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"TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit" |
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19 Sep 2004 03:58:28 PM |
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Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/26/census.poverty.ap/
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Healthcare costs on the rise
The government is about to release a study showing that the average American
requires $3,834 per year on personal healthcare services and that Americans
65 and older need more than $11,000 in medical services annually, according
to an administration memo obtained by The Hill.
The findings will come at a time when both presidential candidates are
calling for different types of legislation to restrain the cost of
healthcare spending.
The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) Office of the Actuary
study will show that children up to 18 years old consume the least amount of
healthcare services ($1,646 per person) and detail which entities pick up
most of the tab. For children, the primary payers are private health
insurance and Medicaid, while Medicare is the primary payer for older
Americans.
The study found that working-age adults (ages 19-64) spent an average of
$3,352 on personal healthcare services. Some employers have recently said
that they are cutting back on hiring because they cannot afford to pay for
healthcare benefits.
The agency will release an article with estimated healthcare spending broken
down
into seven age groups. The last time the agency conducted this type of
comprehensive study was in 1989, when it reported that the average consumer
needed $2,250 in healthcare services.
Bob Cusack and Klaus Marre
http://www.thehill.com/news/091604/healthcare.aspx
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During the last election cycle, while Frist headed the NRSC, the health care
industry increased its contributions to Republican candidates to just under
$ 4 million and became the largest industry contributor to the party.
"If you look at the money involved, it would be easy to say the medical
industry has bought itself a Senator and, now, a Senate," says Harleigh.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1470.shtml
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| User: "kw" |
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19 Sep 2004 04:09:32 PM |
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Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
In <1095627483.7Z63hW6vVgNHd1raSCTpdQ@teranews>,
NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov says...
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
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"I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now
he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree
with him, too. But I think he should be more careful."
--CBS 60 Minutes Commentator Andy Rooney on Larry King
Live, July 28, 2002
Give the Terrorists what they want---Elect Kerry
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| User: "soxfan" |
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19 Sep 2004 04:33:32 PM |
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"kw" <kw@kerry.purple.owies.for.paper.cuts.com> wrote in
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
not proven. actually a study in CA shows that costs actually
increased more after a law limiting malpractice claims was enacted.
Studies in Arkansas, Florida, New York and North Carolina concluded that
restrictions had had 'little effect' on insurance premiums.
http://www.amsa.org/hp/micra_CA.cfm
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| User: "A Brick in the Wall" |
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19 Sep 2004 05:39:37 PM |
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"kw" <kw@kerry.purple.owies.for.paper.cuts.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bb7b1826a419c6c98997d@news.charter.net...
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Prove that the "ambulance chasers" cost Americans more than the
non-negotiated prices for Medicare drugs.
Place it right here ---->
In <1095627483.7Z63hW6vVgNHd1raSCTpdQ@teranews>,
NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov says...
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4
million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
--
"I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now
he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree
with him, too. But I think he should be more careful."
--CBS 60 Minutes Commentator Andy Rooney on Larry King
Live, July 28, 2002
Give the Terrorists what they want---Elect Kerry
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| User: "TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 04:26:32 PM |
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"kw" <kw@kerry.purple.owies.for.paper.cuts.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bb7b1826a419c6c98997d@news.charter.net...
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
As they should if HMOs and some doctors are being incompetent and corrupt.
These costs are no doubt irrelevant compared to the profit being raked in by
corporations and individuals who are administering healthcare services.
Now tell us what Bush is doing to provide affordable healthcare for
everyone.
--
During the last election cycle, while Frist headed the NRSC, the health care
industry increased its contributions to Republican candidates to just under
$ 4 million and became the largest industry contributor to the party.
"If you look at the money involved, it would be easy to say the medical
industry has bought itself a Senator and, now, a Senate," says Harleigh.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1470.shtml
In <1095627483.7Z63hW6vVgNHd1raSCTpdQ@teranews>,
NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov says...
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4
million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
--
"I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now
he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree
with him, too. But I think he should be more careful."
