sea ice is thawing sooner and this
means that the bears who hunt seals on the ice have fewer
opportunities to feed themselves. This week saw an alarming report
that hungry polar bears are turning cannibal. Yet, the WWF report
itself found that most bear populations are either stable or
increasing (see page 9 of the report). And remember, polar bears
evidently survived when Arctic temperatures were warmer 6000 years
ago. Of course, if predictions that the entire Arctic Ocean will be
ice free in 100 year turn out to be right, then the polar bears will
have a problem.
Gore also argues that global warming will increase storminess. As
suggestive evidence, Gore cited several examples of recent severe
weather events across the globe. For example, he pointed the heat wave
that hit Europe in 2003 that killed some 35,000 people with
temperatures hitting 104 degrees Fahrenheit. But historically such
temperatures are not unknown to Europe. In July 1921, a heat wave hit
much of Western Europe with the temperature reaching 104 degrees
Fahrenheit in Strasbourg, France. Gore also pointed to the monsoon
storm in 2005 that dumped 37 inches of rain in 24 hours on Mumbai
India. But storms like that have happened before—even in the United
States. In 1921, Thrall, Texas experienced a 24-hour downpour of 38
inches and Alvin, Texas was soaked with 43 inches over a 24-hour
period in 1979.
Gore points to the devastation of the Hurricane Katrina and flatly
says that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes.
But that claim is hotly contested by climate scientists. For example,
a recent study in Geophysical Research Letters finds "based on data
over the last twenty years, no significant increasing trend is evident
in global ACE [accumulated cyclone energy] or in Category 4–5
hurricanes."
At a climatic moment (pun intended) in the film, Gore traces a red
temperature line inexorably increasing while he declares that 10 of
the hottest years on record occurred in the last 14 years. Then he
asserts that 2005 was the hottest ever. Pause for effect. Basically,
Gore's general point is right but it's just irritating for him not to
acknowledge that 2005 is statistically indistinguishable from 1998.
But doing that would not have had the quite the same dramatic effect
in the film.
Of course, the increase of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere
by burning fossil fuels is thought to be the chief contemporary driver
of global warming. All things being equal higher carbon dioxide levels
lead to higher temperatures. Gore illustrates the relation between
carbon dioxide and temperatures with a chart showing data taken from
ice cores from Antarctica. These ice cores contain tiny bubbles of air
from the earth's atmosphere all the way back to 650,000 years ago.
Scientists measure them to see the proportion of various gases that
were in the atmosphere when the bubbles were trapped. Gore points out
that temperatures and carbon dioxide go up in tandem over the last
four ice ages. But wait—Gore fails to mention something interesting.
Temperatures go up first and then the level of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere increases some 800 or more years later. The one
interpretation is that orbital changes start periods of warming which
then affect ocean circulation such that the oceans begin to release
carbon dioxide into the atmosphere which leads to further warming. In
any case, current carbon dioxide levels are 27 percent higher than
they have been in the last 650,000 years.
Gore overhypes the spread of various diseases due to global warming.
As proof for his claim, he points to the arrival of West Nile virus in
the United States and even hints that avian flu might be affected by
global warming. West Nile virus (WNV) is a mosquito-borne virus that
first appeared in New York City in 1999, apparently somehow arriving
from Israel. It is quickly spreading across the country carried by
birds on which mosquitoes feast. The Centers for Disease Control map
of WNV and related viruses shows that WNV is not confined to tropical
regions. WNV took hold here not because of increases in global
temperatures, but because, like malaria, cholera, and dengue before
it, an appropriate carrier finally made it across the Atlantic.
Lowering global average temperatures is not the way these diseases
will be controlled, effective public health measures and vaccines is.
And of course, outbreaks of flu are not generally associated with
higher temperatures.
Finally, Gore allows that some skeptics of global warming catastrophe
may be sincere in their beliefs; however, he apparently assumes that
most such global warming "deniers" are similar to "tobacco scientists"
who were paid for "studies" that sowed doubt about whether or not
cigarettes can cause lung cancer. Make no mistake about it—what the
tobacco companies did was a despicable attempt by corporations to
hijack and distort science to protect their profits and it backfired.
Perhaps some global warming skeptics are paid advocates (liars), but
many are not. Gore's tobacco industry insinuation is an attempt to
discredit opponents by smear rather than on the basis of scientific
evidence. Why does he bother with such low tactics since the bulk of
the scientific evidence supports his views now? Because partisanship
dies hard.
In An Inconvenient Truth, Gore makes a big deal about how his Harvard
professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, influenced his views about the
dangers of global warming. A genuinely gifted scientist, Revelle was
responsible for the creation of the Mauna Loa Observatory that has
been measuring the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since 1958.
However, Professor Revelle co-authored an article in the house journal
of the Cosmos Club in Washington, DC in 1991 which concluded, “The
scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify
drastic action at this time.” Professor Revelle died shortly after the
article appeared. This conclusion apparently dismayed Gore whose staff
worked behind the scenes to spread the rumor that Revelle's co-authors
had taken advantage of a senile old man and that Revelle's name should
be taken off the article. This sorry episode ended with a lawsuit in
which another Harvard professor who had conferred with Gore's staff
formally apologized for making his insinuations.
In any case few climate scientists now contest the idea that humanity
is contributing to the current warming trend. All of the various data
sets, surface thermometers, satellites and weather balloons, now show
global average warming of about +0.16 degrees Celsius per decade since
1979. Whether or not this rate of warming would lead to catastrophe or
not is still very much an open question. So what, if anything, should
we do about any future warming?
Unfortunately, those who have been skeptical that global warming was
happening at all will now have a credibility problem with the public
when it comes to policy recommendations on how best to handle any
future warming. The much of the public will likely conclude that if
the skeptics were wrong on the science, then they will be wrong on
policy. Of course that's not necessarily the case—being right on
science doesn't mean that one is automatically also an expert on the
proper policy response.
