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User: "MHirtes"
Date: 26 Dec 2003 12:37:33 PM
Object: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!!
All the damning evidence is here!
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17452
The Death of Horatio Alger
By Paul Krugman, The Nation
December 23, 2003
The other day I found myself reading a leftist rag that made outrageous
claims about America. It said that we are becoming a society in which
the poor tend to stay poor, no matter how hard they work; in which sons
are much more likely to inherit the socioeconomic status of their father
than they were a generation ago.
The name of the leftist rag? Business Week, which published an article
titled "Waking Up From the American Dream." The article summarizes
recent research showing that social mobility in the United States (which
was never as high as legend had it) has declined considerably over the
past few decades. If you put that research together with other research
that shows a drastic increase in income and wealth inequality, you reach
an uncomfortable conclusion: America looks more and more like a
class-ridden society.
And guess what? Our political leaders are doing everything they can to
fortify class inequality, while denouncing anyone who complains ­ or
even points out what is happening ­ as a practitioner of "class
warfare."
Let's talk first about the facts on income distribution. Thirty years
ago we were a relatively middle-class nation. It had not always been
thus: Gilded Age America was a highly unequal society, and it stayed
that way through the 1920s. During the 1930s and '40s, however, America
experienced what the economic historians Claudia Goldin and Robert Margo
have dubbed the Great Compression: a drastic narrowing of income gaps,
probably as a result of New Deal policies. And the new economic order
persisted for more than a generation: Strong unions; taxes on inherited
wealth, corporate profits and high incomes; close public scrutiny of
corporate management ­ all helped to keep income gaps relatively
small. The economy was hardly egalitarian, but a generation ago the
gross inequalities of the 1920s seemed very distant.
Now they're back. According to estimates by the economists Thomas
Piketty and Emmanuel Saez ­ confirmed by data from the Congressional
Budget Office ­ between 1973 and 2000 the average real income of the
bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers actually fell by 7 percent.
Meanwhile, the income of the top 1 percent rose by 148 percent, the
income of the top 0.1 percent rose by 343 percent and the income of the
top 0.01 percent rose 599 percent. (Those numbers exclude capital gains,
so they're not an artifact of the stock-market bubble.) The distribution
of income in the United States has gone right back to Gilded Age levels
of inequality.
Never mind, say the apologists, who churn out papers with titles like
that of a 2001 Heritage Foundation piece, "Income Mobility and the
Fallacy of Class-Warfare Arguments." America, they say, isn't a caste
society ­ people with high incomes this year may have low incomes next
year and vice versa, and the route to wealth is open to all. That's
where those commies at Business Week come in: As they point out (and as
economists and sociologists have been pointing out for some time),
America actually is more of a caste society than we like to think. And
the caste lines have lately become a lot more rigid.
The myth of income mobility has always exceeded the reality: As a
general rule, once they've reached their 30s, people don't move up and
down the income ladder very much. Conservatives often cite studies like
a 1992 report by Glenn Hubbard, a Treasury official under the elder Bush
who later became chief economic adviser to the younger Bush, that
purport to show large numbers of Americans moving from low-wage to
high-wage jobs during their working lives. But what these studies
measure, as the economist Kevin Murphy put it, is mainly "the guy who
works in the college bookstore and has a real job by his early 30s."
Serious studies that exclude this sort of pseudo-mobility show that
inequality in average incomes over long periods isn't much smaller than
inequality in annual incomes.
It is true, however, that America was once a place of substantial
intergenerational mobility: Sons often did much better than their
fathers. A classic 1978 survey found that among adult men whose fathers
were in the bottom 25 percent of the population as ranked by social and
economic status, 23 percent had made it into the top 25 percent. In
other words, during the first thirty years or so after World War II, the
American dream of upward mobility was a real experience for many people.
Now for the shocker: The Business Week piece cites a new survey of
today's adult men, which finds that this number has dropped to only 10
percent. That is, over the past generation upward mobility has fallen
drastically. Very few children of the lower class are making their way
to even moderate affluence. This goes along with other studies
indicating that rags-to-riches stories have become vanishingly rare, and
that the correlation between fathers' and sons' incomes has risen in
recent decades. In modern America, it seems, you're quite likely to stay
in the social and economic class into which you were born.
Business Week attributes this to the "Wal-Martization" of the economy,
the proliferation of dead-end, low-wage jobs and the disappearance of
jobs that provide entry to the middle class. That's surely part of the
explanation. But public policy plays a role ­ and will, if present
trends continue, play an even bigger role in the future.
Put it this way: Suppose that you actually liked a caste society, and
you were seeking ways to use your control of the government to further
entrench the advantages of the haves against the have-nots. What would
you do?
One thing you would definitely do is get rid of the estate tax, so that
large fortunes can be passed on to the next generation. More broadly,
you would seek to reduce tax rates both on corporate profits and on
unearned income such as dividends and capital gains, so that those with
large accumulated or inherited wealth could more easily accumulate even
more. You'd also try to create tax shelters mainly useful for the rich.
And more broadly still, you'd try to reduce tax rates on people with
high incomes, shifting the burden to the payroll tax and other revenue
sources that bear most heavily on people with lower incomes.
Meanwhile, on the spending side, you'd cut back on healthcare for the
poor, on the quality of public education and on state aid for higher
education. This would make it more difficult for people with low incomes
to climb out of their difficulties and acquire the education essential
to upward mobility in the modern economy.
And just to close off as many routes to upward mobility as possible,
you'd do everything possible to break the power of unions, and you'd
privatize government functions so that well-paid civil servants could be
replaced with poorly paid private employees.
It all sounds sort of familiar, doesn't it?
Where is this taking us? Thomas Piketty, whose work with Saez has
transformed our understanding of income distribution, warns that current
policies will eventually create "a class of rentiers in the U.S.,
whereby a small group of wealthy but untalented children controls vast
segments of the US economy and penniless, talented children simply can't
compete." If he's right ­ and I fear that he is ­ we will end up
suffering not only from injustice, but from a vast waste of human
potential.
Goodbye, Horatio Alger. And goodbye, American Dream.
.

