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User: "Joe Blowtowski"
Date: 24 Jul 2004 05:39:42 PM
Object: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion?
are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?
How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?
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User: "mobiledan"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 10:36:49 PM
"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?



That's sort of like surmising that celebate religious would have to die out
after a generation or two. In either case, what actually happens is that
more and more get the calling.
md


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User: "abracadabra"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 09:32:32 PM
"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

Nope. A certain % of women have abortions, and their political stripes have
nothing to do with it. A large number of abortions are for girls at or under
15 years old. As teens make terrible parents, we're probably cutting down on
Republicans.
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User: "George Patton"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 09:59:54 PM
Joe Blowtowski <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<uso5g0p4edc2rd5fl0evh1kb2bgfeu8anp@4ax.com>...

are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?

2 1/2 ?
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User: "Tom Aldrich"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 25 Jul 2004 02:39:27 AM
Joe Blowtowski wrote:

are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?

Tell you what, you go where they track abortions and how many of, and
surprise surpise, abortions go up during Republican adminertrations and
down during Democractic adminertrations.
At least when Democrats are in office, they pass feeding children
programs and what not while Republicans cut budgets on child assist
programs.
The anti-abortion stance by Republican is at best window dressing.
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User: "Superdude"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 05:59:19 PM
Joe Blowtowski wrote:

are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?




They are embryos and not babies so liberals like me don't worry about it.
P.S. Hold on a sec, let me get on my flame-retardant suit for the
upcoming griping onslaught.
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User: "Bryan"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 25 Jul 2004 05:59:06 PM
Superdude wrote:

Joe Blowtowski wrote:

are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?
How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each and
every year? hmm?



They are embryos and not babies so liberals like me don't worry about it.

Did that "embryo" constitute a new life, before it was aborted?


P.S. Hold on a sec, let me get on my flame-retardant suit for the
upcoming griping onslaught.

.


User: "David Roman"

