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27 May 2006 08:22:32 AM |
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Bogus: Iran's Badges for Jews and Christians |
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
Jan Frel, AlterNet
A now discredited article by Iranian-American and neocon chum Amir Taheri
that appeared last Friday in the Canadian National Post suggested that new
legislation in Iran would require Jews and other religious minorities to
wear distinctive color badges. At the article's end appeared this invitation
to readers:
"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your
opinion online at nationalpost.com."
The readers who wrote in immediately savaged the article, its author and the
National Post's facile, transparent attempt to resurrect the Wermacht. No
one took the bait, and the disbelief quickly spread across the internet.
The swift rejection of this attempt to turn Iran into the Fourth Reich
incarnate is surely a natural reflex of a public still smarting from the
ordeal of the Iraq PR campaign. Another explanation for the rapid response
is the massive growth in streams of alternative information available to the
public -- organizations like Media Matters and PR Watch literally make their
living exposing lies and propaganda as they are released through media and
government channels.
And then there are the bloggers who can singlehandedly get to the bottom of
large-scale lies. In the case of the National Post story, blogger Taylor
Marsh phoned the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which had confirmed Taheri's story
after the report came out. A researcher Marsh spoke with on Friday "was
eager to confirm it, using words like 'throwback' to the Nazi era, 'very
true' and 'very scary.' ... "
Within the day, the story was repudiated. Middle East expert Juan Cole
revealed that there was no evidence of any such anti-Jewish Iranian
legislation, citing a report in the Australian press that quoted an Iranian
politician denying its existence. Later in the day, Marsh again called the
Wiesenthal Center and got the runaround. Looking at a fax the researcher
sent her as background, Marsh discovered that the National Post had
suggested to a rabbi at the Wiesenthal Center that it was important to "draw
attention" to Taheri's report, exposing the scaffolding behind the
propaganda effort.
Marsh concluded with the pointed question, "Who got the Simon Wiesenthal
Center to stick their necks out on this bogus Iranian badge story, risking
their very reputation and funding credibility, and who had what to gain by
doing so?"
Marsh's deconstruction matters, because the story quickly made the rounds in
conservative media, as analyst Jim Lobe wrote for IPS:
Taheri's story ... was reprinted by the New York Post, which is owned by
media baron Rupert Murdoch, and picked up by the Jerusalem Post, which also
featured a photo of a yellow star from the Nazi era over a photo of Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Another neoconservative publication, the New York Sun, also noted the
story Monday, claiming that the specific report that special badges were
required by the legislation had been "incorrect." At the same time, however,
the Sun quoted two Iranian-American foes of the Islamic Republic as
suggesting that dress requirements for religious minorities were still being
considered by Iran's ruling circles. It offered no evidence to support that
assertion.
The rapid discrediting of the Taheri article had real impact; instead of
Condi Rice's trumpeting it as evidence of a proto-Nazi human-rights
disaster, all we heard was a peep from U.S. State Department spokesman Sean
McCormack, who professed ignorance of the now-toxic article and slyly
referred to the idea of Iran forcing people to wear badges as evocative of
"Germany under Hitler."
Since the evil dictator line has been used and abused to the point of
meaninglessness over the past five years in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea
and elsewhere, Bush and his team have been reduced to plundering words that
still have some resonance in American life: "Hitler," "Nazis" and
"Holocaust." Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker quoted a former senior
intelligence official who said that Hitler is the comparison "name they are
using" for Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
But, as the National Post story makes apparent, this tactic is not really
working. The columnists and propagandists who support attacking Iran appear
to sense that the Nazi backdrop through which they have been asked to
present "The Iranian Question" reflects the utter baselessness of the charge
and the facility with which opponents can easily refute their claims. Unlike
the point-blank lies and bullet-point shotgun blasts on the op-ed pages and
cable segments we got with Iraq about evil and weapons programs, with the
Iran campaign, it has to be subliminal, surreptitious, stab-in-the-back.