User: "Riley The Dog"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 03:42:20 PM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-58DEA2.12373326122003@news.central.cox.net...

All the damning evidence is here!

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17452


The Death of Horatio Alger

By Paul Krugman, The Nation
December 23, 2003

To paraphrase you:
More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.
.
User: "4andNoMore"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 05:02:41 PM
"Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083
@read2.cgocable.net:


"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-58DEA2.12373326122003@news.central.cox.net...

All the damning evidence is here!

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17452


The Death of Horatio Alger

By Paul Krugman, The Nation
December 23, 2003


To paraphrase you:

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.



Have some balls and comment on the article. Can't do that?...
No shock & awe there.
NeoCon
"Knee-oh-con"
The term "NeoConservative" dates back to the early 60s to mean a branch
of radical Conservatives who goes beyond the traditional reactionary
stance.
Today the term means radical rightwing supporters who supports the
supression of freedom of speech although they support racism; who
supports nation building abroad although they hate making the US a better
place; who supports the "liberation" of Iraqis although they support
racist profiling as well lock ups of Arab immigrants in the US; who
supports Corporate welfare although they hate the welfare system; who
support the rich in general, although most of them are in the
middle/lower class; who support the war, knowing how much it will cost,
although they are against taxes.

see hypocrisy
see cognitive dissonance
see ignorance
NeoCons are making America look bad.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon
--
NeoCon
"Knee-oh-con"
The term "NeoConservative" dates back to the early 60s to mean a branch
of radical Conservatives who goes beyond the traditional reactionary
stance.
Today the term means radical rightwing supporters who supports the
supression of freedom of speech although they support racism; who
supports nation building abroad although they hate making the US a better
place; who supports the "liberation" of Iraqis although they support
racist profiling as well lock ups of Arab immigrants in the US; who
supports Corporate welfare although they hate the welfare system; who
support the rich in general, although most of them are in the
middle/lower class; who support the war, knowing how much it will cost,
although they are against taxes.

see hypocrisy
see cognitive dissonance
see ignorance
NeoCons are making America look bad.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=neocon
.

User: "King Pineapple"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 04:53:22 PM
Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in message
news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.

Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp
"Who ever claimed Lieberman was
anything more than just another corporate
Republican *****?"
Trebor
.
User: "Riley The Dog"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 05:54:14 PM
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in message
news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.


Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp

Thanks for the link.

"Who ever claimed Lieberman was
anything more than just another corporate
Republican *****?"
Trebor



.

User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 05:48:05 PM
In article <CZ2Hb.10626$IM3.10343@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:

Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in message
news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.


Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp

Yeah, the "Irrational Rebuke" is a real "Fair and Balanced" place to get
the straight 411 on ANYTHING. LOL!
.
User: "Riley The Dog"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 26 Dec 2003 05:57:06 PM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-0D0F29.17480526122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <CZ2Hb.10626$IM3.10343@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:

Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in message
news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.


Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp


Yeah, the "Irrational Rebuke" is a real "Fair and Balanced" place to get
the straight 411 on ANYTHING. LOL!

So you can say (with a straight face) Krugman is "Fair and Balanced" ?
.
User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 27 Dec 2003 02:35:10 AM
In article <NU3Hb.65154$8Y4.549876@read2.cgocable.net>,
"Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote:

"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-0D0F29.17480526122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <CZ2Hb.10626$IM3.10343@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:

Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in message
news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe there.


Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp


Yeah, the "Irrational Rebuke" is a real "Fair and Balanced" place to get
the straight 411 on ANYTHING. LOL!


So you can say (with a straight face) Krugman is "Fair and Balanced" ?


Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?
Ask yourself that.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 27 Dec 2003 05:02:05 AM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-287223.02351027122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <NU3Hb.65154$8Y4.549876@read2.cgocable.net>,
"Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote:

"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-0D0F29.17480526122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <CZ2Hb.10626$IM3.10343@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:

Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in

message

news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...

More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe

there.


Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp


Yeah, the "Irrational Rebuke" is a real "Fair and Balanced" place to

get

the straight 411 on ANYTHING. LOL!


So you can say (with a straight face) Krugman is "Fair and Balanced" ?



Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?

Who pays Drudge? Do you have any idea?


Ask yourself that.

I thought I'd ask YOU.
.
User: "Gus"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 29 Dec 2003 01:19:03 AM
George wrote:

"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-287223.02351027122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <NU3Hb.65154$8Y4.549876@read2.cgocable.net>,
"Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote:


"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-0D0F29.17480526122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <CZ2Hb.10626$IM3.10343@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"King Pineapple" <saddlepill@earthlink.net> wrote:


Paid Political Hack "Riley The Dog" <woof@nowhere.ru> wrote in


message

news:qW1Hb.63924$8Y4.548083@read2.cgocable.net...


More ***** from pro-leftist Paul Krugman. No shock & awe


there.

Be sure to check out the Krugman TRUTH SQUAD:

http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_luskin/nrof_luskin-archive.asp


Yeah, the "Irrational Rebuke" is a real "Fair and Balanced" place to


get

the straight 411 on ANYTHING. LOL!


So you can say (with a straight face) Krugman is "Fair and Balanced" ?



Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?



Who pays Drudge? Do you have any idea?


Ask yourself that.



I thought I'd ask YOU.

Your dad's more likely to know, however. Run along now.
.

User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 27 Dec 2003 12:01:01 PM
In article <bsjord$2m1$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:


Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?


Who pays Drudge? Do you have any idea?

Yes I do. Richard Mellon Scaife. The ***** being all the anti-Clinton
witch-hunts. Heaven for-FUCKING-bid that there be a president that
actually CARES about people who AREN'T billionaires, and Scaife did his
damnest to try to take him down.
A simple Google will reveal a shitload of hits of who's ***** Matt Drudge
sucks on:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scaife+and+drudge&
btnG=Google+Search
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 27 Dec 2003 07:00:02 PM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-019ED5.12010127122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <bsjord$2m1$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:


Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?


Who pays Drudge? Do you have any idea?


Yes I do. Richard Mellon Scaife. The ***** being all the anti-Clinton
witch-hunts. Heaven for-FUCKING-bid that there be a president that
actually CARES about people who AREN'T billionaires, and Scaife did his
damnest to try to take him down.