What does Gore recommend? He focuses on policies the cut emissions,
but largely ignores those that would enhance our ability to adapt to
future temperature changes. So An Inconvenient Truth ends with
suggestions for how viewers can personally cut back on their carbon
emissions—install compact fluorescent light bulbs; take mass transit;
adjust thermostats two degrees up in summer and two down in winter;
use less hot water; and plant carbon-absorbing trees. He also urges
viewers to push their Congressional representatives to vote for the
McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act which would
set limits on U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases. Gore advises
consumers to switch to renewable fuels, but is strangely silent on
climate friendly nuclear power. If we did everything Gore recommends,
he claims that our emissions would drop to what they were in 1970—a
cut of over 25 percent. However, some researchers argue that in order
to stop the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that
emissions must be reduced by 70 percent worldwide. A 70 percent cut
would mean lowering U.S. emissions to 1928 levels.
Gore has won the global warming debate—the world is warming as a
consequence of human activity, chiefly the loading up of the
atmosphere with carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. Yet he feels
that he must exaggerate the dangers by propounding implausible
scenarios in which sea levels rise 20 feet by 2100. He pretends that
the science is settled with regard to the effect of global warming on
hurricanes. And he pushes a scientifically tenuous connection between
the spread of diseases and global warming. These are little
inconvenient truths that cut against his belief that global warming
constitutes a climate emergency. On balance Gore gets it more right
than wrong on the science (we'll leave the policy stuff to another
time), but he undercuts his message by becoming the opposite of a
global warming denier. He's a global warming exaggerator.
I give An Inconvenient Truth a tepid 2 stars.
Disclosure: I own a small amount of ExxonMobil stock and I am looking
forward to investing in biotech cellulosic ethanol production someday.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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17 Jun 2006 03:37:47 AM |
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Busy twisting science again?
Yep, it seems so.
I do love the way the oil industry picks and chooses scientific facts to
misrepresent their case.
Here's just a couple:
1. Hurricanes pick up more strength over warmer waters.
Here, you look back only over 20 years and use statistical methods to
try and disprove the science (and computer modeling) that warmer waters
do indeed increase the strength of the storms.
You're mixing scientific fact with a narrow window of statistical data,
and the two can't be used that way.
2. Glacial ice melt
Here, you're quibbling over a hundred years or so in some modeling. Big
deal. If Florida goes under water, it goes under water. Further, you
neglect to mention the acceleration in melting, ie, the non-linear
response nature shows to global warming, and so you refuse to 'factor'
this into your estimates.
I'd love to go on, but it's a waste of time wih you.
Captain Compassion wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
I have long been a critic of former Vice-President Al Gore, but as a
recent convert to the view that humanity is contributing significantly
to the current increase in average global temperatures, I was trying
to keep a somewhat open mind about his new global warming movie, An
Inconvenient Truth. As a film, An Inconvenient Truth is a competently
made documentary centered on Gore's famous global warming slide show
interspersed with shots of him brooding on the fate of the earth. This
is the sort of movie that appeals to science lecture powerpoint
junkies (of which I am one).
Gore warns that "what is at stake [is] our ability to live on planet
Earth, to have a future as a civilization." Let's take a look at some
of the evidence that he presents to justify this dire conclusion. He
begins by insisting that nothing he has to say is scientifically
controversial. Gore claims to be presenting the "scientific consensus"
on global warming. But is that so?
Well, at least not always. Take sea level rise for example. Gore
spends a lot of time talking about how dramatic melting of the
Antarctic and Greenland ice caps that could raise sea level by 20 feet
by 2100. He shows computer animated maps in which most of southern
Florida, southern Manhattan, Shanghai, and Bangladesh are inundated.
"Think of the impact of a couple hundred thousand refugees, and then
imagine 100 million," says Gore. Of course his reference to the couple
of hundred thousand refugees aims to evoke thoughts about the horrific
experience of New Orleanians last year.
Well, the "consensus" of climate scientists as represented in the
United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is that sea
level is likely to rise between 4 inches to 35 inches with a central
value of 19 inches. Nineteen inches is not nothing and is 3 times
greater than the sea level rise the world experienced during the 20th
century, but Manhattan and most of Florida will most likely still be
above water in 2100. A new study in Science concluded if temperatures
rose steeply that the Greenland ice sheet might melt away in 500 to
1000 years. So fortunately we don't have to worry about the impact of
100 million people fleeing relentlessly rising seas all at once,
though it would be a good idea for builders and insurance companies to
keep the projected rise in sea level in mind.
Gore shows that many mountain glaciers are melting away all around the
world—glaciers in Alaska, Europe and Mount Kilimanjaro—are responding
to increased warming. (Though the glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro seem
to be melting away because of changes in rainfall patterns rather than
to increased heat. Of course, it is possible that the shift in
rainfall is the result of global warming.)
As further evidence of warming, Gore notes that permafrost is melting
in parts of Alaska and Siberia. The temperatures in central Siberia
are thought to have increased by 3 degrees Celsius over the past 40
years. This not only causes engineering and infrastructure problems,
but might also release even more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as
once frozen organic matter begins to decompose. But is this warming
unprecedented? Perhaps not.
A Russian study in 2004 found that the average temperatures in Siberia
during the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 6000 years ago warmed up
by 3 to 9 degrees celcius in the winter, and by 2 to 6 degrees celcius
in the summer. Due to changes in the earth's orbit which affect how
much sunlight reaches the surface, pretty much the entire Arctic was
warmer than now 6000 years ago. Which brings me to the polar bears.
Gore shows an animation of a polar bear (very reminiscent of the Coca
Cola bears) swimming pitifully in the sea trying to haul itself up
onto the last piece of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean. In 2002, the
World Wildlife Fund issued a report warning that global warming was
endangering polar bears. Arctic sea ice is thawing sooner and this
means that the bears who hunt seals on the ice have fewer
opportunities to feed themselves. This week saw an alarming report
that hungry polar bears are turning cannibal. Yet, the WWF report
itself found that most bear populations are either stable or
increasing (see page 9 of the report). And remember, polar bears
evidently survived when Arctic temperatures were warmer 6000 years
ago. Of course, if predictions that the entire Arctic Ocean will be
ice free in 100 year turn out to be right, then the polar bears will
have a problem.
