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| User: |
"American Patriot" |
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14 May 2007 07:28:16 PM |
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Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
14 May 2007 09:18:53 PM |
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"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear and
terror.
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| User: "Graphic Queen" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 09:35:18 AM |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:18:53 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear and
terror.
That was funny. Got an more humor? Only an idiot would ask such an
idiotic question.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
17 May 2007 09:15:20 PM |
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"Graphic Queen" <pagan@pagan.com> wrote in message
news:qrgj43d8la3uht52q29jinjhcl7rvdkru9@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:18:53 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to
meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear
and
terror.
That was funny. Got an more humor? Only an idiot would ask such an
idiotic question.
And prove you are not an idiot by saying something relevant to the debate.
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| User: "Steely from Yokohama" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
14 May 2007 10:17:05 PM |
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On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:18:53 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear and
terror.
They are perfectly capable of "meaningfully enforcing the immigration
laws", ike mulligan sockpuppet guy, they just don't want to. "They"
being the business organisations and the politicians they pay for.
Running their fake IDs online is trivial, it takes 15 seconds,
military contractors do it all the time because they are required to.
Any business could if they wished to. "They" want to keep millions of
these cheap third-world laborers piling in here every year. They wish
to eliminate the decent money you would like to earn, directly by
taking the job you would otherwise be doing, and indirectly by
replacing the well-paid Americans who would be buying stuff from you
with minimum-wage Mexicans who cannot afford to. They want to do that
so they can keep the money for themselves; not for you and not for
Mexicans, but for their own rich selves.
You see, it isn't about Mexicans or being nice to Mexicans. The
business people we are talking about are the most un-nice people in
this country. If they could make a nickel at it and not go to jail,
they'd grind up these Mexicans and sell them in cans as catfood.
What's your problem, you dying to be poor and hopeless? Do you think
your heart, happy because you've "given" to these Mexicans, is going
to warm your body and feed you and get you stuff you want?
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
17 May 2007 09:15:19 PM |
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"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
news:7h9i435st0e1snug8fcpt6eb5077eigkdf@4ax.com...
On Tue, 15 May 2007 02:18:53 GMT, "ike milligan"
<accordiondoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to
meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear
and
terror.
They are perfectly capable of "meaningfully enforcing the immigration
laws", ike mulligan sockpuppet guy,
I am no kind of sockpuppet whatsoever, as you might verify by replying to my
email address.
they just don't want to. "They"
being the business organisations and the politicians they pay for.
Running their fake IDs online is trivial, it takes 15 seconds,
military contractors do it all the time because they are required to.
Any business could if they wished to. "They" want to keep millions of
these cheap third-world laborers piling in here every year. They wish
However the Dept of Immigration has not the resources to even deal with the
potentially legal foreign residents in a timely manner, so my point is, that
the system is so dysfunctional as to lack credibility as a legal entity.
Lets' say that there were one million public drunks, and one sherriff and
that sherrif could only enforce the law by beating up one drunk at a time.
Who is the least legal, the sheriff or the drunk? I get your point about the
commercial demand, but the demand for cheap labor is not a function of the
supply, since the demand is virtually limitless, unlike a normal economic
situation where you are talking about a commodity like eggs. If the price of
eggs went too high, people would eat some other food. If the price went too
low, then the supply of eggs would decrease due to decreased production and
the price would stabilize. The reason the labor is available is that the
jobs of Mexico were exported to China. The type pf jobs that U.S. citizens
want to do, were also exported. What is left is the type of unskilled labor
that the immigrants can do here.
to eliminate the decent money you would like to earn, directly by
taking the job you would otherwise be doing, and indirectly by
replacing the well-paid Americans who would be buying stuff from you
with minimum-wage Mexicans who cannot afford to. They want to do that
so they can keep the money for themselves; not for you and not for
Mexicans, but for their own rich selves.
I would not be in such a hurry to scapegoat the rich. that does nothing to
solve the problem, and the rich are simply obeying to economic laws, based
on trade policies created by those who decided to try for a one-world
government and economic system. Most of the opportunists taking advantage of
that situation are not the architects of that system, but simply shrewd
business people.
You see, it isn't about Mexicans or being nice to Mexicans. The
business people we are talking about are the most un-nice people in
this country. If they could make a nickel at it and not go to jail,
they'd grind up these Mexicans and sell them in cans as catfood.
And what would you do?