Title: BUSH LEADING KERRY IN ELECTORAL VOTES 24 Jul 2004 06:00:09 PM
Jul 24, 6:36 PM EDT
AP: Bush Leads Kerry in Electoral Votes
By RON FOURNIER
AP Political Writer
BOSTON (AP) -- John Kerry narrowly trails President Bush in the battle for
the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House, as he makes his case
at the Democratic National Convention this week to topple the Republican
incumbent.
With three months remaining in a volatile campaign, Kerry has 14 states and
the District of Columbia in his column for 193 electoral votes. Bush has 25
states for 217 votes, according to an Associated Press analysis of state
polls as well as interviews with strategists across the country.
"It's a tough, tough map. I think it's going to be a close race," said
Democratic strategist Tad Devine, who helped plot Al Gore's state-by-state
strategy in 2000 and plays the same role for Kerry.
"But looking back four years, we're much stronger now. I think we're going
into this convention in great shape," he said.
Both candidates are short of the magic 270 electoral votes. The margin of
victory will come from:
-TOSSUPS - Bush and Kerry are running even in 11 states with a combined 128
electoral votes. Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico,
Wisconsin, Michigan and West Virginia are the toughest battlegrounds. Two
other tossups, Pennsylvania and Oregon, could soon move to Kerry's column.
-LEAN KERRY - Maine, Minnesota and Washington (a combined 25 electoral
votes) favor Kerry over Bush by a few percentage points. Gore carried them
in 2000.
-LEAN BUSH - North Carolina, Colorado, Louisiana, Arizona, Virginia,
Arkansas and Missouri (a combined 73 electoral votes) give Bush modest
leads. He won all seven in 2000.
Audio
Kerry says there's a lot at stake in this year's election.
All total, 21 states are in play. Some will bounce between "lean" to
"tossup" throughout the campaign.
----
Four years ago, Bush won 30 states and their 271 electoral votes - one more
than needed. Gore, who won the popular vote, claimed 20 states plus the
District of Columbia for 267 electoral votes.
Since then, reapportionment added electoral votes to states with population
gains and took them from states losing people. The result: Bush's states are
now worth 278 electoral votes and Gore's are worth just 260.
Even if Kerry consolidates Gore's states, no easy task, the Democrat must
take 10 electoral votes from Bush's column to close the electoral vote gap.
Kerry's best prospects may be in the five tossup states won by Bush in 2000:
Ohio, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire and West Virginia.
Winning either Ohio's 20 electoral votes or Florida's 27 would do the trick.
Bush easily won Ohio in 2000, but its lagging economy puts the state in
play. Kerry must still reduce Bush's advantages among conservative, rural
voters. Florida should favor Bush a bit more than in 2000, partly because of
its relatively strong economy, but the war in Iraq has helped keep the race
close.
Nevada and West Virginia have a combined 10 electoral votes, enough to close
the gap. New Hampshire, which neighbors Kerry's home state of Massachusetts,
has four.
West Virginia voted Democratic for decades until Bush made values an issue
in 2000; Kerry is stressing the theme this year. In Nevada, an influx of
Hispanics and the administration's push to use Yucca Mountain as a nuclear
waste site make the state tougher for Bush than in 2000.
Six of the 11 tossup states were won by Gore: Pennsylvania, Oregon,
Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico and Wisconsin. But the margin of victory was just
a few thousand votes in Iowa, New Mexico and Wisconsin - meaning Kerry has
his work cut out to keep them.
Of the three, Bush likes his chances best in Wisconsin, where he is
targeting rural voters in a bid to widen the electoral gap by 10 votes.
---
Flush with money and leading a united party, Kerry increased his odds by
expanding the playing field into a handful of GOP states that Bush easily
won in 2000, including Arkansas, Louisiana, Arizona, Virginia and Colorado.
Results have been mixed.
After testing the waters, Kerry pulled his ads from Arkansas and Louisiana,
and downgraded his focus on Virginia and Arizona. Hispanic voters make
Colorado a prime target, but Democrats acknowledge it's a tough state to
win.
"The race is still fundamentally tied, and the Electoral College map
reflects that," said Bush strategist Matthew Dowd. "But there is beginning
to be a slight tilt toward us with Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri and Arizona
no longer being seriously contested."
Kerry added another Republican-leaning state to his target list when he
chose Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina as his running mate. Aides are
divided over whether North Carolina will remain a battleground through
November, but its 15 electoral votes are too tempting to ignore.
Missouri, a traditional battleground, recently moved to the Bush-leaning
category and is being written off by some Democrats. The Kerry campaign
reduced its ad campaign in the state after polls showed him consistently 4
to 6 percentage points behind Bush, with little room for improvement.
Republican advantages in rural Missouri and the fast-growing exurbs make the
state tough for Democrats, but Kerry will likely keep it on the table
through November in case the political winds shift. Besides, abandoning a
traditional battleground would be embarrassing.
The four-term Massachusetts senator has begun to gather strength in
traditionally Democratic states such as Maine, Minnesota and Washington. All
were tossups in the spring, but now lean toward Kerry. A good convention
could push Pennsylvania and Oregon into the lean-Kerry category.
Recent polls give Kerry an edge in both states, but strategists for Kerry
and Bush say the races are still tossup.
"There is an angry feeling toward the incumbent because of Iraq," said David
Sweet, who managed Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell's 2000 campaign. "I think
Kerry will win in the end, but that's partly based on an assumption of
things to come. It's close."
Of the states won by Gore, Pennsylvania is by far Bush's top target. The
president has spent millions of dollars in the state on commercials and has
visited it more than any other contested state - 30 trips since his
inauguration.
For Kerry, losing Pennsylvania would create a virtually insurmountable
electoral vote gap.
.
User: "abracadabra"

Title: Re: BUSH LEADING KERRY IN ELECTORAL VOTES 24 Jul 2004 09:33:31 PM
"David Roman" <droman01@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZRBMc.1954$kU5.177370@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Jul 24, 6:36 PM EDT

