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11 May 2004 03:44:59 PM |
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Beheading of American NOT being reported in Muslim online media |
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
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11 May 2004 05:49:11 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
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( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
Tonight, Donald Rumsfeld can go home, enter his
private room, place his eyeglasses on his desk,
sit down, deeply rub his eyes, look to the ceiling
and ask " God, are we going to loose this thing ?"
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/all-islamicsite-051104,0,2013439.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix
Partial video. I hope the dirty bastards in the WH
who instigated this war feel the pain.
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| User: "Clough" |
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11 May 2004 05:08:04 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:49:11 -0400, "MMikey" <what@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/all-islamicsite-051104,0,2013439.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix
Partial video. I hope the dirty bastards in the WH
who instigated this war feel the pain.
Full video here:
www.ogrish.com/index2.php
Clough
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| User: "MMikey" |
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11 May 2004 05:59:40 PM |
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"Clough" <inuit@canoemail.com> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 18:49:11 -0400, "MMikey" <what@yahoo.com> wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/world/all-islamicsite-051104,0,2013
439.story?coll=ny-homepage-big-pix
Partial video. I hope the dirty bastards in the WH
who instigated this war feel the pain.
Full video here:
www.ogrish.com/index2.php
Clough
Thanks, but no thanks, the partial was all
I needed to see.
I mailed your link to limbaugh......
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11 May 2004 06:54:41 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
Maybe they sent out a two-line press-release, and we'll hear more about it
in three months after an investigation has been launched.
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The United States is a great nation
George W. Bush is a national disgrace
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| User: "assurancetourix" |
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12 May 2004 08:04:03 PM |
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ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message news:<hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com>...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
As usual you got it wrong. I've just check and both sites reported it,
probably a few hours after you mentionned it. No, not because they
read you bozo, simply there's a time difference between here and
there, depending where the story appear first. By the way they were
very generous to mention this banal incident.
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2004-05/12/article03.shtml
Iraqis Condemn Beheading Of American Civilian
BAGHDAD, May 12 (IslamOnline.net) Iraqis strongly condemned
Wednesday, May 13, the beheading of an American citizen in Iraq by
unknown people, saying it is against the true essence of Islam.
Dr Muthana Harith al-Dhari, Secretary General of Muslim Scholars
Association, strongly denounced the killing, saying it runs counter to
the teachings of Islam and "does disservice to our religion and our
cause."
The Sunni scholar stressed this is a condemned operation whether
carried out by Iraqis or non-Iraqis and whether the slain was a
civilian or a military personnel.
"Even if he was a military personnel he should be treated as a
prisoner who, according to Shari'ah, must not be killed," he told
IslamOnline.net.
Deputy Head of the Islamic Party Iyaad Samarrai said the abhorrent
treatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers should never give an
excuse for treating U.S. prisoners the same way.
"This is absolutely wrong," he told IOL, asserting that "Islam does
prohibit the killing or the maltreatment of prisoners."
Samarrai said such acts harm the interest of the Iraqi people and
their cause to end the U.S.-led occupation.
"Non-Iraqis are also required not to act on their own, as their
practices worsen matters," he added.
A video put on a website linked to Al-Qaeda shows the beheading of
Nicholas Berg with his executioners saying it came in revenge for the
abuse of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. troops.
Berg arrived in Iraq for the first time in December 2003. In mid
March, Berg was held by the U.S. military in the northern city of
Mosul for no apparent reason, prompting his father to file a lawsuit
in a federal court in Philadelphia, British daily The Independent
said.
He was released by the Americans on April 6 and disappeared since
April 9 in unknown circumstances, the daily said.
His father Michael lashed out at the U.S. military and Bush
administration, saying his son might still be alive had he not been
detained by U.S. officials in Iraq without being charged and without
access to a lawyer.
Under the title "The moment of revenge: a young man beheaded for
television," the mass-circulation paper likened the horrific incident
to the Iraqi prisoner scandal as " cruel image for cruel image".
Against Islam
Al-Dawa Party, led by Shiite Interim Governing Council member Ibrahim
Al-Jafari, also condemned the decapitation of the American citizen in
the strongest possible terms.
"Undoubtedly, we reject these acts, which run counter to the true
essence of Islam and are totally unjustified," said Jawad Al-Malki, a
member of the party's politburo.
He said such acts tarnish the image of Islam and play into the hands
of subjective media.
"The beheading of Berg is shocking, grisly, unjustified violence and
an act of terrorism," he told IOL.
"By the same token, we condemn the barbaric and terrorist practices of
U.S. soldiers against Iraqi prisoners, but as we don't want this to
befall our people, we don't want it to befall others as well."
