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"Black Elk" |
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06 Mar 2006 07:54:50 PM |
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Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law |
March 4 / 5, 2006
Time for a Special Prosecutor
Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN
The debate in Congress--and in the media--over the NSA surveillance program
has ranged over many specific subtopics, but in the end, it comes down to
one fundamental question:
Did the President break the law?
In this column, I will analyze this question--and argue that, indeed, he
did.
I will also argue that, accordingly, an independent special prosecutor must
be appointed to investigate and, if appropriate, prosecute those responsible
for the violation -- including the President and those who knowingly carried
out his orders in violation of the law. And the proper response, after that,
may well be impeachment.
The President's Duty is To Uphold the Law, Not Break It
The President is bound by his oath of office to "preserve, protect, and
defend" the Constitution of the United States, and to take care that the
laws are faithfully executed.
-snip-
http://www.counterpunch.com/vanbergen03042006.html
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The question of prewar intelligence has been thrust back into the public eye
with the disclosure of a secret British memo showing that, eight months
before the March 2003 start of the war, a senior British intelligence
official reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that U.S. intelligence was
being shaped to support a policy of invading Iraq.
Moreover, a close reading of the recent 600-page report by the president's
commission on intelligence, and the previous report by the Senate panel,
shows that as war approached, many U.S. intelligence analysts were
internally questioning almost every major piece of prewar intelligence about
Hussein's alleged weapons programs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474_pf.html
--
The fair use of a copyrighted work:
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.
For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
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| User: "Daniel Jackson" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law |
06 Mar 2006 08:12:54 PM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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March 4 / 5, 2006
Time for a Special Prosecutor
Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN
The debate in Congress--and in the media--over the NSA surveillance
program has ranged over many specific subtopics, but in the end, it comes
down to one fundamental question:
Did the President break the law?
In this column, I will analyze this question--and argue that, indeed, he
did.
I will also argue that, accordingly, an independent special prosecutor
must be appointed to investigate and, if appropriate, prosecute those
responsible for the violation -- including the President and those who
knowingly carried out his orders in violation of the law. And the proper
response, after that, may well be impeachment.
The President's Duty is To Uphold the Law, Not Break It
The President is bound by his oath of office to "preserve, protect, and
defend" the Constitution of the United States, and to take care that the
laws are faithfully executed.
-snip-
http://www.counterpunch.com/vanbergen03042006.html
--
The question of prewar intelligence has been thrust back into the public
eye with the disclosure of a secret British memo showing that, eight
months before the March 2003 start of the war, a senior British
intelligence official reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that U.S.
intelligence was being shaped to support a policy of invading Iraq.
Moreover, a close reading of the recent 600-page report by the president's
commission on intelligence, and the previous report by the Senate panel,
shows that as war approached, many U.S. intelligence analysts were
internally questioning almost every major piece of prewar intelligence
about Hussein's alleged weapons programs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474_pf.html
--
The fair use of a copyrighted work:
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in
receiving the included information for research and educational purposes.
For more information go to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
Enter the real world problem.A Special Prosecuter will know there are files
he/she, nor anyone else
can see.Explanations that cannot be given.
NSA has allowed prosecutions to fail because they would have to reveal
information.
The bottom line, is we, the regular public, will not be able to know
specifics for years
if ever at all.No operation will be able to be revealed for a special
prosecutor to examine.
No person can be proved to have "knowingly" done anything, since operations
cant be revealed,
and reporters know that.How do you prove Bush "knowingly" carried out any
illegal orders whatsoever,
by prosecutors that cannot have had (nor still have) a complete picture of
the operation and, therefore,
unable to perform their duties?
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law |
06 Mar 2006 08:19:15 PM |
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"Daniel Jackson" <Jackson_SG-1@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:0P6dnUgAe725cZHZRVn-pA@giganews.com...
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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March 4 / 5, 2006
Time for a Special Prosecutor
Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN
The debate in Congress--and in the media--over the NSA surveillance
program has ranged over many specific subtopics, but in the end, it comes
down to one fundamental question:
Did the President break the law?
In this column, I will analyze this question--and argue that, indeed, he
did.