What's your problem, you dying to be poor and hopeless? Do you think
your heart, happy because you've "given" to these Mexicans, is going
to warm your body and feed you and get you stuff you want?
I haven't given anything to illegal Mexicans including jobs, personally.
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| User: "strabo" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 09:12:17 PM |
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ike milligan wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
<snipped>
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to meaningfully
enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to create fear and
terror.
This is the United States of America, not some European monarchy
or African dictatorship. We are in charge here according to our
Constitution and laws.
Because we the people are the ultimate arbiters of law and order,
we the people choose representatives in our stead. But when they
fail to observe their oaths of office and rebel against the
Constitution, we are empowered to reinvigorate government or enforce
the laws ourselves. This, we have a perfect Right to do. We can lawfully
do this through vigilante courts and the Common Law or through
citizen's arrest and the current courts.
Either way, the border restrictions will prevail and invaders and
freebooters will be ejected.
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| User: "ike milligan" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
17 May 2007 09:15:21 PM |
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"strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
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ike milligan wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
<snipped>
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
Also, how can anyone be considered an illegal alien, if the immigration
department and system are so dysfunctional as to not be able to
meaningfully enforce the immigration laws? Except of course by trying to
create fear and terror.
This is the United States of America, not some European monarchy
or African dictatorship. We are in charge here according to our
Constitution and laws.
Because we the people are the ultimate arbiters of law and order,
we the people choose representatives in our stead. But when they
fail to observe their oaths of office and rebel against the
Constitution, we are empowered to reinvigorate government or enforce
the laws ourselves. This, we have a perfect Right to do. We can lawfully
do this through vigilante courts and the Common Law or through
citizen's arrest and the current courts.
Either way, the border restrictions will prevail and invaders and
freebooters will be ejected.
Exactly. You can try to do it all without the help of the Government. All
you will end up doing is terrorizing a few people and maybe getting yourself
into a situation you might regret, in the bargain. However, the Government
is not too interested in solving the problem; that's because the Government
can't really do very much at this stage. The process of losing economic and
political independence started decades ago. And most people who complain
about the problem (if it is a problem) don't want to solve it. They just
like having the Hispanics to kick around, to avoid facing the real problems
caused by bad government in general.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 07:50:35 AM |
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"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
Irrelevant. They broke laws therefore they are criminals.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
Irrelevant.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
Irrelevant.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
Irrelevant. No, we are not "intertwined" by land. We have a border,
everything north of which is ours and south of which us theirs. Crossing
the border illegally makes you an illegal and a criminal - no exceptions.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
Irrelevant.
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake.
We already do that for all LEGAL immigrants.
For illegal immigrants its best to shoot them down in the street.
Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
We're trying to stop it. Its gonna take time. After all we have to deport
or shoot about twelve million of you fuckers.
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| User: "American Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 09:43:22 AM |
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On May 15, 5:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"American Patriot" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
Irrelevant. They broke laws therefore they are criminals.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
Irrelevant.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
Irrelevant.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
Irrelevant. No, we are not "intertwined" by land. We have a border,
everything north of which is ours and south of which us theirs. Crossing
the border illegally makes you an illegal and a criminal - no exceptions.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
Irrelevant.
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake.
We already do that for all LEGAL immigrants.
For illegal immigrants its best to shoot them down in the street.
Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
We're trying to stop it. Its gonna take time.
After all we have to deport
or shoot <
So the Vigilante "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com>
wants to "Shoot" Hispanics. Have you or your ilk done that yet?
about twelve million of you fuckers.
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| User: "strabo" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 08:55:10 PM |
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American Patriot wrote:
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
No they haven't. There's no Mexican more than a hundred years old.
How did he cross the border a thousand years ago?
If you're referring to Mayans or Aztecs, they only traded with peoples
north of what is now Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
Tough *****. They can reunite in Mexico.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
Tough *****. They can reunite in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
No they aren't.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
Approximately .05% of American English is borrowed from Mexican.
Other Spanish words are derived from the Spanish.
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
We the People did not start this. We the People will stop it.
The Mexicans cannot be trusted. The constant rant of threats and
the drums beating hatred of Americans and invasion is deafening.
The American people have been insulted and hoodwinked. We stand to
lose personally and as a nation. The well-being of our children
and their children is endangered.
Due to the conspiracy between the US federal government and Mexico and
the resulting invasion of (primarily) Mexicans and the complicity of
the Mexican people, all are categorically suspect. They have declared
war on all Americans.
