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User: "Black Elk"
Date: 17 Jul 2005 07:52:27 AM
Object: Bush/GOP/Rightwing policy has made the world a more dangerous and ugly place.
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The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier this
year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide
recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language proficiency
for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and for whom
political violence becomes an end in itself."
---
Study cites seeds of terror in Iraq
War radicalized most, probes find
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
July 17, 2005
WASHINGTON -- New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an
Israeli think tank -- both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds
and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United
States -- have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are
not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself.
The studies, which together constitute the most detailed picture available
of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President Bush's claim that those
responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the
opportunity to make Iraq the ''central front" in a battle against the United
States.
''The terrorists know that the outcome [in Iraq] will leave them emboldened
or defeated," Bush said in his nationally televised address on the war at
Fort Bragg in North Carolina last month. ''So they are waging a campaign of
murder and destruction." The US military is fighting the terrorists in Iraq,
he repeated this month, ''so we do not have to face them here at home."
However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to sneak
into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew
themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the calls from
clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land, according to a
study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained analyst who was
commissioned by the Saudi government and given access to Saudi officials and
intelligence.
A separate Israeli analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading
terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior Al Qaeda
operatives who are organizing the volunteers, ''the vast majority of
[non-Iraqi] Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist
activity prior to their arrival in Iraq."
''Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan,
Bosnia, or Chechnya," the Israeli study says. Out of the 154 fighters
analyzed, only a handful had past associations with terrorism, including six
who had fathers who fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, said the report,
compiled by the Global Research in International Affairs Center in Herzliya,
Israel.
American intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, and
terrorism specialists paint a similar portrait of the suicide bombers
wreaking havoc in Iraq: Prior to the Iraq war, they were not Islamic
extremists seeking to attack the United States, as Al Qaeda did four years
ago, but are part of a new generation of terrorists responding to calls to
defend their fellow Muslims from ''crusaders" and ''infidels."
''The president is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on terrorism,
but this is a front we created," said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist
at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a Washington think tank.
Foreign militants make up only a small percentage of the insurgents fighting
in Iraq, as little as 10 percent, according to US military and intelligence
officials. The top general in Iraq said late last month that about 600
foreign fighters have been captured or killed by coalition forces since the
Jan. 30 Iraqi elections. The wider insurgency, numbering in the tens of
thousands, is believed to consist of former Iraqi soldiers, Saddam Hussein
loyalists, and members of Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority.
But the impact of the foreign fighters has been enormous. They are blamed
for the almost daily suicide attacks against US and Iraqi forces and have
killed thousands of civilians, mostly members of Iraq's Shia Muslim
majority. Their exploits have been responsible for much of the
headline-grabbing carnage recently, contributing to the slide in American
public support for the war.
There have been nearly 500 car bombings since the US-led coalition handed
over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government one year ago, US military
statistics indicate. In the last two months, car bombs and suicide attacks
have killed nearly 1,400 people, according to the Associated Press.
Bush has cited foreign fighters as a reason for continued US military
operations in Iraq. His argument, repeated often, is that ''the world's
terrorists" have chosen to make their stand in Iraq.
''Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power,
but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a
central front in the war on terror," Bush said in a radio address last
month.
Foreign fighters were found to be like Saud Bin Muhammad Bin Saud Al-Fuhaid,
according to Obaid's research, to be published by the Center for Strategic
and International Studies in Washington this summer. Described as in his
early 20s, Fuhaid blew himself up March 24, three days after he entered Iraq
from Syria, according to newspaper accounts and interviews with his family.
Obaid found little evidence Fuhaid was an extremist before the 2003 invasion
of Iraq. Like many of the young men from Saudi Arabia who make up the
majority of the foreign fighters, the student at Imam University in western
Riyadh was not initially a radical jihadist, according to information
gleaned from Saudi newspaper accounts and intelligence operations. In fact,
he apparently almost changed his mind.
Fuhaid is believed to have traveled through Syria to fight in Iraq, but once
he arrived told his family he would be coming home instead, according to a
death notice published in Saudi newspapers and posted on the Internet.
''However, during that time he met some friends of his who were going to
Iraq and told him they were going to declare Jihad with their brothers in
Iraq," the celebratory announcement said. ''It was at that moment that our
martyr changed his mind and told them that he will go back to Iraq with them
and called his parents to tell him he won't be going home."
Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that ''the
largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV and are
reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a cousin on the
list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a responsibility to
go."
Other fighters, who are coming to Iraq from across the Middle East and North
Africa, are older, in their late 20s or 30s, and have families, according to
the two investigations. ''The vast majority of them had nothing to do with
Al Qaeda before Sept. 11th and have nothing to do with Al Qaeda today," said
Reuven Paz, author of the Israeli study. ''I am not sure the American public
is really aware of the enormous influence of the war in Iraq, not just on
Islamists but the entire Arab world."
Case studies of foreign fighters indicated they considered the Iraq war an
attack on the Muslim religion and Arab culture, Paz said.
For example, while the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were largely
condemned by clerics as violations of Muslim law, many religious leaders in
Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations have promulgated fatwas, or religious
edicts, saying that waging jihad in Iraq is justified by the Koran because
it is defensive in nature. Last October, 26 clerics in Saudi Arabia said it
was the duty of every Muslim to go and fight in Iraq.
''These are people who did not get training in Pakistan or Chechnya, [and
they] ended up going to Iraq because they considered defending Iraq a must
for every Muslim to go and fight," said Rita Katz, director of the Search
for International Terrorist Entities Institute in Washington and an Iraq
native.
One indication that a heightened degree of Arab solidarity is a leading
factor is that they are almost entirely Arabs and not Muslims from other
countries, such as those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan, Bosnia,
and Chechnya. Another motivation, the studies and analysts contend, is the
centuries-old struggle between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam. All the
foreign fighters are Sunnis, according to the analyses, and many of their
targets are Iraq's majority Shia Muslims, who have gained political power in
Baghdad for the first time in hundreds of years.
Ali Alyami, director of the Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi
Arabia, said he believes the deep-seated Sunni-Shia rift among the world's
1.2 billion Muslims -- about 1 billion of them Sunni -- best explains the
foreign-fighter phenomenon. He noted in an interview that US policy makers
do not seem to grasp the historic conflicts within Islam that are playing
out in the war in Iraq.
''To say we must fight them in Baghdad so we don't have to fight them in
Boston implies there is a finite number of people, and if you pen them up in
Iraq you can kill them all," said Bergen. ''The truth is we increased the
pool by what we did in Iraq."
Intelligence officials worry that some of ''Iraq alumni" will use the
relationships they build on the battlefields of Iraq and return to their
home countries as hardened Islamic terrorists.
The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier this
year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide
recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language proficiency
for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and for whom
political violence becomes an end in itself."
http://tinyurl.com/e2nd8
http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/07/17/study_cites_seeds_of_terror_in_iraq?mode=PF
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U.S. Report Finds Iraq Was Minimal Weapons Threat in '03
By DOUGLAS JEHL
WASHINGTON, Oct. 6 - Iraq had essentially destroyed its illicit weapons
capability within months after the Persian Gulf War ended in 1991, and its
capacity to produce such weapons had eroded even further by the time of the
American invasion in 2003, the top American inspector in Iraq said in a
report made public today.
http://tinyurl.com/3p3q9
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User: "Christian Williamson"

