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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Harry Dope"
Date: 21 Jul 2005 11:41:12 AM
Object: ATTN ALL DEMOCRATS - Let the lying begin!

Democrats Fight to Maintain Control
Governor Schwarzenegger of California has managed to get on the November
ballot a proposal which would take away redistricting power from the
legislature and place it in the hands of a panel of retired judges. The
reason for this is that legislatures, as much as they possibly can, draw
districts in a manner designed to protect current officeholders from the
wrath of the voters. Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this,
though with the Democrats having been in power for most of the past 60
years, they are by far the greater offenders.
Because the Democrats won so big in the 2000 elections in California, they
were able to draw the districts to their heart's content...and this has led
to an immovable Democratic majority in both the California legislature and
in the California Congressional delegation. And our Democrats are not going
to give up this power without a fight:
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Three civil rights groups and two legislative
committees have jumped into a fight over Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's
attempt to change the way legislative and congressional districts are drawn
in California.
The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the William C.
Velasquez Institute and the Congress on Racial Equality Legal Defense Fund
filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging the placement of Schwarzenegger's
proposal on the Nov. 8 special election ballot.
It is all too typical of the Democrats that they are greatly afraid of
democracy - what we have here is the spectacle of the Democratic Party not
trying to win at the ballot box but of trying to prevent any ballots from
even being cast. You'd think that if they had a real case against the
Governor's plan, they'd fight it out in November and let the people
decide...but they know they don't have a case, and thus are trying to
pre-emptively strike against the will of the people.
I'd like to have a Democrat - seriously - come on here and tell me why they
feel that a lawsuit is superior to an election.
--
"The Democratic tent has shrunk to the size of a dunce cap. There's no room
for Conservatives like me. We used to have Moderates and Conservatives in
the party. Then they ran us out."
- Sen. Zell Miller
.

User: "ouroboros rex"

Title: Re: ATTN ALL DEMOCRATS - Let the lying begin! 21 Jul 2005 12:27:46 PM
"Harry Dope" <HD@earthlink.com> wrote in message
news:IeQDe.30992$Kp2.1286227@twister.southeast.rr.com...


Democrats Fight to Maintain Control

Governor Schwarzenegger of California has managed to get on the November
ballot a proposal which would take away redistricting power from the
legislature and place it in the hands of a panel of retired judges. The
reason for this is that legislatures, as much as they possibly can, draw
districts in a manner designed to protect current officeholders from the
wrath of the voters. Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this,
though with the Democrats having been in power for most of the past 60
years, they are by far the greater offenders.

Because the Democrats won so big in the 2000 elections in California, they
were able to draw the districts to their heart's content...and this has
led to an immovable Democratic majority in both the California legislature
and in the California Congressional delegation. And our Democrats are not
going to give up this power without a fight:

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Three civil rights groups and two legislative
committees have jumped into a fight over Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's
attempt to change the way legislative and congressional districts are
drawn in California.
The Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, the William C.
Velasquez Institute and the Congress on Racial Equality Legal Defense Fund
filed lawsuits Wednesday challenging the placement of Schwarzenegger's
proposal on the Nov. 8 special election ballot.


It is all too typical of the Democrats that they are greatly afraid of
democracy - what we have here is the spectacle of the Democratic Party not
trying to win at the ballot box but of trying to prevent any ballots from
even being cast. You'd think that if they had a real case against the
Governor's plan, they'd fight it out in November and let the people
decide...but they know they don't have a case, and thus are trying to
pre-emptively strike against the will of the people.

I'd like to have a Democrat - seriously - come on here and tell me why
they feel that a lawsuit is superior to an election.

Are you saying the panel of retired judges will be elected? I don't see
one word here on where they come from.
.

User: "SmirkS"

Title: Re: ATTN ALL DEMOCRATS - Let the lying begin! 21 Jul 2005 11:43:02 AM
Harry Dope posted:

Democrats and Republicans are both guilty of this,
though with the Democrats having been in power for most of the past 60
years, they are by far the greater offenders.

lmao - so, it's due to the way districts are drawn, not the fact that
californians by and large are not republicans, hey?
you're so transparent, it should be a crime.
--
TheTruthHurts.
.

User: "quibbler"

Title: Re: ATTN ALL DEMOCRATS - Let the lying begin! 21 Jul 2005 06:37:04 PM
In article <IeQDe.30992$Kp2.1286227@twister.southeast.rr.com>,
HD@earthlink.com says...

Because the Democrats won so big in the 2000 elections in California, they
were able to draw the districts to their heart's content...and this has led
to an immovable Democratic majority in both the California legislature and
in the California Congressional delegation.

Gosh, repugs would never do that, like when they did that in Texas
just recently.
--
"Faith, indeed, has up to the present not been
able to move real mountains ... But it can put
mountains where there are none." -- Nietzsche
.


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