Take conservative pundit Niall Ferguson's attempt in the L.A. Times. His May
15 opinion article was ostensibly about the rise of many little Cold Wars
with the proliferation of nuclear powers. But within six sentences, Ferguson
reveals that he wants to talk about Iran. Soon enough, in the most
backhanded way possible, he tiptoes toward the Nazis:
"It is, of course, always dangerous to draw analogies with the 1930s. Too
many bad decisions have been made over the years on the basis of facile
parallels -- between Hitler and Nasser, between Hitler and Saddam Hussein."
In other words, even the Nazi comparison may have been looted of its meaning
in the name of making bad decisions. So haven't we learned our lesson? No,
because Bush still has one very bad decision to make, and a fanatic
obsession with war does not generally give rise to creative impulses. So
Ferguson relents: "Still, in one respect, Ahmadinejad really has taken a
leaf out of the Führer's book."
It would be a distraction to explain just which leaf Ferguson is referring
to, because then we'd be missing the point, which is to push us to link our
historic venom against Nazis with anything Iranian, at any cost. Even the
projection of Ahmadinejad as supreme leader is dubious; analysts and
reporters have argued that he's merely a figurehead, and Seymour Hersh
qouted a European diplomat who declared, "Ahmadinejad is not in control."
If enough people laugh off the attempts to draw Hitler's moustache on
Ahmadinejad's upper lip, we might see the domestic propaganda division of
the Get Iran effort shut down. The rapid and torrential takedown of the
Taheri story is a good step in that direction.
But what if the propaganda were to stop, yet the attack on Iran were
launched anyway?
Given the growing sense of total independence the Bush administration has
displayed over the years, and its contempt for the press, it doesn't take a
huge leap of the imagination to envision them attacking Iran while ignoring
congressional power, public opinion, protesters and dissidents alike. That
would be a very scary "first" in American history -- the only administration
to go to war without a propaganda campaign. They don't even feel the need to
lie to us anymore.
Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.
© 2006 Independent Media Institute.
Source: AlterNet
http://alternet.org/story/36654/
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27 May 2006 09:49:10 AM |
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HoneyBadger <scotnormanviking.net> wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
Don't you mean "by the zionists"?
Ta ta...
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| User: "geno2345" |
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27 May 2006 10:13:02 AM |
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It's the zionazi's new suit. Jewqaeda.
They are now wearing the skull and bones emblem on their collar.
"halle" <no@niin.fi> wrote in message
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HoneyBadger <scotnormanviking.net> wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
Don't you mean "by the zionists"?
Ta ta...
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| User: "HoneyBadger scotnormanviking.net" |
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27 May 2006 10:36:01 AM |
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halle wrote:
HoneyBadger <scotnormanviking.net> wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
Don't you mean "by the zionists"?
Mabye, but that's not clear from the article.
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
Jan Frel, AlterNet
A now discredited article by Iranian-American and neocon chum Amir Taheri
that appeared last Friday in the Canadian National Post suggested that new
legislation in Iran would require Jews and other religious minorities to
wear distinctive color badges. At the article's end appeared this invitation
to readers:
"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your
opinion online at nationalpost.com."
The readers who wrote in immediately savaged the article, its author and the
National Post's facile, transparent attempt to resurrect the Wermacht. No
one took the bait, and the disbelief quickly spread across the internet.
The swift rejection of this attempt to turn Iran into the Fourth Reich
incarnate is surely a natural reflex of a public still smarting from the
ordeal of the Iraq PR campaign. Another explanation for the rapid response
is the massive growth in streams of alternative information available to the
public -- organizations like Media Matters and PR Watch literally make their
living exposing lies and propaganda as they are released through media and
government channels.
And then there are the bloggers who can singlehandedly get to the bottom of
large-scale lies. In the case of the National Post story, blogger Taylor
Marsh phoned the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which had confirmed Taheri's story
after the report came out. A researcher Marsh spoke with on Friday "was
eager to confirm it, using words like 'throwback' to the Nazi era, 'very
true' and 'very scary.' ... "
Within the day, the story was repudiated. Middle East expert Juan Cole
revealed that there was no evidence of any such anti-Jewish Iranian
legislation, citing a report in the Australian press that quoted an Iranian
politician denying its existence. Later in the day, Marsh again called the
Wiesenthal Center and got the runaround. Looking at a fax the researcher
sent her as background, Marsh discovered that the National Post had
suggested to a rabbi at the Wiesenthal Center that it was important to "draw
attention" to Taheri's report, exposing the scaffolding behind the
propaganda effort.