Title: Re: Bush/GOP/Rightwing policy has made the world a more dangerousand ugly place. 17 Jul 2005 07:59:25 AM
Black Elk wrote:

From the article:

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier this
year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide
recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language proficiency
for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and for whom
political violence becomes an end in itself."

Question: Since when has Black Elk taken the CIA's side on anything?
Only when if feeds your hate.
Answer: As long as it feeds his hatred for Bush. Otherwise, expect his
postings to cast aspersions about the CIA.


---

Study cites seeds of terror in Iraq

War radicalized most, probes find
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
July 17, 2005

WASHINGTON -- New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an
Israeli think tank -- both of which painstakingly analyzed the backgrounds
and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to fight the United
States -- have found that the vast majority of these foreign fighters are
not former terrorists and became radicalized by the war itself.

The studies, which together constitute the most detailed picture available
of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President Bush's claim that those
responsible for some of the worst violence are terrorists who seized on the
opportunity to make Iraq the ''central front" in a battle against the United
States.

''The terrorists know that the outcome [in Iraq] will leave them emboldened
or defeated," Bush said in his nationally televised address on the war at
Fort Bragg in North Carolina last month. ''So they are waging a campaign of
murder and destruction." The US military is fighting the terrorists in Iraq,
he repeated this month, ''so we do not have to face them here at home."

