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AP: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag' operation |
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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23 Oct 2003 05:14:21 PM |
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"tokugawa" <truth_seeker227@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything to
obfuscate the truth.
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23 Oct 2003 05:47:00 PM |
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
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From: "Ed"
Date: 10/23/2003 6:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <5ZGdnSO-XYMozwWiRVn-sw@comcast.com>
"tokugawa" <truth_seeker227@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything to
obfuscate the truth.
Typical Israel *****. The USS Liberty was not an accident of war. Israel
has just pulled off a Pearl Harbor style attack on Egypt. It is amazing how
much you will cry about the Israel blood that is spilled while you bad mouth
everyone else.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Jerry" |
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24 Oct 2003 07:12:43 AM |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2003 22:14:21 UTC, "Ed" <nesorden@comcast.net> wrote:
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything to
obfuscate the truth.
No, what this NEW information is saying is that Johnson and McNamara
obfuscated the truth about the LIBERTY just like they obfuscated the
truth about Vietnam.
I'm trying to be very open-minded on this subject since I'm pretty
much pro-Israel and one of my Naval Academy classmates was killed
aboard the LIBERTY. I say let's find out the truth and let the chips
fall where they may. I've read all the articles in the Naval
Institute PROCEEDINGS and find the results of the investigation to
smell funny. It's a good question as to why the LIBERTY was where she
was at that time, and maybe she shouldn't have been, but I believe
that she had been told to be there.
Cheers/2,
Jerry
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24 Oct 2003 08:53:26 AM |
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
operation
From: "Jerry"
Date: 10/24/2003 8:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-p3pNInIylxhC@localhost>
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything to
obfuscate the truth.
No, what this NEW information is saying is that Johnson and McNamara
obfuscated the truth about the LIBERTY just like they obfuscated the
truth about Vietnam.
Vietnam killed 52000 Americans and seriously wounded 500,000. It is very clear
that the administration knownly provided wrong information to get congressional
approval for what they wanted to do.
Why is it so difficult to understand that they would not let 34 dead and 170
seriously injuried American sailor matter to their goals.
The refusal to have a real investigation of the USS LIberty is clearly a signal
that they do not want to know the truth. The Israel have military records that
will tell the truth. There are lots of theories about what happened but the
official investigations clearly show a white wash.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "z" |
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27 Oct 2003 03:33:08 PM |
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(InsuranceBroker) wrote in message news:<20031024095326.27544.00000047@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Subject: Re: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
operation
From: "Jerry"
Date: 10/24/2003 8:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-p3pNInIylxhC@localhost>
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything to
obfuscate the truth.
No, what this NEW information is saying is that Johnson and McNamara
obfuscated the truth about the LIBERTY just like they obfuscated the
truth about Vietnam.
Vietnam killed 52000 Americans and seriously wounded 500,000. It is very clear
that the administration knownly provided wrong information to get congressional
approval for what they wanted to do.
Why is it so difficult to understand that they would not let 34 dead and 170
seriously injuried American sailor matter to their goals.
The refusal to have a real investigation of the USS LIberty is clearly a signal
that they do not want to know the truth. The Israel have military records that
will tell the truth. There are lots of theories about what happened but the
official investigations clearly show a white wash.
In other words, you will not rest until some investigation, any
investigation, concludes that Israel was guilty.
US Investigations into Liberty Incident
1) U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 10-18, 1967 The attack was a case
of mistaken identity. Calm conditions and slow ship speed may have
made American flag difficult to identify. No indication the attack was
intended against U.S. ship.
2) CIA Report June 13, 1967 The attack was not made in malice and was
a mistake.
3) Joint Chiefs of Staff Fact Finding Team (Russ Report) June 9-20,
1967 Outlined "findings of fact," bud did not make any findings about
the actual attack.
4) Clifford Report July 18, 1967 No premeditation, but "inexcusable
failures" by Israeli forces constituing "gross negligence."
5) Senate Committee on Foreign Relations 1967 Secretary of Defense
McNamara testified he supported conclusion that the attack was not
intentional.
6) Senate Armed Services Committee Feb. 1, 1968 No conclusion.
Secretary McNamara makes comparison of attack on Liberty to that on
Pueblo with regard to uncertainty about what was happening at the time
of the incident.
