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"Harry Hope" |
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28 Dec 2005 10:30:20 PM |
| Object: |
Bush’s Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/28/guilty-terrorists/
Bush’s Secret Spying Program: Good News For Guilty Terrorists
At today’s press briefing,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051228.html White
House spokesman Trent Duffy was asked about a story in today’s New
York Times, which reported that Bush’s warrantless domestic spying
program could undermine key terrorism prosecutions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/politics/28legal.html
Q The New York Times reports today that there are several legal
challenges based on the NSA wiretaps. Are you concerned that these
challenges could jeopardize the cases against people you guys have
already described as very bad people?
MR. DUFFY: ...[W]e decline to comment on any pending cases, but I
don’t think it should serve as any surprise that defense attorneys are
looking at ways to represent their clients; that’s what defense
attorneys do.
Duffy’s right, criminal defense lawyers are looking for ways that
their clients can avoid conviction.
And Bush’s actions have given them an easy way to do it.
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act.
As a result, any information collected by the program is inadmissible
in court.
(This principle is called the exclusionary rule.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule
If that information is critical to the government’s case, a guilty
terrorist might be found not guilty.
What’s worse, if what the administration says is true, none of this
was necessary.
If all of the surveillance targeted people associated with al Qaeda,
as the administration claims, it would have been easily approved by
the FISA court.
That process would not have delayed the surveillance since a warrant
can be obtained up to 72 hours after the surveillance starts.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html
The Bush administration says the program is justified because it made
us safer.
The opposite appears to be true.
The program has made us less safe by needlessly complicating the
prosecution of terrorist suspects.
______________________________________________________
So you see, al Qaeda owes Georgie Bush a great big hug and kiss and a
great big bunch of gratitude. What would they do without Georgie Bush
to help 'em out.
Harry
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| User: "Tazmanian Devil" |
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| Title: Re: Bush's Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
28 Dec 2005 10:38:00 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jjp6r1h0i9c1t92bl0ejp59ed352bdevmq@4ax.com...
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/28/guilty-terrorists/
Bush's Secret Spying Program: Good News For Guilty Terrorists
At today's press briefing,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051228.html White
House spokesman Trent Duffy was asked about a story in today's New
York Times, which reported that Bush's warrantless domestic spying
program could undermine key terrorism prosecutions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/politics/28legal.html
Q The New York Times reports today that there are several legal
challenges based on the NSA wiretaps. Are you concerned that these
challenges could jeopardize the cases against people you guys have
already described as very bad people?
MR. DUFFY: ...[W]e decline to comment on any pending cases, but I
don't think it should serve as any surprise that defense attorneys are
looking at ways to represent their clients; that's what defense
attorneys do.
Duffy's right, criminal defense lawyers are looking for ways that
their clients can avoid conviction.
And Bush's actions have given them an easy way to do it.
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act.
As a result, any information collected by the program is inadmissible
in court.
(This principle is called the exclusionary rule.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule
If that information is critical to the government's case, a guilty
terrorist might be found not guilty.
What's worse, if what the administration says is true, none of this
was necessary.
If all of the surveillance targeted people associated with al Qaeda,
as the administration claims, it would have been easily approved by
the FISA court.
That process would not have delayed the surveillance since a warrant
can be obtained up to 72 hours after the surveillance starts.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html
The Bush administration says the program is justified because it made
us safer.
The opposite appears to be true.
The program has made us less safe by needlessly complicating the
prosecution of terrorist suspects.
______________________________________________________
So you see, al Qaeda owes Georgie Bush a great big hug and kiss and a
great big bunch of gratitude. What would they do without Georgie Bush
to help 'em out.
Harry
Just like Mark Furman's blowing of the OJ Case.
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| User: "Taylor" |
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| Title: Liberal who leaked Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
29 Dec 2005 11:34:28 AM |
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Can you say double standard?
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jjp6r1h0i9c1t92bl0ejp59ed352bdevmq@4ax.com...