I will also argue that, accordingly, an independent special prosecutor
must be appointed to investigate and, if appropriate, prosecute those
responsible for the violation -- including the President and those who
knowingly carried out his orders in violation of the law. And the proper
response, after that, may well be impeachment.
The President's Duty is To Uphold the Law, Not Break It
The President is bound by his oath of office to "preserve, protect, and
defend" the Constitution of the United States, and to take care that the
laws are faithfully executed.
-snip-
http://www.counterpunch.com/vanbergen03042006.html
--
The question of prewar intelligence has been thrust back into the public
eye with the disclosure of a secret British memo showing that, eight
months before the March 2003 start of the war, a senior British
intelligence official reported to Prime Minister Tony Blair that U.S.
intelligence was being shaped to support a policy of invading Iraq.
Moreover, a close reading of the recent 600-page report by the
president's commission on intelligence, and the previous report by the
Senate panel, shows that as war approached, many U.S. intelligence
analysts were internally questioning almost every major piece of prewar
intelligence about Hussein's alleged weapons programs.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/05/21/AR2005052100474_pf.html
--
The fair use of a copyrighted work:
In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is
distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest
in receiving the included information for research and educational
purposes. For more information go to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml.
Enter the real world problem.A Special Prosecuter will know there are
files he/she, nor anyone else
can see.Explanations that cannot be given.
NSA has allowed prosecutions to fail because they would have to reveal
information.
The bottom line, is we, the regular public, will not be able to know
specifics for years
if ever at all.No operation will be able to be revealed for a special
prosecutor to examine.
No person can be proved to have "knowingly" done anything, since
operations cant be revealed,
and reporters know that.How do you prove Bush "knowingly" carried out any
illegal orders whatsoever,
by prosecutors that cannot have had (nor still have) a complete picture of
the operation and, therefore,
unable to perform their duties?
They've learned from their masters.
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Doomed to defeat by the superior Allied forces, it was thought that the
forces of fascism had been routed and that the world was safe for democracy.
The irony is that the intelligence apparatus of the U.S. government saved
many of the most hardened Nazi war criminals from a certain execution in
order to recruit them as scientists, spies and guerrilla warriors in the
anticipated war with the Soviet Union. And this had dire effects on our
country's democracy.
Many Americans may not be aware of this wide spread recruitment of SS and
Gestapo alumni into our intelligence agencies but it has had a profound
effect on the shaping of our domestic and foreign policy, often with ruinous
consequences. The legacy of this incorporation of Nazis into the CIA and
U.S. military has been a half a century of support for fascist regimes,
juntas, death squads, torture and the overthrow of democratically elected
governments around the world.
http://archive.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=9099
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"People have so manipulated the concept of freedom, that it finally
boils down to the right of the stronger and richer to take from the weaker
and poorer whatever they have left."
Philosopher Theordor Adorno
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law |
06 Mar 2006 10:47:14 PM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3ccae$440ce7e3$4fee795$10479@DIALUPUSA.NET...
March 4 / 5, 2006
Time for a Special Prosecutor
Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN
The debate in Congress--and in the media--over the NSA surveillance
program has ranged over many specific subtopics, but in the end, it comes
down to one fundamental question:
Did the President break the law?
In this column, I will analyze this question--and argue that, indeed, he
did.
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An argument by a partisan columnist means squat.
End.
Jim E
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| User: "Republican Death Throes" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law |
07 Mar 2006 01:28:21 AM |
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"Jim E" <YD653157@sea.net> wrote in message
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:3ccae$440ce7e3$4fee795$10479@DIALUPUSA.NET...
March 4 / 5, 2006
Time for a Special Prosecutor
Bush's NSA Spying Program Violates the Law
By JENNIFER VAN BERGEN
The debate in Congress--and in the media--over the NSA surveillance
program has ranged over many specific subtopics, but in the end, it comes
down to one fundamental question:
Did the President break the law?
In this column, I will analyze this question--and argue that, indeed, he
did.
.
An argument by a partisan columnist means squat.
End.
Jim E
An argument from a Republican means *****, now.
34%, Bush's approval rating.
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