7) House Appropriations Committee April-May 1968 Navy communications
"foulup" and no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. Much of report
remains classified.
8) House Armed Services Committee May 10, 1971 Critical of Navy
communications, no conclusion regarding Israeli actions.
9) Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979 Responding to critical
book by Liberty crewman James Ennes, Senate investigation found no
merit to his claim attack was intentional.
10) National Security Agency 1981 Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian
ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors.
11) House Armed Services Committee June 1991 Responding to request
from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations
launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support
allegations made by the Association and no reason for further
investigation.
Israeli Investigations into Liberty Incident
1) Ram Ron Commission June 12, 1967 The attack was made "neither
maliciously nor in gross negligence, but as the result of a bona fide
mistake. Also notes that the Liberty made a mistake as well by
carelessly approaching a war area.
2) Preliminary Inquiry July 1967 There was no malicious intent and no
deviation from the standard of reasonable conduct that would justify a
court-martial.
3) IDF History 1982 The attack was a result of an "innocent error."
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27 Oct 2003 06:26:53 PM |
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Subject: Re: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
operation
From: (z)
Date: 10/27/2003 4:33 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <b5b4685f.0310271333.1c19616@posting.google.com>
insurancenj@aol.com (InsuranceBroker) wrote in message
news:<20031024095326.27544.00000047@mb-m04.aol.com>...
Subject: Re: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
operation
From: "Jerry"
Date: 10/24/2003 8:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <EsFkI7LVLls8-pn2-p3pNInIylxhC@localhost>
As if that can ever be proven. These Israel bashers will try anything
to
obfuscate the truth.
No, what this NEW information is saying is that Johnson and McNamara
obfuscated the truth about the LIBERTY just like they obfuscated the
truth about Vietnam.
Vietnam killed 52000 Americans and seriously wounded 500,000. It is very
clear
that the administration knownly provided wrong information to get
congressional
approval for what they wanted to do.
Why is it so difficult to understand that they would not let 34 dead and
170
seriously injuried American sailor matter to their goals.
The refusal to have a real investigation of the USS LIberty is clearly a
signal
that they do not want to know the truth. The Israel have military records
that
will tell the truth. There are lots of theories about what happened but
the
official investigations clearly show a white wash.
In other words, you will not rest until some investigation, any
investigation, concludes that Israel was guilty.
In my opinion the investigation could come to no other conculsion but if it was
run by someone that could be trusted and they opened the different files to see
what they contained then I would accept the accident claim. It is impossible
to accept that the Israel were not following the ship and that they were
intercepting all the communications in the area. If you believe otherwsie then
you are clueless about the different military and the communication
intereception that is routine. There is no way a major unit like the USS
Liberty did not have a bunch of Israeli interecept unites following every
message.
US Investigations into Liberty Incident
1) U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry June 10-18, 1967 The attack was a case
of mistaken identity. Calm conditions and slow ship speed may have
made American flag difficult to identify.
Ok then tell me why the Israel claim that the shp was moving at 30 knots and
that is why they attacked. The Naval Court of Jun 10-18, 1967 was a whitewash.
They did not look at the different communictions available and they did not
get the Israeli to provide the intercepts that they had to be doing.
No indication the attack was
intended against U.S. ship.
2) CIA Report June 13, 1967 The attack was not made in malice and was
a mistake.
3) Joint Chiefs of Staff Fact Finding Team (Russ Report) June 9-20,
1967 Outlined "findings of fact," bud did not make any findings about
the actual attack.
4) Clifford Report July 18, 1967 No premeditation, but "inexcusable
failures" by Israeli forces constituing "gross negligence."
5) Senate Committee on Foreign Relations 1967 Secretary of Defense
McNamara testified he supported conclusion that the attack was not
intentional.
6) Senate Armed Services Committee Feb. 1, 1968 No conclusion.
Secretary McNamara makes comparison of attack on Liberty to that on
Pueblo with regard to uncertainty about what was happening at the time
of the incident.
7) House Appropriations Committee April-May 1968 Navy communications
"foulup" and no conclusion regarding Israeli actions. Much of report
remains classified.
8) House Armed Services Committee May 10, 1971 Critical of Navy
communications, no conclusion regarding Israeli actions.
9) Senate Select Committee on Intelligence 1979 Responding to critical
book by Liberty crewman James Ennes, Senate investigation found no
merit to his claim attack was intentional.