Out Of Control
Mohammad Bashar Al-Faidi, professor of Islamic studies in Al-Imam
Al-Azam University, said the tit-for-tat reprisals have slipped out of
control.
He said the days to come will witness more violence as repercussions
for the maltreatment of Iraqi prisoners "which tattered the Iraqi
dignity and honor".
But Faidi feared the beheading of the American citizen would
overshadow the Iraqi prisoner scandal.
"It will surely drift the attention of public opinion from the torture
and abuse of Iraqi prisoners," he said.
William Warda, an Iraqi rights activist, criticized the beheading as
"imprudent".
He said the Iraqi Human Rights Organization denounces the killing of
any foreigner in such a gruesome way as it has condemned the abuse of
Iraqi prisoners by occupation forces.
"We place all human beings on an equal footing irrespective of their
race, religion and color," he told IOL.
The activist said the Iraqi people have behind them a time-honored
civilization and reject such unwise practices.
The video, titled "Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi slaughtering an American",
showed five hooded men standing behind Berg while one of them read a
statement denouncing the abuses of Iraqi detainees at the notorious
Abu Ghraib prison.
The bearded victim was seated on the ground dressed in an orange
jumpsuit while the statement was read.
After the statement was finished, Berg's captors decapitated him with
a large knife.
The State Department said the body of Berg, a Philadelphia resident,
was found at the weekend dumped in Baghdad.
U.S. intelligence was investigating whether Al-Zarqawi, a leading
Al-Qaeda operative, was involved in the slaying of 26-year-old Berg.
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11 May 2004 11:04:43 PM |
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ArKLyte_ wrote:
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
What a surprise.
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| User: "ddd" |
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12 May 2004 05:14:00 AM |
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It's, like, on Al Jazeera's homepage, dunces.
Islam Online doesn't seem to feature it yet... perhaps it's a bit more
like Fox News in its 'balanced' coverage.
On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:04:43 -0400, wrote:
ArKLyte_ wrote:
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
What a surprise.
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http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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12 May 2004 08:06:18 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 11:14:00 +0100, ddd <ddd@goforit.com> wrote:
It's, like, on Al Jazeera's homepage, dunces.
It wasn't yesterday, loser. Can you read?
Islam Online doesn't seem to feature it yet...
Like the article said ..
On Wed, 12 May 2004 00:04:43 -0400, wrote:
ArKLyte_ wrote:
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
What a surprise.
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11 May 2004 07:04:41 PM |
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ArKLyte_ wrote:
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
Your topic said that it isn't being reported in the online media, yet
you just post two links to a couple? You are very confused.
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12 May 2004 12:06:00 AM |
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Stop repeating the same nonsense!
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| User: "RH" |
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11 May 2004 06:07:11 PM |
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The action was just after all they made them wear womans panties
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
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http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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| User: "The Dude" |
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11 May 2004 04:21:08 PM |
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You frequent muslim sites alot? I had this funny feeling about you.
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
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( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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| User: "Abdelkarim Benoit Evans" |
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12 May 2004 07:05:17 AM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
Well, the story is on the al-Jazeera site now and related pretty much in
the same way as on Western news sites:
<http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/C6F93CE0-8FCB-425E-BD40-672B38CF6
8B1.htm>
As for the Islam on Line site, which is NOT really a full time news site
(like CNN, al-Jazeera, BBC, MSN, etc.), there is still no mention of the
beheading, but there is a discussion of the ORTHODOX, GENERAL CONSENSUS
of Muslim scholars concerning the treatment of those taken captive in
time of war. Among other things, it reminds us and those who would
resort to mistreatment and assassination of prisioners of the following:
"Moreover, Sheikh `Atiya Saqr, former head of Al-Azhar Fatwa Committee,
adds:
"'The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, urged Muslims to show
good treatment to war captives; he said to his Companions: ³Treat the
prisoners of war kindly.² Relating how the Companions complied strictly
with this order given by the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him,
one of the prisoners of Badr, Huzayr ibn Humayr, states: ³I was with one
of Ansari families, after being taken as captive.
"'Whenever they had lunch or dinner, they used to give me preference by
providing me with bread while theyıd eat only dates, in showing
compliance with the Prophetıs order of treating prisoners well.'
"In light of the above-mentioned facts, it is crystal clear that Islam
requires that prisoners of war, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, should be
accorded with good treatment."