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to sneak
into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew
themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the calls from
clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land, according to a
study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained analyst who was
commissioned by the Saudi government and given access to Saudi officials and
intelligence.

A separate Israeli analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading
terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior Al Qaeda
operatives who are organizing the volunteers, ''the vast majority of
[non-Iraqi] Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any terrorist
activity prior to their arrival in Iraq."

''Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan,
Bosnia, or Chechnya," the Israeli study says. Out of the 154 fighters
analyzed, only a handful had past associations with terrorism, including six
who had fathers who fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, said the report,
compiled by the Global Research in International Affairs Center in Herzliya,
Israel.

American intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity, and
terrorism specialists paint a similar portrait of the suicide bombers
wreaking havoc in Iraq: Prior to the Iraq war, they were not Islamic
extremists seeking to attack the United States, as Al Qaeda did four years
ago, but are part of a new generation of terrorists responding to calls to
defend their fellow Muslims from ''crusaders" and ''infidels."

''The president is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on terrorism,
but this is a front we created," said Peter Bergen, a terrorism specialist
at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a Washington think tank.

Foreign militants make up only a small percentage of the insurgents fighting
in Iraq, as little as 10 percent, according to US military and intelligence
officials. The top general in Iraq said late last month that about 600
foreign fighters have been captured or killed by coalition forces since the
Jan. 30 Iraqi elections. The wider insurgency, numbering in the tens of
thousands, is believed to consist of former Iraqi soldiers, Saddam Hussein
loyalists, and members of Iraq's Sunni Muslim minority.

But the impact of the foreign fighters has been enormous. They are blamed
for the almost daily suicide attacks against US and Iraqi forces and have
killed thousands of civilians, mostly members of Iraq's Shia Muslim
majority. Their exploits have been responsible for much of the
headline-grabbing carnage recently, contributing to the slide in American
public support for the war.

There have been nearly 500 car bombings since the US-led coalition handed
over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government one year ago, US military
statistics indicate. In the last two months, car bombs and suicide attacks
have killed nearly 1,400 people, according to the Associated Press.

Bush has cited foreign fighters as a reason for continued US military
operations in Iraq. His argument, repeated often, is that ''the world's
terrorists" have chosen to make their stand in Iraq.

''Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power,
but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a
central front in the war on terror," Bush said in a radio address last
month.

Foreign fighters were found to be like Saud Bin Muhammad Bin Saud Al-Fuhaid,
according to Obaid's research, to be published by the Center for Strategic
and International Studies in Washington this summer. Described as in his
early 20s, Fuhaid blew himself up March 24, three days after he entered Iraq
from Syria, according to newspaper accounts and interviews with his family.

Obaid found little evidence Fuhaid was an extremist before the 2003 invasion
of Iraq. Like many of the young men from Saudi Arabia who make up the
majority of the foreign fighters, the student at Imam University in western
Riyadh was not initially a radical jihadist, according to information
gleaned from Saudi newspaper accounts and intelligence operations. In fact,
he apparently almost changed his mind.

Fuhaid is believed to have traveled through Syria to fight in Iraq, but once
he arrived told his family he would be coming home instead, according to a
death notice published in Saudi newspapers and posted on the Internet.
''However, during that time he met some friends of his who were going to
Iraq and told him they were going to declare Jihad with their brothers in
Iraq," the celebratory announcement said. ''It was at that moment that our
martyr changed his mind and told them that he will go back to Iraq with them
and called his parents to tell him he won't be going home."

Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that ''the
largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV and are
reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a cousin on the
list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a responsibility to
go."

Other fighters, who are coming to Iraq from across the Middle East and North
Africa, are older, in their late 20s or 30s, and have families, according to
the two investigations. ''The vast majority of them had nothing to do with
Al Qaeda before Sept. 11th and have nothing to do with Al Qaeda today," said
Reuven Paz, author of the Israeli study. ''I am not sure the American public
is really aware of the enormous influence of the war in Iraq, not just on
Islamists but the entire Arab world."

Case studies of foreign fighters indicated they considered the Iraq war an
attack on the Muslim religion and Arab culture, Paz said.

For example, while the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were largely
condemned by clerics as violations of Muslim law, many religious leaders in
Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations have promulgated fatwas, or religious
edicts, saying that waging jihad in Iraq is justified by the Koran because
it is defensive in nature. Last October, 26 clerics in Saudi Arabia said it
was the duty of every Muslim to go and fight in Iraq.