Marsh concluded with the pointed question, "Who got the Simon Wiesenthal
Center to stick their necks out on this bogus Iranian badge story, risking
their very reputation and funding credibility, and who had what to gain by
doing so?"
Marsh's deconstruction matters, because the story quickly made the rounds in
conservative media, as analyst Jim Lobe wrote for IPS:
Taheri's story ... was reprinted by the New York Post, which is owned by
media baron Rupert Murdoch, and picked up by the Jerusalem Post, which also
featured a photo of a yellow star from the Nazi era over a photo of Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Another neoconservative publication, the New York Sun, also noted the
story Monday, claiming that the specific report that special badges were
required by the legislation had been "incorrect." At the same time, however,
the Sun quoted two Iranian-American foes of the Islamic Republic as
suggesting that dress requirements for religious minorities were still being
considered by Iran's ruling circles. It offered no evidence to support that
assertion.
The rapid discrediting of the Taheri article had real impact; instead of
Condi Rice's trumpeting it as evidence of a proto-Nazi human-rights
disaster, all we heard was a peep from U.S. State Department spokesman Sean
McCormack, who professed ignorance of the now-toxic article and slyly
referred to the idea of Iran forcing people to wear badges as evocative of
"Germany under Hitler."
Since the evil dictator line has been used and abused to the point of
meaninglessness over the past five years in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea
and elsewhere, Bush and his team have been reduced to plundering words that
still have some resonance in American life: "Hitler," "Nazis" and
"Holocaust." Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker quoted a former senior
intelligence official who said that Hitler is the comparison "name they are
using" for Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
But, as the National Post story makes apparent, this tactic is not really
working. The columnists and propagandists who support attacking Iran appear
to sense that the Nazi backdrop through which they have been asked to
present "The Iranian Question" reflects the utter baselessness of the charge
and the facility with which opponents can easily refute their claims. Unlike
the point-blank lies and bullet-point shotgun blasts on the op-ed pages and
cable segments we got with Iraq about evil and weapons programs, with the
Iran campaign, it has to be subliminal, surreptitious, stab-in-the-back.
Take conservative pundit Niall Ferguson's attempt in the L.A. Times. His May
15 opinion article was ostensibly about the rise of many little Cold Wars
with the proliferation of nuclear powers. But within six sentences, Ferguson
reveals that he wants to talk about Iran. Soon enough, in the most
backhanded way possible, he tiptoes toward the Nazis:
"It is, of course, always dangerous to draw analogies with the 1930s. Too
many bad decisions have been made over the years on the basis of facile
parallels -- between Hitler and Nasser, between Hitler and Saddam Hussein."
In other words, even the Nazi comparison may have been looted of its meaning
in the name of making bad decisions. So haven't we learned our lesson? No,
because Bush still has one very bad decision to make, and a fanatic
obsession with war does not generally give rise to creative impulses. So
Ferguson relents: "Still, in one respect, Ahmadinejad really has taken a
leaf out of the Führer's book."
It would be a distraction to explain just which leaf Ferguson is referring
to, because then we'd be missing the point, which is to push us to link our
historic venom against Nazis with anything Iranian, at any cost. Even the
projection of Ahmadinejad as supreme leader is dubious; analysts and
reporters have argued that he's merely a figurehead, and Seymour Hersh
qouted a European diplomat who declared, "Ahmadinejad is not in control."
If enough people laugh off the attempts to draw Hitler's moustache on
Ahmadinejad's upper lip, we might see the domestic propaganda division of
the Get Iran effort shut down. The rapid and torrential takedown of the
Taheri story is a good step in that direction.
But what if the propaganda were to stop, yet the attack on Iran were
launched anyway?