"Prisoners of war are not to be humiliated or degraded in any way. They
have the right to their human dignity and the right to be protected from
sexual, emotional, and physical abuse. Sufficient health care should be
provided for prisoners who need it. Proper food and clothing should also
be provided, as well as sanitary facilities. The Prophet also instructed
his Companions to shelter their prisoners from the summer sun and to
provide them with water to drink."
Source:
<http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=55158
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
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12 May 2004 08:12:34 AM |
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The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
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Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
Baloney. The cowardly pig scum were taking the koran at its face value:
9/5 Kill idol worshippers wherever you find them.
4/34 Women are inferior and should be whipped if they speak up.
5/52 Jews and Christians are destined for eternal hellfire and damnation; do
not make friends with them.
9/33 Cut off limbs of prisoners of war; wage war till only Islam is
left on earth.
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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12 May 2004 08:09:08 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans <kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
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| User: "Eris" |
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12 May 2004 08:39:42 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans <kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Norma" |
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12 May 2004 09:26:18 AM |
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"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n4a4a015nhtui62jvv9fpbe8a0l49pm0pj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Eris" |
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12 May 2004 10:46:04 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:26:18 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net>
wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n4a4a015nhtui62jvv9fpbe8a0l49pm0pj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
My point was anyone can in the Muslim world can accuse, try and
sentence anyone.
Don't think Berg committed any crime. Just in wrong place at the wrong
time.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "John Kerry" |
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12 May 2004 09:03:33 PM |
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Eris wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:26:18 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net>
wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:n4a4a015nhtui62jvv9fpbe8a0l49pm0pj@4ax.com...
On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
My point was anyone can in the Muslim world can accuse, try and
sentence anyone.
Don't think Berg committed any crime. Just in wrong place at the wrong
time.
And he was a Jew.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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12 May 2004 09:14:57 PM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:03:33 -0500, John Kerry
<Democrats@givehead.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:26:18 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net>
wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
My point was anyone can in the Muslim world can accuse, try and
sentence anyone.
Don't think Berg committed any crime. Just in wrong place at the wrong
time.
And he was a Jew.
I wonder if someone put him in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Is Berg a Jewish name? Do passports include religion? The parents said
he had fringed garments but kept them in his room.
--Remove Pi from email.
It was like that when I found it.
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| User: "Adam Albright" |
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12 May 2004 09:35:12 PM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 22:14:57 -0400, Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 21:03:33 -0500, John Kerry
<Democrats@givehead.net> wrote:
Eris wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:26:18 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net>
wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
My point was anyone can in the Muslim world can accuse, try and
sentence anyone.
Don't think Berg committed any crime. Just in wrong place at the wrong
time.
And he was a Jew.
I wonder if someone put him in the wrong place at the wrong time?
Is Berg a Jewish name? Do passports include religion? The parents said
he had fringed garments but kept them in his room.
The story is they pulled down his pants and checked his privates.
Being cut, he was likely either an American or Jew. End of story for
him. Would they have killed him if the prisoner abuse story wasn't
breaking? Who knows. That it did break now and that he was apparently
Jewish and being held didn't help his chances of getting out in one
piece. Put intended.
Look, its a shame the guy got killed. I feel for ALL that get killed
in Bush's war. The point is there are around 20,000 or so guys in Iraq
that are for all practical purposes hired guns that are getting
between $70-100K for a job that pays a fraction of that in the states.
If Berg was one of those or just some free lance guy trying to make a
buck is still not fully known. The point is he knew the ***** hole he
was walking into. Unlike our troops that were ORDERED to Iraq, Berg
and the other civilians have a choice. He didn't have to go.
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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12 May 2004 10:17:36 AM |
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 09:26:18 -0500, "Norma" <norma2339@charter.net> wrote:
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Are you speaking of Shari'a? That is a legal system abasedon the Qur'an,
Hadiths, and writings of Islamic scholars. There are distinct punishments
designated for crimes. What were the crimes of Nick Berg? That he wanted
the Iraqis to live better? Norma
Nick Berg was a Jew (and an American). That was his crime.
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( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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12 May 2004 09:30:34 AM |
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"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Yeah but Bush is going to change all that.
First he is going to install a Democracy in Iraq,
or so he initially said he was.
Then he is going to convert them to our system
of social norms.
Then he will construct a legal system for the savages.
Then he will try to convert all of them to Christians.
And he we will do this for "as long as it takes".
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| User: "Norma" |
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12 May 2004 09:27:57 AM |
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"MMikey" <what@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1Qpoc.19289$su1.17276@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
"Eris" <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 13:09:08 GMT, ArKLyte_ <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote:
On Wed, 12 May 2004 08:05:17 -0400, Abdelkarim Benoit Evans
<kevans@videotron.ca> wrote:
The people who killed Berg and Perl may call themselves "Muslims" but
their deeds are contrary to Islam. Anyone who knows the teachings of
Islam and the Traditions of the Prophet but who supports such killings
has committed an act of kufr (unbelief).