''These are people who did not get training in Pakistan or Chechnya, [and
they] ended up going to Iraq because they considered defending Iraq a must
for every Muslim to go and fight," said Rita Katz, director of the Search
for International Terrorist Entities Institute in Washington and an Iraq
native.

One indication that a heightened degree of Arab solidarity is a leading
factor is that they are almost entirely Arabs and not Muslims from other
countries, such as those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan, Bosnia,
and Chechnya. Another motivation, the studies and analysts contend, is the
centuries-old struggle between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam. All the
foreign fighters are Sunnis, according to the analyses, and many of their
targets are Iraq's majority Shia Muslims, who have gained political power in
Baghdad for the first time in hundreds of years.

Ali Alyami, director of the Center for Democracy and Human Rights in Saudi
Arabia, said he believes the deep-seated Sunni-Shia rift among the world's
1.2 billion Muslims -- about 1 billion of them Sunni -- best explains the
foreign-fighter phenomenon. He noted in an interview that US policy makers
do not seem to grasp the historic conflicts within Islam that are playing
out in the war in Iraq.

''To say we must fight them in Baghdad so we don't have to fight them in
Boston implies there is a finite number of people, and if you pen them up in
Iraq you can kill them all," said Bergen. ''The truth is we increased the
pool by what we did in Iraq."

Intelligence officials worry that some of ''Iraq alumni" will use the
relationships they build on the battlefields of Iraq and return to their
home countries as hardened Islamic terrorists.

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier this
year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could provide
recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language proficiency
for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and for whom
political violence becomes an end in itself."

http://tinyurl.com/e2nd8

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/07/17/study_cites_seeds_of_terror_in_iraq?mode=PF


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User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Bush/GOP/Rightwing policy has made the world a more dangerous and ugly place. 17 Jul 2005 08:04:22 AM
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:NCsCe.616$N91.1@trnddc08...

Black Elk wrote:

From the article:

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier
this year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could
provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language
proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and
for whom political violence becomes an end in itself."


Question: Since when has Black Elk taken the CIA's side on anything? Only
when if feeds your hate.

Answer: As long as it feeds his hatred for Bush. Otherwise, expect his
postings to cast aspersions about the CIA.

The CIA was correct when it resisted Cheney's lies and warned of the danger
of invading Iraq-- they've been proven correct.
Bush isn't the problem, he's like a white head on a pimple. The real problem
lies below the surface in the bacteria causing the infection.
--
fascism: a system of government that exercises a dictatorship of the extreme
right, TYPICALLY THROUGH THE MERGING OF STATE AND BUSINESS LEADERSHIP,
together with a belligerent nationalism.
The American Heritage Dictionary
copyright 1973




---

Study cites seeds of terror in Iraq

War radicalized most, probes find
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
July 17, 2005

WASHINGTON -- New investigations by the Saudi Arabian government and an
Israeli think tank -- both of which painstakingly analyzed the
backgrounds and motivations of hundreds of foreigners entering Iraq to
fight the United States -- have found that the vast majority of these
foreign fighters are not former terrorists and became radicalized by the
war itself.

The studies, which together constitute the most detailed picture
available of foreign fighters, cast serious doubt on President Bush's
claim that those responsible for some of the worst violence are
terrorists who seized on the opportunity to make Iraq the ''central
front" in a battle against the United States.

''The terrorists know that the outcome [in Iraq] will leave them
emboldened or defeated," Bush said in his nationally televised address on
the war at Fort Bragg in North Carolina last month. ''So they are waging
a campaign of murder and destruction." The US military is fighting the
terrorists in Iraq, he repeated this month, ''so we do not have to face
them here at home."

However, interrogations of nearly 300 Saudis captured while trying to
sneak into Iraq and case studies of more than three dozen others who blew
themselves up in suicide attacks show that most were heeding the calls
from clerics and activists to drive infidels out of Arab land, according
to a study by Saudi investigator Nawaf Obaid, a US-trained analyst who
was commissioned by the Saudi government and given access to Saudi
officials and intelligence.

A separate Israeli analysis of 154 foreign fighters compiled by a leading
terrorism researcher found that despite the presence of some senior Al
Qaeda operatives who are organizing the volunteers, ''the vast majority
of [non-Iraqi] Arabs killed in Iraq have never taken part in any
terrorist activity prior to their arrival in Iraq."