10) National Security Agency 1981 Liberty was mistaken for an Egyptian
ship as a result of miscalculations and egregious errors.
11) House Armed Services Committee June 1991 Responding to request
from Liberty Veterans Association, Subcommitte on Investigations
launched probe that concluded there was no evidence to support
allegations made by the Association and no reason for further
investigation.
Israeli Investigations into Liberty Incident
1) Ram Ron Commission June 12, 1967 The attack was made "neither
maliciously nor in gross negligence, but as the result of a bona fide
mistake. Also notes that the Liberty made a mistake as well by
carelessly approaching a war area.
Well it was not a war area prior to the Israel attacking Egypt. What a crock
of ***** to make this statement.
2) Preliminary Inquiry July 1967 There was no malicious intent and no
deviation from the standard of reasonable conduct that would justify a
court-martial.
3) IDF History 1982 The attack was a result of an "innocent error."
Well This is not acceptable. I stated I would like an real review not two
groups with vested interest covering each others backs.
The Israel planned and carried out agressive attack on Egypt and they decided
to wipe out the communication ship that was in the path of the invasion of
Egypt. There is plenty of communications that are available to show the facts
but they are still classified. So why does Israel not release all its records
n the matter?
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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23 Oct 2003 11:49:58 PM |
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Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time? I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war. I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not). Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel? Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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24 Oct 2003 07:14:04 AM |
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"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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24 Oct 2003 11:57:31 PM |
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Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
I can buy an American flag at Walmart and that doesn't make a
vessel
I would fly it from, American. Let me remind you that in WWII,
the
Germans put on American uniforms and caused all kinds of havoc
behind
our lines. I don't think our navy ever notified the Israelli's of
the
ships presence and purpose, and you are yet to give any documented
evidence (not here say) to that effect.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
More stupid conspiracy theories.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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25 Oct 2003 08:20:06 AM |
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"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F9A03D9.88A6F4EA@comcast.net...
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
It was 13 miles, and why do you think a surveillance ship is
ever anywhere? Perhaps to do surveillance? (moron)
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
You honestly think the US doesn't have intelligence gathering
ships in the Persian Gulf? You *are* clueless.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It's 13 miles, and it's called 'International waters'.
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Check the liberty site.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
"
"Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he
witnessed Israeli troops
executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai
town of El Arish."
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-egypt1967.html#anchor57289
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=833
Stop living in denial, it's NOT healthy.
cheers....
HJA
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26 Oct 2003 09:09:47 PM |
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"Howard Aubrey" <howard_aubrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<aMumb.625$y5.36406@nnrp1.ptd.net>...
"Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he
witnessed Israeli troops
executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai
town of El Arish."
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-egypt1967.html#anchor57289
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=833
what've you been smoking & drinking in anticipation of the 2005 gay
parade yo DUMBASS?
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26 Oct 2003 10:07:04 PM |
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Subject: Re: AP: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
operation
From: (BTov)
Date: 10/26/2003 10:09 PM Eastern Standard Time
Message-id: <bd24d00f.0310261909.5b07f3ed@posting.google.com>
"Howard Aubrey" <howard_aubrey@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:<aMumb.625$y5.36406@nnrp1.ptd.net>...
"Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he
witnessed Israeli troops
executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai
town of El Arish."
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-egypt1967.html#anchor57289
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=833
what've you been smoking & drinking in anticipation of the 2005 gay
parade yo DUMBASS?
;
It is interesting how you resort to name calling when you cannot come up with
anything that remotely looks like an answer. How many of your post have you
used insults. In the case of the USS LIberty we are talking about a nation that
launched a war by attacking Egypt. You are trying to make a case that Israel
getting read to attack Egypt would not look to see what ships were in the
attack route. Do you think that we are that stupid or that the Israel military
are that stupid?
Israel stalked the USS Liberty three days before they attacked the ship which
they claimed was an accident of war. Give us a break and provide something
useful and stop the idiot name calling.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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27 Oct 2003 12:11:57 AM |
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Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F9A03D9.88A6F4EA@comcast.net...
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
It was 13 miles, and why do you think a surveillance ship is
ever anywhere? Perhaps to do surveillance? (moron)
Is surveillance a fancy word for spying? Do you think this country
would
have permitted any spying on their war efforts close to the battle
zones?