Hmm.
Interesting.
Do you have PROOF? Or is this just another leftist rant consistant of
nothing but hate speech and liberal wet-dreams.
How about a copy of Drudge's income tax returns? That would cinch it,
wouldn't it?


A simple Google will reveal a shitload of hits of who's ***** Matt Drudge
sucks on:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scaife+and+drudge&
btnG=Google+Search

Actually, most of what I got back from google were denials from various
sources (notably David Horowitz) of your premise.
Most of the accusations about Drudge and Scaife seem to concern Scaife's
contributions to Drudge's defense fund against the Blumenthal suit. There
does NOT appear to be a smoking gun here about Drudge being on Sciafe's
payroll. Unfortunately for you, your claim is nothing but more of the "Vast
Right Wing Conspiracy" *****.
--
"MR. HARBRECHT: One more time: Where do you receive your funding? I wonder
if you could address that one more time please.
MR. DRUDGE: It's not Richard Mellon Scaife. [Applause] I had some money
saved up from my gift shop days at CBS - a late bloomer. I have a small
apartment, $600 a month rent. I drive a Metro Geo. I take the A Train
sometimes when I'm coming out of New York to the airport. I don't need much
money to do a start-up business like this. Anyone for any reason can launch
a website - little or no money - Internet connection, local phone. The modem
lets you cover the world. The modem lets you read what's happening if there
is an earthquake in Alaska seconds after it happens. I think that's fun and
dramatic - for free - by a medium that was built by taxpayer money. So
perfectly realized. And, again, let the future begin. [Applause]"
[Drudge before the National Press Club at
http://www.libertyroundtable.org/library/essay.drudge.html]
--
You have not proved your case. But that's not surprising, consider that it
is you making the accusation.
.
User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 27 Dec 2003 07:53:39 PM
In article <bsl9ul$5tc$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:


Most of the accusations about Drudge and Scaife seem to concern Scaife's
contributions to Drudge's defense fund against the Blumenthal suit. There
does NOT appear to be a smoking gun here about Drudge being on Sciafe's
payroll. Unfortunately for you, your claim is nothing but more of the "Vast
Right Wing Conspiracy" *****.

Good god, you're stupid.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 28 Dec 2003 09:32:20 AM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-59EDD6.19533927122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <bsl9ul$5tc$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:


Most of the accusations about Drudge and Scaife seem to concern Scaife's
contributions to Drudge's defense fund against the Blumenthal suit.

There

does NOT appear to be a smoking gun here about Drudge being on Sciafe's
payroll. Unfortunately for you, your claim is nothing but more of the

"Vast

Right Wing Conspiracy" *****.


Good god, you're stupid.

No. I'm not a leftist ***** like you, is all.
.
User: "Rex the Reaper"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 28 Dec 2003 11:38:45 AM
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message news:<bsmt29$c5j$0@pita.alt.net>...

No. I'm not a leftist ***** like you, is all.

Right. You're a conservative *****. You fit right in with the rest of the Pigs.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 29 Dec 2003 01:16:13 AM
"Rex the Reaper" <natjackm92us@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f3b9ba77.0312280938.29d4a58e@posting.google.com...

"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message

news:<bsmt29$c5j$0@pita.alt.net>...

No. I'm not a leftist ***** like you, is all.


Right. You're a conservative *****. You fit right in with the rest of

the Pigs.
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User: "Rex the Reaper"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 29 Dec 2003 10:39:36 AM
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote in message news:<bsokc5$h1j$0@pita.alt.net>...

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***** can draw crappy ASCII art! How impressive!

*****!

I would need a microscope to see it.
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User: ""

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof that KKKonservatives are *ANTI-AMERICAN TRAITORS*!!! 08 Jan 2004 01:13:23 AM
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"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:


Is he a paid stooge (like Matt Drudge is)?


Who pays Drudge? Do you have any idea?


Yes I do. Richard Mellon Scaife. The ***** being all the anti-Clinton
witch-hunts. Heaven for-FUCKING-bid that there be a president that
actually CARES about people who AREN'T billionaires, and Scaife did his
damnest to try to take him down.

A simple Google will reveal a shitload of hits of who's ***** Matt Drudge
sucks on:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scaife+and+drudge&
btnG=Google+Search

Yep.
John M.
x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
x-- Access to over 800 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month
x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD
.