''Only a few were involved in past Islamic insurgencies in Afghanistan,
Bosnia, or Chechnya," the Israeli study says. Out of the 154 fighters
analyzed, only a handful had past associations with terrorism, including
six who had fathers who fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, said the
report, compiled by the Global Research in International Affairs Center
in Herzliya, Israel.

American intelligence officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity,
and terrorism specialists paint a similar portrait of the suicide bombers
wreaking havoc in Iraq: Prior to the Iraq war, they were not Islamic
extremists seeking to attack the United States, as Al Qaeda did four
years ago, but are part of a new generation of terrorists responding to
calls to defend their fellow Muslims from ''crusaders" and ''infidels."

''The president is right that Iraq is a main front in the war on
terrorism, but this is a front we created," said Peter Bergen, a
terrorism specialist at the nonpartisan New America Foundation, a
Washington think tank.

Foreign militants make up only a small percentage of the insurgents
fighting in Iraq, as little as 10 percent, according to US military and
intelligence officials. The top general in Iraq said late last month that
about 600 foreign fighters have been captured or killed by coalition
forces since the Jan. 30 Iraqi elections. The wider insurgency, numbering
in the tens of thousands, is believed to consist of former Iraqi
soldiers, Saddam Hussein loyalists, and members of Iraq's Sunni Muslim
minority.

But the impact of the foreign fighters has been enormous. They are blamed
for the almost daily suicide attacks against US and Iraqi forces and have
killed thousands of civilians, mostly members of Iraq's Shia Muslim
majority. Their exploits have been responsible for much of the
headline-grabbing carnage recently, contributing to the slide in American
public support for the war.

There have been nearly 500 car bombings since the US-led coalition handed
over sovereignty to an interim Iraqi government one year ago, US military
statistics indicate. In the last two months, car bombs and suicide
attacks have killed nearly 1,400 people, according to the Associated
Press.

Bush has cited foreign fighters as a reason for continued US military
operations in Iraq. His argument, repeated often, is that ''the world's
terrorists" have chosen to make their stand in Iraq.

''Some may disagree with my decision to remove Saddam Hussein from power,
but all of us can agree that the world's terrorists have now made Iraq a
central front in the war on terror," Bush said in a radio address last
month.

Foreign fighters were found to be like Saud Bin Muhammad Bin Saud
Al-Fuhaid, according to Obaid's research, to be published by the Center
for Strategic and International Studies in Washington this summer.
Described as in his early 20s, Fuhaid blew himself up March 24, three
days after he entered Iraq from Syria, according to newspaper accounts
and interviews with his family.

Obaid found little evidence Fuhaid was an extremist before the 2003
invasion of Iraq. Like many of the young men from Saudi Arabia who make
up the majority of the foreign fighters, the student at Imam University
in western Riyadh was not initially a radical jihadist, according to
information gleaned from Saudi newspaper accounts and intelligence
operations. In fact, he apparently almost changed his mind.

Fuhaid is believed to have traveled through Syria to fight in Iraq, but
once he arrived told his family he would be coming home instead,
according to a death notice published in Saudi newspapers and posted on
the Internet. ''However, during that time he met some friends of his who
were going to Iraq and told him they were going to declare Jihad with
their brothers in Iraq," the celebratory announcement said. ''It was at
that moment that our martyr changed his mind and told them that he will
go back to Iraq with them and called his parents to tell him he won't be
going home."

Obaid said in an interview from London that his Saudi study found that
''the largest group is young kids who saw the images [of the war] on TV
and are reading the stuff on the Internet. Or they see the name of a
cousin on the list or a guy who belongs to their tribe, and they feel a
responsibility to go."

Other fighters, who are coming to Iraq from across the Middle East and
North Africa, are older, in their late 20s or 30s, and have families,
according to the two investigations. ''The vast majority of them had
nothing to do with Al Qaeda before Sept. 11th and have nothing to do with
Al Qaeda today," said Reuven Paz, author of the Israeli study. ''I am not
sure the American public is really aware of the enormous influence of the
war in Iraq, not just on Islamists but the entire Arab world."

Case studies of foreign fighters indicated they considered the Iraq war
an attack on the Muslim religion and Arab culture, Paz said.

