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User: "---= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =---"
Date: 23 Apr 2004 03:29:38 PM
Object: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army
As you can see, Bu$h's plan is an utter failure. Not only have his claims of
improving Iraq been quashed, but so have his claims for starting the war in
the first place. Bu$h has grown so desperate that he has turned to the people
he once branded "terrorists" and "murderous thugs", the very people he said
we had to fight against!
Bu$h has no credibility left whatsoever. Go ahead, someone come up with an
excuse for this one...
Former generals of Saddams regime reinstated to new US-trained army
By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad
The Independent, UK
Iraqi generals who fought for Saddam Hussein are being reinstated to
strengthen the new US-trained Iraqi army half of whose soldiers mutinied or
went home during fighting earlier this month.
More than half a dozen generals from the old Iraqi army, dissolved by the US-
led Coalition last May, have already been given jobs say American officials
according to the US press. Former members of the Baath party will also be
employed in the government.
The abrupt reversal of previous policy comes as a senior US general admitted
that 10 per cent of the Iraqi security services actually changed sides during
recent fighting and another 40 per cent went home.
It was known that one Iraqi battalion had refused to fight against fellow
Iraqis in Fallujah and police and paramilitary units walked off the job
earlier in April. But Maj Gen Mark Dempsey, the commander of the 1st Armoured
Division based in Baghdad, said that the disintegration of the security
services went much further than previously admitted.
Gen Dempsey said: About 40 per cent walked off the job because they were
intimidated. And about 10 per cent actually worked against us. He added that
the mutineers were infiltrators. The setback for the US is very significant
because over the last nine months building up Iraqi security forces to
replace US troops has been a central and much-publicised plank in US policy
in Iraq.
Gen Dempsey took comfort from the fact that about 50 per cent of the security
services that we've built up over the last year stood tall and stood firm.
Paul Bremer, the US viceroy in Iraq, is reversing the policy under which the
350,000-strongÊ Iraqi army was dissolved and 750,000 members of the Baath
party were either sacked from their jobs or found it difficult to gain
employment. It is widely admitted among US officials that the disbandment of
the army and de-Baathification were disastrous decisions helping to fuel the
insurgency among Sunni Arabs, only a fifth of all Iraqis but the foundation
of Saddam Hussein's regime.
Among those to regain their jobs will be 11,000 teachers and hundreds of
university professors who were former Baath party members. Membership of the
Baath was a requirement under Saddam Hussein for most government posts.
In a Sunni Arab town like Hawijah in western Kirkuk province the local mayor
complained last year that he might have to close the local hospital because
so many of the doctors were Baathists and, under de-Baathication, had to be
dismissed.
The headmaster of a big local boys school was forced to resign but his
successor, a Turkoman, was too frightened to take up his job. Boys at the
school planned to burn it down and were only dissuaded by the former Baathist
headmaster.
Members of the top four ranks of the Baath were to be dismissed under a
campaign against Baathism led by Ahmed Chalabi, the chairman of Iraqi
Governing Council's committee on de-Baathification.
The Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and Washington were clearly
alarmed at the degree of alienation of Sunni and Shia Arabs, 80 per cent of
the population, earlier this month. Allowing the Baath party members to get
top jobs is aimed at conciliating the Sunni Arab community.
But the central problem of the CPA remains the lack of legitimacy and popular
support for the Iraqi Governing Council or any of the institutions of the
Iraqi state. This means that Iraqis who cooperate with them, including
generals who rejoin the army, risk being seen as collaborators. Even Iraqi
journalists who are shown on television asking questions at Coalition press
conferences in Baghdad have received death threats.
Meanwhile a US spokesman said yesterday in Baghdad that the ceasefire in
Fallujah would last a matter of days rather than weeks unless the insurgents
handed over their heavy weapons. The US army showed, with some disgust,
pictures of the rusting rockets and mortars and elderly machine guns that
head been handed in the US Marines surrounding the city so far.
Some 36 Iraqis were killed during fighting in Fallujah according to the US.
The US military say they want to see a whole field full of weapons such as
heavy machine guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers. But it is not
clear how the civilian leaders of Fallujah can persuade all of the guerrillas
to give up their weapons.
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Title: Re: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army 23 Apr 2004 06:03:50 PM
"---= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =---" <abuse@anarchy.gov> wrote in message
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As you can see, Bu$h's plan is an utter failure. Not only have his claims

of

improving Iraq been quashed, but so have his claims for starting the war

in

the first place. Bu$h has grown so desperate that he has turned to the

people

he once branded "terrorists" and "murderous thugs", the very people he

said

we had to fight against!