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/28/guilty-terrorists/
Bush's Secret Spying Program: Good News For Guilty Terrorists
At today's press briefing,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051228.html White
House spokesman Trent Duffy was asked about a story in today's New
York Times, which reported that Bush's warrantless domestic spying
program could undermine key terrorism prosecutions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/politics/28legal.html
Q The New York Times reports today that there are several legal
challenges based on the NSA wiretaps. Are you concerned that these
challenges could jeopardize the cases against people you guys have
already described as very bad people?
MR. DUFFY: ...[W]e decline to comment on any pending cases, but I
don't think it should serve as any surprise that defense attorneys are
looking at ways to represent their clients; that's what defense
attorneys do.
Duffy's right, criminal defense lawyers are looking for ways that
their clients can avoid conviction.
And Bush's actions have given them an easy way to do it.
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act.
As a result, any information collected by the program is inadmissible
in court.
(This principle is called the exclusionary rule.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule
If that information is critical to the government's case, a guilty
terrorist might be found not guilty.
What's worse, if what the administration says is true, none of this
was necessary.
If all of the surveillance targeted people associated with al Qaeda,
as the administration claims, it would have been easily approved by
the FISA court.
That process would not have delayed the surveillance since a warrant
can be obtained up to 72 hours after the surveillance starts.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html
The Bush administration says the program is justified because it made
us safer.
The opposite appears to be true.
The program has made us less safe by needlessly complicating the
prosecution of terrorist suspects.
______________________________________________________
So you see, al Qaeda owes Georgie Bush a great big hug and kiss and a
great big bunch of gratitude. What would they do without Georgie Bush
to help 'em out.
Harry
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal who leaked Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
29 Dec 2005 11:48:42 AM |
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:jjp6r1h0i9c1t92bl0ejp59ed352bdevmq@4ax.com...
http://thinkprogress.org/2005/12/28/guilty-terrorists/
Bush's Secret Spying Program: Good News For Guilty Terrorists
At today's press briefing,
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051228.html White
House spokesman Trent Duffy was asked about a story in today's New
York Times, which reported that Bush's warrantless domestic spying
program could undermine key terrorism prosecutions:
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/28/politics/28legal.html
Q The New York Times reports today that there are several legal
challenges based on the NSA wiretaps. Are you concerned that these
challenges could jeopardize the cases against people you guys have
already described as very bad people?
MR. DUFFY: ...[W]e decline to comment on any pending cases, but I
don't think it should serve as any surprise that defense attorneys are
looking at ways to represent their clients; that's what defense
attorneys do.
Duffy's right, criminal defense lawyers are looking for ways that
their clients can avoid conviction.
And Bush's actions have given them an easy way to do it.
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act.
As a result, any information collected by the program is inadmissible
in court.
(This principle is called the exclusionary rule.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusionary_rule
If that information is critical to the government's case, a guilty
terrorist might be found not guilty.
What's worse, if what the administration says is true, none of this
was necessary.
If all of the surveillance targeted people associated with al Qaeda,
as the administration claims, it would have been easily approved by
the FISA court.
That process would not have delayed the surveillance since a warrant
can be obtained up to 72 hours after the surveillance starts.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/donors/solicit.php?http_referer=/uscode/html/uscode50/usc_sec_50_00001805----000-.html
The Bush administration says the program is justified because it made
us safer.
The opposite appears to be true.
The program has made us less safe by needlessly complicating the
prosecution of terrorist suspects.
______________________________________________________
So you see, al Qaeda owes Georgie Bush a great big hug and kiss and a
great big bunch of gratitude. What would they do without Georgie Bush
to help 'em out.
Harry
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal who leaked Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
29 Dec 2005 02:00:01 PM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
So much for another dim scandal of the week.
Another one bites the dust.
Jim E
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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29 Dec 2005 02:15:43 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
Simply a lie.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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29 Dec 2005 02:57:34 PM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
Simply a lie.
Check the polls loser.
Jim E
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:11:32 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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Check the polls loser.
YOU check it, liar.
It didn't address the issue of what Bush did - at all.
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Jim E" |
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30 Dec 2005 10:20:45 AM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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Check the polls loser.
YOU check it, liar.