For example, while the unprovoked attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were largely
condemned by clerics as violations of Muslim law, many religious leaders
in Saudi Arabia and other Arab nations have promulgated fatwas, or
religious edicts, saying that waging jihad in Iraq is justified by the
Koran because it is defensive in nature. Last October, 26 clerics in
Saudi Arabia said it was the duty of every Muslim to go and fight in
Iraq.

''These are people who did not get training in Pakistan or Chechnya, [and
they] ended up going to Iraq because they considered defending Iraq a
must for every Muslim to go and fight," said Rita Katz, director of the
Search for International Terrorist Entities Institute in Washington and
an Iraq native.

One indication that a heightened degree of Arab solidarity is a leading
factor is that they are almost entirely Arabs and not Muslims from other
countries, such as those who volunteered to fight in Afghanistan, Bosnia,
and Chechnya. Another motivation, the studies and analysts contend, is
the centuries-old struggle between the Sunni and Shia branches of Islam.
All the foreign fighters are Sunnis, according to the analyses, and many
of their targets are Iraq's majority Shia Muslims, who have gained
political power in Baghdad for the first time in hundreds of years.

Ali Alyami, director of the Center for Democracy and Human Rights in
Saudi Arabia, said he believes the deep-seated Sunni-Shia rift among the
world's 1.2 billion Muslims -- about 1 billion of them Sunni -- best
explains the foreign-fighter phenomenon. He noted in an interview that US
policy makers do not seem to grasp the historic conflicts within Islam
that are playing out in the war in Iraq.

''To say we must fight them in Baghdad so we don't have to fight them in
Boston implies there is a finite number of people, and if you pen them up
in Iraq you can kill them all," said Bergen. ''The truth is we increased
the pool by what we did in Iraq."

Intelligence officials worry that some of ''Iraq alumni" will use the
relationships they build on the battlefields of Iraq and return to their
home countries as hardened Islamic terrorists.

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier
this year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could
provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language
proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and
for whom political violence becomes an end in itself."

http://tinyurl.com/e2nd8

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middleeast/articles/2005/07/17/study_cites_seeds_of_terror_in_iraq?mode=PF

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User: "Christian Williamson"

Title: Re: Bush/GOP/Rightwing policy has made the world a more dangerousand ugly place. 17 Jul 2005 08:08:07 AM
Black Elk wrote:

"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:NCsCe.616$N91.1@trnddc08...

Black Elk wrote:

From the article:

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier
this year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could
provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language
proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and
for whom political violence becomes an end in itself."


Question: Since when has Black Elk taken the CIA's side on anything? Only
when if feeds your hate.

Answer: As long as it feeds his hatred for Bush. Otherwise, expect his
postings to cast aspersions about the CIA.

Which CIA report are you referring to where they warned of invading
Iraq? And again, why are you in league with that despised agency? The
answer lies not in your good judgment but in your hatred of Bush.

The CIA was correct when it resisted Cheney's lies and warned of the danger
of invading Iraq-- they've been proven correct.

Bush isn't the problem, he's like a white head on a pimple. The real problem
lies below the surface in the bacteria causing the infection.

.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Bush/GOP/Rightwing policy has made the world a more dangerous and ugly place. 17 Jul 2005 08:19:45 AM
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Black Elk wrote:

"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:NCsCe.616$N91.1@trnddc08...

Black Elk wrote:

From the article:

The CIA's National Intelligence Council concluded in a report earlier
this year that ''Iraq and other possible conflicts in the future could
provide recruitment, training grounds, technical skills, and language
proficiency for a new class of terrorists who are 'professionalized' and
for whom political violence becomes an end in itself."


Question: Since when has Black Elk taken the CIA's side on anything? Only
when if feeds your hate.

Answer: As long as it feeds his hatred for Bush. Otherwise, expect his
postings to cast aspersions about the CIA.


Which CIA report are you referring to where they warned of invading Iraq?
And again, why are you in league with that despised agency? The answer
lies not in your good judgment but in your hatred of Bush.

Show me where I have "despised" the CIA. You're a charlatan hiding behind
Bush and your lies.
It's common knowledge that Cheney pressured the CIA to cook intel for the
invasion of Iraq.
Read my sig if you don't believe me.
--
They Knew...
Despite the whitewash, we now know that the Bush administration was warned
before the war that its Iraq claims were weak
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
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