Should we hold the Russians responsible for shooting down Gary Powers
when
he was photographing their sensitive areas?
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Can you name the nationalities of these 'spy' ships?
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
You honestly think the US doesn't have intelligence gathering
ships in the Persian Gulf? You *are* clueless.
Yes, but that is our area of operations. We wouldn't permit
another nation to poke their noses into our military operations.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It's 13 miles, and it's called 'International waters'.
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
In times of war, International waters means nothing. You can
easily lob
missles more than 13 miles, and you can monitor lots of traffic
from that
distance.
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Check the liberty site.
That site is so obviously biased, why would I want to look
there?
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
First of all, what does events at El Arish have to do with the
issue at hand?
Secondly, 'women and children' are not exactly Egyptian prisoners,
so get
your information straight. You still haven't documented the
'1500' number.
You are just grasping for straws to prove your points.
"
"Historian Gabby Bron wrote in the Yediot Ahronot in Israel that he
witnessed Israeli troops
executing Egyptian prisoners on the morning of June 8, 1967, in the Sinai
town of El Arish."
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-atrocities-egypt1967.html#anchor57289
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=833
Stop living in denial, it's NOT healthy.
Stop pursing all these conspiracy theories. What's not healthy is to
hammer away at
something that happened years ago, trying to manufacturer so called
'facts' to prove
your points. Why not just admit our government screwed up, and call
it a tragic mistake.
I'm trying to be objective about this, but you have not proved your
point to me. If you
want to dig out a lot of dirt about the conduct of the Israelli
military, you best take
a look at some of the things we did in war time.
cheers....
HJA
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25 Oct 2003 07:44:11 AM |
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Subject: Re: AP: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag'
From: Sherwin Dubren
Date: 10/25/2003 12:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3F9A03D9.88A6F4EA@comcast.net>
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" < > wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
If you do not want your radio signals listened then do not allow them to enter
the international wars. So What do you think that Israel was hiding? There
are stories of mass slaughter in the area by Israel forces. Do you think that
if that was the case that you would not want that information let out. I know
if you were one of the murderers that you would not.
The three mile limit is part of an international law that Israel had agree to
accept.
The Ship was there to listen to what was going on. The United States had by
1967 dropped a ton of money in Israel and I feel that they had the right to
know what was happening.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
Nay. Every government spies on the other. It was the cover up of the murder
of the 34 crew members that Johnson/Nixon did that was so wrong.
..
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
More stupid conspiracy theories.
Conspiracy theories....so why did Israel pull a Pearl Harbor style attack on
Egypt? At the end of the attack Israel had 300 percent more land area.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
Read the web page and then see if you approve of murder by the IDF.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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26 Oct 2003 08:45:24 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:57:31 GMT, Sherwin Dubren
<sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote:
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
I can buy an American flag at Walmart and that doesn't make a
vessel
I would fly it from, American. Let me remind you that in WWII,
the
Germans put on American uniforms and caused all kinds of havoc
behind
our lines. I don't think our navy ever notified the Israelli's of
the
ships presence and purpose, and you are yet to give any documented
evidence (not here say) to that effect.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
You mean like Israel has been spying on the U.S. for years? Want some
cites?
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
More stupid conspiracy theories.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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27 Oct 2003 12:16:35 AM |
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Sky King wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:57:31 GMT, Sherwin Dubren
<sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote:
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
I can buy an American flag at Walmart and that doesn't make a
vessel
I would fly it from, American. Let me remind you that in WWII,
the
Germans put on American uniforms and caused all kinds of havoc
behind
our lines. I don't think our navy ever notified the Israelli's of
the
ships presence and purpose, and you are yet to give any documented
evidence (not here say) to that effect.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
You mean like Israel has been spying on the U.S. for years? Want some
cites?
Britain spies on the USA. The USA spies on Britain. Does that mean
we
cannot be allies? A nation can have an ally and still look out for
it's
own national interests. That's life in the real world.
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
More stupid conspiracy theories.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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29 Oct 2003 01:34:32 AM |
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Sky King wrote:
Sherwin Dubren <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F9CB967.B1133D73@comcast.net>...
