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User: "Harry Dope"
Date: 11 Aug 2007 02:34:23 PM
Object: Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data
Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data
Ok, now this is classic. Bloggers have now debunked the myth that 1998 was
the hottest year on record:
My earlier column this week detailed the work of a volunteer team to
assess problems with US temperature data used for climate modeling. One of
these people is Steve McIntyre, who operates the site climateaudit.org.
While inspecting historical temperature graphs, he noticed a strange
discontinuity, or "jump" in many locations, all occurring around the time of
January, 2000.
These graphs were created by NASA's Reto Ruedy and James Hansen (who shot
to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his views on
climate change). Hansen refused to provide McKintyre with the algorithm used
to generate graph data, so McKintyre reverse-engineered it. The result
appeared to be a Y2K bug in the handling of the raw data.
McKintyre notified the pair of the bug; Ruedy replied and acknowledged the
problem as an "oversight" that would be fixed in the next data refresh.
NASA has now silently released corrected figures, and the changes are
truly astounding. The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long
trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place. 1921
takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all occur
before World War II. Anthony Watts has put the new data in chart form,
along with a more detailed summary of the events.
Yup, man made global warming is here and its time you all realized this you
knuckledraggers. Buy a damn Prius and STFU! You cannot dispute the data!
Guess someone just did.
Meanwhile go check out some of the comments left at Roger Pielke's blog:
It appears that the historians busily re-writing history in the novel
"1984? have modern competition. Does the well-meaning possession of an
agenda excuse such excess of professional scientists?
GISS may well have to adjust 2006 down a bit further [as Steve M observes,
it's only been adjusted down by 0.10 as compared to 0.15 for all other
years].
As it stands, we are looking at a bladeless "Hockey Stick", and for all
intents and purposes at the falsification of the anthropogenic warming
hypothesis for North America.
Of particular note is that the Climate Audit piece indicates that GISS has
erased the old [unadjusted] data, giving it the makings of an excercise in
covering one's tracks. The legality of this must be questionable given that
we are dealing a federally funded agency. Astounding.
Yesterday they completely overwrote their US data set, changing virtually
every number prior to 2000, explaining this only with a cursory comment on
their webpage. In addition, they have changed their UHI adjustments so that
in many cases the changed UHI adjustments offset the error in their "raw"
data.
Even before these change, I was unable to track their pre-2000 data to any
archive. It was sort of like USHCN adjusted data in the 1990s but diverged
in earlier periods. I've requested a copy of the original data set or
information on its provenance.
I would welcome letters to GISS urging them to fully disclose their source
code.
The unravelling of the GISS temperature story has only just begun and is
bound to have repercussions. You can fool all of the people some of the
time, some of the people all of the time, but not both. The non-scientific,
professional press have been airing questions about the IPCC "science" for
some time now, and the mainstream media are picking up on the fact that some
things don't smell all too good in the AGW/Climate Change larder.
And this great comment rounds up the timeframe of events:
The whole issue came up because of some photos Anthony Watts volunteers
took of the Detroit Lakes, MN USHCN site in July.
http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=3891
Climate Audit first commented on the Detroit Lakes site on July 26th.
http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?paged=3
The debate/discussion continued with a post at
http://rabett.blogspot.com/ on August 1st.
With a further look at the data, Steve McIntyre discovered the Y2K error
and announced it on August 3rd.
http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?paged=2
And NASA corrected it's GISTEMP data on August 7th. I believe.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/
All happened very fast.
And this commenter explains why this change in data is so important:
the USA has been the single biggest source of CO2 emissions in the world
over the past 100 years. We have for 20 years or so been asked to accept as
the fundamental hypothesis the postulate that an increase in CO2 is the
primary and single most important independant variable forcing increased
temperatures. CO2 ppmv has continued to increase, temperatures have not. The
hypothesis has been falsified for North America.
[...]The overarching question in all of this is: why have publicly funded
research organizations [in the US, UK and elsewhere] been getting away with
publishing increasingly questionable climate data that is turned into
government policy as if gospel, without subjecting themselves the most basic
of scientific scrutinies, that of publishing their respective "materials and
methods" sections?
if CO2 is a so called greenhouse gas, it was supposed to force an increase
in temperatures. This has not happened and is not happening. 1934, during
the Depression and the ensuing economic downturn [= less use of hydrocarbons
= less CO2] is the warmest year on record since 1900. There is no post-1998
Hockey Stick as forecast by the IPCC. The CO2 based AGW hypothesis has been
falsified. Back to the drawing board.
The error noted by Steve M. was obvious, its source was obvious, and the
fix was obvious. The keepers of the data could not argue against it and so
they caved in and adjusted their data in less than a week. The fact that one
error had such a profound impact on a key piece of hype that is used to push
the need for drastic action should make everybody pause and wonder what the
eventual outcome will be of the broader issues being looked at by Anthony
Watts and his volunteer observers. What happens if there is another tenth of
a degree (or more) taken out of the dataset by errors and biases uncovered
there? Doesn't that begin to call into question the whole theory of AGW? If
the models can account for warming up to the 1950s with natural forcings,
but not all of the warming since 1980, then what happens if that chunk of
the post-1980s warming is found to be error or measurement artifacts? Will
the experts admit that the models can account for all warming with natural
forcings? Then what? The wheels fall off the Al Gore snake-oil-mobile.
For all who were sarcastic, etc., about that .1C. As pointed out that is
16.7% of a total phenomena claimed to be valid. Not only is it significant,
considering that IPCC claimed that the correctness was about 99% and now
part has been shown to be at best 83.3%, should cause an appreciation that
potential (not actual) problems have been proven. The correction has
falsified an important claim of at least the significance, if not the
relation itself.
Much more where that came from. Go check it out.
--
What we find is that the surge has troops going into areas, where for 4 1/2
years we have not seen our military in action. Naturally, they are routing
out al Qaeda in those areas. That's a good thing.
-- Sen. ***** Durbin
.