Given the growing sense of total independence the Bush administration has
displayed over the years, and its contempt for the press, it doesn't take a
huge leap of the imagination to envision them attacking Iran while ignoring
congressional power, public opinion, protesters and dissidents alike. That
would be a very scary "first" in American history -- the only administration
to go to war without a propaganda campaign. They don't even feel the need to
lie to us anymore.
Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.
© 2006 Independent Media Institute.
--
Mellivora Capensis
http://www.prwatch.org/
http://mediamatters.org/
http://www.alternet.org/
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27 May 2006 08:50:33 PM |
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It is Israel that compares to Nazi Germany.
"HoneyBadger" <scotnormanviking.net> wrote in message
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halle wrote:
HoneyBadger <scotnormanviking.net> wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
Don't you mean "by the zionists"?
Mabye, but that's not clear from the article.
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
Jan Frel, AlterNet
A now discredited article by Iranian-American and neocon chum Amir Taheri
that appeared last Friday in the Canadian National Post suggested that new
legislation in Iran would require Jews and other religious minorities to
wear distinctive color badges. At the article's end appeared this
invitation
to readers:
"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your
opinion online at nationalpost.com."
The readers who wrote in immediately savaged the article, its author and
the
National Post's facile, transparent attempt to resurrect the Wermacht. No
one took the bait, and the disbelief quickly spread across the internet.
The swift rejection of this attempt to turn Iran into the Fourth Reich
incarnate is surely a natural reflex of a public still smarting from the
ordeal of the Iraq PR campaign. Another explanation for the rapid response
is the massive growth in streams of alternative information available to
the
public -- organizations like Media Matters and PR Watch literally make
their
living exposing lies and propaganda as they are released through media and
government channels.
And then there are the bloggers who can singlehandedly get to the bottom
of
large-scale lies. In the case of the National Post story, blogger Taylor
Marsh phoned the Simon Wiesenthal Center, which had confirmed Taheri's
story
after the report came out. A researcher Marsh spoke with on Friday "was
eager to confirm it, using words like 'throwback' to the Nazi era, 'very
true' and 'very scary.' ... "
Within the day, the story was repudiated. Middle East expert Juan Cole
revealed that there was no evidence of any such anti-Jewish Iranian
legislation, citing a report in the Australian press that quoted an
Iranian
politician denying its existence. Later in the day, Marsh again called the
Wiesenthal Center and got the runaround. Looking at a fax the researcher
sent her as background, Marsh discovered that the National Post had
suggested to a rabbi at the Wiesenthal Center that it was important to
"draw
attention" to Taheri's report, exposing the scaffolding behind the
propaganda effort.
Marsh concluded with the pointed question, "Who got the Simon Wiesenthal
Center to stick their necks out on this bogus Iranian badge story, risking
their very reputation and funding credibility, and who had what to gain by
doing so?"
Marsh's deconstruction matters, because the story quickly made the rounds
in
conservative media, as analyst Jim Lobe wrote for IPS:
Taheri's story ... was reprinted by the New York Post, which is owned by
media baron Rupert Murdoch, and picked up by the Jerusalem Post, which
also
featured a photo of a yellow star from the Nazi era over a photo of
Iranian
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Another neoconservative publication, the New York Sun, also noted the
story Monday, claiming that the specific report that special badges were
required by the legislation had been "incorrect." At the same time,
however,
the Sun quoted two Iranian-American foes of the Islamic Republic as
suggesting that dress requirements for religious minorities were still
being
considered by Iran's ruling circles. It offered no evidence to support
that
assertion.
The rapid discrediting of the Taheri article had real impact; instead of
Condi Rice's trumpeting it as evidence of a proto-Nazi human-rights
disaster, all we heard was a peep from U.S. State Department spokesman
Sean
McCormack, who professed ignorance of the now-toxic article and slyly
referred to the idea of Iran forcing people to wear badges as evocative of
"Germany under Hitler."
Since the evil dictator line has been used and abused to the point of
meaninglessness over the past five years in Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea
and elsewhere, Bush and his team have been reduced to plundering words
that
still have some resonance in American life: "Hitler," "Nazis" and
"Holocaust." Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker quoted a former senior
intelligence official who said that Hitler is the comparison "name they
are
using" for Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
But, as the National Post story makes apparent, this tactic is not really
working. The columnists and propagandists who support attacking Iran
appear
to sense that the Nazi backdrop through which they have been asked to
present "The Iranian Question" reflects the utter baselessness of the
charge
and the facility with which opponents can easily refute their claims.