American Patriot
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| User: "bob" |
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16 May 2007 11:25:30 AM |
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"strabo" <strabo@flashlight.net> wrote in message
snip here and there:)
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
We the People did not start this. We the People will stop it.
Actually the USA government encourages illegal immigration. It's your
present group of congress critters who are doing this to you.
The Mexicans cannot be trusted. The constant rant of threats and
the drums beating hatred of Americans and invasion is deafening.
I've found that most Mexicans are very trust worthy and do a great job for
about half the price of Americans. For example, here in San Diego, the
American grocery store workers are about to go on strike for more money.
They presently get about $17/hr and full medical. This is for a job that use
to be for a high school kid. Of course, some Mexicans suck, just as in every
race.
Also Mexican woman are really hot. You don't know what you're missing if all
you date are 'white gals'. I now look on them (white gals) as cookie cutter
boring.
The American people have been insulted and hoodwinked. We stand to
lose personally and as a nation. The well-being of our children
and their children is endangered.
Very true. Thank the USA congress.
Due to the conspiracy between the US federal government and Mexico and
the resulting invasion of (primarily) Mexicans and the complicity of
the Mexican people, all are categorically suspect. They have declared
war on all Americans.
No. American politicians look at them as a new source of voters, for their
party. The most biased group against Mexicans are Mexicans who are here
legally.
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17 May 2007 02:48:19 PM |
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On May 15, 6:55 pm, strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
We the People did not start this. We the People will stop it.
Yes, we the people will fix it. You racist morons will do nothing but
post your hate to Usenet with cute fake names:
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P69MPO2&show_article=1
Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
May 17 02:12 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement
with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would
grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in
the U.S. and fortify the border.
The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals
to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New
high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that
workers are here legally.
The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door
negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most
conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet
officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy
political consequences.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the
agreement.
"Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just
reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure
our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into
the sunshine of America," Kennedy said.
Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.,
said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."
The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle
next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities. The
president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer's
end.
The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-
called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize
immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in
deciding how to award green cards.
The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal
status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne
Feinstein, D-Calif.
The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which
isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.
The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward
and obtain a "Z visa" and-after paying fees and a $5,000 fine-
ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to
their home countries first.
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that
would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin
the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security
improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were
completed.
A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until
those so-called "triggers" had been activated.
Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two
years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever
become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice,
but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.
Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to
stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.
In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would
shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties
toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and
sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions,
which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the
economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair
system that rips families apart.
Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a
green card-except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.
New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born
parents into the country.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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17 May 2007 03:14:56 PM |
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timmmmmmmmie crawley, lying anti-American ordinaire, lied:
On May 15, 6:55 pm, strabo <str...@flashlight.net> wrote:
We the People did not start this. We the People will stop it.
Yes, we the people will fix it.
Not you, timmmmmmmie - you're on the side of those opposed to fixing
it. You like the destruction of the American fabric that is occurring
thanks to illegal immigration.
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17 May 2007 08:59:08 PM |
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Calling illegal mexicans "undocumented" is like calling drug dealers
"unlicensed pharmacists",you moron...
"American Patriot" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179188896.228419.133160@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
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14 May 2007 08:34:57 PM |
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Mexicans have been here as Indigenous people before Europeans.
The word Mexican comes from the word "Mexica"
which was the proper name of the Aztecs.
This is our land.
Europeans are illegals.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 07:50:36 AM |
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<chicanohistory@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179192897.037045.272690@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
Mexicans have been here as Indigenous people before Europeans.
Irrelevant.
The word Mexican comes from the word "Mexica"
which was the proper name of the Aztecs.
Irrelevant.
This is our land.
It was your land. We stomped you stinking Beaner ***** and took it.
Now its ours.
Wanna try to take it back? Feel free to start any time......
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| User: "strabo" |
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15 May 2007 08:59:21 PM |
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wrote:
Mexicans have been here as Indigenous people before Europeans.
The word Mexican comes from the word "Mexica"
which was the proper name of the Aztecs.
This is our land.
Europeans are illegals.
1. You are not Aztec.
2. Aztecs didn't live on or own US land.
3. Tribes that were here, remain. They have treaties with the
US government.
4. Other land was purchased from the French and Spanish.
5. Other land was taken as the spoils of war.
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| User: "Baldin Lee Pramer" |
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15 May 2007 10:24:03 AM |
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On May 14, 7:34 pm, wrote:
Mexicans have been here as Indigenous people before Europeans.