Gore also argues that global warming will increase storminess. As
suggestive evidence, Gore cited several examples of recent severe
weather events across the globe. For example, he pointed the heat wave
that hit Europe in 2003 that killed some 35,000 people with
temperatures hitting 104 degrees Fahrenheit. But historically such
temperatures are not unknown to Europe. In July 1921, a heat wave hit
much of Western Europe with the temperature reaching 104 degrees
Fahrenheit in Strasbourg, France. Gore also pointed to the monsoon
storm in 2005 that dumped 37 inches of rain in 24 hours on Mumbai
India. But storms like that have happened before—even in the United
States. In 1921, Thrall, Texas experienced a 24-hour downpour of 38
inches and Alvin, Texas was soaked with 43 inches over a 24-hour
period in 1979.
Gore points to the devastation of the Hurricane Katrina and flatly
says that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes.
But that claim is hotly contested by climate scientists. For example,
a recent study in Geophysical Research Letters finds "based on data
over the last twenty years, no significant increasing trend is evident
in global ACE [accumulated cyclone energy] or in Category 4–5
hurricanes."
At a climatic moment (pun intended) in the film, Gore traces a red
temperature line inexorably increasing while he declares that 10 of
the hottest years on record occurred in the last 14 years. Then he
asserts that 2005 was the hottest ever. Pause for effect. Basically,
Gore's general point is right but it's just irritating for him not to
acknowledge that 2005 is statistically indistinguishable from 1998.
But doing that would not have had the quite the same dramatic effect
in the film.
Of course, the increase of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere
by burning fossil fuels is thought to be the chief contemporary driver
of global warming. All things being equal higher carbon dioxide levels
lead to higher temperatures. Gore illustrates the relation between
carbon dioxide and temperatures with a chart showing data taken from
ice cores from Antarctica. These ice cores contain tiny bubbles of air
from the earth's atmosphere all the way back to 650,000 years ago.
Scientists measure them to see the proportion of various gases that
were in the atmosphere when the bubbles were trapped. Gore points out
that temperatures and carbon dioxide go up in tandem over the last
four ice ages. But wait—Gore fails to mention something interesting.
Temperatures go up first and then the level of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere increases some 800 or more years later. The one
interpretation is that orbital changes start periods of warming which
then affect ocean circulation such that the oceans begin to release
carbon dioxide into the atmosphere which leads to further warming. In
any case, current carbon dioxide levels are 27 percent higher than
they have been in the last 650,000 years.
Gore overhypes the spread of various diseases due to global warming.
As proof for his claim, he points to the arrival of West Nile virus in
the United States and even hints that avian flu might be affected by
global warming. West Nile virus (WNV) is a mosquito-borne virus that
first appeared in New York City in 1999, apparently somehow arriving
from Israel. It is quickly spreading across the country carried by
birds on which mosquitoes feast. The Centers for Disease Control map
of WNV and related viruses shows that WNV is not confined to tropical
regions. WNV took hold here not because of increases in global
temperatures, but because, like malaria, cholera, and dengue before
it, an appropriate carrier finally made it across the Atlantic.
Lowering global average temperatures is not the way these diseases
will be controlled, effective public health measures and vaccines is.
And of course, outbreaks of flu are not generally associated with
higher temperatures.
Finally, Gore allows that some skeptics of global warming catastrophe
may be sincere in their beliefs; however, he apparently assumes that
most such global warming "deniers" are similar to "tobacco scientists"
who were paid for "studies" that sowed doubt about whether or not
cigarettes can cause lung cancer. Make no mistake about it—what the
tobacco companies did was a despicable attempt by corporations to
hijack and distort science to protect their profits and it backfired.
Perhaps some global warming skeptics are paid advocates (liars), but
many are not. Gore's tobacco industry insinuation is an attempt to
discredit opponents by smear rather than on the basis of scientific
evidence. Why does he bother with such low tactics since the bulk of
the scientific evidence supports his views now? Because partisanship
dies hard.
In An Inconvenient Truth, Gore makes a big deal about how his Harvard
professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, influenced his views about the
dangers of global warming. A genuinely gifted scientist, Revelle was
responsible for the creation of the Mauna Loa Observatory that has
been measuring the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since 1958.
However, Professor Revelle co-authored an article in the house journal
of the Cosmos Club in Washington, DC in 1991 which concluded, “The
scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify
drastic action at this time.” Professor Revelle died shortly after the
article appeared. This conclusion apparently dismayed Gore whose staff
worked behind the scenes to spread the rumor that Revelle's co-authors
had taken advantage of a senile old man and that Revelle's name should
be taken off the article. This sorry episode ended with a lawsuit in
which another Harvard professor who had conferred with Gore's staff
formally apologized for making his insinuations.
In any case few climate scientists now contest the idea that humanity
is contributing to the current warming trend. All of the various data
sets, surface thermometers, satellites and weather balloons, now show
global average warming of about +0.16 degrees Celsius per decade since
1979. Whether or not this rate of warming would lead to catastrophe or
not is still very much an open question. So what, if anything, should
we do about any future warming?
Unfortunately, those who have been skeptical that global warming was
happening at all will now have a credibility problem with the public
when it comes to policy recommendations on how best to handle any
future warming. The much of the public will likely conclude that if
the skeptics were wrong on the science, then they will be wrong on
policy. Of course that's not necessarily the case—being right on
science doesn't mean that one is automatically also an expert on the
proper policy response.