User: "Rush Simpleton"

Title: Re: Global Warming Data is Accurate 11 Aug 2007 03:17:08 PM
"Hairy Ape" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data

So you mean they got their Climatology Degrees from the same place you did?
Suckone Roberts University of god Created the Earth in 6 days?
Or was it Jerry Sellwell's School of *****?
.
User: "Tab182"

Title: Re: Global Warming Data is Accurate 11 Aug 2007 03:27:08 PM
On Aug 11, 4:17 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Hairy Ape" <H...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data


So you mean they got their Climatology Degrees from the same place you did?
Suckone Roberts University of god Created the Earth in 6 days?
Or was it Jerry Sellwell's School of *****?

Funded By EXXON and BP research grants and published in MAD
Magazine(which is where Dopey read it)!
.
User: "Rush Simpleton"

Title: Re: Global Warming Data is Accurate 11 Aug 2007 04:06:18 PM
"Tab182" <tabernacle2002@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 11, 4:17 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Hairy Ape" <H...@aol.com> wrote in message

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Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data


So you mean they got their Climatology Degrees from the same place you
did?
Suckone Roberts University of god Created the Earth in 6 days?
Or was it Jerry Sellwell's School of *****?


Funded By EXXON and BP research grants and published in MAD
Magazine(which is where Dopey read it)!

I don't know about Dopey reading it.
I'm convinced he's a blind guy who has dyslexia and a frontal lobotomy.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: Global Warming Data is Accurate 11 Aug 2007 04:51:50 PM
On Aug 11, 5:06 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Tab182" <tabernacle2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:1186864028.258719.293430@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 11, 4:17 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Hairy Ape" <H...@aol.com> wrote in message


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Jerk B Simpleton proves that he fits his nym-
redoubled in spades.
- -
There are three types of people that you can_not_talk
into behaving well. The stupid, the religious fanatic,
and the evil.
1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the logic
of what you say. You have to tell them what is right in
very simple terms. If they don't agree, then you'll
never be able to change their mind.
2- the religious fanatic
If what you say goes against their religious belief,
they will cling to that religious belief even if it
means their death."
3- There is no way to reform evil-
Not in a million years
There is no way to convince the terrorists, serial
killers, pedophiles, and predators to change their evil
ways. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but
that knowledge didn't stop them. It only made them more
careful in how they went about performing their evil
acts.
.
User: "Rush Simpleton"

Title: Re: leoTard78's Warming Data is Fraudulent 11 Aug 2007 05:59:49 PM
<leoTard78sp@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Aug 11, 5:06 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Tab182" <tabernacle2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

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On Aug 11, 4:17 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Hairy Ape" <H...@aol.com> wrote in message


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Jerk B Simpleton proves that he fits his nym-
redoubled in spades.