The word Mexican comes from the word "Mexica"
which was the proper name of the Aztecs.
This is our land.
Europeans are illegals.
You are of European ancestry. You need to leave.
\\BL33P
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| User: "John Q. Public II" |
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15 May 2007 07:24:27 AM |
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On May 14, 9:34 pm, wrote:
Mexicans have been here as Indigenous people before Europeans.
The word Mexican comes from the word "Mexica"
which was the proper name of the Aztecs.
This is our land.
Europeans are illegals.
Too bad. Lands all over the world have been taken from the people who
originally occupied them. Get over it. It's happened for tens of
thousands of years.
The USA is what it is. It has laws just as Mexico has laws. Obey our
laws or be an illegal and suffer the consequences of your actions.
Mexican laws are much more severe in terms of immigration. Check them
out.
Your logic suggests that anyone who is not of Aztec decent should
leave Mexico as well. That's about 4/5ths of the Mexican population.
Would you like them to return to Spain?
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| User: "Cho Cmelak - Pearson, WI" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
16 May 2007 06:34:30 PM |
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On May 15, 8:24?am, "John Q. Public II" <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Too bad. Lands all over the world have been taken from the people who
originally occupied them. Get over it. It's happened for tens of
thousands of years.
By your logic, Genius, that's what is happening today. Only problem
is that you rednecks are now in decline while the immigrants are
taking over from those that cannot get along.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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17 May 2007 07:10:06 AM |
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"Cho Cmelak - Pearson, WI" <cho_cmelak@hushmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179358470.630769.9580@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On May 15, 8:24?am, "John Q. Public II" <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Too bad. Lands all over the world have been taken from the people who
originally occupied them. Get over it. It's happened for tens of
thousands of years.
By your logic, Genius, that's what is happening today. Only problem
is that you rednecks are now in decline while the immigrants are
taking over from those that cannot get along.
Have you always been a fool?
America is 15% niggers, 5% Beaners (and others) and 80% WHITE.....
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| User: "Tim Crowley" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
17 May 2007 03:17:59 PM |
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On May 17, 5:10 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
America is 15% niggers, 5% Beaners (and others) and 80% WHITE.....
And less than 1% are racist morons like you.
Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
and not one of your racist, moron friends had a seat at the table.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P69MPO2&show_article=1
Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
May 17 02:12 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement
with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would
grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in
the U.S. and fortify the border.
The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals
to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New
high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that
workers are here legally.
The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door
negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most
conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet
officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy
political consequences.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the
agreement.
"Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just
reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure
our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into
the sunshine of America," Kennedy said.
Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.,
said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."
The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle
next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities. The
president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer's
end.
The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-
called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize
immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in
deciding how to award green cards.
The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal
status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne
Feinstein, D-Calif.
The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which
isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.
The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward
and obtain a "Z visa" and-after paying fees and a $5,000 fine-
ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to
their home countries first.
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that
would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin
the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security
improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were
completed.
A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until
those so-called "triggers" had been activated.
Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two
years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever
become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice,
but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.
Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to
stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.
In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would
shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties
toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and
sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions,
which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the
economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair
system that rips families apart.
Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a
green card-except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.
New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born
parents into the country.
May 17 02:12 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement
with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would
grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in
the U.S. and fortify the border.
The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals
to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New
high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that
workers are here legally.
The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door
negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most
conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet
officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy
political consequences.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the
agreement.
"Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just
reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure
our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into
the sunshine of America," Kennedy said.
Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.,
said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."
The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle
next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities. The
president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer's
end.
The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-
called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize
immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in
deciding how to award green cards.
The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal
status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne
Feinstein, D-Calif.
The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which
isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.
The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward
and obtain a "Z visa" and-after paying fees and a $5,000 fine-
ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to
their home countries first.
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that
would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin
the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security
improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were
completed.
A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until
those so-called "triggers" had been activated.
Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two
years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever
become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice,
but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.
Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to
stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.
In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would
shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties
toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and
sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions,
which they say are needed to end "chain migration" that harms the
economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it's an unfair
system that rips families apart.
Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a
green card-except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.
New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born
parents into the country.
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17 May 2007 03:58:51 PM |
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"Tim Crowley" <timmyturmoil@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179433079.225847.290790@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 17, 5:10 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
America is 15% niggers, 5% Beaners (and others) and 80% WHITE.....