What does Gore recommend? He focuses on policies the cut emissions,
but largely ignores those that would enhance our ability to adapt to
future temperature changes. So An Inconvenient Truth ends with
suggestions for how viewers can personally cut back on their carbon
emissions—install compact fluorescent light bulbs; take mass transit;
adjust thermostats two degrees up in summer and two down in winter;
use less hot water; and plant carbon-absorbing trees. He also urges
viewers to push their Congressional representatives to vote for the
McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act which would
set limits on U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases. Gore advises
consumers to switch to renewable fuels, but is strangely silent on
climate friendly nuclear power. If we did everything Gore recommends,
he claims that our emissions would drop to what they were in 1970—a
cut of over 25 percent. However, some researchers argue that in order
to stop the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that
emissions must be reduced by 70 percent worldwide. A 70 percent cut
would mean lowering U.S. emissions to 1928 levels.
Gore has won the global warming debate—the world is warming as a
consequence of human activity, chiefly the loading up of the
atmosphere with carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. Yet he feels
that he must exaggerate the dangers by propounding implausible
scenarios in which sea levels rise 20 feet by 2100. He pretends that
the science is settled with regard to the effect of global warming on
hurricanes. And he pushes a scientifically tenuous connection between
the spread of diseases and global warming. These are little
inconvenient truths that cut against his belief that global warming
constitutes a climate emergency. On balance Gore gets it more right
than wrong on the science (we'll leave the policy stuff to another
time), but he undercuts his message by becoming the opposite of a
global warming denier. He's a global warming exaggerator.
I give An Inconvenient Truth a tepid 2 stars.
Disclosure: I own a small amount of ExxonMobil stock and I am looking
forward to investing in biotech cellulosic ethanol production someday.
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17 Jun 2006 11:51:52 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:37:47 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Busy twisting science again?
Yep, it seems so.
I do love the way the oil industry picks and chooses scientific facts to
misrepresent their case.
Here's just a couple:
1. Hurricanes pick up more strength over warmer waters.
Here, you look back only over 20 years and use statistical methods to
try and disprove the science (and computer modeling) that warmer waters
do indeed increase the strength of the storms.
You're mixing scientific fact with a narrow window of statistical data,
and the two can't be used that way.
2. Glacial ice melt
Here, you're quibbling over a hundred years or so in some modeling. Big
deal. If Florida goes under water, it goes under water. Further, you
neglect to mention the acceleration in melting, ie, the non-linear
response nature shows to global warming, and so you refuse to 'factor'
this into your estimates.
I'd love to go on, but it's a waste of time wih you.
The Captain has always been an Agnostic on this faith based kind of
stuff.
Captain Compassion wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
I have long been a critic of former Vice-President Al Gore, but as a
recent convert to the view that humanity is contributing significantly
to the current increase in average global temperatures, I was trying
to keep a somewhat open mind about his new global warming movie, An
Inconvenient Truth. As a film, An Inconvenient Truth is a competently
made documentary centered on Gore's famous global warming slide show
interspersed with shots of him brooding on the fate of the earth. This
is the sort of movie that appeals to science lecture powerpoint
junkies (of which I am one).
Gore warns that "what is at stake [is] our ability to live on planet
Earth, to have a future as a civilization." Let's take a look at some
of the evidence that he presents to justify this dire conclusion. He
begins by insisting that nothing he has to say is scientifically
controversial. Gore claims to be presenting the "scientific consensus"
on global warming. But is that so?
Well, at least not always. Take sea level rise for example. Gore
spends a lot of time talking about how dramatic melting of the
Antarctic and Greenland ice caps that could raise sea level by 20 feet
by 2100. He shows computer animated maps in which most of southern
Florida, southern Manhattan, Shanghai, and Bangladesh are inundated.
"Think of the impact of a couple hundred thousand refugees, and then
imagine 100 million," says Gore. Of course his reference to the couple
of hundred thousand refugees aims to evoke thoughts about the horrific
experience of New Orleanians last year.
Well, the "consensus" of climate scientists as represented in the
United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change is that sea
level is likely to rise between 4 inches to 35 inches with a central
value of 19 inches. Nineteen inches is not nothing and is 3 times
greater than the sea level rise the world experienced during the 20th
century, but Manhattan and most of Florida will most likely still be
above water in 2100. A new study in Science concluded if temperatures
rose steeply that the Greenland ice sheet might melt away in 500 to
1000 years. So fortunately we don't have to worry about the impact of
100 million people fleeing relentlessly rising seas all at once,
though it would be a good idea for builders and insurance companies to
keep the projected rise in sea level in mind.
Gore shows that many mountain glaciers are melting away all around the
world—glaciers in Alaska, Europe and Mount Kilimanjaro—are responding
to increased warming. (Though the glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro seem
to be melting away because of changes in rainfall patterns rather than
to increased heat. Of course, it is possible that the shift in
rainfall is the result of global warming.)
As further evidence of warming, Gore notes that permafrost is melting
in parts of Alaska and Siberia. The temperatures in central Siberia
are thought to have increased by 3 degrees Celsius over the past 40
years. This not only causes engineering and infrastructure problems,
but might also release even more carbon dioxide into the atmosphere as
once frozen organic matter begins to decompose. But is this warming
unprecedented? Perhaps not.
A Russian study in 2004 found that the average temperatures in Siberia
during the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 6000 years ago warmed up
by 3 to 9 degrees celcius in the winter, and by 2 to 6 degrees celcius
in the summer. Due to changes in the earth's orbit which affect how
much sunlight reaches the surface, pretty much the entire Arctic was
warmer than now 6000 years ago. Which brings me to the polar bears.
Gore shows an animation of a polar bear (very reminiscent of the Coca
Cola bears) swimming pitifully in the sea trying to haul itself up
onto the last piece of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean. In 2002, the
World Wildlife Fund issued a report warning that global warming was
endangering polar bears. Arctic sea ice is thawing sooner and this
means that the bears who hunt seals on the ice have fewer
opportunities to feed themselves. This week saw an alarming report
that hungry polar bears are turning cannibal. Yet, the WWF report
itself found that most bear populations are either stable or
increasing (see page 9 of the report). And remember, polar bears
evidently survived when Arctic temperatures were warmer 6000 years
ago. Of course, if predictions that the entire Arctic Ocean will be
ice free in 100 year turn out to be right, then the polar bears will
have a problem.