Show me your degree in Meteorology, LeoTard.
C'mon big mouth. Show me.
F'kin *****.
.
User: ""

Title: Re: leoTard78's Warming Data is Fraudulent 12 Aug 2007 01:12:11 PM
On Aug 11, 6:59 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

<leoTard7...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:1186869110.931632.312650@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

On Aug 11, 5:06 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:

"Tab182" <tabernacle2...@hotmail.com> wrote in message


news:1186864028.258719.293430@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...


On Aug 11, 4:17 pm, "Rush Simpleton" <JerkB...@CrawfordRanch.net>
wrote:


Jerk B Simpleton proves that he fits his nym-
redoubled in spades.


Show me your degree in Meteorology,
C'mon big mouth. Show me.
F'kin *****.

Jerk B Simpleton once again demonstrates why
all agree that he is a rude, crude jackass without
the first clue
Do try to keep up!
- -
There are three types of people that you can_not_talk
into behaving well. The stupid, the religious fanatic,
and the evil.
1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the logic
of what you say. You have to tell them what is right in
very simple terms. If they don't agree, then you'll
never be able to change their mind.
2- the religious fanatic
If what you say goes against their religious belief,
they will cling to that religious belief even if it
means their death."
3- There is no way to reform evil-
Not in a million years
There is no way to convince the terrorists, serial
killers, pedophiles, and predators to change their evil
ways. They knew what they were doing was wrong, but
that knowledge didn't stop them. It only made them more
careful in how they went about performing their evil
acts.
.
User: "Kurt Lochner"

Title: Re: leoTard78's Warming Data is Fraudulent 12 Aug 2007 01:23:09 PM
AKA
whined/opined:


Rush Simpleton laughed at:


AKA
sniveled:

____>

Jerk B Simpleton proves that he fits his nym-
redoubled in spades.


Show me your degree in Meteorology,
C'mon big mouth. Show me.
F'kin *****.


Kerk B Simpleton once again demonstrates why
all agree that he is a rude, crude jackass [..]

So where's your degree in Meteorology from, again?
--See subject header for details..
.







User: "ThePhisherKIng Locker@BusStation"

Title: Re: Bloggers write bunk about Global Warming Data 11 Aug 2007 02:56:28 PM
"Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in
news:46be0f64$0$16609$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:

Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data


Ok, now this is classic. Bloggers have now debunked the myth that
1998 was the hottest year on record:

My earlier column this week detailed the work of a volunteer team to
assess problems with US temperature data used for climate modeling.
One of these people is Steve McIntyre, who operates the site
climateaudit.org. While inspecting historical temperature graphs, he
noticed a strange discontinuity, or "jump" in many locations, all
occurring around the time of January, 2000.

These graphs were created by NASA's Reto Ruedy and James Hansen (who
shot
to fame when he accused the administration of trying to censor his
views on climate change). Hansen refused to provide McKintyre with the
algorithm used to generate graph data, so McKintyre reverse-engineered
it. The result appeared to be a Y2K bug in the handling of the raw
data.

McKintyre notified the pair of the bug; Ruedy replied and
acknowledged the
problem as an "oversight" that would be fixed in the next data
refresh.

NASA has now silently released corrected figures, and the changes
are
truly astounding. The warmest year on record is now 1934. 1998 (long
trumpeted by the media as record-breaking) moves to second place.
1921 takes third. In fact, 5 of the 10 warmest years on record now all
occur before World War II. Anthony Watts has put the new data in
chart form, along with a more detailed summary of the events.

Yup, man made global warming is here and its time you all realized
this you knuckledraggers. Buy a damn Prius and STFU! You cannot
dispute the data!

Guess someone just did.

Meanwhile go check out some of the comments left at Roger Pielke's
blog:

It appears that the historians busily re-writing history in the
novel
"1984? have modern competition. Does the well-meaning possession of an
agenda excuse such excess of professional scientists?

GISS may well have to adjust 2006 down a bit further [as Steve M
observes,
it's only been adjusted down by 0.10 as compared to 0.15 for all other
years].

As it stands, we are looking at a bladeless "Hockey Stick", and for
all
intents and purposes at the falsification of the anthropogenic warming
hypothesis for North America.

Of particular note is that the Climate Audit piece indicates that
GISS has
erased the old [unadjusted] data, giving it the makings of an
excercise in covering one's tracks. The legality of this must be
questionable given that we are dealing a federally funded agency.
Astounding.


Yesterday they completely overwrote their US data set, changing
virtually
every number prior to 2000, explaining this only with a cursory
comment on their webpage. In addition, they have changed their UHI
adjustments so that in many cases the changed UHI adjustments offset
the error in their "raw" data.