And less than 1% are racist morons like you.
Timmy is back!
Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
and not one of your racist, moron friends had a seat at the table.
The the House. Still has to get through the Senate.....
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17 May 2007 11:41:01 AM |
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On May 16, 7:34 pm, "Cho Cmelak - Pearson, WI"
<cho_cme...@hushmail.com> wrote:
On May 15, 8:24?am, "John Q. Public II" <johndo...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
Too bad. Lands all over the world have been taken from the people who
originally occupied them. Get over it. It's happened for tens of
thousands of years.
By your logic, Genius, that's what is happening today. Only problem
is that you rednecks are now in decline while the immigrants are
taking over from those that cannot get along.
The Mex aren't taking over anything. They make great desk clerks and
handy men. That's about it.
Their attitudes and actions have made them deserve the hate of
Americans. Too bad, greaser.
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18 May 2007 01:25:00 AM |
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The malicious TROLL and FORGER who CROSSposted his bile in the message
associated with the headers quoted immediately below is identified
further below by a list of additional headers representing the
TROLLing and FORGING he transmitted on May 16, 2007. Additional
identifying data about him and his facilitating affiliations is also
included.
Cho Cmelak - Pearson, WI said the following On 5/16/2007 6:34 PM:
From: Cho Cmelak - Pearson, WI <cho_cmelak@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.politics.immigration,alt.politics,alt.politics.usa,alt.politics.republican,alt.politics.democrat
Subject: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as
Bigots say?=NO
Date: 16 May 2007 16:34:30 -0700
Message-ID: <1179358470.630769.9580@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.117.14
Pasted below are numerous sets of headers associated with malicious
messages transmitted by chickenshit TROLL asspiratejohn gilmer - "el
presidente of the Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club
(www.ABVMC.com)" and head promoter of www.RidingIntoHistory.org -
posted on May 16, 2007.
It is a partial listing of just one day's worth of TROLLing, FORGING,
and malicious harassment transmitted by asspiratejohn gilmer to
maintain his status as a "respected computer professional" (as he
calls himself in usenet "Message-ID:
<1178883998.327947.202990@u30g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>") for Moffitt
Corporation, 1351 13th Avenue South, Suite 130, Jacksonville Beach, FL
32250, (http://www.moffitthvac.com) where much of his abuse originates,
or,
that originates from the house at 12526 Agatite Road, Jacksonville,
Florida 32258 where he lives with Deborah Lynch (aka,
of http://www.deblynchrealtor.com) who is not
worried about her privacy as stated in usenet "Message-ID:
<1106845004.866096.13990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>" and instructed
him to "...give the jackasses both barrels..."
Following the verifiable message header examples below is a partial
list of personal and TROLL identities asspiratejohn gilmer has used to
harass dozens of people victimized by his abuse, and, various
additional affiliations and personal data clearly identifying the
malicious sweetheart scamming TROLL sociopath.
From: Smelly Billy <Hoodoo@hush.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: Blair and JLP
Date: 16 May 2007 18:44:23 -0700
Message-ID: <1179366263.482274.210710@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: Smelly Billy <Hoodoo@hush.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.fan.capt-beefheart,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.guitar,alt.music.strange,rec.music.experimental
Subject: Re: WHAT KIND OF MOTHER WAS BEEFHEART
Date: 16 May 2007 18:43:37 -0700
Message-ID: <1179366217.232548.201220@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: Smelly Billy <Hoodoo@hush.com>
Newsgroups: alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Re: If Kurt McGettrick and FZ be discussin' the '88 tour
in Hebben
Date: 16 May 2007 18:42:17 -0700
Message-ID: <1179366137.347583.327540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: Cho Cmelak <cho_cmelak@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups:
rec.autos.sport.nascar,rec.motorcycles,rec.autos.driving,misc.transport.trucking,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Must-See: U.S. cops bloody peaceful US citizen as
illegals cheer, trash his car
Date: 16 May 2007 16:20:12 -0700
Message-ID: <1179357612.864548.294290@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 205.188.116.76
From: Karen Anderson <Skanky_Karen_Anderson@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups:
rec.music.artists.springsteen,alt.music.trance,alt.rock-n-roll.metal.gnr,alt.fan.frank-zappa,aus.radio.broadcast