Gore also argues that global warming will increase storminess. As
suggestive evidence, Gore cited several examples of recent severe
weather events across the globe. For example, he pointed the heat wave
that hit Europe in 2003 that killed some 35,000 people with
temperatures hitting 104 degrees Fahrenheit. But historically such
temperatures are not unknown to Europe. In July 1921, a heat wave hit
much of Western Europe with the temperature reaching 104 degrees
Fahrenheit in Strasbourg, France. Gore also pointed to the monsoon
storm in 2005 that dumped 37 inches of rain in 24 hours on Mumbai
India. But storms like that have happened before—even in the United
States. In 1921, Thrall, Texas experienced a 24-hour downpour of 38
inches and Alvin, Texas was soaked with 43 inches over a 24-hour
period in 1979.
Gore points to the devastation of the Hurricane Katrina and flatly
says that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes.
But that claim is hotly contested by climate scientists. For example,
a recent study in Geophysical Research Letters finds "based on data
over the last twenty years, no significant increasing trend is evident
in global ACE [accumulated cyclone energy] or in Category 4–5
hurricanes."
At a climatic moment (pun intended) in the film, Gore traces a red
temperature line inexorably increasing while he declares that 10 of
the hottest years on record occurred in the last 14 years. Then he
asserts that 2005 was the hottest ever. Pause for effect. Basically,
Gore's general point is right but it's just irritating for him not to
acknowledge that 2005 is statistically indistinguishable from 1998.
But doing that would not have had the quite the same dramatic effect
in the film.
Of course, the increase of carbon dioxide released into the atmosphere
by burning fossil fuels is thought to be the chief contemporary driver
of global warming. All things being equal higher carbon dioxide levels
lead to higher temperatures. Gore illustrates the relation between
carbon dioxide and temperatures with a chart showing data taken from
ice cores from Antarctica. These ice cores contain tiny bubbles of air
from the earth's atmosphere all the way back to 650,000 years ago.
Scientists measure them to see the proportion of various gases that
were in the atmosphere when the bubbles were trapped. Gore points out
that temperatures and carbon dioxide go up in tandem over the last
four ice ages. But wait—Gore fails to mention something interesting.
Temperatures go up first and then the level of carbon dioxide in the
atmosphere increases some 800 or more years later. The one
interpretation is that orbital changes start periods of warming which
then affect ocean circulation such that the oceans begin to release
carbon dioxide into the atmosphere which leads to further warming. In
any case, current carbon dioxide levels are 27 percent higher than
they have been in the last 650,000 years.
Gore overhypes the spread of various diseases due to global warming.
As proof for his claim, he points to the arrival of West Nile virus in
the United States and even hints that avian flu might be affected by
global warming. West Nile virus (WNV) is a mosquito-borne virus that
first appeared in New York City in 1999, apparently somehow arriving
from Israel. It is quickly spreading across the country carried by
birds on which mosquitoes feast. The Centers for Disease Control map
of WNV and related viruses shows that WNV is not confined to tropical
regions. WNV took hold here not because of increases in global
temperatures, but because, like malaria, cholera, and dengue before
it, an appropriate carrier finally made it across the Atlantic.
Lowering global average temperatures is not the way these diseases
will be controlled, effective public health measures and vaccines is.
And of course, outbreaks of flu are not generally associated with
higher temperatures.
Finally, Gore allows that some skeptics of global warming catastrophe
may be sincere in their beliefs; however, he apparently assumes that
most such global warming "deniers" are similar to "tobacco scientists"
who were paid for "studies" that sowed doubt about whether or not
cigarettes can cause lung cancer. Make no mistake about it—what the
tobacco companies did was a despicable attempt by corporations to
hijack and distort science to protect their profits and it backfired.
Perhaps some global warming skeptics are paid advocates (liars), but
many are not. Gore's tobacco industry insinuation is an attempt to
discredit opponents by smear rather than on the basis of scientific
evidence. Why does he bother with such low tactics since the bulk of
the scientific evidence supports his views now? Because partisanship
dies hard.
In An Inconvenient Truth, Gore makes a big deal about how his Harvard
professor, oceanographer Roger Revelle, influenced his views about the
dangers of global warming. A genuinely gifted scientist, Revelle was
responsible for the creation of the Mauna Loa Observatory that has
been measuring the increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide since 1958.
However, Professor Revelle co-authored an article in the house journal
of the Cosmos Club in Washington, DC in 1991 which concluded, “The
scientific base for a greenhouse warming is too uncertain to justify
drastic action at this time.” Professor Revelle died shortly after the
article appeared. This conclusion apparently dismayed Gore whose staff
worked behind the scenes to spread the rumor that Revelle's co-authors
had taken advantage of a senile old man and that Revelle's name should
be taken off the article. This sorry episode ended with a lawsuit in
which another Harvard professor who had conferred with Gore's staff
formally apologized for making his insinuations.
In any case few climate scientists now contest the idea that humanity
is contributing to the current warming trend. All of the various data
sets, surface thermometers, satellites and weather balloons, now show
global average warming of about +0.16 degrees Celsius per decade since
1979. Whether or not this rate of warming would lead to catastrophe or
not is still very much an open question. So what, if anything, should
we do about any future warming?
Unfortunately, those who have been skeptical that global warming was
happening at all will now have a credibility problem with the public
when it comes to policy recommendations on how best to handle any
future warming. The much of the public will likely conclude that if
the skeptics were wrong on the science, then they will be wrong on
policy. Of course that's not necessarily the case—being right on
science doesn't mean that one is automatically also an expert on the
proper policy response.