Unlike
the point-blank lies and bullet-point shotgun blasts on the op-ed pages
and
cable segments we got with Iraq about evil and weapons programs, with the
Iran campaign, it has to be subliminal, surreptitious, stab-in-the-back.
Take conservative pundit Niall Ferguson's attempt in the L.A. Times. His
May
15 opinion article was ostensibly about the rise of many little Cold Wars
with the proliferation of nuclear powers. But within six sentences,
Ferguson
reveals that he wants to talk about Iran. Soon enough, in the most
backhanded way possible, he tiptoes toward the Nazis:
"It is, of course, always dangerous to draw analogies with the 1930s. Too
many bad decisions have been made over the years on the basis of facile
parallels -- between Hitler and Nasser, between Hitler and Saddam
Hussein."
In other words, even the Nazi comparison may have been looted of its
meaning
in the name of making bad decisions. So haven't we learned our lesson? No,
because Bush still has one very bad decision to make, and a fanatic
obsession with war does not generally give rise to creative impulses. So
Ferguson relents: "Still, in one respect, Ahmadinejad really has taken a
leaf out of the Führer's book."
It would be a distraction to explain just which leaf Ferguson is referring
to, because then we'd be missing the point, which is to push us to link
our
historic venom against Nazis with anything Iranian, at any cost. Even the
projection of Ahmadinejad as supreme leader is dubious; analysts and
reporters have argued that he's merely a figurehead, and Seymour Hersh
qouted a European diplomat who declared, "Ahmadinejad is not in control."
If enough people laugh off the attempts to draw Hitler's moustache on
Ahmadinejad's upper lip, we might see the domestic propaganda division of
the Get Iran effort shut down. The rapid and torrential takedown of the
Taheri story is a good step in that direction.
But what if the propaganda were to stop, yet the attack on Iran were
launched anyway?
Given the growing sense of total independence the Bush administration has
displayed over the years, and its contempt for the press, it doesn't take
a
huge leap of the imagination to envision them attacking Iran while
ignoring
congressional power, public opinion, protesters and dissidents alike. That
would be a very scary "first" in American history -- the only
administration
to go to war without a propaganda campaign. They don't even feel the need
to
lie to us anymore.
Jan Frel is an AlterNet staff writer.
© 2006 Independent Media Institute.
--
Mellivora Capensis
http://www.prwatch.org/
http://mediamatters.org/
http://www.alternet.org/
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28 May 2006 09:21:58 AM |
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"geno2345" <francis1234@fuse.net> wrote in message
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It is Israel that compares to Nazi Germany.
And there I thought it was Israel defending itself against states which
vowed its destruction.
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28 May 2006 03:53:11 PM |
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And there I thought it was Israel defending itself against the Arabs
they stole all that land from when the Israelis invaded from Europe.
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| User: "HoneyBadger scotnormanviking.net" |
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29 May 2006 05:39:58 AM |
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And there I thought it was Israel defending itself against the Arabs
they stole all that land from when the Israelis invaded from Europe.
I assume you cut the content because you found it loathsome?
Never let the facts intrude into your daydream eh?
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27 May 2006 10:54:22 PM |
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Take the fake 'Jew badges in Iran' story and project it into the future
into what was 'supposed to happen.'
What was supposed to happen was like when Winston Churchill invented
the Nazi Gas Chambers story to influence America into a war, as a
lesser of two evils (Did I just say WW2 did not happen at all? Did I
just say that many Jews did not die for reasons caused by Germans being
bad people? No I did not. So spare the heretic fallacies please).
The fake Jew badges in Iran was a LIE designed to PUSH AMERICA into a
war for the interests of Israel. In this war, costing what? a trillion
of OUR DOLLARS? killing what? 200,000? a million Persian civilians? Not
counting God knows how many dying of cancer from DPU rounds and Cheney
nukes (that madness is another horror story).