--CBS 60 Minutes Commentator Andy Rooney on Larry King
Live, July 28, 2002
Give the Terrorists what they want---Elect Kerry
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| User: "A Brick in the Wall" |
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19 Sep 2004 05:44:32 PM |
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"TruthIsStrongerThanDeceit" <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote in message
news:1095629167.hvx+rVSoaWZDHU8nCyGx6w@teranews...
"kw" <kw@kerry.purple.owies.for.paper.cuts.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1bb7b1826a419c6c98997d@news.charter.net...
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
As they should if HMOs and some doctors are being incompetent and corrupt.
These costs are no doubt irrelevant compared to the profit being raked in
by
corporations and individuals who are administering healthcare services.
Now tell us what Bush is doing to provide affordable healthcare for
everyone.
After the person without health dies --- the cost goes down remarkably!
--
During the last election cycle, while Frist headed the NRSC, the health
care
industry increased its contributions to Republican candidates to just
under
$ 4 million and became the largest industry contributor to the party.
"If you look at the money involved, it would be easy to say the medical
industry has bought itself a Senator and, now, a Senate," says Harleigh.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1470.shtml
In <1095627483.7Z63hW6vVgNHd1raSCTpdQ@teranews>,
NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov says...
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4
million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
--
"I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now
he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree
with him, too. But I think he should be more careful."
--CBS 60 Minutes Commentator Andy Rooney on Larry King
Live, July 28, 2002
Give the Terrorists what they want---Elect Kerry
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| User: "GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 04:11:41 PM |
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kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
In <1095627483.7Z63hW6vVgNHd1raSCTpdQ@teranews>,
NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov says...
The number of Americans living in poverty increased by 1.3 million
last year (2003), while the ranks of the uninsured swelled by 1.4 million,
the Census Bureau reported Thursday (August 27, 2004).
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
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| User: "Mark McGilvray" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 04:27:39 PM |
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"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
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| User: "A Brick in the Wall" |
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19 Sep 2004 05:42:32 PM |
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"Mark McGilvray" <mcgilvra@surewest.net> wrote in message
news:10krudt9t0c15b8@corp.supernews.com...
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
Prove this wrong ---
Non-negotiated drugs for Medicare cost the US more than your "ambulance
chasers".
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| User: "GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" |
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19 Sep 2004 04:45:59 PM |
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Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony 'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
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| User: "Mark McGilvray" |
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19 Sep 2004 06:09:04 PM |
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"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Yes it does. Did you miss the section:
"Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor to Higher Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates"
"Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation."
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
If you want me to educate you, frankly, I haven't the time. Insurance rates
are directly linked to expected losses, moron. Wake up.
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here. I have often
thought that revoking the license of incompetent MDs made more sense than
insuring them. Tort reform is necessary. BTW it is not just HIS plan but the
same ***** the Dems are pushing and it is a bust no matter which side of the
isle is behind it. Get the fucking government out of the healthcare provider
business or costs will rise exponentially as services decrease equally.
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| User: "Mark McGilvray" |
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19 Sep 2004 06:17:32 PM |
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For some reason the post never showed up on my screen, but Chimpzilla
replied to it, and now I reposted it. Screw Microsoft and all ISPs.
"Mark McGilvray" <mcgilvra@surewest.net> wrote in message
news:10ks4c3gid82d11@corp.supernews.com...
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Yes it does. Did you miss the section:
"Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor to Higher Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates"
"Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation."
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
If you want me to educate you, frankly, I haven't the time. Insurance
rates
are directly linked to expected losses, moron. Wake up.
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to
Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here. I have
often
thought that revoking the license of incompetent MDs made more sense than
insuring them. Tort reform is necessary. BTW it is not just HIS plan but
the
same ***** the Dems are pushing and it is a bust no matter which side of
the
isle is behind it. Get the fucking government out of the healthcare
provider
business or costs will rise exponentially as services decrease equally.
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| User: "Mark McGilvray" |
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19 Sep 2004 05:15:55 PM |
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"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Yes it does. Did you miss the section:
"Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor to Higher Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates"
"Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation."
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
If you want me to educate you, frankly, I haven't the time. Insurance rates
are directly linked to expected losses, moron. Wake up.