What does Gore recommend? He focuses on policies the cut emissions,
but largely ignores those that would enhance our ability to adapt to
future temperature changes. So An Inconvenient Truth ends with
suggestions for how viewers can personally cut back on their carbon
emissions—install compact fluorescent light bulbs; take mass transit;
adjust thermostats two degrees up in summer and two down in winter;
use less hot water; and plant carbon-absorbing trees. He also urges
viewers to push their Congressional representatives to vote for the
McCain-Lieberman Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act which would
set limits on U.S. emissions of greenhouse gases. Gore advises
consumers to switch to renewable fuels, but is strangely silent on
climate friendly nuclear power. If we did everything Gore recommends,
he claims that our emissions would drop to what they were in 1970—a
cut of over 25 percent. However, some researchers argue that in order
to stop the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that
emissions must be reduced by 70 percent worldwide. A 70 percent cut
would mean lowering U.S. emissions to 1928 levels.
Gore has won the global warming debate—the world is warming as a
consequence of human activity, chiefly the loading up of the
atmosphere with carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels. Yet he feels
that he must exaggerate the dangers by propounding implausible
scenarios in which sea levels rise 20 feet by 2100. He pretends that
the science is settled with regard to the effect of global warming on
hurricanes. And he pushes a scientifically tenuous connection between
the spread of diseases and global warming. These are little
inconvenient truths that cut against his belief that global warming
constitutes a climate emergency. On balance Gore gets it more right
than wrong on the science (we'll leave the policy stuff to another
time), but he undercuts his message by becoming the opposite of a
global warming denier. He's a global warming exaggerator.
I give An Inconvenient Truth a tepid 2 stars.
Disclosure: I own a small amount of ExxonMobil stock and I am looking
forward to investing in biotech cellulosic ethanol production someday.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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20 Jun 2006 12:57:15 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:51:52 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
The Captain has always been an Agnostic on this faith based kind of
stuff.
The Captain just got plonked for quoting 282 lines of text to respond
with 2.
Swill
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"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
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Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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20 Jun 2006 10:51:14 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:57:15 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:51:52 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
The Captain has always been an Agnostic on this faith based kind of
stuff.
The Captain just got plonked for quoting 282 lines of text to respond
with 2.
Law of parsimony - the principle that entities should not be
multiplied needlessly; the simplest of two competing theories is to be
preferred.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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20 Jun 2006 01:48:59 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:57:15 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
The Captain just got plonked for quoting 282 lines of text to respond
with 2.
Law of parsimony - the principle that entities should not be
multiplied needlessly;
If you believed that, you would have cut from your earlier post the
nearly three hundred lines I had already read and which were available
for review by simply scrolling back up the thread.
the simplest of two competing theories is to be
preferred.
Until one or the other is definitively proven.
Swill
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"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
Formal dinner: A place where the forks are on the left, and the politics are on the right.
God's Universe http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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20 Jun 2006 08:44:46 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 14:48:59 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:51:14 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:57:15 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
The Captain just got plonked for quoting 282 lines of text to respond
with 2.
Law of parsimony - the principle that entities should not be
multiplied needlessly;
If you believed that, you would have cut from your earlier post the
nearly three hundred lines I had already read and which were available
for review by simply scrolling back up the thread.
As a general rule the Captain tries not to hack apart posts. If you
have problems downloading longer posts you might want to dump the 2400
baud modem and go to broadband.
the simplest of two competing theories is to be
preferred.
Until one or the other is definitively proven.
Swill
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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22 Jun 2006 02:03:13 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:44:46 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
As a general rule the Captain tries not to hack apart posts. If you
have problems downloading longer posts you might want to dump the 2400
baud modem and go to broadband.
It's not the download time. Not on an 8M connection. It's all the
scrolling through words I've read before to find, well, not much worth
reading.
Swill
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"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
Formal dinner: A place where the forks are on the left, and the politics are on the right.
God's Universe http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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22 Jun 2006 10:00:42 AM |
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OK.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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20 Jun 2006 12:56:35 AM |
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On Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:37:47 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
I'd love to go on, but it's a waste of time wih you.
Less of my time would have been wasted had you edited what you
responded to.
That said, both sides "play up" the data that supports their position.
Swill
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"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
Formal dinner: A place where the forks are on the left, and the politics are on the right.
God's Universe http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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20 Jun 2006 12:55:24 AM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt. That human activity is exacerbating it is still under debate.
Considering the potential risks, it might be better to err on the side
of caution and begin to take steps to minimize the effects of human
activities on the environment.
Ironically, pollution regulations designed to reduce particulate and
non warming gasses may be as responsible for warming as the fact of
burning fossil fuels in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
"Global dimming is the gradual reduction in the amount of global
hemispherical irradiance (or total solar irradiance) at the Earth's
surface, observed since the beginning of systematic measurements in
1950s. The effect varies by location, but worldwide it is of the order
of a 5% reduction over the three decades from 1960–1990. This trend
has reversed during the past decade. Global dimming creates a cooling
effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases
on global warming."
Swill
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"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
Formal dinner: A place where the forks are on the left, and the politics are on the right.
God's Universe http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html
Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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20 Jun 2006 10:38:35 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
That human activity is exacerbating it is still under debate.
Considering the potential risks, it might be better to err on the side
of caution and begin to take steps to minimize the effects of human
activities on the environment.
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling the poor and the dispossessed how many camel chips they can
put on their cook fires.
Ironically, pollution regulations designed to reduce particulate and
non warming gasses may be as responsible for warming as the fact of
burning fossil fuels in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
"Global dimming is the gradual reduction in the amount of global
hemispherical irradiance (or total solar irradiance) at the Earth's
surface, observed since the beginning of systematic measurements in
1950s. The effect varies by location, but worldwide it is of the order
of a 5% reduction over the three decades from 1960–1990. This trend
has reversed during the past decade. Global dimming creates a cooling
effect that may have partially masked the effect of greenhouse gases
on global warming."
The global dimming theory is the old global cooling theory of the
70's.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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20 Jun 2006 12:21:28 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
CO2 levels are well above anything in recent (500,000 yr) history.
Surface temperatures genererally track CO2 levels very closely.