User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof MHirtes is suffering from tertiary syphillus.... 26 Dec 2003 11:35:13 PM
Still publishing plushy-stuffed animal porn?
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-58DEA2.12373326122003@news.central.cox.net...

All the damning evidence is here!

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17452


The Death of Horatio Alger

By Paul Krugman, The Nation
December 23, 2003

The other day I found myself reading a leftist rag that made outrageous
claims about America. It said that we are becoming a society in which
the poor tend to stay poor, no matter how hard they work; in which sons
are much more likely to inherit the socioeconomic status of their father
than they were a generation ago.

The name of the leftist rag? Business Week, which published an article
titled "Waking Up From the American Dream." The article summarizes
recent research showing that social mobility in the United States (which
was never as high as legend had it) has declined considerably over the
past few decades. If you put that research together with other research
that shows a drastic increase in income and wealth inequality, you reach
an uncomfortable conclusion: America looks more and more like a
class-ridden society.

And guess what? Our political leaders are doing everything they can to
fortify class inequality, while denouncing anyone who complains ­ or
even points out what is happening ­ as a practitioner of "class
warfare."

Let's talk first about the facts on income distribution. Thirty years
ago we were a relatively middle-class nation. It had not always been
thus: Gilded Age America was a highly unequal society, and it stayed
that way through the 1920s. During the 1930s and '40s, however, America
experienced what the economic historians Claudia Goldin and Robert Margo
have dubbed the Great Compression: a drastic narrowing of income gaps,
probably as a result of New Deal policies. And the new economic order
persisted for more than a generation: Strong unions; taxes on inherited
wealth, corporate profits and high incomes; close public scrutiny of
corporate management ­ all helped to keep income gaps relatively
small. The economy was hardly egalitarian, but a generation ago the
gross inequalities of the 1920s seemed very distant.

Now they're back. According to estimates by the economists Thomas
Piketty and Emmanuel Saez ­ confirmed by data from the Congressional
Budget Office ­ between 1973 and 2000 the average real income of the
bottom 90 percent of American taxpayers actually fell by 7 percent.
Meanwhile, the income of the top 1 percent rose by 148 percent, the
income of the top 0.1 percent rose by 343 percent and the income of the
top 0.01 percent rose 599 percent. (Those numbers exclude capital gains,
so they're not an artifact of the stock-market bubble.) The distribution
of income in the United States has gone right back to Gilded Age levels
of inequality.

Never mind, say the apologists, who churn out papers with titles like
that of a 2001 Heritage Foundation piece, "Income Mobility and the
Fallacy of Class-Warfare Arguments." America, they say, isn't a caste
society ­ people with high incomes this year may have low incomes next
year and vice versa, and the route to wealth is open to all. That's
where those commies at Business Week come in: As they point out (and as
economists and sociologists have been pointing out for some time),
America actually is more of a caste society than we like to think. And
the caste lines have lately become a lot more rigid.

The myth of income mobility has always exceeded the reality: As a
general rule, once they've reached their 30s, people don't move up and
down the income ladder very much. Conservatives often cite studies like
a 1992 report by Glenn Hubbard, a Treasury official under the elder Bush
who later became chief economic adviser to the younger Bush, that
purport to show large numbers of Americans moving from low-wage to
high-wage jobs during their working lives. But what these studies
measure, as the economist Kevin Murphy put it, is mainly "the guy who
works in the college bookstore and has a real job by his early 30s."
Serious studies that exclude this sort of pseudo-mobility show that
inequality in average incomes over long periods isn't much smaller than
inequality in annual incomes.

It is true, however, that America was once a place of substantial
intergenerational mobility: Sons often did much better than their
fathers. A classic 1978 survey found that among adult men whose fathers
were in the bottom 25 percent of the population as ranked by social and
economic status, 23 percent had made it into the top 25 percent. In
other words, during the first thirty years or so after World War II, the
American dream of upward mobility was a real experience for many people.