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here. I have often
thought that revoking the license of incompetent MDs made more sense than
insuring them. Tort reform is necessary. BTW it is not just HIS plan but the
same ***** the Dems are pushing and it is a bust no matter which side of the
isle is behind it. Get the fucking government out of the healthcare provider
business or costs will rise exponentially as services decrease equally.
.
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| User: "soxfan" |
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20 Sep 2004 07:49:14 AM |
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"Mark McGilvray" <mcgilvra@surewest.net> wrote in message
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here.
not proven. actually a study in CA shows that costs actually
increased more after a law limiting malpractice claims was enacted.
Studies in Arkansas, Florida, New York and North Carolina concluded that
restrictions had had 'little effect' on insurance premiums.
http://www.amsa.org/hp/micra_CA.cfm
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| User: "Mark McGilvray" |
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20 Sep 2004 01:26:14 PM |
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"soxfan" <soxfan@SOXROCK.com> wrote in message
news:elA3d.9504$%42.526@trndny08...
"Mark McGilvray" <mcgilvra@surewest.net> wrote in message
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to
Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here.
not proven. actually a study in CA shows that costs actually
increased more after a law limiting malpractice claims was enacted.
Studies in Arkansas, Florida, New York and North Carolina concluded that
restrictions had had 'little effect' on insurance premiums.
http://www.amsa.org/hp/micra_CA.cfm
Yes, proven. http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Increased Losses on Claims
Are the Primary Contributor
to Higher Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates
Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation.
I already spoon fed the same information to some other idiot who is too lazy
to read. Who did your study, the Trial Lawyer's Association?
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| User: "soxfan" |
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20 Sep 2004 04:31:19 PM |
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"Mark McGilvray" <mcgilvra@surewest.net> wrote in message Yes, proven.
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor
to Higher Medical Malpractice Premium Rates
you post a link...... you should read the whole article first.
""multiple factors have contributed to the increases in medical malpractice
premium rates."" then it goes on to discuss the insurance industry......
and how decreased income from investments and such affects insurance rates.
"a lack of comprehensive data at the national and state levels on
insurers medical malpractice claims and the associated losses prevented us
from fully analyzing both the compostition and causes of those losses at the
insurer level" None of the insurers that we consulted regarding this
issue told us definitively how much the decreases in investment income had
increased premium rates.
so you see..... there are many causes of increased insurance rates.
you can not blame the entire mess on malpractice suits.
check out pages 26-28 of that pdf file..... *****....... read the
whole thing..... you conveniently picked out one little piece to make your
point without reading the entire article. and i know you didn't read the
article at the link i posted...... only because it differs from your own
stand.
I already spoon fed the same information to some other idiot who
is too lazy to read. Who did your study, the Trial Lawyer's Association?
yes well....... it appears you are the one who needs to be spoon
fed. the link you posted gives many, many reasons for increased insurance
costs. apparently you were too lazy to read the entire piece.
another moron studying at the CARB institute of ignorance. congrats on
your diploma..... you are an ignoramus emeritus.
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| User: "GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 06:02:24 PM |
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Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Yes it does. Did you miss the section:
"Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor to Higher Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates"
"Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation."
That says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
If you want me to educate you, frankly, I haven't the time. Insurance rates
are directly linked to expected losses, moron. Wake up.
Insurance rates are related more with the market forces of supply and demand
than anything else.
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here.
Oh yah. I know of Kaiser very well. I'm glad I'm not with them.
I have often
thought that revoking the license of incompetent MDs made more sense than
insuring them.
Me too. They need a three-strikes law for incompetent doctors.
Tort reform is necessary. BTW it is not just HIS plan but the
same ***** the Dems are pushing and it is a bust no matter which side of the
isle is behind it. Get the fucking government out of the healthcare provider
business or costs will rise exponentially as services decrease equally.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says, fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
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19 Sep 2004 06:28:21 PM |
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"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4eo3d.72052$MQ5.69079@attbi_s52...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in
message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs
in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Yes it does. Did you miss the section:
"Increased Losses on Claims Are the Primary Contributor to Higher
Medical
Malpractice Premium Rates"
"Like premium increases, annual paid losses and incurred losses for the
national medical malpractice insurance market began to rise more rapidly
beginning in 1998.23 After adjusting for inflation, we found that the
average
annual increase in paid losses from 1988 to 1997 was approximately 3.0
percent but that this rate rose to 8.2 percent from 1998 through 2001.
