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"Harry Hope" |
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02 May 2005 08:50:34 PM |
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Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
Let's just get back to the issue of terrorism for a moment.
Here's Our Great Leader invoking his favorite subject: 9/11.
BUSH:
One of my - I've said this before to you, I'm going to say it again,
one of my concerns after September the 11th is the farther away we got
from September the 11th, the more relaxed we would all become and
assume that there wasn't an enemy out there ready to hit us. And I
just can't let the American people - I'm not going to let them down by
assuming that the enemy is not going to hit us again. We're going to
do everything we can to protect us.
Great - but it really would have been cool if Bush could have had this
attitude before 9/11.
According to Newsweek, newly released documents reveal that "a
convicted terrorist was providing U.S. officials with very specific
information about a terrorist attack three months before 9/11."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7658468/site/newsweek
Yup - it's yet more proof that the administration had plenty of
warnings about an Al Qaeda attack on U.S. soil and failed to do
anything about them.
Still, at least Bush took bold action after 9/11 to capture the person
responsible - Saddam Hussein.
Wait a second, that's not right.
Where's Osama bin Laden again?
You may well ask - secret British documents released last week show
that instead of hunting for bin Laden, Bush was busy gearing up for
war in Iraq.
According to the UK Independent the minutes of a meeting between Tony
Blair and his closest aides reveal that back in July of 2002, "the
head of British intelligence reported that President Bush had firmly
made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding
that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'"
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=634702
Oh.
My.
God.
From The Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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| User: "Tempest" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
02 May 2005 09:12:41 PM |
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The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
Harry Hope wrote:
Let's just get back to the issue of terrorism for a moment.
Here's Our Great Leader invoking his favorite subject: 9/11.
BUSH:
One of my - I've said this before to you, I'm going to say it again,
one of my concerns after September the 11th is the farther away we got
from September the 11th, the more relaxed we would all become and
assume that there wasn't an enemy out there ready to hit us. And I
just can't let the American people - I'm not going to let them down by
assuming that the enemy is not going to hit us again. We're going to
do everything we can to protect us.
Great - but it really would have been cool if Bush could have had this
attitude before 9/11.
According to Newsweek, newly released documents reveal that "a
convicted terrorist was providing U.S. officials with very specific
information about a terrorist attack three months before 9/11."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7658468/site/newsweek
Yup - it's yet more proof that the administration had plenty of
warnings about an Al Qaeda attack on U.S. soil and failed to do
anything about them.
Still, at least Bush took bold action after 9/11 to capture the person
responsible - Saddam Hussein.
Wait a second, that's not right.
Where's Osama bin Laden again?
You may well ask - secret British documents released last week show
that instead of hunting for bin Laden, Bush was busy gearing up for
war in Iraq.
According to the UK Independent the minutes of a meeting between Tony
Blair and his closest aides reveal that back in July of 2002, "the
head of British intelligence reported that President Bush had firmly
made up his mind to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein, adding
that 'the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.'"
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/story.jsp?story=634702
Oh.
My.
God.
From The Democratic Underground
http://www.democraticunderground.com/
Harry
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Bishop The" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
02 May 2005 09:21:26 PM |
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On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
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| User: "Tempest" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
02 May 2005 09:43:18 PM |
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Bishop wrote:
On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
--
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Bishop The" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
02 May 2005 09:55:45 PM |
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On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
04 May 2005 12:08:41 AM |
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Bishop wrote:
On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
Yes, they were.
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3080244/default.htm
...
In Iraq, six months ago, the war began with shock and awe. Vice President *****
Cheney appeared on MEET THE PRESS:
(Videotape, March 16):
VICE PRES. ***** CHENEY: My belief is we will, in fact, be greeted as liberators.