Subject: Here's another spammer for you - Handyman and shithouse
cleaner Fat Billy Cmelak of Pearson, WI, was Re:
STEREO-AUDIO-VISUAL-TV REPAIR-troubleshooting to component
level-test-replace-walk in or mail order-REASONABLE RATES
Date: 16 May 2007 11:05:28 -0700
Message-ID: <1179338728.263988.283590@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: Karen Anderson <Skanky_Karen_Anderson@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.fan.capt-beefheart,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.guitar,alt.music.strange,rec.music.experimental
Subject: You ZappaQueer buddy Cmelak is spamming other groups, so
you idiots might as well enjoy some fresh spamcakes yourself, was Re:
WHAT KIND OF MOTHER WAS BEEFHEART
Date: 16 May 2007 11:03:47 -0700
Message-ID: <1179338626.395738.245820@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: Karen Anderson <Skanky_Karen_Anderson@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.fan.capt-beefheart,alt.fan.frank-zappa,alt.guitar,alt.music.strange,rec.music.experimental
Subject: Re: WHAT KIND OF MOTHER WAS BEEFHEART
Date: 16 May 2007 11:02:38 -0700
Message-ID: <1179338558.808479.194950@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 152.163.100.65
From: PirateJohn <john@piratejohn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hi-Viz suit and my pyschological phobia
Date: 16 May 2007 08:43:15 -0700
Message-ID: <1179330194.770917.58870@q23g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245
From: PirateJohn <john@piratejohn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Hi-Viz suit and my pyschological phobia
Date: 16 May 2007 08:15:26 -0700
Message-ID: <1179328526.065117.100800@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.177.232.245
From: PirateJohn <john@piratejohn.com>
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles,rec.motorcycles.harley
Subject: Re: dumbass Cmelak provides no factual data to back up his
malicious claims because he made it all up! Asswipe Bill Cmelak the
handyman = L O S E R!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Date: 16 May 2007 08:06:49 -0700
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From: "Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com" <Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.politics.immigration
Subject: Re: Troll list
Date: 16 May 2007 04:26:23 -0700
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From: Snitch Schenley <Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: fl.general,wi.general,alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Psycho Fat Billy Cmelak of Pearson, WI needs to stop
spamming newsgroups with his whiny *****
Date: 16 May 2007 04:18:06 -0700
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From: Snitch Schenley <Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: miami.general,alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Grow up Cmelak. Go back to pumping septic tanks in
Wisconsin and leave everyone else alone
Date: 16 May 2007 04:16:02 -0700
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From: Snitch Schenley <Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Grow up Cmelak, and stop spamming with your lies and
*****
Date: 16 May 2007 04:14:32 -0700
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From: Snitch Schenley <Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.obituaries,alt.fan.frank-zappa
Subject: Cmelak, no one really gives a damn about your whining and
acting like a crybaby, was Re: HEALTH/DEATHWATCH: Tammy Faye Bakker
Date: 16 May 2007 04:12:30 -0700
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Hopefully, someone at Moffitt Corporation, 1351 13th Avenue South,
Suite 130, Jacksonville Beach, FL 32250, http://www.moffitthvac.com,
was doing something constructive while concurrently, their employee
Pirate John Wesley Gilmer III (aka, PirateJohn@aol.com,
john@piratejohn.com, john@buccaneerpress.com,
piratejohn@buccaneerpress.com, BuccaneerPress@aol.com,
Updates@BuccaneerPublishing.com, matanzastrading@aol.com,
piratejohn2@yahoo.com, jgilmer@moffitthvac.com, warp12sys@aol.com,
piratejohnjax@aol.com, BuccaneerJuan@aol.com, PirateJWG@aol.com,
WarpTwelve@aol.com, JWGilmer@aol.com, TrollWatch@hush.com,
BillyRighteous@aol.com, GodIsSpanish@aol.com, Mr.Good@aol.com,
FreddyGoode@aol.com or any of the following in this partial list of
additional known aliases: Snitch_Schenley@hushmail.com,
short_bus_billy@hushmail.com, Hoodoo@hush.com,
david_zeeeee@yahoo.com, cho_cmelak@hushmail.com,
JHD_the_pissant@insignificant.org, rednecks_are_stoopid@yahoo.com,
scipios_pal@yahoo.com, Karen_Anderson_smells_like_fish@yahoo.com,
rattler_stomper@yahoo.com, Ginger_Germany@yahoo.com,
Alcibiades@hush.com, retarded_little_billy_cmelak@yahoo.com,
F_Zappa@deadmusicians.com, village_idiot_cmelak@yahoo.com,
Fat_Bill_Cmelak@yahoo.com, milhouse_authentico@yahoo.com,
Billy_Cmelaks_daddy@hushmail.com, boytoy_ray_ohara@yahoo.com,
your_worse_nightmare@mac.hush.com, Douglas_Long@hushmail.com,