AP: Bush Leads Kerry in Electoral Votes

Good - so Kerry is the "underdog".
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User: "Clinton Whitehouse Plumber Berger"

Title: Re: BUSH LEADING KERRY IN ELECTORAL VOTES 24 Jul 2004 06:24:05 PM
I think this is just part of Kerry's post-Edwards "bump". He may be able to
regain the lead again, once people begin to forget he has chosen Edwards as
his running mate.
"David Roman" <droman01@tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ZRBMc.1954$kU5.177370@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Jul 24, 6:36 PM EDT

AP: Bush Leads Kerry in Electoral Votes
By RON FOURNIER
AP Political Writer




BOSTON (AP) -- John Kerry narrowly trails President Bush in the battle for
the 270 electoral votes needed to win the White House, as he makes his

case

at the Democratic National Convention this week to topple the Republican
incumbent.
With three months remaining in a volatile campaign, Kerry has 14 states

and

the District of Columbia in his column for 193 electoral votes. Bush has

25

states for 217 votes, according to an Associated Press analysis of state
polls as well as interviews with strategists across the country.
"It's a tough, tough map. I think it's going to be a close race," said
Democratic strategist Tad Devine, who helped plot Al Gore's state-by-state
strategy in 2000 and plays the same role for Kerry.
"But looking back four years, we're much stronger now. I think we're going
into this convention in great shape," he said.

Both candidates are short of the magic 270 electoral votes. The margin of
victory will come from:
-TOSSUPS - Bush and Kerry are running even in 11 states with a combined

128

electoral votes. Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico,
Wisconsin, Michigan and West Virginia are the toughest battlegrounds. Two
other tossups, Pennsylvania and Oregon, could soon move to Kerry's column.
-LEAN KERRY - Maine, Minnesota and Washington (a combined 25 electoral
votes) favor Kerry over Bush by a few percentage points. Gore carried them
in 2000.
-LEAN BUSH - North Carolina, Colorado, Louisiana, Arizona, Virginia,
Arkansas and Missouri (a combined 73 electoral votes) give Bush modest
leads. He won all seven in 2000.
Audio
Kerry says there's a lot at stake in this year's election.
All total, 21 states are in play. Some will bounce between "lean" to
"tossup" throughout the campaign.
----
Four years ago, Bush won 30 states and their 271 electoral votes - one

more

than needed. Gore, who won the popular vote, claimed 20 states plus the
District of Columbia for 267 electoral votes.
Since then, reapportionment added electoral votes to states with

population

gains and took them from states losing people. The result: Bush's states

are

now worth 278 electoral votes and Gore's are worth just 260.
Even if Kerry consolidates Gore's states, no easy task, the Democrat must
take 10 electoral votes from Bush's column to close the electoral vote

gap.

Kerry's best prospects may be in the five tossup states won by Bush in

2000:

Ohio, Florida, Nevada, New Hampshire and West Virginia.
Winning either Ohio's 20 electoral votes or Florida's 27 would do the

trick.

Bush easily won Ohio in 2000, but its lagging economy puts the state in
play. Kerry must still reduce Bush's advantages among conservative, rural
voters. Florida should favor Bush a bit more than in 2000, partly because

of

its relatively strong economy, but the war in Iraq has helped keep the

race

close.
Nevada and West Virginia have a combined 10 electoral votes, enough to

close

the gap. New Hampshire, which neighbors Kerry's home state of

Massachusetts,

has four.
West Virginia voted Democratic for decades until Bush made values an issue
in 2000; Kerry is stressing the theme this year. In Nevada, an influx of
Hispanics and the administration's push to use Yucca Mountain as a nuclear
waste site make the state tougher for Bush than in 2000.
Six of the 11 tossup states were won by Gore: Pennsylvania, Oregon,
Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico and Wisconsin. But the margin of victory was

just

a few thousand votes in Iowa, New Mexico and Wisconsin - meaning Kerry has
his work cut out to keep them.
Of the three, Bush likes his chances best in Wisconsin, where he is
targeting rural voters in a bid to widen the electoral gap by 10 votes.
---
Flush with money and leading a united party, Kerry increased his odds by
expanding the playing field into a handful of GOP states that Bush easily
won in 2000, including Arkansas, Louisiana, Arizona, Virginia and

Colorado.