(End videotape)
Hasn't quite turned out that way...around 1600 dead, thousands maimed and wounded,
unnecessary wear and tear on our assets.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
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| User: "Chris Dalland" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
04 May 2005 03:50:25 PM |
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The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Reading this, I am very much reminded of a certain Mel Gibson movie
(which I found rather entertaining, by the way) by the name of
Conspiracy Theory.... about a brainwashed ex-government assassin who
found ways to make everything around him seem like a plot.
Your idea makes for a really good story, and I'm sure you can stack it
chock full of suspensful action and character development, but it still
remains fiction until you find any evidence (facts, not Michael Moore
"realities") to back it up.
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
05 May 2005 01:05:50 AM |
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"Chris Dalland" <cdalland@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lAaee.44229$5f.20774@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Reading this, I am very much reminded of a certain Mel Gibson movie (which
I found rather entertaining, by the way) by the name of Conspiracy
Theory.... about a brainwashed ex-government assassin who found ways to
make everything around him seem like a plot.
Your idea makes for a really good story, and I'm sure you can stack it
chock full of suspensful action and character development, but it still
remains fiction until you find any evidence (facts, not Michael Moore
"realities") to back it up.
just because you are ignorant, doesn't mean we are:
"rebuilding america's defenses", the PNAC report which says :
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
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| User: "Chris Dalland" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
05 May 2005 09:49:25 PM |
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Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Chris Dalland" <cdalland@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lAaee.44229$5f.20774@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Reading this, I am very much reminded of a certain Mel Gibson movie (which
I found rather entertaining, by the way) by the name of Conspiracy
Theory.... about a brainwashed ex-government assassin who found ways to
make everything around him seem like a plot.
Your idea makes for a really good story, and I'm sure you can stack it
chock full of suspensful action and character development, but it still
remains fiction until you find any evidence (facts, not Michael Moore
"realities") to back it up.
just because you are ignorant, doesn't mean we are:
"rebuilding america's defenses", the PNAC report which says :
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Hey, being ignorant simply means that there is something I don't know,
which obviously I didn't since I hadn't read that report. On the other
hand, though, I'd rather be ignorant than stupid, since neither the
quote nor the article referenced has ANYTHING TO DO with showing Bush or
any neo-cons planned what you are claiming.
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
05 May 2005 11:23:59 PM |
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"Chris Dalland" <cdalland@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:VWAee.702$IO.195@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Chance Hopkins wrote:
"Chris Dalland" <cdalland@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:lAaee.44229$5f.20774@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Reading this, I am very much reminded of a certain Mel Gibson movie
(which I found rather entertaining, by the way) by the name of Conspiracy
Theory.... about a brainwashed ex-government assassin who found ways to
make everything around him seem like a plot.
Your idea makes for a really good story, and I'm sure you can stack it
chock full of suspensful action and character development, but it still
remains fiction until you find any evidence (facts, not Michael Moore
"realities") to back it up.
just because you are ignorant, doesn't mean we are:
"rebuilding america's defenses", the PNAC report which says :
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor."
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Hey, being ignorant simply means that there is something I don't know,
which obviously I didn't since I hadn't read that report. On the other
hand, though, I'd rather be ignorant than stupid, since neither the quote
nor the article referenced has ANYTHING TO DO with showing Bush or any
neo-cons planned what you are claiming.
Is it hard to get through life with your head so far up your *****? This
ENTIRE war was planned out YEARS before it happened.
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| User: "Chris Dalland" |
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06 May 2005 10:08:07 PM |
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Hey, being ignorant simply means that there is something I don't know,
which obviously I didn't since I hadn't read that report. On the other
hand, though, I'd rather be ignorant than stupid, since neither the quote
nor the article referenced has ANYTHING TO DO with showing Bush or any
neo-cons planned what you are claiming.
Is it hard to get through life with your head so far up your *****?
It's difficult (and futile) to try to argue with you if you're just
going to resort to kindergarden arguments, but I'll try one last time
This
ENTIRE war was planned out YEARS before it happened.