Yellow-Eyed-Ferret@hushmail.com, auto242129@hushmail.com,
bresner@eatmyshorts, bresser@nerd.net, bresner@retards.com,
Milhouse@deadmusicians.com, robert_not_roberto@hushmail.com,
TeamConfuzed@aol.com, which are all associated with
http://www.buccaneerpublishing.com/, http://www.BuccaneerPress.com,
http://www.PirateJohn.com, http://www.RidingIntoHistory.org,
http://groups.google.com/group/jimmy_buffett-moderated, as well the
Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club http://www.ABVMC.com for which
Pirate John Wesley Gilmer III boasts of being its "el presidente" and
about an Iron Butt Association 50CC in 2001 and his 1998 BMW R1100GS
"Robomantis", 1996 BMW K1100RS mk. II "Franken-K" a/k/a "The
ArrestMeRed K", 1997 F650 She Who Must Be Obeyed's bike
1986 BMW K100RS Flying Brick) who resides at 12526 Agatite Road,
Jacksonville, Florida 32258 while sweetheart scamming the house's
alleged owner Deborah Lynch (aka, of
http://www.deblynchrealtor.com) who is not worried about her privacy
as stated in usenet "Message-ID:
<1106845004.866096.13990@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>" and instructed
him to "give the jackasses both barrels"...
~~~~
John Wesley Gilmer III, 12526 Agatite Road, Jacksonville,
Florida 32258; (904) 247-3543 or (904) 652-7222 or (904)
268-5220 or (904) 673-0932; "I'm smarter, bigger, stronger,
and a lot meaner than you are. You also won't be the first
person that I didn't like who I had to kill. Legally." -- john
wesley gilmer III; john wesley gilmer III is, of course, "el
Presidente, Atlantic Beach Vintage Motorcycle Club,
www.ABVMC.com", and, www.RidingIntoHistory.org promoter
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
14 May 2007 10:15:18 PM |
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On 14 May 2007 17:28:16 -0700, American Patriot <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
You are correct, Mexicans are North Americans, many of whom already
have strong ties to the United States. The current situation is just a
phase and will not last, North American integration will continue to
occur. The sensible thing would be to offer them work permits as soon
as they request it.
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 11:15:25 AM |
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ramon ( note lowercase) sockpuppet
"Asmodeus Rex" <someplace@nopalce.com> wrote in message
news:9v8i43di3deepties4ctejlbfvr6agno9j@4ax.com...
On 14 May 2007 17:28:16 -0700, American Patriot <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
f. ect ect.ect
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake. Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda. Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
American Patriot
You are correct, Mexicans are North Americans, many of whom already
have strong ties to the United States. The current situation is just a
phase and will not last, North American integration will continue to
occur. The sensible thing would be to offer them work permits as soon
as they request it.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 01:48:51 AM |
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On May 14, 5:28 pm, American Patriot <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
Your mexican donkey-behind logic is not comprehensible to anglo
readers except as being 'lies'.
Go back to mexicoco and lie to peones there - they are used to it.
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| User: "John Q. Public II" |
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| Title: Re: Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal" as Bigots say?=NO |
15 May 2007 07:18:55 AM |
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On May 14, 8:28 pm, American Patriot <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Are undocumented Mexicans in the USofA "Illegal"
as the bigots say=NO
They aren't "undocumented", they're in the USA illegally. The USA has
laws that are about a tenth as strict as Mexico's own laws that
concern when and how people who are not citizens of the USA can enter
and or stay in the USA. By bypassing these laws, the Mexicans who do
so are breaking the laws of the USA. That makes them criminals and
illegal aliens.
Get used to that idea. It won't go away because you want an illegal
Mexican to do your housekeeping for 1/3 the going rate.
A few basic reason why "undocumented" Mexicans are
not "illegal" in the sense that those from other countries are.
But they ARE illegal. When one disobeys a law, one has done an illegal
act. There is no getting around that fact.
a. Mexicans have been traveling back and
forth for hundreds if not thousands of years
from what is now the USofA and Mexico.
Meaningless drivel. Cavemen did too. That has nothing to do with
today's laws and a country's right to enforce it's own laws. Besides,
if that were true, then why can't a citizen of the USA that happens to
be of Mexican decent, go back and forth into Mexico at will?