Bu$h has no credibility left whatsoever. Go ahead, someone come up with an
excuse for this one...

Former generals of Saddams regime reinstated to new US-trained army
By Patrick Cockburn in Baghdad
The Independent, UK

Iraqi generals who fought for Saddam Hussein are being reinstated to
strengthen the new US-trained Iraqi army half of whose soldiers mutinied

or

went home during fighting earlier this month.

More than half a dozen generals from the old Iraqi army, dissolved by the

US-

led Coalition last May, have already been given jobs say American

officials

according to the US press. Former members of the Baath party will also be
employed in the government.

The abrupt reversal of previous policy comes as a senior US general

admitted

that 10 per cent of the Iraqi security services actually changed sides

during

recent fighting and another 40 per cent went home.

It was known that one Iraqi battalion had refused to fight against fellow
Iraqis in Fallujah and police and paramilitary units walked off the job
earlier in April. But Maj Gen Mark Dempsey, the commander of the 1st

Armoured

Division based in Baghdad, said that the disintegration of the security
services went much further than previously admitted.

Gen Dempsey said: About 40 per cent walked off the job because they were
intimidated. And about 10 per cent actually worked against us. He added

that

the mutineers were infiltrators. The setback for the US is very

significant

because over the last nine months building up Iraqi security forces to
replace US troops has been a central and much-publicised plank in US

policy

in Iraq.

Gen Dempsey took comfort from the fact that about 50 per cent of the

security

services that we've built up over the last year stood tall and stood firm.

Paul Bremer, the US viceroy in Iraq, is reversing the policy under which

the

350,000-strongÊ Iraqi army was dissolved and 750,000 members of the Baath
party were either sacked from their jobs or found it difficult to gain
employment. It is widely admitted among US officials that the disbandment

of

the army and de-Baathification were disastrous decisions helping to fuel

the

insurgency among Sunni Arabs, only a fifth of all Iraqis but the

foundation

of Saddam Hussein's regime.

Among those to regain their jobs will be 11,000 teachers and hundreds of
university professors who were former Baath party members. Membership of

the

Baath was a requirement under Saddam Hussein for most government posts.

In a Sunni Arab town like Hawijah in western Kirkuk province the local

mayor

complained last year that he might have to close the local hospital

because

so many of the doctors were Baathists and, under de-Baathication, had to

be

dismissed.

The headmaster of a big local boys school was forced to resign but his
successor, a Turkoman, was too frightened to take up his job. Boys at the
school planned to burn it down and were only dissuaded by the former

Baathist

headmaster.

Members of the top four ranks of the Baath were to be dismissed under a
campaign against Baathism led by Ahmed Chalabi, the chairman of Iraqi
Governing Council's committee on de-Baathification.

The Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq and Washington were clearly
alarmed at the degree of alienation of Sunni and Shia Arabs, 80 per cent

of

the population, earlier this month. Allowing the Baath party members to

get

top jobs is aimed at conciliating the Sunni Arab community.

But the central problem of the CPA remains the lack of legitimacy and

popular

support for the Iraqi Governing Council or any of the institutions of the
Iraqi state. This means that Iraqis who cooperate with them, including
generals who rejoin the army, risk being seen as collaborators. Even Iraqi
journalists who are shown on television asking questions at Coalition

press

conferences in Baghdad have received death threats.

Meanwhile a US spokesman said yesterday in Baghdad that the ceasefire in
Fallujah would last a matter of days rather than weeks unless the

insurgents

handed over their heavy weapons. The US army showed, with some disgust,
pictures of the rusting rockets and mortars and elderly machine guns that
head been handed in the US Marines surrounding the city so far.