Even before these change, I was unable to track their pre-2000 data
to any
archive. It was sort of like USHCN adjusted data in the 1990s but
diverged in earlier periods. I've requested a copy of the original
data set or information on its provenance.

I would welcome letters to GISS urging them to fully disclose their
source
code.


The unravelling of the GISS temperature story has only just begun
and is
bound to have repercussions. You can fool all of the people some of
the time, some of the people all of the time, but not both. The
non-scientific, professional press have been airing questions about
the IPCC "science" for some time now, and the mainstream media are
picking up on the fact that some things don't smell all too good in
the AGW/Climate Change larder.

And this great comment rounds up the timeframe of events:

The whole issue came up because of some photos Anthony Watts
volunteers
took of the Detroit Lakes, MN USHCN site in July.

http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php?g2_itemId=3891

Climate Audit first commented on the Detroit Lakes site on July
26th.

http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?paged=3

The debate/discussion continued with a post at
http://rabett.blogspot.com/ on August 1st.

With a further look at the data, Steve McIntyre discovered the Y2K
error
and announced it on August 3rd.

http://www.climateaudit.org/index.php?paged=2

And NASA corrected it's GISTEMP data on August 7th. I believe.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/

All happened very fast.

And this commenter explains why this change in data is so important:

the USA has been the single biggest source of CO2 emissions in the
world
over the past 100 years. We have for 20 years or so been asked to
accept as the fundamental hypothesis the postulate that an increase in
CO2 is the primary and single most important independant variable
forcing increased temperatures. CO2 ppmv has continued to increase,
temperatures have not. The hypothesis has been falsified for North
America.

[...]The overarching question in all of this is: why have publicly
funded
research organizations [in the US, UK and elsewhere] been getting away
with publishing increasingly questionable climate data that is turned
into government policy as if gospel, without subjecting themselves the
most basic of scientific scrutinies, that of publishing their
respective "materials and methods" sections?

if CO2 is a so called greenhouse gas, it was supposed to force an
increase
in temperatures. This has not happened and is not happening. 1934,
during the Depression and the ensuing economic downturn [= less use of
hydrocarbons = less CO2] is the warmest year on record since 1900.
There is no post-1998 Hockey Stick as forecast by the IPCC. The CO2
based AGW hypothesis has been falsified. Back to the drawing board.

The error noted by Steve M. was obvious, its source was obvious, and
the
fix was obvious. The keepers of the data could not argue against it
and so they caved in and adjusted their data in less than a week. The
fact that one error had such a profound impact on a key piece of hype
that is used to push the need for drastic action should make everybody
pause and wonder what the eventual outcome will be of the broader
issues being looked at by Anthony Watts and his volunteer observers.
What happens if there is another tenth of a degree (or more) taken out
of the dataset by errors and biases uncovered there? Doesn't that
begin to call into question the whole theory of AGW? If the models can
account for warming up to the 1950s with natural forcings, but not all
of the warming since 1980, then what happens if that chunk of the
post-1980s warming is found to be error or measurement artifacts? Will
the experts admit that the models can account for all warming with
natural forcings? Then what? The wheels fall off the Al Gore
snake-oil-mobile.

For all who were sarcastic, etc., about that .1C. As pointed out
that is
16.7% of a total phenomena claimed to be valid. Not only is it
significant, considering that IPCC claimed that the correctness was
about 99% and now part has been shown to be at best 83.3%, should
cause an appreciation that potential (not actual) problems have been
proven. The correction has falsified an important claim of at least
the significance, if not the relation itself.

Much more where that came from. Go check it out.

A couple of non scentists trying to rewrite stuff that already been
disproven. Kinda like the guys who say that the WTC was a controlled
demolition in the face of all of the evidence against them. Of course,
Dopey wouldn't know the difference cuz he's as uninformed as the
bloggers. Oh, well. The beat goes on.
.

User: "Joe S."

Title: Re: Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data 11 Aug 2007 03:41:22 PM
"Harry Dope" <HHHA@aol.com> wrote in message
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Bloggers Debunk Global Warming Data


Ok, now this is classic. Bloggers have now debunked the myth that 1998
was the hottest year on record:

Let's see if I understand this -- Harry Dope has a huge erection because
"bloggers have debunked global warming data."
But -- if a blogger reveals that, say, Valerie Plame really was a covert
agent, then, Harry will tell us how we can't trust bloggers.
.


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