However, this time, they aren't. While the CO2 has spiked, the
temperatures have not - they kinda reached a plateau of about
the same level as previous warm spells. This makes sane people
wonder if past temperatures were following CO2 levels, or if
the CO2 levels were following temperatures ... an artifact of
warming rather than a principle cause.
Now we COULD be burning-up some buffer between us and the effects
of ultra-high CO2 - and when the buffer is gone temperatures will
spike upwards 20 degrees. Or maybe not. Could be you've gotta heat
the whole ocean in order to push land temperatures above a certain
point. Or maybe not.
In any event, these questions are NOT 'settled' no matter what
AlBore may say.
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20 Jun 2006 12:27:18 PM |
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B1ackwater wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
CO2 levels are well above anything in recent (500,000 yr) history.
Surface temperatures genererally track CO2 levels very closely.
However, this time, they aren't. While the CO2 has spiked, the
temperatures have not - they kinda reached a plateau of about
the same level as previous warm spells. This makes sane people
wonder if past temperatures were following CO2 levels, or if
the CO2 levels were following temperatures ... an artifact of
warming rather than a principle cause.
Now we COULD be burning-up some buffer between us and the effects
of ultra-high CO2 - and when the buffer is gone temperatures will
spike upwards 20 degrees. Or maybe not. Could be you've gotta heat
the whole ocean in order to push land temperatures above a certain
point. Or maybe not.
In any event, these questions are NOT 'settled' no matter what
AlBore may say.
Wonder if "global warming" comes from AlWhore's hot air?
Anyone who has studied physics and chemistry should remember one quirk
about water: at temperatures below freezing, it expands; that's why ice
cubes float. I doubt that polar ice cap melting would produce that
much of a change in mean sea level. Erosion (Mississippi River delta
as an example) is likely to contribute more to the sea level rise than
a temperature change. Food for thought.
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20 Jun 2006 04:47:44 PM |
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On 20 Jun 2006 10:27:18 -0700, "morticide" <grvan@netzero.net> wrote:
B1ackwater wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
CO2 levels are well above anything in recent (500,000 yr) history.
Surface temperatures genererally track CO2 levels very closely.
However, this time, they aren't. While the CO2 has spiked, the
temperatures have not - they kinda reached a plateau of about
the same level as previous warm spells. This makes sane people
wonder if past temperatures were following CO2 levels, or if
the CO2 levels were following temperatures ... an artifact of
warming rather than a principle cause.
Now we COULD be burning-up some buffer between us and the effects
of ultra-high CO2 - and when the buffer is gone temperatures will
spike upwards 20 degrees. Or maybe not. Could be you've gotta heat
the whole ocean in order to push land temperatures above a certain
point. Or maybe not.
In any event, these questions are NOT 'settled' no matter what
AlBore may say.
Wonder if "global warming" comes from AlWhore's hot air?
Anyone who has studied physics and chemistry should remember one quirk
about water: at temperatures below freezing, it expands; that's why ice
cubes float. I doubt that polar ice cap melting would produce that
much of a change in mean sea level.
The ice in the arctic ocean - and in the ice shelves around
antarctica - could all melt and sea level wouldn't change one
millimeter. The problem is that once that ice is gone you
start melting ice that's on LAND ... NOT already floating.
THAT would cause sea level to rise. Fortunately, the land
most of this ice is on will STILL be a cold place even if
there's considerable GW. Melting would be from the edges
and proceed very slowly. We oughtta find a fix before
things get critical.
Erosion (Mississippi River delta
as an example) is likely to contribute more to the sea level rise than
a temperature change. Food for thought.
Erosion IS a contributor. Large-scale bumps and dips in the
tectonic plates will affect sea level too. If the area of
the mid-atlantic ridge came up a fraction of an inch it
would displace a LOT of ocean ... onto what's currently land.
Oh well, MY plan is to inject ultrafine dust into the upper
stratosphere - blocking a percent or two of solar infrared
just like big volcanic events do. The volcanos throw out a
full size spectrum of dust ... but we could use just the
PERFECT sized particles and thus get away with using vastly
less material.
I figure old 747s could be refitted with wing extentions and
engines optimized for high-altitude performance ... get 'em
up to 60 or 70 thousand feet where they could disperse the dust.
Oughtta float up there for several years at least, the volcanic
stuff does and it's at a somewhat lower altitude. It WILL settle
eventually however, which is GOOD ... doesn't trap us in 'shade'
longer than necessary, makes it easy to tweak the climate
correction just right.
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| User: "Erik A. Mattila" |
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20 Jun 2006 05:59:15 PM |
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morticide wrote:
B1ackwater wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
CO2 levels are well above anything in recent (500,000 yr) history.
Surface temperatures genererally track CO2 levels very closely.
However, this time, they aren't. While the CO2 has spiked, the
temperatures have not - they kinda reached a plateau of about
the same level as previous warm spells. This makes sane people
wonder if past temperatures were following CO2 levels, or if
the CO2 levels were following temperatures ... an artifact of
warming rather than a principle cause.
Now we COULD be burning-up some buffer between us and the effects
of ultra-high CO2 - and when the buffer is gone temperatures will
spike upwards 20 degrees. Or maybe not. Could be you've gotta heat
the whole ocean in order to push land temperatures above a certain
point. Or maybe not.
In any event, these questions are NOT 'settled' no matter what
AlBore may say.
Wonder if "global warming" comes from AlWhore's hot air?
Anyone who has studied physics and chemistry should remember one quirk
about water: at temperatures below freezing, it expands; that's why ice
cubes float. I doubt that polar ice cap melting would produce that
much of a change in mean sea level. Erosion (Mississippi River delta
as an example) is likely to contribute more to the sea level rise than
a temperature change. Food for thought.
And water expands when it heats up, too. And those predicting sea level
rise are able to distinguish between an "ice cap" and an "ice shelf" -
something you might considering doing before you make your next set of
calculations.