Yeah, we all heard you the first time. Trouble is, you still haven't
given us any reasoning for your fantasy having any bearing in reality.
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| User: "Chance Hopkins" |
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| Title: Re: Bush and Blair planned war 9 months before invasion |
07 May 2005 02:12:50 AM |
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"Chris Dalland" <cdalland@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:riWee.2658$IO.2595@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
This
ENTIRE war was planned out YEARS before it happened.
Yeah, we all heard you the first time. Trouble is, you still haven't
given us any reasoning for your fantasy having any bearing in reality.
Have you read this in it's entirety? It was written years before 9-11/iraq.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
How about this, it's new
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The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated
eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with
the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush
wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction
of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around
the policy."
Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...."
http://www.buzzflash.com/analysis/05/05/ana05013.html
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They where "being fixed" to fit into the plan above. We're all being lead
along like sheep.
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| User: "Tempest" |
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02 May 2005 10:52:41 PM |
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Bishop wrote:
On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
So explain why U.S. troops are getting killed every day in Iraq when
Bush said "mission accomplished" two years ago.
Explain why U.S. troops are bogged down in a quagmire of insurgency
thanks to the neo-con's inability to plan for it.
And then there's the matter of the 340 tons of high explosives missing
because RumsFAILed didn't have enough troops to protect the depots. The
same explosives which are killing U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians in car
bombings.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
The truth you continue to ignore.
You're either a fucking idiot, or lying. Either is despicable.
--
"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Bishop The" |
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03 May 2005 09:31:14 PM |
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On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
So explain why U.S. troops are getting killed every day in Iraq when
Bush said "mission accomplished" two years ago.
What a buttwipe. Tell us moron, what the effect would be if we left
immediately after removing Saddam?
Explain why U.S. troops are bogged down in a quagmire of insurgency
thanks to the neo-con's inability to plan for it.
and you knew it would happen - right backseat driver?
And then there's the matter of the 340 tons of high explosives missing
because RumsFAILed didn't have enough troops to protect the depots. The
same explosives which are killing U.S. troops and Iraqi civilians in car
bombings.
Wow. Your good. You should be over there directing things for all them
dummies - huh goober? Maybe even be a general.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
The truth you continue to ignore.
You're either a fucking idiot, or lying. Either is despicable.
and you are without a doubt a true moron.
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| User: "Marc Lowell" |
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04 May 2005 01:52:56 AM |
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On Tue, 03 May 2005 02:55:45 GMT, "Bishop" <The Bishop@OnTheBoard.Com>
wrote:
On 2-May-2005, Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
Do you mean the faux truth coming out of the White house and it's
propaganda machine Fox Faux News
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| User: "Bishop The" |
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04 May 2005 05:44:42 PM |
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On 4-May-2005, Marc Lowell <househistory@yahoo.com> wrote:
The neo-cons in Bush's administration planned it back in 1996.
Clinton was too smart to fall for thier lies, but Bush was the
perfect
patsy.
I thought you left-libbies said those in charge didn't plan enough
for the invasion. Which is it goobers??
They claimed it would be a cakewalk and planned accordingly, rightard.
They were caught with their pants down.
No they weren't.
And this was despite the fact that the generals were saying the
neo-cons
were going to FUBAR the war. Shinski was forced into retirement by
RumsFAILed because Shinski had the nerve to tell the truth.
What truth?
Do you mean the faux truth coming out of the White house and it's
propaganda machine Fox Faux News
Much more accurate than wacko left-loonies in this NG and their so-called
web sites.
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| User: "Marc Lowell" |
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10 May 2005 08:26:20 PM |
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On Wed, 04 May 2005 22:44:42 GMT, "Bishop" <The Bishop@OnTheBoard.Com>
wrote:
Much more accurate than wacko left-loonies in this NG and their so-called
web sites.
Try the Associated Press which doesn't regurgitate the Bush propaganda
to appease the Bush dictatorship.
Associated Press isn't a left loonie news media
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