Sky King wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:57:31 GMT, Sherwin Dubren
<sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote:
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
I can buy an American flag at Walmart and that doesn't make a
vessel
I would fly it from, American. Let me remind you that in WWII,
the
Germans put on American uniforms and caused all kinds of havoc
behind
our lines. I don't think our navy ever notified the Israelli's of
the
ships presence and purpose, and you are yet to give any documented
evidence (not here say) to that effect.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
You mean like Israel has been spying on the U.S. for years? Want some
cites?
Britain spies on the USA. The USA spies on Britain. Does that mean
we
cannot be allies? A nation can have an ally and still look out for
it's
own national interests. That's life in the real world.
You just made my point. The U.S spies on Israel and they spy on us but does
that mean they should be allowed to attack our ships? Without the U.S. Israel
would be in deep trouble.
There are many levels of spying. Just keeping track of another
nation's military
capabilities is one level. However, easedropping on a nation while a
war is going
on is another more serious type that might require some positive
action. Although
America is Israel's ally, the type of sensitive information gathered
by a spy ship
in a war zone might fall into the wrong hands. Information like troop
movements,
etc., if turned over to your enemies, could turn the tides of battle,
or cost many
lives. Considering that Israel was fighting for her very existence, I
don't think
they had a choice to take chances that it was possibly an American
vessel or not,
or in any case that information might fall into the wrong hands.
Again, if you want
to place any blame, it's the people who sent our ship into a sensitive
war zone
and thereby endangered the lives of it's crew. That ship was not
there by accident.
Somebody ordered it there. Why was that information so important to
the USA to justify
risking the lives of those sailors?
Moorer's panel suggested several possible reasons Israel might have
wanted to attack a U.S. ship. Among them: Israel intended to sink the
ship and blame Egypt because it might have brought the United States
into the 1967 war.
More stupid conspiracy theories.
I agree on the stupidity of this theory. If Israel really
wanted to
do this, they would have used some old captured MIGS with
Eygptian
markings on them. All these stupid quotes and references
only
diminish your credibility.
On the Net:
USS Liberty Memorial Web site: http://www.ussliberty.org
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| Title: Re: AP: USS Liberty attack by Israel may have been a 'false flag' operation |
29 Oct 2003 09:39:06 AM |
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Sherwin Dubren <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F9F6EB1.9B3622AD@comcast.net>...
Sky King wrote:
Sherwin Dubren <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3F9CB967.B1133D73@comcast.net>...
Sky King wrote:
On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 04:57:31 GMT, Sherwin Dubren
<sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote:
Howard Aubrey wrote:
"Sherwin Dubren" <sherwindu@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:3F98B092.FB2D62BF@comcast.net...
Has anyone inquired as to why an American spy ship was in that
particular
area during war time?
you mean in International waters as is everyones right?
I'm sorry but spying on a nation in a sensitive area during a
war footing situation doesn't allow you to hide behind the 3
mile limit rule. Did you ever stop to consider why that spy
ship was there, in the first place. It wasn't there by accident.
I'm sure the U.S.A. would not allow a spy ship to
patrol the waters off of Iraq in the most recent war.
You may be the biggest idiot alive. There are many 'spy'
(intelligence gathering) ships there right now.
Oh yes, what nationality are they? You seem to be loaded with
information that nobody else knows about.
I fault our navy
for putting this ship in harms way and sticking our noses into a
sensitive
area, which was clearly a war zone (3 mile limit, or not).
It was 13 miles from shore, in International waters....
Anybody can
buy an American flag and fly it from their vessel. How was Israel to
know
it was really an American vessel?
Because they were told it was there....
Again, more undocumented information. Who told who what? I think
you
are making this all up.
Couldn't our navy have coordinated
their movements with the Isreali's, which might have prevented this
tragedy?
We wanted to, but the Israelis wanted to execute 1500 woman and children
in the village of El Arish. Which they did, brutally...
Again, more undocumented garbage. Nobody was executed in El Arish.
You are clueless about the subject...
Sherwin Dubren
tokugawa wrote:
Published on Thursday, October 23, 2003
by the Associated Press
Cover-Up Alleged in Probe of USS Liberty
by Jennifer C. Kerr
WASHINGTON - A former Navy attorney who helped lead the military
investigation of the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that
killed 34 American servicemen says former President Lyndon Johnson and
his defense secretary, Robert McNamara, ordered that the inquiry
conclude the incident was an accident.