Inflation-adjusted incurred losses decreased by an average annual rate
of
3.7 percent from 1988 to 1997 but increased by 18.7 percent from 1998 to
2001. Figure 4 shows paid and incurred losses for the national medical
malpractice market from 1975 to 2001, adjusted for inflation."
That says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
You are hopeless. Lesser malpractice awards = lower premiums = lower
healthcare costs. Deny it al you want. The truth remains self evident. I am
not quite sure what your ideological block in accepting the fact is. Are all
HMOs evil and getting rich?
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
If you want me to educate you, frankly, I haven't the time. Insurance
rates
are directly linked to expected losses, moron. Wake up.
Insurance rates are related more with the market forces of supply and
demand
than anything else.
If the insurance underwriter wants to be in business more than a year or
two, it is linked DIRECTLY to the cost of overhead plus losses. Insurance is
not a commodity.
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan'
will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
I have no idea what is going on in Texas and Louisiana. I belong to
Kaiser,
a non profit HMO, in California, probably the most litigous state in the
nation - a situation that has driven up healthcare costs here.
Oh yah. I know of Kaiser very well. I'm glad I'm not with them.
You can have any level of medical care you want to pay for. Kaiser is OK. I
am not willing to pay the kind of rates it would take to substantially
upgrade the quality of care I get from them. Their main problem is that they
are a huge bureaucracy. The USG taking over healthcare would be many times
larger and worse.
I have often
thought that revoking the license of incompetent MDs made more sense
than
insuring them.
Me too. They need a three-strikes law for incompetent doctors.
Tort reform is necessary. BTW it is not just HIS plan but the
same ***** the Dems are pushing and it is a bust no matter which side of
the
isle is behind it. Get the fucking government out of the healthcare
provider
business or costs will rise exponentially as services decrease equally.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says,
fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
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| User: "Republickin Patriot" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 05:01:21 PM |
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only the rich shood have helth care in america
i hate poor peple and democraps
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:r6n3d.219841$Fg5.22666@attbi_s53...
Mark McGilvray wrote:
"GW *AWOL* Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d03702.pdf
Welcome to socialised medicine and a civil legal system that more
resembles
the lottery than law. Medical malpractice insurance typically costs in
excess of $100k per year for the three specialties analysed in the
study.
The ambulance chasers are a major component of the cost. Go read it,
Chumpzilla, surprise the group and make an informed comment for once.
This report says nothing about any reduction in healthcare costs
associated with
reduction in malpractice awards.
Do you have any data that associates a reduction in malpractice awards
with a
corresponding reduction in insurance premiums?
Texas and Louisiana have both limited malpractice awards, yet their
insurance
rates have continued to climb. Bush's ***** medical 'plan' is simply
another
giveaway to the insurance and HMO industries. Nothing in his 'plan' will
force
corresponding reductions in insurance premiums for doctors. His phony
'plan'
will limit only liability for bad doctors.
--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee -- I know it's in Texas -- that says,
fool
me once, shame on you. Fool me -- you can't get fooled again."
http://www.diymedia.net/audio/mp3/tdntb-bushwack2.mp3
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| User: "kw" |
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| Title: Re: Bush Healthcare Update: Healthcare costs on the rise |
19 Sep 2004 05:16:22 PM |
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In <hCm3d.71426$MQ5.36592@attbi_s52>, patriot-for-
cash@hotmail.com says...
kw wrote:
Of course you conveniently leave out the fact that
ambulance chasing lawyers like john edwards drive up the
cost of health care.
Cite?
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/2020/GiveMeABreak/GMAB_ed
wards_040723-1.html
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=%
5CPolitics%5Carchive%5C200401%5CPOL20040120a.html
--
"I think Dan [Rather] is transparently liberal. Now
he may not like to hear me say that. I always agree
with him, too. But I think he should be more careful."
--CBS 60 Minutes Commentator Andy Rooney on Larry King
Live, July 28, 2002
Give the Terrorists what they want---Elect Kerry
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