Hahahaahahaha, your argument is lame as hell.
b. Half of all Mexicans have relatives in the USofA.
Who cares? I have relatives in Germany. Germany won't let me come see
them without a passport. Again, your argument is childish.
c. Many Mexican Americans have relatives in Mexico.
Yes, they do. And if they want to see them in Mexico, they have to
obey the laws of Mexico to do so. If they do not, they become illegals
in Mexico. This kind of blows your argument again, doesn't it?
d. USofA and Mexico are intertwined by blood and land.
So what? Canada and the USA are intertwined by blood and land.
Canadians still have to enter the USA legally. Why shouldn't Mexicans
have to do the same?
e. USofA are united by the Spanish language (if you
look at USofA history you'll find that the Spanish
and other Spanish speakers were in Florida across
to the western coast, South to North)
The USA is totally multicultural. People speak hundreds of languages
here. What does that have to do with obeying a nations laws if you
want to live in it?
f. ect ect.ect
ect. ect. ect. isn't an argument. It's a child's ploy to add
meaningless words to a lame argument.
The border issue is a serious one and we should
know who is entering our land that want to harm
USofAmericans. Find out who the "Other
than Mexicans" are, and deal with that situation.
Anyone who tries to enter the USA by bypassing it's laws is an illegal
alien. It makes no difference if they are Mexican or not. You need to
learn to respect the laws of the country you live in.
Issue Mexicans an i.d. cards so
they can obtain drivers licenses, insurance, live
their lives for petes sake.
If a Mexican applies for entrance to the USA legally, that person will
get the same attention as any other person doing the same thing. We
won't give Mexicans any rights that anyone else can't have. Why should
we?
Stop blaming everything
on Mexicans from your hang nails to the worse.
We don't. We do blame illegal Mexicans for the problems that they
cause. What's wrong with that? Are you trying to say that illegal
Mexicans don't cause a single problem in the USA? If you are, then
you're naive.
Stop listening to the Trancredos of this country,
they have an agenda.
Of course Trancredo has an agenda. Everyone does. His agenda is to
stop the infiltration of Mexicans into the USA illegally. The Mexican
Government does the exact same thing with people coming into Mexico.
Why can Mexico do it and not the USA? This sounds lopsided as hell.
Please Stop harassing Mexicans,
this has gone on too long; this situation about Mexicans
has been going on since the 1840s. Stop it now.
Mexicans have been entering the USA illegally since the 1840's. Are
you trying to say that the USA should allow any Mexican who wants to
live in the USA the right to do so with no legal restrictions what-so-
ever? What insanity that would be.
The USA isn't harassing Mexicans. The USA requires Mexicans to obey
the laws of the USA when trying to enter our country. Mexico does
exactly the same thing.
American Patriot
You are no American Patriot. You use the title inappropriately. By
suggesting that the Mexican people be allowed to enter the USA with no
legal restrictions, you would destroy the USA.
That makes you an American Traitor, not a Patriot.
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17 May 2007 01:58:11 PM |
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Deal Struck on Immigration Bill
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8P69MPO2&show_article=1
May 17 02:12 PM US/Eastern
By JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS
Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (AP) - Key senators in both parties announced agreement
with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would
grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in
the U.S. and fortify the border.
The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals
to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New
high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that
workers are here legally.
The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door
negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most
conservative Republicans together with President Bush's Cabinet
officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy
political consequences.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the
agreement.
"Politics is the art of the possible, and the agreement we just
reached is the best possible chance we will have in years to secure
our borders and bring millions of people out of the shadows and into
the sunshine of America," Kennedy said.
Anticipating criticism from conservatives, Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa.,
said, "It is not amnesty. This will restore the rule of law."
The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle
next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities. The
president has said he wants to sign an immigration bill by summer's
end.
The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-
called "point system" that would for the first time prioritize
immigrants' education and skill level over family connections in
deciding how to award green cards.
The draft bill "gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal
status for those who are currently here" illegally, said Sen. Dianne
Feinstein, D-Calif.
The immigration issue also divides both parties in the House, which
isn't expected to act unless the Senate passes a bill first.
The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward
and obtain a "Z visa" and-after paying fees and a $5,000 fine-
ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take
between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to
their home countries first.
They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that
would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin
the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security
improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were
completed.
A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until
those so-called "triggers" had been activated.
Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two
years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever
become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice,
but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.
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