In a signed affidavit released at a Capitol Hill news conference,
retired Capt. Ward Boston said Johnson and McNamara told those heading
the Navy's inquiry to "conclude that the attack was a case of
'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary."
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?"
Retired Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Thomas Moorer,
pauses during a news conference on Wednesday, Oct. 22, 2003 in
Washington. Moorer was part of an independent commission of inquiry
into the 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty that claims to have
found proof of a cover up by the government. (AP Photo/Evan Vucci)
Boston was senior legal counsel to the Navy's original 1967 review of
the attack. He said in the sworn statement that he stayed silent for
years because he's a military man, and "when orders come ... I follow
them."
He said he felt compelled to "share the truth" following the
publication of a recent book, "The Liberty Incident," which concluded
the attack was unintentional.
The USS Liberty was an electronic intelligence-gathering ship that was
cruising international waters off the Egyptian coast on June 8, 1967.
Israeli planes and torpedo boats opened fire on the Liberty in the
midst of what became known as the Israeli-Arab Six-Day War.
In addition to the 34 Americans killed, more than 170 were wounded.
Israel has long maintained that the attack was a case of mistaken
identity, an explanation that the Johnson administration did not
formally challenge. Israel claimed its forces thought the ship was an
Egyptian vessel and apologized to the United States.
After the attack, a Navy court of inquiry concluded there was
insufficient information to make a judgment about why Israel attacked
the ship, stopping short of assigning blame or determining whether it
was an accident.
It was "one of the classic all-American cover-ups," said Ret. Adm.
Thomas Moorer, a former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman who spent a
year investigating the attack as part of an independent panel he
formed with other former military officials. The panel also included a
former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia, James Akins.
"Why in the world would our government put Israel's interest ahead of
our own?" Moorer asked from his wheelchair at the news conference. He
was chief of naval operations at the time of the attack.
Moorer, who has long held that the attack was a deliberate act, wants
Congress to investigate.
Israeli Embassy spokesman Mark Regev disputed any notion that Israel
knowingly went after American sailors.
"I can say unequivocally that the Liberty tragedy was a terrible
accident, that the Israeli pilots involved believed they were
attacking an enemy ship," Regev said. "This was in the middle of a
war. This is something that we are not proud of."
Calls to the Navy seeking comment were not immediately returned.
David Lewis of Lemington, Vt., was on the Liberty when it was
attacked. In an interview, he said Israel had to know it was targeting
an American ship. He said a U.S. flag was flying that day and Israel
shot it full of holes. The sailors on the ship, he said, quickly
hoisted another American flag, a much bigger one, to show Israel it
was a U.S. vessel.
I can buy an American flag at Walmart and that doesn't make a
vessel
I would fly it from, American. Let me remind you that in WWII,
the
Germans put on American uniforms and caused all kinds of havoc
behind
our lines. I don't think our navy ever notified the Israelli's of
the
ships presence and purpose, and you are yet to give any documented
evidence (not here say) to that effect.
"No trained individual could be that inept," said Lewis of the Israeli
forces.
In Capt. Boston's statement, he does not say why Johnson would have
ordered a cover-up. Later in a phone interview from his home in
Coronado, Calif., Boston said Johnson may have worried the inquiry
would hurt him politically with Jewish voters.
You bet your life the U.S.A. was not about to tell the world it
was
spying on one of her allies.
You mean like Israel has been spying on the U.S. for years? Want some
cites?
Britain spies on the USA. The USA spies on Britain. Does that mean
we
cannot be allies? A nation can have an ally and still look out for
it's
own national interests. That's life in the real world.
You just made my point. The U.S spies on Israel and they spy on us but does
that mean they should be allowed to attack our ships? Without the U.S. Israel
would be in deep trouble.
There are many levels of spying. Just keeping track of another
nation's military
capabilities is one level. However, easedropping on a nation while a
war is going
on is another more serious type that might require some positive
action. Although
America is Israel's ally, the type of sensitive information gathered
by a spy ship
in a war zone might fall into the wrong hands. Information like troop
movements,
If Israel couldn't trust the U.S. with the info who can they trust?
WE have
been supporting Israel with our tax dollars ever since it became a
country.
That gives us the right to be where we like.
Oh..please. We caught an Israeli spy not to long ago.
Israel has been caught spying in Washington again, this time on the
White House and other sensitive telephone systems. But | | | | | | | |