America loses a vast treasure.
A vast number of innocent peasants murdered.
Iran's government overthrown and replaced by a puppet state TOTALLY
subservient to Zionism/Israel. Everything in the country infested with
American/Israeli spy gear. Every phone system. Every power system.
Every government building.
Only, the evil goes on.
For years and years to come, would be the FAKE TRIALS, for "Holohoax
Denial" every Iranian coming forward to say the 'Jew badges in Iran
story' was a total fictional lie, would be given a FAKE TRIAL, found
guilty, and executed or imprisoned.
Key to this, is that the Zionists know IN ADVANCE in intricate detail
all these things come to pass. Deliberate murder. Deliberate betrayal
of America. Deliberate raping of both America and Iran. Deliberate fake
trials for thought crime because people knew it was a lie for
generations to come.
In total, that story, the act of making it up, the act of knowing it
was fake, and using their HYPER SUPER POWERFUL zionist media engine to
lie to everyone, lie to everyone, shoving this lie in everyone's face.
and as DID HAPPEN. this is critical too. This DID HAPPEN. When that
story came out, and many people 1st came forward and called it a lie,
what did ALL ALL ALL ALL the Israel-1st traitor American's do? They
charged in foaming at the mouth with militant Zionism, calling all
fellow Americans who told the truth "ANTISEMITES! HOLOCAUST DENIARS!"
truly exposing that know well-documented heretic fallacy. "Worship
Israel as its slave, or we use TERRORISM of lying that you are an
antisemite holocaust deniar to ruin your life."
Truly, that story was not only a profound act of evil proof of what
Zionism is, it is also proof that what people have been told for years
is also true.
When you hear another person being called an antisemite, there is only
one thing to think. "What CRIME did Israel get CAUGHT RED HANDED doing
now, that they are lying that someone is an antisemite to COVER IT UP?"
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27 May 2006 10:35:20 AM |
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HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
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27 May 2006 10:39:07 AM |
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"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
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HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
That was Stephen Horgman, Ladies and Gentlemen, once more reaffirming his
willingness to defend "Israel" to the last drop of British blood !
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| User: "halle" |
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27 May 2006 11:14:42 AM |
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Chris X <chris_x2006@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148744120.657030.279860@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi
Germany suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda
campaign meant to drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the
region, may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other
nations. The US administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert
this through diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty
unpleasant, oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every
important respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most
Iranians see none of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to
the US. It is absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict
would place any and all US civilian and military assets in the
region at grave risk. The US government is stepping up to its
responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above
want them to do nothing at all.
That was Stephen Horgman, Ladies and Gentlemen, once more reaffirming
his willingness to defend "Israel" to the last drop of British blood !
What would you know about British Blood Abdul...
Ta ta...
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| User: "Stephen Horgan" |
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27 May 2006 11:30:36 AM |
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Chris X wrote:
"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148744120.657030.279860@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
That was Stephen Horgman, Ladies and Gentlemen, once more reaffirming his
willingness to defend "Israel" to the last drop of British blood !
The problem here is that Israel will defend itself and cause a wider
conflict. Of course as long as no-one sets foot on the quay at Dover
'nationalists' don't care about that.
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| User: "Chris X" |
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| Title: Re: Bogus: Iran's Badges for Jews and Christians |
27 May 2006 01:01:37 PM |
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"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148747436.757295.282980@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Chris X wrote:
"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148744120.657030.279860@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant
to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
That was Stephen Horgman, Ladies and Gentlemen, once more reaffirming his
willingness to defend "Israel" to the last drop of British blood !
The problem here is that Israel will defend itself and cause a wider
conflict.
One which will lead to its well-deserved destruction. And all nationalists
in Europe and Asia will cheer :)
Of course as long as no-one sets foot on the quay at Dover
'nationalists' don't care about that.