Are the Islamic countries sending intelligence officers and
troops to go look for these people who bring disgrace to
Islam? Are they supporting those that ARE looking for
al-Qaeda in the Middle East?
Why not?
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Yeah but Bush is going to change all that.
First he is going to install a Democracy in Iraq,
or so he initially said he was.
Then he is going to convert them to our system
of social norms.
Then he will construct a legal system for the savages.
Then he will try to convert all of them to Christians.
And he we will do this for "as long as it takes".
That will never happen. He may have stated "democracy" (a Western word that
is used loosely when considering other cultures), but we did have the
objective of giving them the freedom to create their own society and the
running of the country. Norma
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| User: "Max" |
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13 May 2004 04:23:28 AM |
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Eris <vithant01PI@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<n4a4a015nhtui62jvv9fpbe8a0l49pm0pj@4ax.com>...
Dude beheading is a normal and accepted practice in he Muslim world.
They practice something called Sarina which is religion based law.
Apparently anyone with a Koran, typewrite, and typing stand can set up
a court anywhere and start dispensing justice.
Sarina says "Do not kill POW" but actualy "treat them well" but who
cares.
Beheading is a normal practice in non-muslim countries even today ...
Watch some news about criminal gangs and how do they crush each other,
how they kill the leader of rival group and punish the "traitors" ...
if you do not found eneugh in US than try some far east like Taiwan,
Korea, Japan, China etc and focus on criminal gangs and their acts of
murder.
The problem is we are ALL animals in some way ...
Max
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| User: "ArKLyte_" |
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11 May 2004 04:23:15 PM |
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:21:08 -0400, "The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote:
You frequent muslim sites alot?
I visit tons of sites.
I had this funny feeling about you.
No, that 'funny feeling' was in your little pecker when you
saw the pile of sweaty, naked, squirming Iraqi prisoners.
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
--
( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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11 May 2004 05:16:36 PM |
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"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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On Tue, 11 May 2004 17:21:08 -0400, "The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net>
wrote:
You frequent muslim sites alot?
I visit tons of sites.
Muslim sites, right?
I had this funny feeling about you.
No, that 'funny feeling' was in your little pecker when you
saw the pile of sweaty, naked, squirming Iraqi prisoners.
How would you know the size of my pecker? I know you circle jerk alot, but
the law of averages doesn't apply to me.
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:hre2a0971sp94p5s3km9g076q52gavc83g@4ax.com...
As of 1545 CDT, 5/11/04 there is no mention of the al-Qaeda
beheading of the American in Iraq on al-Jazeera, or on Islam Online.
They are two major Muslim websites .....
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
Is that journalism? You be the judge.
--
( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
--
( W W P D ) - What Would Patton Do?
http://www.marianland.com/Patton/PattononTerrorists.gif
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11 May 2004 06:55:23 PM |
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"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p-ydncZVWIVbzTzdRVn-jw@adelphia.com...
I visit tons of sites.
Muslim sites, right?
So do I. It's called getting your information from a wide variety of
sources.
You got a problem with that?
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U.S. Troops = America's Pride
George W. Bush = America's Shame
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11 May 2004 11:05:17 PM |
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"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10a2pvf9s2l1rab@news.supernews.com...
"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p-ydncZVWIVbzTzdRVn-jw@adelphia.com...
I visit tons of sites.
Muslim sites, right?
So do I. It's called getting your information from a wide variety of
sources.
You got a problem with that?
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-Mr. N
apprarntly the dude does
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| User: "The Dude" |
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11 May 2004 07:12:22 PM |
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"Mr. N" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10a2pvf9s2l1rab@news.supernews.com...
"The Dude" <TheDude@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:p-ydncZVWIVbzTzdRVn-jw@adelphia.com...
I visit tons of sites.
Muslim sites, right?
So do I. It's called getting your information from a wide variety of
sources.
You got a problem with that?
Not at all. But Ark uses it to try and discredit the left.
Why you wanna fight.
You must have misunderstood my post.
I got one simple question for Ark. Less than 2 weeks ago he claimed he
killfiled me. Yet he's responding to me. So, is he a typical repug liar or
does he PLONK everytime he lost an argument. I think he's a wussy liar who
loves to post rightwing propaganda, but can't deal with it when he's been
shot down.
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-Mr. N
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U.S. Troops = America's Pride
George W. Bush = America's Shame
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