It didn't address the issue of what Bush did - at all.
Not in the way you wanted it spun.
Too bad, it shows the public will.
Jim E
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| User: "robw" |
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29 Dec 2005 09:41:02 PM |
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How many polls?
One?
"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
Simply a lie.
Check the polls loser.
Jim E
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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02 Jan 2006 11:29:26 PM |
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Jim E wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
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Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
Simply a lie.
Check the polls loser.
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1053
Released: December 21, 2005
UTICA, New York - A narrow plurality of likely voters nationwide believe
President Bush acted within his Constitutional powers when he authorized
the interception of international communications without the approval of
a federal judge, but the public is closely divided on the issue, a new
Zogby Interactive poll shows.
Nearly half – 49% - said they think he has the power to authorize the
intercepts, while 45% said he does not, the survey showed.
The interactive survey of 1,929 likely voters nationwide, conducted Dec.
20-21, carries a margin of error of plus or minus 2.3 percentage points.
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Not even half!
RT
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:11:02 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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The people approve of his action.
No, they do not.
The Rasmussen poll didn't address warrantless wiretapping - at all.
Why do you lie so much, radical?
--
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Jim E" |
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30 Dec 2005 10:27:45 AM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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The people approve of his action.
No, they do not.
The Rasmussen poll didn't address warrantless wiretapping - at all.
Why do you lie so much, radical?
Again with the childish insults.
The poll addresses the issue.
The left want's to make warrants an issue for the usual venal reason of
political gain.
You have no interest in the country, except to control it.
Jim E
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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02 Jan 2006 11:27:33 PM |
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Jim E wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
So much for another dim scandal of the week.
Another one bites the dust.
Really? Tell it to SPecter, he wants to hold hearings...
RT
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| User: "gaffo" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal who leaked Secret Spying Program Is Good News For GuiltyTerrorists |
29 Dec 2005 10:59:45 PM |
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Jim E wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
irrelivant, dickweed.
we don't have mod-rule here, we have the Constitution.
the People can address reform by amending it - not subverting it.
dipshit.
So much for another dim scandal of the week.
Another one bites the dust.
Jim E
unamerican fool
--
"Citizens who have done nothing wrong will have nothing to fear from
warrentless searches."
--Adolf Hitler
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| User: "Jim E" |
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| Title: Re: Liberal who leaked Secret Spying Program Is Good News For Guilty Terrorists |
30 Dec 2005 10:22:44 AM |
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"gaffo" <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote in message
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Jim E wrote:
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
irrelivant, dickweed.
we don't have mod-rule here, we have the Constitution.
the People can address reform by amending it - not subverting it.
dipshit.
So much for another dim scandal of the week.
Another one bites the dust.
Jim E
unamerican fool
Explain that to the WWII Japanese internees.
Needs must.
The survivors write the history.
Jim E
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| User: "robw" |
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29 Dec 2005 09:40:36 PM |
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What people?
"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Taylor" <123@456.com> wrote in message
news:E6Vsf.14022$tO4.4410@tornado.texas.rr.com...
Can you say double standard?
Sure can. Bush thought he was immune from the laws that bound his
predecessors. Definitely a double standard. lol
The people approve of his action.
So much for another dim scandal of the week.
Another one bites the dust.
Jim E
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| User: "gaffo" |
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29 Dec 2005 10:57:13 PM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act.
As a result, any information collected by the program is inadmissible
in court.
clear as mud.
exactly what I said weeks ago when this ***** came out.
impeach now!
--
"Citizens who have done nothing wrong will have nothing to fear from
warrentless searches."
--Adolf Hitler
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| User: "Freckles Little Red" |
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29 Dec 2005 11:41:26 PM |
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"gaffo" <gaffo@usenet.net> wrote in message
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Harry Hope wrote:
The program violated federal criminal law -- the Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act. As a result, any information collected by the program
is inadmissible
in court.
clear as mud.
exactly what I said weeks ago when this ***** came out.
impeach now!
--
"Citizens who have done nothing wrong will have nothing to fear from
warrentless searches."
--Adolf Hitler & (G.W. Bush)
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