As long as no "Israelis" set foot on the quay at Dover, we'll certainly be
happy :)
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Bogus: Iran's Badges for Jews and Christians |
27 May 2006 05:43:04 PM |
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Chris X wrote:
"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148747436.757295.282980@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Chris X wrote:
"Stephen Horgan" <stephen@horgan.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1148744120.657030.279860@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign
meant >> to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any
and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
That was Stephen Horgman, Ladies and Gentlemen, once more reaffirming
his
willingness to defend "Israel" to the last drop of British blood !
The problem here is that Israel will defend itself and cause a wider
conflict.
One which will lead to its well-deserved destruction. And all
nationalists in Europe and Asia will cheer :)
And the Americas, Chris. Don't leave us out!
:-)
Of course as long as no-one sets foot on the quay at Dover
'nationalists' don't care about that.
As long as no "Israelis" set foot on the quay at Dover, we'll certainly
be happy :)
The US should consider sending the jooz from New York, Miami and Chicago
to their "JooIsh State" before the balloon goes up. The fewer
crypto-ZioNazis here the better.
;D
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| User: "Stephen Glynn" |
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| Title: Re: Bogus: Iran's Badges for Jews and Christians |
27 May 2006 08:42:11 PM |
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Stephen Horgan wrote:
HoneyBadger wrote:
Seems that yet another attempt was made to get people steamed
up for war against Iran. Who is wagging this dog?
Another failed attempt by the neocons to compare Iran to Nazi Germany
suggests the public won't stand for another propaganda campaign meant to
drum up war fever.
If Iran even looks like acquiring nuclear weapons capability then the
Israelis will strike. Such a conflict would cause chaos in the region,
may involve a nuclear exchange, and may drag in other nations. The US
administration is, quite sensibly, trying to avert this through
diplomacy. As for the Iranian regime: it is pretty unpleasant,
oppressive and it has failed its people it almost every important
respect. Only oil money keeps it afloat, though most Iranians see none
of that. More importantly, it is deeply hostile to the US. It is
absolutely certain that an Iranian/Israeli conflict would place any and
all US civilian and military assets in the region at grave risk.
The US government is stepping up to its responsibilities to both its
citizens and to world peace. Meanwhile idiots like the chap above want
them to do nothing at all.
Interesting sidelight on this from Baghdad Burning, an occasional blog
by a young Iraqi woman; she wrote a piece earlier this month concluding
'The big question is- what will the US do about Iran? There are the
hints of the possibility of bombings, etc. While I hate the Iranian
government, the people don’t deserve the chaos and damage of air strikes
and war. I don’t really worry about that though, because if you live in
Iraq- you know America’s hands are tied. Just as soon as Washington
makes a move against Tehran, American troops inside Iraq will come under
attack. It’s that simple- Washington has big guns and planes… But Iran
has 150,000 American hostages.'
http://www.riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#114651778124834749
http://tinyurl.com/jwwup
This is a point of view shared by Dilip Hiro in The Sunday Telegraph
recently; there he wrote:
'They could do immense damage to America. The US and British troops in
next door Iraq would be an easy target. Iraq's Sunnis make up about one
fifth of the population and have caused mayhem in the country: Shias,
though, make up three-fifths of Iraq's population. Most of them feel a
greater loyalty to their sect than to any administration in Iraq
installed under America's protection. One shudders to think what they
would do if they felt that because America was at war with Iran, they
should go to war with America.'
http://tinyurl.com/mpd6k
Steve
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When I am the Evil Overlord...
When my guards split up to search for intruders, they will always travel
in groups of at least two. They will be trained so that if one of them
disappears mysteriously while on patrol, the other will immediately
initiate an alert and call for backup, instead of quizzically peering
around a corner.
This Evil Overlord List is Copyright 1996-1997 by Peter Anspach.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: Bogus: Iran's Badges for Jews and Christians |
27 May 2006 07:59:20 PM |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 09:22:32 -0400, HoneyBadger <scotnormanviking.net>
wrote, quoted or indirectly quoted someone who said :
"Dangerous Parallel: Is Iran turning into the new Nazi Germany? Share your
opinion online at nationalpost.com."
Nazi Germany invaded countries on false pretexts. Iran is not doing
that. The USA is.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
http://mindprod.com Java custom programming, consulting and coaching.
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