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: An Inconvenient Truth: Gore as climate exaggerator |
20 Jun 2006 01:39:18 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:21:28 GMT, (B1ackwater) wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:55:24 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 23:02:56 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
An Inconvenient Truth
Gore as climate exaggerator
Ronald Bailey
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb061606.shtml
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
CO2 levels are well above anything in recent (500,000 yr) history.
Surface temperatures genererally track CO2 levels very closely.
However, this time, they aren't. While the CO2 has spiked, the
temperatures have not - they kinda reached a plateau of about
the same level as previous warm spells. This makes sane people
wonder if past temperatures were following CO2 levels, or if
the CO2 levels were following temperatures ... an artifact of
warming rather than a principle cause.
Now we COULD be burning-up some buffer between us and the effects
of ultra-high CO2 - and when the buffer is gone temperatures will
spike upwards 20 degrees. Or maybe not. Could be you've gotta heat
the whole ocean in order to push land temperatures above a certain
point. Or maybe not.
In any event, these questions are NOT 'settled' no matter what
AlBore may say.
No.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "Governor Swill" |
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20 Jun 2006 02:04:14 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
Exactly.
That human activity is exacerbating it is still under debate.
Considering the potential risks, it might be better to err on the side
of caution and begin to take steps to minimize the effects of human
activities on the environment.
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling the poor and the dispossessed how many camel chips they can
put on their cook fires.
hehe Burning renewables such as wood and dung doesn't contribute to
inreased CO2 levels since plants absorb the carbon that is released
during burning. Fossil fuels do increase CO2 levels because that
carbon represents sunlight that struck the earth and was absorbed by
plants that eventually became trapped under the earth and until the
19th century were not available for releasing into the air.
Ironically, pollution regulations designed to reduce particulate and
non warming gasses may be as responsible for warming as the fact of
burning fossil fuels in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
"Global dimming is the gradual reduction in the amount of global
hemispherical irradiance (or total solar irradiance) at the Earth's
surface, observed since the beginning of systematic measurements in
1950s.
The global dimming theory is the old global cooling theory of the
70's.
Which was the basis for nuclear winter and is a valid, contemporary
and measurable phenomenon.
I'm not suggesting we eliminate particalute emission regs even though
that might slow GW until we get a better grip on it, just noting an
interesting and relevant process that demonstrates how human activity
directly affects global climate.
Swill
--
"Only anti-Americans I see are those attempting to overturn the constitution, spy on American citizens without warrants, reject the Geneva Convention, gerrymander voting districts for permanent one party rule, sell off American jobs to non-democracies and lie to the American public about reasons for war." - HoneyBadger
"Press one to be monitored by the CIA, press two to be monitored by the FBI, press three to be monitored by the NSA. Press zero if you'd like to speak a live operator and have your source intimidated immediately."
Formal dinner: A place where the forks are on the left, and the politics are on the right.
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Sanity Street http://governorswill.livejournal.com
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: An Inconvenient Truth: Gore as climate exaggerator |
20 Jun 2006 08:57:06 PM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:04:14 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
Exactly.
That human activity is exacerbating it is still under debate.
Considering the potential risks, it might be better to err on the side
of caution and begin to take steps to minimize the effects of human
activities on the environment.
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling the poor and the dispossessed how many camel chips they can
put on their cook fires.
hehe Burning renewables such as wood and dung doesn't contribute to
inreased CO2 levels since plants absorb the carbon that is released
during burning. Fossil fuels do increase CO2 levels because that
carbon represents sunlight that struck the earth and was absorbed by
plants that eventually became trapped under the earth and until the
19th century were not available for releasing into the air.
So maybe we should power our SUVs with wood?
CO2 is CO2. You never know what campfire or SUV is going cause the
earths climate to pass the "tipping point".:)
Ironically, pollution regulations designed to reduce particulate and
non warming gasses may be as responsible for warming as the fact of
burning fossil fuels in the first place.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_dimming
"Global dimming is the gradual reduction in the amount of global
hemispherical irradiance (or total solar irradiance) at the Earth's
surface, observed since the beginning of systematic measurements in
1950s.
The global dimming theory is the old global cooling theory of the
70's.
Which was the basis for nuclear winter and is a valid, contemporary
and measurable phenomenon.
I'm not suggesting we eliminate particalute emission regs even though
that might slow GW until we get a better grip on it, just noting an
interesting and relevant process that demonstrates how human activity
directly affects global climate.
Perhaps vast clouds of microscopic tin foil forced into orbit could
reduce the amount of sunlight reaching the earth reducing the solar
input thus global temperature. Sortta like a global tin foil hat.
--
"Science is the record of dead religions." -- Oscar Wilde
"There are no absolute certainties in this universe. A man must try to
whip order into a yelping pack of probabilities, and uniform success is
impossible." -- Jack Vance
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"War is God's way of teaching Americans geography" -- Ambrose Bierce
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "B1ackwater" |
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| Title: Re: An Inconvenient Truth: Gore as climate exaggerator |
22 Jun 2006 07:36:55 AM |
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On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:57:06 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:04:14 -0400, Governor Swill
<governorswill@comcast.net> wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:38:35 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMverizon.net> wrote:
That the climate is changing and ocean temps increasing is not in
doubt.
Nor is it unique in climatic history.
Exactly.
That human activity is exacerbating it is still under debate.
Considering the potential risks, it might be better to err on the side
of caution and begin to take steps to minimize the effects of human
activities on the environment.
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth
telling the poor and the dispossessed how many camel chips they can
put on their cook fires.
hehe Burning renewables such as wood and dung doesn't contribute to
inreased CO2 levels since plants absorb the carbon that is released
during burning. Fossil fuels do increase CO2 levels because that
carbon represents sunlight that struck the earth and was absorbed by
plants that eventually became trapped under the earth and until the
19th century were not available for releasing into the air.
So maybe we should power our SUVs with wood?
CO2 is CO2. You never know what campfire or SUV is going cause the
earths climate to pass the "tipping point".:)
The next time he farts - THAT'S gonna do it ! It will be all
HIS fault !!! He'd better double-up on the 'Beano' ... :-)
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