Some 36 Iraqis were killed during fighting in Fallujah according to the

US.

The US military say they want to see a whole field full of weapons such as
heavy machine guns and rocket propelled grenade launchers. But it is not
clear how the civilian leaders of Fallujah can persuade all of the

guerrillas

to give up their weapons.

This is rather confusing. Aren't the Baathist the ones that filled the mass
graves that the Repugs are using as the excuse of the month for going to
Iraq. Pretty disturbing. Bush has realized that he has no idea how to
control the Iraqi's so he'll bring fear back by enlisting the Baathist. This
is backfiring big time.




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User: "---= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =---"

Title: Re: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army 23 Apr 2004 11:37:01 PM
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, "The Dude"
<TheDude@verizon.net> wrote:

This is rather confusing. Aren't the Baathist the ones that filled the
mass graves that the Repugs are using as the excuse of the month for
going to Iraq. Pretty disturbing. Bush has realized that he has no idea
how to control the Iraqi's so he'll bring fear back by enlisting the
Baathist. This is backfiring big time.

I dunno, but doing this goes against all of Bu$h's earlier claims. He's
basically admitting his plan didn't work. They've got to be really desperate
to have done this.
Yep, this is definitely going to backfire on Bu$h. But look at his earlier
record, everything seems to be a case of blowback with him, things his daddy
started (aka Mujahedeen, Iraq's WMD). Bu$h has been cleaning up his daddy's
messes all this time.
Btw, yes I know Reagan was considered president at the time, but believe me,
Bu$h Sr. is on his fourth term right now, as the "shadow president".
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User: "scoopdamedia"

Title: Re: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army 24 Apr 2004 08:53:17 PM
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, "The Dude"
<TheDude@verizon.net> wrote:

This is rather confusing. Aren't the Baathist the ones that filled the
mass graves that the Repugs are using as the excuse of the month for
going to Iraq. Pretty disturbing. Bush has realized that he has no idea
how to control the Iraqi's so he'll bring fear back by enlisting the
Baathist. This is backfiring big time.


I dunno, but doing this goes against all of Bu$h's earlier claims. He's
basically admitting his plan didn't work. They've got to be really

desperate

to have done this.

Yep, this is definitely going to backfire on Bu$h. But look at his earlier
record, everything seems to be a case of blowback with him, things his

daddy

started (aka Mujahedeen, Iraq's WMD). Bu$h has been cleaning up his

daddy's

messes all this time.

Btw, yes I know Reagan was considered president at the time, but believe

me,

Bu$h Sr. is on his fourth term right now, as the "shadow president".

I always new Reagan was senile, but never figured that stupid George Bush
senior had the gall to take over the President job in Reagan's "absence".
BTW: You forgot Haiti.


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User: "InsuranceBroker"

Title: Re: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army 24 Apr 2004 05:50:41 AM

Subject: Re: Bu$h Desperate: Former Saddam Generals Reinstated into Iraq Army
From: "---= Ö§âmâ ßíñ Këñ0ßí =---"


Date: 4/24/2004 12:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time
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A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away, "The Dude"
<TheDude@verizon.net> wrote:

This is rather confusing. Aren't the Baathist the ones that filled the
mass graves that the Repugs are using as the excuse of the month for
going to Iraq. Pretty disturbing. Bush has realized that he has no idea
how to control the Iraqi's so he'll bring fear back by enlisting the
Baathist. This is backfiring big time.


I dunno, but doing this goes against all of Bu$h's earlier claims. He's
basically admitting his plan didn't work. They've got to be really desperate
to have done this.

Yep, this is definitely going to backfire on Bu$h. But look at his earlier
record, everything seems to be a case of blowback with him, things his daddy
started (aka Mujahedeen, Iraq's WMD). Bu$h has been cleaning up his daddy's
messes all this time.

On June 30 bush in an attempt to save a little face on Iraq will turn the
country back to Saddam. In his prepared speech bush will state that it was all
a mistake and Saddam did not have WMD so bush will state "Sorry".


Btw, yes I know Reagan was considered president at the time, but believe me,
Bu$h Sr. is on his fourth term right now, as the "shadow president".


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