Results have been mixed.
After testing the waters, Kerry pulled his ads from Arkansas and

Louisiana,

and downgraded his focus on Virginia and Arizona. Hispanic voters make
Colorado a prime target, but Democrats acknowledge it's a tough state to
win.
"The race is still fundamentally tied, and the Electoral College map
reflects that," said Bush strategist Matthew Dowd. "But there is beginning
to be a slight tilt toward us with Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri and

Arizona

no longer being seriously contested."
Kerry added another Republican-leaning state to his target list when he
chose Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina as his running mate. Aides are
divided over whether North Carolina will remain a battleground through
November, but its 15 electoral votes are too tempting to ignore.
Missouri, a traditional battleground, recently moved to the Bush-leaning
category and is being written off by some Democrats. The Kerry campaign
reduced its ad campaign in the state after polls showed him consistently 4
to 6 percentage points behind Bush, with little room for improvement.
Republican advantages in rural Missouri and the fast-growing exurbs make

the

state tough for Democrats, but Kerry will likely keep it on the table
through November in case the political winds shift. Besides, abandoning a
traditional battleground would be embarrassing.
The four-term Massachusetts senator has begun to gather strength in
traditionally Democratic states such as Maine, Minnesota and Washington.

All

were tossups in the spring, but now lean toward Kerry. A good convention
could push Pennsylvania and Oregon into the lean-Kerry category.
Recent polls give Kerry an edge in both states, but strategists for Kerry
and Bush say the races are still tossup.
"There is an angry feeling toward the incumbent because of Iraq," said

David

Sweet, who managed Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell's 2000 campaign. "I think
Kerry will win in the end, but that's partly based on an assumption of
things to come. It's close."
Of the states won by Gore, Pennsylvania is by far Bush's top target. The
president has spent millions of dollars in the state on commercials and

has

visited it more than any other contested state - 30 trips since his
inauguration.
For Kerry, losing Pennsylvania would create a virtually insurmountable
electoral vote gap.


.

User: " S. Robinson"

Title: Re: BUSH LEADING KERRY IN ELECTORAL VOTES 25 Jul 2004 03:08:30 AM
Let's see;
Bush starts with 217 EV and Kerry with 193 EV then
leans Bush 73 EV and leans Kerry 25 EV and toss up 128 EV
That comes to 616 EV
Senate contributes 100 EV and the House contributes 435 EV (one EV for each
representative and senator.)
So there are 535 EV up for grabs in a normal election but 616 EV according
to this article; HUM another trip to the supreme court I see.
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User: "Alan McIntire"

Title: Re: BUSH LEADING KERRY IN ELECTORAL VOTES 25 Jul 2004 12:21:37 PM
" S. Robinson" <Traumarn2001@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<7e6dnY88MMD-957cRVn-gQ@comcast.com>...

Let's see;

(cut)
So there are 535 EV up for grabs in a normal election (cut)

Wrong, there are 538. You forgot the District of Columbia.
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User: "Mike"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 08:08:29 PM
Now, I see why there are still so many consevative extremist than normal
conservatives and liberals.
They reproduce like roaches and rats.
"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?




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User: "Clinton Whitehouse Plumber Berger"

Title: Re: are the Liberals killing thier chances with Abortion? 24 Jul 2004 08:34:20 PM
"Mike" <mikechang1976@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:BKDMc.165$%c1.2883@news.itd.umich.edu...

Now, I see why there are still so many consevative extremist than normal
conservatives and liberals.
They reproduce like roaches and rats.

<plonk>

"Joe Blowtowski" <Joe_Blow@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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are the Liberals killing their chances with Abortion?

How many babies, how many potential Liberals do they kill each
and every year? hmm?






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