Now for the shocker: The Business Week piece cites a new survey of
today's adult men, which finds that this number has dropped to only 10
percent. That is, over the past generation upward mobility has fallen
drastically. Very few children of the lower class are making their way
to even moderate affluence. This goes along with other studies
indicating that rags-to-riches stories have become vanishingly rare, and
that the correlation between fathers' and sons' incomes has risen in
recent decades. In modern America, it seems, you're quite likely to stay
in the social and economic class into which you were born.

Business Week attributes this to the "Wal-Martization" of the economy,
the proliferation of dead-end, low-wage jobs and the disappearance of
jobs that provide entry to the middle class. That's surely part of the
explanation. But public policy plays a role ­ and will, if present
trends continue, play an even bigger role in the future.

Put it this way: Suppose that you actually liked a caste society, and
you were seeking ways to use your control of the government to further
entrench the advantages of the haves against the have-nots. What would
you do?

One thing you would definitely do is get rid of the estate tax, so that
large fortunes can be passed on to the next generation. More broadly,
you would seek to reduce tax rates both on corporate profits and on
unearned income such as dividends and capital gains, so that those with
large accumulated or inherited wealth could more easily accumulate even
more. You'd also try to create tax shelters mainly useful for the rich.
And more broadly still, you'd try to reduce tax rates on people with
high incomes, shifting the burden to the payroll tax and other revenue
sources that bear most heavily on people with lower incomes.

Meanwhile, on the spending side, you'd cut back on healthcare for the
poor, on the quality of public education and on state aid for higher
education. This would make it more difficult for people with low incomes
to climb out of their difficulties and acquire the education essential
to upward mobility in the modern economy.

And just to close off as many routes to upward mobility as possible,
you'd do everything possible to break the power of unions, and you'd
privatize government functions so that well-paid civil servants could be
replaced with poorly paid private employees.

It all sounds sort of familiar, doesn't it?

Where is this taking us? Thomas Piketty, whose work with Saez has
transformed our understanding of income distribution, warns that current
policies will eventually create "a class of rentiers in the U.S.,
whereby a small group of wealthy but untalented children controls vast
segments of the US economy and penniless, talented children simply can't
compete." If he's right ­ and I fear that he is ­ we will end up
suffering not only from injustice, but from a vast waste of human
potential.

Goodbye, Horatio Alger. And goodbye, American Dream.

.
User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof MHirtes is suffering from tertiary syphillus.... 27 Dec 2003 02:37:37 AM
In article <bsj5mg$vcj$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:

Still publishing plushy-stuffed animal porn?

LOL! Steve Canyon hooked a sucker with that lie! How sweet.
No shocker that it was a repug that fell for it. repugs are easy to fool.
.
User: "George"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof MHirtes is suffering from tertiary syphillus.... 27 Dec 2003 03:35:06 AM
"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-F57910.02373727122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <bsj5mg$vcj$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:

Still publishing plushy-stuffed animal porn?


LOL! Steve Canyon hooked a sucker with that lie! How sweet.

Yawn.
You got busted, is that it?
HAHAHA!


No shocker that it was a repug that fell for it. repugs are easy to fool.

Sorry, I'm not a repug -- nor a REPUBLICAN.
Say, what *do* you "pervets" use to take ***** stains out of your
plushy-costumes?
.
User: "MHirtes"

Title: Re: AT LAST! Proof MHirtes is suffering from tertiary syphillus.... 27 Dec 2003 04:38:17 AM
In article <bsjjoa$lvm$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:

"MHirtes" <htes@jawholenewaddy.com> wrote in message
news:htes-F57910.02373727122003@news.central.cox.net...

In article <bsj5mg$vcj$0@pita.alt.net>,
"George" <spamfree@nospam.forme.tv> wrote:

Still publishing plushy-stuffed animal porn?


LOL! Steve Canyon hooked a sucker with that lie! How sweet.


Yawn.

You got busted, is that it?

HAHAHA!

Um, I'm still posting, aren't I? *****!



No shocker that it was a repug that fell for it. repugs are easy to fool.


Sorry, I'm not a repug -- nor a REPUBLICAN.

So, what sort of politcal party allows assholes like you to run around
with them? The Loonieterians?


Say, what *do* you "pervets" use to take ***** stains out of your
plushy-costumes?

I dunno. Ask your Dad.
.





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